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(WDSU New Orleans)   Bad news : You and three others are injured in a helicopter crash. Good news : You're all rescued and transported to a hospital. Mixed news : By helicopter   (wdsu.com) divider line 58
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2013-10-09 02:34:27 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-10-09 02:34:53 PM
Well if you get in a car accident, you will probably get transported to the hospital in a car. So what?
 
2013-10-09 02:35:12 PM
www.wdsu.com

That picture illustrates a good point that they teach you in survival training portions of Critical/Flight Care. That aircraft is going to flip over as soon as it hits the water.

That said, I never knew Acadian Ambulance had helicopters. Pretty cool.
 
2013-10-09 02:35:54 PM
I wish the ironic tag was more substantial so i could dsmack subby in the balls with it

/in this case balls is a gender neutral term
 
2013-10-09 02:36:21 PM
It be cool if those floaties kept it upright.
 
2013-10-09 02:38:42 PM

hardinparamedic: [www.wdsu.com image 450x253]

That picture illustrates a good point that they teach you in survival training portions of Critical/Flight Care. That aircraft is going to flip over as soon as it hits the water.

That said, I never knew Acadian Ambulance had helicopters. Pretty cool.


That picture illustrates a good point they teach you when thinking of flying helicopters for a living transporting workers to and from offshore oil rigs.... Sooner or later you're going to go down.

Although if all four people got out, it makes me think it didn't flip over initially.
 
2013-10-09 02:40:37 PM
I bet they were up in the air about that.
 
2013-10-09 02:42:53 PM
When you're injured on a ski slope, your rescuer will likely be on skis. Unless he has a snowmobile, and if that's the case, then be nice to him because he's a cool guy who gets chicks. Brian. Brian. That's his name. Yea, Brian. That cool snowmobiling dude. What were we talking about?
 
2013-10-09 02:46:03 PM

RoyBatty: That picture illustrates a good point they teach you when thinking of flying helicopters for a living transporting workers to and from offshore oil rigs.... Sooner or later you're going to go down.

Although if all four people got out, it makes me think it didn't flip over initially.


That looks like a 206. If it hit the water, it flipped almost immediately. The blades will shatter or fracture if they hit water at RPM. They're composite. Those frames have no buoyancy on their bellies, and all the weight is towards the top. Willing to bet that either someone pulled them out of the side of the craft, or the crewmembers were able to rescue themselves.

Aircrews are trained when they are flying over water to maintain one contact point in the aircraft to use as a reference, they'll typically keep their hands on the roof of the cabin. If that aircraft hits water and flips, especially cold water, you've lost all sense of balance and spatial relations.
 
GBB
2013-10-09 02:46:06 PM

edmo: It be cool if those floaties kept it upright.


graphics8.nytimes.com
 
2013-10-09 02:46:56 PM
I think the pontoons should be inflated before you hit the water.
 
2013-10-09 02:51:29 PM
Quite possibly the dumbest headline I've ever seen on Fark.  And that's saying a lot.
 
2013-10-09 02:53:53 PM

edmo: It be cool if those floaties kept it upright.


Yeah, they need to rework that caption just a tad.

Rent Party: Quite possibly the dumbest headline I've ever seen on Fark.  And that's saying a lot.


You need to pay more attention.
 
2013-10-09 02:54:14 PM
www.wdsu.com
"Inflatables keep a helicopter upright following a crash in the Gulf of Mexico"

No... no they don't
 
2013-10-09 02:54:44 PM

edmo: It be cool if those floaties kept it upright.


The caption for the photo says they are keeping it upright, so I guess it's one of those newfangled upside-down helicopters.
 
2013-10-09 02:56:05 PM
Well the other option was to have Green Lantern transport you there, and I don't see the movie studios financing that.
 
2013-10-09 02:57:57 PM

you are a puppet: Well the other option was to have Green Lantern transport you there, and I don't see the movie studios financing that.


That's because Iron Man is much better than the Green Lantern ever was. Plus HIS stuff works underwater.
 
2013-10-09 03:00:02 PM
And, NTSB investigators fly on a plane to the scene of plane crash.
 
2013-10-09 03:01:52 PM

hardinparamedic: RoyBatty: That picture illustrates a good point they teach you when thinking of flying helicopters for a living transporting workers to and from offshore oil rigs.... Sooner or later you're going to go down.

Although if all four people got out, it makes me think it didn't flip over initially.

That looks like a 206. If it hit the water, it flipped almost immediately. The blades will shatter or fracture if they hit water at RPM. They're composite. Those frames have no buoyancy on their bellies, and all the weight is towards the top. Willing to bet that either someone pulled them out of the side of the craft, or the crewmembers were able to rescue themselves.

Aircrews are trained when they are flying over water to maintain one contact point in the aircraft to use as a reference, they'll typically keep their hands on the roof of the cabin. If that aircraft hits water and flips, especially cold water, you've lost all sense of balance and spatial relations.


Okay, so then would you prefer a helicopter with floaties on the skids that keep it upside down and not sinking, or would you prefer a helicopter with a huge floatie above the cabin around the rotor mast that kept it upright but sunk?
 
2013-10-09 03:02:14 PM
When I'm in a helicopter crash, I demand my rescuers wear snow shoes while riding tauntauns.
 
2013-10-09 03:07:20 PM

RoyBatty: Okay, so then would you prefer a helicopter with floaties on the skids that keep it upside down and not sinking, or would you prefer a helicopter with a huge floatie above the cabin around the rotor mast that kept it upright but sunk?


Huh? What are you asking. I'm just pointing something out. We're not having an argument about helicopter design.

If you had a helicopter designed to land on water, of course you'd want floats on the skids. In this case, however, the helicopter was not designed to land on water.

aussiex.org  (gratuitous flight sim pic)

What you're seeing is a type of emergency float system which the pilot can deploy in the event of a water landing. (video in link) They're intended to keep the airframe from skinking, but don't provide enough balance or boyancy to keep it righted, especially after a hard landing or crash.
 
2013-10-09 03:16:16 PM

hardinparamedic: If you had a helicopter designed to land on water, of course you'd want floats on the skids. In this case, however, the helicopter was not designed to land on water.

[aussiex.org image 440x440]  (gratuitous flight sim pic)

What you're seeing is a type of emergency float system which the pilot can deploy in the event of a water landing. (video in link) They're intended to keep the airframe from skinking, but don't provide enough balance or boyancy to keep it righted, especially after a hard landing or crash.


"Water landing"? Or "crashing in the farking ocean"?

media.nj.com

// funniest man you've never heard of, Robert Schimmel (and many, many others) - RIP
// "you know what they tell you to do if you're in the ocean and a shark is bothering you- 'bothering'? Like he's going, 'Hey man, can I borrow 50 cents'? - anyway, you punch him in the nose. And when that doesn't work, poke him in the eye with your stump."
// and definitely give a listen to "If You Buy My CD, I Can Get This Car"
 
2013-10-09 03:17:27 PM

edmo: It be cool if those floaties kept it upright.


It'd be even cooler if it didn't go in the water.  Let the boats be in the water.
 
2013-10-09 03:17:57 PM

hardinparamedic: RoyBatty: Okay, so then would you prefer a helicopter with floaties on the skids that keep it upside down and not sinking, or would you prefer a helicopter with a huge floatie above the cabin around the rotor mast that kept it upright but sunk?

Huh? What are you asking. I'm just pointing something out. We're not having an argument about helicopter design.

If you had a helicopter designed to land on water, of course you'd want floats on the skids. In this case, however, the helicopter was not designed to land on water.

[aussiex.org image 440x440]  (gratuitous flight sim pic)

What you're seeing is a type of emergency float system which the pilot can deploy in the event of a water landing. (video in link) They're intended to keep the airframe from skinking, but don't provide enough balance or boyancy to keep it righted, especially after a hard landing or crash.



Oh, I'm not trying to argue. I'm thinking that as an okay but not great swimmer, and thinking back to "Top Gun", that I'd prefer a helicopter that was upright and underwater then a helicopter that was upside down.

But all in all, I do wonder why they don't put some sort of floatie on the mast enough to keep the helicopter on it's side instead of flipping entirely.
 
2013-10-09 03:22:59 PM

RoyBatty: hardinparamedic: RoyBatty: Okay, so then would you prefer a helicopter with floaties on the skids that keep it upside down and not sinking, or would you prefer a helicopter with a huge floatie above the cabin around the rotor mast that kept it upright but sunk?

Huh? What are you asking. I'm just pointing something out. We're not having an argument about helicopter design.

If you had a helicopter designed to land on water, of course you'd want floats on the skids. In this case, however, the helicopter was not designed to land on water.

[aussiex.org image 440x440]  (gratuitous flight sim pic)

What you're seeing is a type of emergency float system which the pilot can deploy in the event of a water landing. (video in link) They're intended to keep the airframe from skinking, but don't provide enough balance or boyancy to keep it righted, especially after a hard landing or crash.


Oh, I'm not trying to argue. I'm thinking that as an okay but not great swimmer, and thinking back to "Top Gun", that I'd prefer a helicopter that was upright and underwater then a helicopter that was upside down.

But all in all, I do wonder why they don't put some sort of floatie on the mast enough to keep the helicopter on it's side instead of flipping entirely.


The mast rotates, makes it tougher to do.
 
2013-10-09 03:23:53 PM

RoyBatty: But all in all, I do wonder why they don't put some sort of floatie on the mast enough to keep the helicopter on it's side instead of flipping entirely.


Because all of the spinny stuff has to be in balance or very bad things happen.
 
2013-10-09 03:24:46 PM

Dr Dreidel: "Water landing"? Or "crashing in the farking ocean"?


I argued that point with my instructor on one of my Critical Care tests because I chose "politically correct name for a crash" for the answer to "What is a Hard Landing?"

:)

RoyBatty: But all in all, I do wonder why they don't put some sort of floatie on the mast enough to keep the helicopter on it's side instead of flipping entirely.


One of the problems is weight. More weight you put on the frame to mount a flotational skid system is less weight you can carry on the frame in passengers. The other problem is that a helicopter with a floating skid system can't land on solid ground or on a helipad anymore. So if the helicopter is not meant to land in water, you create a big problem there.

Water landings are very risky, as well. There's a reason the coast guard doesn't use airframes that can do them anymore.

As for why not mount a float system on the upper part of the frame or near the collective, the issue is if you did that, it'd still flip anyway. The cabin is full of buoyant air. The issue is not a lack of flotation, it's that you have hundreds of pounds of fuel and a turbojet high on the frame.
 
2013-10-09 03:27:03 PM
www.dvddrive-in.com

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/obscure?
 
2013-10-09 03:27:29 PM

Old_Chief_Scott: RoyBatty: But all in all, I do wonder why they don't put some sort of floatie on the mast enough to keep the helicopter on it's side instead of flipping entirely.

Because all of the spinny stuff has to be in balance or very bad things happen.


So no engineer could come up with say a rotor equivalent because of it's spinny stuff. Good thing steering wheels don't need to spin. Oh wait.
 
2013-10-09 03:32:18 PM
s22.postimg.org
 
2013-10-09 03:32:50 PM
Look at it this way...  If you were JUST in a helicopter accident, the odds are pretty well in your favor that it won't happen again anytime soon.

Sort of like when the plane crashed into the house in The World According to Garp.  "We'll take it.  What are the odds that will ever happen again?!"
 
2013-10-09 03:33:02 PM
(I'm sorry  Old_Chief_Scott  and hardinparamedic but in a discussion of floatation devices, Inflatable_Rhetoric has to be assumed the thread authority.)

Inflatable Rhetoric: RoyBatty: hardinparamedic: RoyBatty: Okay, so then would you prefer a helicopter with floaties on the skids that keep it upside down and not sinking, or would you prefer a helicopter with a huge floatie above the cabin around the rotor mast that kept it upright but sunk?

Huh? What are you asking. I'm just pointing something out. We're not having an argument about helicopter design.

If you had a helicopter designed to land on water, of course you'd want floats on the skids. In this case, however, the helicopter was not designed to land on water.

[aussiex.org image 440x440]  (gratuitous flight sim pic)

What you're seeing is a type of emergency float system which the pilot can deploy in the event of a water landing. (video in link) They're intended to keep the airframe from skinking, but don't provide enough balance or boyancy to keep it righted, especially after a hard landing or crash.


Oh, I'm not trying to argue. I'm thinking that as an okay but not great swimmer, and thinking back to "Top Gun", that I'd prefer a helicopter that was upright and underwater then a helicopter that was upside down.

But all in all, I do wonder why they don't put some sort of floatie on the mast enough to keep the helicopter on it's side instead of flipping entirely.

The mast rotates, makes it tougher to do.


Yeah, but there's still the roof of the chopper itself, if not around the mast. (Also, the Kiowa and Apache demonstrate how much shiat can be mounted on the rotor mast -- I've long wondered how out of balance those masts can get before the chopper disintegrates.)

I suspect as hardinparamedic suggests it's a weight issue, but still If I were flying over the water often, I'd much rather crawl out of a chopper lying on its side than one upside down in the drink.
 
2013-10-09 03:34:21 PM

sandbar67: [www.wdsu.com image 450x253]
"Inflatables keep a helicopter upright following a crash in the Gulf of Mexico"

No... no they don't


Clearly the photo was taken from  UNDER the water. Right? RIGHT?
 
2013-10-09 03:36:01 PM

James10952001: Well if you get in a car accident, you will probably get transported to the hospital in a car. So what?


Over in two.
 
2013-10-09 03:36:38 PM

James10952001: Well if you get in a car accident, you will probably get transported to the hospital in a car. So what?


That was my first thought too.
 
2013-10-09 03:39:36 PM

Lord_Dubu: So no engineer could come up with say a rotor equivalent because of it's spinny stuff. Good thing steering wheels don't need to spin. Oh wait.


The main rotor of a 206 Jetranger rotates at 394RPM at minimum flight throttle, and the tail rotor spins nearly 3,000 RPM. Constantly.

How many RPM does a steering wheel constantly make?
 
2013-10-09 03:39:37 PM

Lord_Dubu: Old_Chief_Scott: RoyBatty: But all in all, I do wonder why they don't put some sort of floatie on the mast enough to keep the helicopter on it's side instead of flipping entirely.

Because all of the spinny stuff has to be in balance or very bad things happen.

So no engineer could come up with say a rotor equivalent because of it's spinny stuff. Good thing steering wheels don't need to spin. Oh wait.


The masts rotate a lot faster than a steering wheel, 330 rpm for a Huey.  Makes no sense to compare the two.

Floats on the skids is the only reasonable approach.  If the skids hit the water first, you have a good chance of the aircraft floating.  If some other part hits the water first, it doesn't make much difference where the flotation things are located.
 
2013-10-09 03:42:13 PM
Where did they bury the survivors?
 
2013-10-09 03:42:27 PM

Lord_Dubu: Old_Chief_Scott: RoyBatty: But all in all, I do wonder why they don't put some sort of floatie on the mast enough to keep the helicopter on it's side instead of flipping entirely.

Because all of the spinny stuff has to be in balance or very bad things happen.

So no engineer could come up with say a rotor equivalent because of it's spinny stuff. Good thing steering wheels don't need to spin. Oh wait.


When you balance a rotor system, you put very small weights in the rotor blades.

Very.

Small.

Weights.

We are talking grams of weight. No engineer in his right mind would stick a flotation system on a rotor system because there is no good reason to do so. Mounting things to the mast, as in RoyBatty's example of the Apache, has a very good reason so the expense is undertaken.
 
2013-10-09 03:46:04 PM
hardinparamedic:  I never knew Acadian Ambulance had helicopters. Pretty cool.

They sure do.  I know an Acadian helicopter pilot named Thibodeaux. One day while flying in from offshore about lunchtime, Thibodeaux decided he had time to land at home to get a bite to eat. When he landed, his buddy Boudreaux saw him from across the road and came running over. Boudreaux says, "Mais you know, Thibodeaux, if you give me a few tips, I bet I can fly dat helicopter." So Thibodeaux, being the good friend he is, gave Boudreaux some quick tips. Boudreaux gets in, starts the helicopter up, pulls the stick up, and the chopper shoots straight up, higher and higher, finally going through the clouds and out of sight. A couple of minutes later, the chopper comes straight back down just as fast as it had gone up, crashing to the ground. Thibodeaux runs over to the now demolished chopper, and asks Boudreaux as he is crawling out of the wreckage, "Boudreaux, what happened ?" Boudreaux replies, "Mais, Thibodeaux, I was doin' jus' fine, but I was getting pretty high up der. And de higher I got, de colder it was getting. So I turned off dat big fan on top!"
 
2013-10-09 03:47:05 PM

MBooda: hardinparamedic:  I never knew Acadian Ambulance had helicopters. Pretty cool.

They sure do.  I know an Acadian helicopter pilot named Thibodeaux. One day while flying in from offshore about lunchtime, Thibodeaux decided he had time to land at home to get a bite to eat. When he landed, his buddy Boudreaux saw him from across the road and came running over. Boudreaux says, "Mais you know, Thibodeaux, if you give me a few tips, I bet I can fly dat helicopter." So Thibodeaux, being the good friend he is, gave Boudreaux some quick tips. Boudreaux gets in, starts the helicopter up, pulls the stick up, and the chopper shoots straight up, higher and higher, finally going through the clouds and out of sight. A couple of minutes later, the chopper comes straight back down just as fast as it had gone up, crashing to the ground. Thibodeaux runs over to the now demolished chopper, and asks Boudreaux as he is crawling out of the wreckage, "Boudreaux, what happened ?" Boudreaux replies, "Mais, Thibodeaux, I was doin' jus' fine, but I was getting pretty high up der. And de higher I got, de colder it was getting. So I turned off dat big fan on top!"


*Slow clap.*
 
2013-10-09 03:49:03 PM

hardinparamedic: They're intended to keep the airframe from skinking, but don't provide enough balance or boyancy to keep it righted, especially after a hard landing or crash.


They're *supposed* to (at least some designs) keep shiat upright long enough to get out. If it's not a nice landing on relatively calm water, I wouldn't count on it, but it can happen:
i.imgur.com
 
2013-10-09 03:51:57 PM

Lord_Dubu: Good thing steering wheels don't need to spin. Oh wait.

snarkerati.com
 
2013-10-09 03:54:46 PM

costermonger: Lord_Dubu: Good thing steering wheels don't need to spin. Oh wait.
[snarkerati.com image 499x306]


I've never seen or heard about a steering wheel with flotation, anyway.
 
2013-10-09 04:23:43 PM

GaperKiller: edmo: It be cool if those floaties kept it upright.

The caption for the photo says they are keeping it upright, so I guess it's one of those newfangled upside-down helicopters.



It really depends on your definition of 'up'

fc05.deviantart.net
 
2013-10-09 04:26:57 PM
If I get in a car crash and an Ambulance takes me to the hospital, is it ironic?
 
2013-10-09 04:34:05 PM

James10952001: Well if you get in a car accident, you will probably get transported to the hospital in a car. So what?


Exactly. Subby is a bad person and should feel bad. A good throatpunch would probably teach him a lesson, too.
 
2013-10-09 04:39:28 PM
He turned into a zombie, Francis. He wasn't going to land the thing.
 
2013-10-09 05:07:34 PM
Maybe it was this team?
shinetwork.com
 
2013-10-09 05:28:20 PM
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Could have been worse.
 
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