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2013-10-09 11:35:17 AM
She's not even attacking the whole of hip-hop, just saying that she doesn't agree with the focus on material possessions that come up on some songs by some hip-hop artists. That's not the same as racism. Lots of hip-hop artists have complained about that exact same thing, and conspicuous consumption has been a target of popular culture plenty of times.

There's plenty of legitimate racism out there. Don't cheapen it by squinting until you can misinterpret it into some element of popular culture. It's a disservice to victims of real racism.
 
2013-10-09 11:41:19 AM
Typical CNN "here are both sides of the argument, we're just asking non-vital but provocative questions to stir up shiat" piece.

Damn, that hook is thick. I haven't been able to get it out of my head all morning.
 
2013-10-09 11:46:54 AM
we're just asking non-vital but provocative questions to stir up shiat

I should say just reasking already answered non-vital but provocative questions to stir up shiat because our core audience of oldies hasn't heard of this yet and this will be new to them.
 
2013-10-09 12:02:24 PM

Langston: She's not even attacking the whole of hip-hop, just saying that she doesn't agree with the focus on material possessions that come up on some songs by some hip-hop artists. That's not the same as racism. Lots of hip-hop artists have complained about that exact same thing, and conspicuous consumption has been a target of popular culture plenty of times.

There's plenty of legitimate racism out there. Don't cheapen it by squinting until you can misinterpret it into some element of popular culture. It's a disservice to victims of real racism.


Well said.
 
2013-10-09 12:05:55 PM
24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-10-09 12:08:15 PM
 
2013-10-09 12:09:39 PM
She's attacking the songs that have dominated the top 40 for the past ten years.  It's not racist when that's the music she's grown up with.
 
2013-10-09 12:11:25 PM
My girlfriend dragged me to her concert in Seattle a couple weeks ago. I had no idea who she was (and someone "forgot" to mention that she was 16). Anyway, this chick is incredible live. She might be the next BFD.

As for Veronica Bayetti Flores, your blog sucks but you are cordially invited to lick the salt off my yambag.
 
2013-10-09 12:17:58 PM

LewDux: [24.media.tumblr.com image 500x343]


That's pretty damn funny.   I like her all the more for it.  Good post.
 
2013-10-09 12:20:55 PM
Nasty rumours are doing the rounds that Lorde is not her given name and that she's somehow connected with Major Labe. I hope it's not true, my microwave oven still reeks of burned Born To Die - The Paradise Edition vinyl
 
2013-10-09 12:22:07 PM
"'While I love a good critique of wealth accumulation and inequity, this song is not one; in fact, it is deeply racist,' wrote Bayetti Flores. 'Because we all know who she's thinking when we're talking gold teeth, Cristal (champagne) and Maybachs. So why s*** on black folks? Why s*** on rappers?'"

I think it's more racist to assume that all black rappers are in the "gold teeth and Cristal" set.
 
2013-10-09 12:22:29 PM
In other news, people who make it their business to see racism everywhere will see racism everywhere.
 
2013-10-09 12:22:36 PM
I can't see anything racist about it.  It's an OK song.
 
2013-10-09 12:23:04 PM
I just know I like the song whenever it pops up on shuffle. I had no clue it was at attack on rap or whatever.
 
2013-10-09 12:24:35 PM

LewDux: Nasty rumours are doing the rounds that Lorde is not her given name and that she's somehow connected with Major Labe. I hope it's not true, my microwave oven still reeks of burned Born To Die - The Paradise Edition vinyl


go listen to "A world alone" then go listen to rihanna's song "Stay" tell me what you think
 
2013-10-09 12:28:02 PM

Snapper Carr: "'While I love a good critique of wealth accumulation and inequity, this song is not one; in fact, it is deeply racist,' wrote Bayetti Flores. 'Because we all know who she's thinking when we're talking gold teeth, Cristal (champagne) and Maybachs. So why s*** on black folks? Why s*** on rappers?'"

I think it's more racist to assume that all black rappers are in the "gold teeth and Cristal" set.


Honestly the only rappers I've seen in theast few eyes with gold teeth are white dudes. Paul Mall, Bubba Sparks, Riff Raff, etc...
 
2013-10-09 12:28:45 PM
No, this isn't.

It's a nice song.

That's a hard 16 though.
 
2013-10-09 12:30:48 PM

Black_Lazerus: LewDux: Nasty rumours are doing the rounds that Lorde is not her given name and that she's somehow connected with Major Labe. I hope it's not true, my microwave oven still reeks of burned Born To Die - The Paradise Edition vinyl

go listen to "A world alone" then go listen to rihanna's song "Stay" tell me what you think


A rapper with a made up name? Surely you jest?
 
2013-10-09 12:33:33 PM
What a bizarre farking world where a "feminist blogger" can cause such controversy over a pop song.
 
2013-10-09 12:34:25 PM

meat0918: No, this isn't.

It's a nice song.

That's a hard 16 though.



I'd like to give her a hard 4 1/2.
 
2013-10-09 12:37:49 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Snapper Carr: "'While I love a good critique of wealth accumulation and inequity, this song is not one; in fact, it is deeply racist,' wrote Bayetti Flores. 'Because we all know who she's thinking when we're talking gold teeth, Cristal (champagne) and Maybachs. So why s*** on black folks? Why s*** on rappers?'"

I think it's more racist to assume that all black rappers are in the "gold teeth and Cristal" set.

Honestly the only rappers I've seen in theast few eyes with gold teeth are white dudes. Paul Mall, Bubba Sparks, Riff Raff, etc...


When I hear the song I think of the Karadashian's, Hiltons, bling rappers and the mindless rejects that gobble up all that media.
I hear Lorde saying we don't care because it means nothing.
 
2013-10-09 12:45:43 PM
It's not a good song, but it's not racist. Whatever happened to Dizzy Rascal? That dude had serious potential.
 
2013-10-09 12:47:59 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: What a bizarre farking world where a "feminist blogger" can cause such controversy over a pop song.


Once the accusation of racism is levied, it can't be ignored, no matter how stupid it is, or how insignificant the accuser is. It's like the Konami code of attention whoring.
 
2013-10-09 12:50:02 PM
Song - We can't afford the material items that major musical artists discuss in their songs and most likely never will but we still try to have a good time.

Veronica Bayetti Flores - Racist.

Me - *facepalm*
 
2013-10-09 12:51:06 PM
It's racist?
What's wrong with being sexy?
 
2013-10-09 12:53:33 PM

Pinner: It's racist?
What's wrong with being sexy?

blogs.miaminewtimes.com
 
2013-10-09 12:56:03 PM

give me doughnuts: I'd like to give her a hard 4 1/2.


i44.photobucket.com
 
2013-10-09 12:58:11 PM
She is a 16 year old feminist, which is funny all by itself. I imagine in couple of years she will also announce that she is a lesbian
 
2013-10-09 01:02:13 PM
I never listened to the lyrics, I just thought it was a pleasant little song.  So much for paying attention.
 
2013-10-09 01:06:48 PM

Richard Flaccid: give me doughnuts: I'd like to give her a hard 4 1/2.

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According to Wikipedia:

It is an offence in New Zealand to have a sexual connection with a person under the age of 16. It is a defence if due diligence had been undertaken by the defendant to ascertain the victim's age, had reasonable grounds to believe the victim was aged 16 or over and consent was given. Further it is an offence for a person to have a sexual connection with a person under the age of 18 if the defendant is in a guardianship role (parent, stepparent, foster parent, guardian, uncle, aunt or other members of extended family, whanau or other power or authority or responsibility for care or upbringing).

FYI-The sexual abuse of boys of any age, including rape, by adult women was fully legal in New Zealand until around 2007. This is despite New Zealand having been party to international conventions against the exploitation of children since the 1980s. In 2003, swimming instructor Stacey Margaret Friel, 21, was reported to have had sex with a 13-year-old boy but faced no charges at the time due to the lack of laws against sexual abuse of boys by women. Since the loophole in the laws was closed there have been a number of cases of women being prosecuted for sexual abuse of young boys, including most recently a women who gave birth to the child of an 11 year old boy whom she had allegedly raped
 
2013-10-09 01:08:50 PM
Dear American Critic,

The rest of the world doesn't view everything thing through the spectrum of a prism breaking everything down into colors.
 
2013-10-09 01:10:24 PM
Certainly Not News.
 
2013-10-09 01:11:33 PM
CNN's coverage of racial issues are always cringe-inducing.  They really have the most incredibly stupid/lazy writers in this area.
 
2013-10-09 01:19:06 PM
Don't they know that sociopathy is the new racism?
 
2013-10-09 01:22:19 PM
Thrift Shop and Royale show us that rap isn't just MONEY CASH HOES.
 
2013-10-09 01:24:00 PM

eddievercetti: Thrift Shop and Royale show us that rap isn't just MONEY CASH HOES.


What Royals/Royale has to do with rap/hip-hop?
 
2013-10-09 01:24:53 PM
Also, one of the best songs on Breaking Bad was the most unironic pure materialist cheese ever cut, and yet the hooks were so damn good.

http://youtu.be/3r5byXcQMGg
 
2013-10-09 01:26:08 PM
www.collegeenvy.com

/oblig
 
2013-10-09 01:26:23 PM
Bloodstains, troll posts, farting in the bathtub
I don't care...
I'm trolling Total Fark in my dreams.
 
2013-10-09 01:32:29 PM

Pinner: Bloodstains, troll posts, farting in the bathtub
I don't care...
I'm trolling Total Fark in my dreams.


But every thread's like
Shutdown, Scar Jo, kiddos on an airplane
We don't care
We're not tipping going anywhere
 
2013-10-09 01:34:27 PM

UrukHaiGuyz: Pinner: Bloodstains, troll posts, farting in the bathtub
I don't care...
I'm trolling Total Fark in my dreams.

But every thread's like
Shutdown, Scar Jo, kiddos on an airplane
We don't care
We're not tipping going anywhere


When I was fifteen, sixteen, when I really started to post on message boards, I definitely wanted to become a troll. It was almost impossible, because the dream was so big. I didn't see any chance because I was living in shiatville, I was studying. And when finally I broke away from school and became a troll, I thought, "well, now I may have a little bit of a chance," because all I really wanted to do was troll. And not only insult, but annoy. At the time, in shiatville, in '05, they had already interwebs. So I would take my computer, go to the boards, and view about 50, 60 topics. I think I had about 12-13 posts. I would partially sleep in my chair because I didn't want to leave, and I lived for almost a year on hot pockets my mother brought me. In the beginning, I wanted to do a series of generic troll posts that pretty much anyone else could come up with. And I said, "wait a second. I've seen this post hundreds of times before in some variation or another, why don't I use it?" And I didn't have any idea what to do so I used my computer as a toilet for my thoughts. I knew I was onto something, but I didn't know what the impact would be.
 
2013-10-09 01:34:49 PM
I think it is more of a critique on the fetishization of accumulation rather than attacking a group of people.
 
2013-10-09 01:37:07 PM
upload.wikimedia.org

Didn't know these guys were black. Or are we saying that New Zealanders are racist against Canadians now, or some shiat? I can't tell anymore.
 
2013-10-09 01:39:10 PM

Troy McClure: She's attacking the songs that have dominated the top 40 for the past ten years.  It's not racist when that's the music she's grown up with.


Bingo. The article makes a fuss about the fact that she's referencing hip hop songs specifically. Of course she is - she's 16. She and her friends grew up listening to hip hop; her song is about the disconnect between the music they like and their real lives. End of story.

The whole album is full of great hooks. I don't think there's been a new artist with such a distinctive voice in mainstream pop music in years.
 
2013-10-09 01:39:39 PM

LewDux: UrukHaiGuyz: Pinner: Bloodstains, troll posts, farting in the bathtub
I don't care...
I'm trolling Total Fark in my dreams.

But every thread's like
Shutdown, Scar Jo, kiddos on an airplane
We don't care
We're not tipping going anywhere

When I was fifteen, sixteen, when I really started to post on message boards, I definitely wanted to become a troll. It was almost impossible, because the dream was so big. I didn't see any chance because I was living in shiatville, I was studying. And when finally I broke away from school and became a troll, I thought, "well, now I may have a little bit of a chance," because all I really wanted to do was troll. And not only insult, but annoy. At the time, in shiatville, in '05, they had already interwebs. So I would take my computer, go to the boards, and view about 50, 60 topics. I think I had about 12-13 posts. I would partially sleep in my chair because I didn't want to leave, and I lived for almost a year on hot pockets my mother brought me. In the beginning, I wanted to do a series of generic troll posts that pretty much anyone else could come up with. And I said, "wait a second. I've seen this post hundreds of times before in some variation or another, why don't I use it?" And I didn't have any idea what to do so I used my computer as a toilet for my thoughts. I knew I was onto something, but I didn't know what the impact would be.


I have an old computer sitting around just to poop and pee on.
 
2013-10-09 01:39:50 PM

This... is CNN?

Obscure Login: Song - We can't afford the material items that major musical artists discuss in their songs and most likely never will but we still try to have a good time.

Veronica Bayetti Flores - Racist.

Me - *facepalm*


And we're done. I find it amusing that the author claiming racism equated "anti-materialism" to "anti-African-Americanism", because by doing so she, herself, unconsciously demonstrated her bias, that "only blah folks want Kristal and bling, and since she's against Kristal and bling, well, she's against blah people."

Friggin' moron.
 
2013-10-09 01:40:48 PM

hooligan sidekick: Troy McClure: She's attacking the songs that have dominated the top 40 for the past ten years.  It's not racist when that's the music she's grown up with.

Bingo. The article makes a fuss about the fact that she's referencing hip hop songs specifically. Of course she is - she's 16. She and her friends grew up listening to hip hop; her song is about the disconnect between the music they like and their real lives. End of story.

The whole album is full of great hooks. I don't think there's been a new artist with such a distinctive voice in mainstream pop music in years.


Can't argue there, on either count. Listening to "Bravado" right now.
 
2013-10-09 01:41:41 PM
Cristal*

Can't even spell right today, apparently...
 
2013-10-09 01:43:40 PM
She'll be the next Amy Winehouse.
 
2013-10-09 01:50:52 PM

Pinner: I have an old computer sitting around just to poop and pee on.


Oh gross! That's just disgusting.

/use public library computers for that kind of thing
 
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