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(WDSU New Orleans)   Bad news : You and three others are injured in a helicopter crash. Good news : You're all rescued and transported to a hospital. Mixed news : By helicopter   (wdsu.com) divider line 58
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2013-10-09 05:32:08 PM  

Green Smoke: [homer.jpg]

Could have been worse.


First thing I thought of. Thanks for posting
 
2013-10-09 06:05:22 PM  

durbnpoisn: Look at it this way...  If you were JUST in a helicopter accident, the odds are pretty well in your favor that it won't happen again anytime soon.

Sort of like when the plane crashed into the house in The World According to Garp.  "We'll take it.  What are the odds that will ever happen again?!"


Well, strictly speaking the odds are exactly the same as they were preceding the first crash.
 
2013-10-10 02:24:37 AM  

hardinparamedic:  they'll typically keep their hands on the roof of the cabin.



Wrong


I just completed helicopter/water survival (it's called HUET, for the record), you are trained to find a point of reference (usually a seat or window corner) to maintain reference when you flip. You tuck your head onto your chest, grab the seat edges and tuck your feet together. Anything not folded in will be flung around. (Including hands on the ceiling). Here is a great list of videos showing the training. (I ususally do the blue octagon one in the indoor pool, but have done OPIDO open water survival in Norway.)

Finding the roof would help you find the roof under water and upside down. The point of reference is for finding the release point for the exit you are next to and your seat-belt. The sequence is also stressed: OPEN EXIT FIRST (whether it's pulling the seal from the window and pushing it out or unlatching the door from the hinges and letting it fall away) THEN release your restraint. You WILL be disoriented and your body WILL freak out from a) being upside down b) the water running up your nose and 3) the shock of the water.

/work offshore
//HUET is required training

 
2013-10-10 09:23:33 AM  

kendelrio: Wrong


Actually, no. No it's not. They'll maintain a point of contact during flight to maintain orientation. The whole point of being able to find the roof is to regain spatial orientation, not to find the exit. In the A-Stars we fly in, everything but the main windscreen is kick-outable. And the doors have orange plastic flaps securing the door release handles, which will separate the door from the airframe.

www.aso.comwww.whitetracks.co.uk

I'm sure it's different in areas where you live, and the environment you work in since you work in exclusively maritime conditions. We spend less than 2% of our time over water, and it's transiently, as in crossing a river.

/never took HUET.
//Don't plan on extended time over water, either.
 
2013-10-10 09:45:54 AM  

hardinparamedic: They'll maintain a point of contact during flight to maintain orientation.



So if you are on a 45 minute flight, you fly with your hand on the roof???

Spatial orientation is found by finding a fixed point and using it for reference during times of confusion.

While I have never heard of using the roof as a reference point, and have never been trained to do so, I can see using it shortly before/during a crash, but to fly with your hand on the roof just seems silly.
 
2013-10-10 09:48:36 AM  

kendelrio: So if you are on a 45 minute flight, you fly with your hand on the roof???

Spatial orientation is found by finding a fixed point and using it for reference during times of confusion.

While I have never heard of using the roof as a reference point, and have never been trained to do so, I can see using it shortly before/during a crash, but to fly with your hand on the roof just seems silly.


Why, I would  never violate the policies of my employer, no matter HOW silly they seem. (wink.)

That said, it sounds like the company you fly with has more OSHA/FAA mandated training. Our pilot's statement about crash positioning was "Well, chances are, if we hit the ground you're dead anyway."
 
2013-10-10 10:55:14 AM  
hardinparamedic:
Why, I would  never violate the policies of my employer, no matter HOW silly they seem. (wink.)

Duly noted.

That said, it sounds like the company you fly with has more OSHA/FAA mandated training. Our pilot's statement about crash positioning was "Well, chances are, if we hit the ground you're dead anyway."

It's not just my company. The oilfield in general has MANY rules and regulations regarding training, activities during flight etc. Inflatable life vests on ALL overwater flights, mandatory orientation of the type of helicopter you'll be flying on every time you fly, rules regarding entering, exiting, fueling, standing by on rigs you land on to refuel, smoking, electronics, where you place your head, feet, arms etc.

The training is some of the most expensive and comprehensive I've ever taken.

As far as landing on land goes, there isn't much you can do yo increase your survival odds. Water landings though, are definitely survivable if you are trained well and follow your training.

Yes, the helicopter WILL roll over, it's just a matter of when. Yes, you WILL be disoriented, but if you don't panic, you can make it out.

/recovered a helicopter from 3,000FSW once, not allowed to post pics.
// I can say the company that owned it was  pretty  helpfull with their  information services
 
2013-10-10 11:32:34 AM  
Did I stump fark? Or was it lack of interest?

Anyhoo, Google Michael Findlay.

/Oh and the link to pic, it is hot
 
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