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(WTOP)   World's seventh richest woman gets in car accident in Virginia, damaging her Porsche SUV. She killed some plebe, too, but let's try to stay focused on what's important, okay?   (wtop.com) divider line 95
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2013-10-09 11:01:27 AM

Barbecue Bob: Whar seats belts? WHAR?

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They don't have seatbelts, but they have the metal supporting bar of the seat in front of you, right about mouth height, so that's better than nothing.
 
2013-10-09 11:03:13 AM
I don't think you can argue that the dead lady's negligence contributed to the accident, so Mars is gonna lose that lawsuit. But financially, you could argue that the lack of seatbelt contributed to some percentage of the injuries, and if the hospital and funeral home are trying to get their money from the insurance companies, the old lady could be held liable for part of the payments. If she were the rich one, and Mars had no money, the victim could be liable for ALL of their claim, under joint and severable liability. That also might reduce the amount of the wrongful death claim award to the victim's family. But it's not a case of contributory negligence that could lead to the suit being tossed.
 
2013-10-09 11:04:06 AM

what_now: Walker: If you think she'll serve even one minute of jail time I've got a bridge to sell you...and it's made of chocolate.

It doesn't sound ...from that description at least... that she's done anything that would require jail time. If she was drunk or speeding or reckless, yes, but it sounds like it was an accident.

It probably wouldn't have been a tragic accident if the idiot had worn her seatbelt.


Crossed the center line, head on collision, killed a person. At the very least it's involuntary manslaughter.
I'd like to live in your world, where you can kill someone and not get in any trouble. Must be a cool place.
 
2013-10-09 11:04:53 AM
what_now:  It probably wouldn't have been a tragic accident if the idiot had worn her seatbelt.

If the victim had been wearing a seatbelt, she might have survived.  Too many variables in play, so it's impossible to say for sure.

If the murderer had stayed in her lane of travel, there would have been no accident.  The likelihood of this scenario approaches 100%.

/as does the likelihood that I've been trolololed
 
2013-10-09 11:10:38 AM
I wonder if being the world's 7th richest woman is like being the world's 7th tallest midget.
 
2013-10-09 11:10:57 AM

Walker: what_now: Walker: If you think she'll serve even one minute of jail time I've got a bridge to sell you...and it's made of chocolate.

It doesn't sound ...from that description at least... that she's done anything that would require jail time. If she was drunk or speeding or reckless, yes, but it sounds like it was an accident.

It probably wouldn't have been a tragic accident if the idiot had worn her seatbelt.

Crossed the center line, head on collision, killed a person. At the very least it's involuntary manslaughter.
I'd like to live in your world, where you can kill someone and not get in any trouble. Must be a cool place.


Unless she can prove the car's steering linkage broke or something. My guess is she nodded off in an Xanax-Scotch haze.She probably won't get hard time, though; expensive lawyers tend to be worth the money.
 
2013-10-09 11:11:32 AM

Walker: If you think she'll serve even one minute of jail time I've got a bridge to sell you...and it's made of chocolate.


Please tell us why anyone would serve jail time in this case, aside from your hatred of anyone who isn't broke.
 
2013-10-09 11:13:12 AM
Huh.  This is the closest town to me.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aldie,_VA
 
2013-10-09 11:15:42 AM

topcon: Walker: If you think she'll serve even one minute of jail time I've got a bridge to sell you...and it's made of chocolate.

Please tell us why anyone would serve jail time in this case, aside from your hatred of anyone who isn't broke.


Uh, vehicular homicide? You're supposed to keep your car under control. If it's "just an accident," that's one thing, but if she was the teensiest bit drunk or high or texting, that's manslaughter.
 
2013-10-09 11:15:57 AM

kronicfeld: enry: Dunno, I'd say if you want to forego wearing a seatbelt you should agree not to use public funds for your medical bills nor be sued for any reason in the event of an accident.

Yeah, it's the lack of a seatbelt's fault that the other driver was negligent. Good call.


No, but if she'd been wearing her seat belt, she'd have survived the head-on crash IN A FARKING 25MPH ZONE.
 
2013-10-09 11:17:35 AM

Rhino_man: kronicfeld: enry: Dunno, I'd say if you want to forego wearing a seatbelt you should agree not to use public funds for your medical bills nor be sued for any reason in the event of an accident.

Yeah, it's the lack of a seatbelt's fault that the other driver was negligent. Good call.

No, but if she'd been wearing her seat belt, she'd have survived the head-on crash IN A FARKING 25MPH ZONE.


I'm sure the woman in the Porsche was going 25 mph.
 
2013-10-09 11:20:41 AM

kronicfeld: enry: I didn't say the other driver couldn't be criminally charged, just that the injuries would have been far less had the seatbelt been used properly.

Since we don't know what her injuries were, we don't know that the seatbelt would have helped. I've seen elderly/infirm/brittle people severely injured in collisions that don't look particularly "catastrophic" on their face.


She wasn't wearing a seatbelt.  That should really be the end of the discussion.  I'm not trying to sound all Ron Paul and say 'let her die since she didn't have insurance', but I'm getting a bit tired of people ignoring safety devices that have been proven time and time again to save lives and reduce injuries (motorcyle helmets too) because they think it crimps their style.  Every car in the past 30-ish years have had shoulder belts, and even cars back in the 60s had at least lap belts.  No excuse.
 
2013-10-09 11:21:24 AM

Walker: Rhino_man: kronicfeld: enry: Dunno, I'd say if you want to forego wearing a seatbelt you should agree not to use public funds for your medical bills nor be sued for any reason in the event of an accident.

Yeah, it's the lack of a seatbelt's fault that the other driver was negligent. Good call.

No, but if she'd been wearing her seat belt, she'd have survived the head-on crash IN A FARKING 25MPH ZONE.

I'm sure the woman in the Porsche was going 25 mph.


It's a 2-lane road in Aldie.  There's no choice.  9 times out of 10, you're stuck behind a farmer bringing produce or horses to Middleburg.

Trust me, man.  Loudoun County ain't like the rest of NoVA.
 
2013-10-09 11:21:52 AM

Walker: Rhino_man: kronicfeld: enry: Dunno, I'd say if you want to forego wearing a seatbelt you should agree not to use public funds for your medical bills nor be sued for any reason in the event of an accident.

Yeah, it's the lack of a seatbelt's fault that the other driver was negligent. Good call.

No, but if she'd been wearing her seat belt, she'd have survived the head-on crash IN A FARKING 25MPH ZONE.

I'm sure the woman in the Porsche was going 25 mph.



It was a Porsche Cayenne SUV being driven by an elderly woman.  Just because it has a Porsche badge on it, doesn't mean that it is automatically going to be driven everywhere at light speed.  The place I work is surrounded by a few affluent "old money" neighborhoods and there are lots of Porsches and Aston Martins dawdling along at five under the speed limit.
 
2013-10-09 11:23:27 AM

kronicfeld: enry: Dunno, I'd say if you want to forego wearing a seatbelt you should agree not to use public funds for your medical bills nor be sued for any reason in the event of an accident.

Yeah, it's the lack of a seatbelt's fault that the other driver was negligent. Good call.


That is an example of the same logic that blames the gun manufacturer or car manufacturer for damages done by a user of one of their products.
 
2013-10-09 11:24:11 AM

akya: I wonder if being the world's 7th richest woman is like being the world's 7th tallest midget.


She's be the 1st richest woman if it wasn't for the patriarchy keeping her down.
 
2013-10-09 11:36:39 AM
She wasn't wearing her seatbelt, so really it's the poors fault again, as usual.
 
2013-10-09 11:37:11 AM

Beeblebrox: Was this her?

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Came to thread for Sue Ellen Mischke, leaving appointed.
 
2013-10-09 11:39:56 AM
Virginia is a Contributory Negligence state - so it doesn't have to be 100% one person's fault.
It is very common for insurance companies to accept liability for some of the injuries in a no seatbelt situation, but not pay the full amount. So, pay what would be the expected injuries to someone seatbelted in - in this case it can probably be proven by the injuries suffered by the other passengers in the van who were strapped in.
An 86 year old woman - or anyone for that matter - could easily be killed by a simple fall, let alone a vehicle accident.
Now, none of this will stop the family from suing the Mars lady.

/Don't drive until your back seat passengers are strapped in. If nothing else, they could fly forward and hit you in the head in a severe accident.
 
2013-10-09 11:46:13 AM

justtray: She wasn't wearing her seatbelt, so really it's the poors fault again, as usual.


She probat sold the buckle to a scrapyard to afford more coconut rum, as the poors often do
 
2013-10-09 11:48:59 AM
 One would hope that she would spend the rest of her life in jail like anyone else, but we all know that given her wealth she'll likely get an apology from the court for any inconvenience this may have caused her.
 
2013-10-09 11:59:15 AM
Mars should pull a Helen Brach.
 
2013-10-09 12:19:11 PM

HypnozombieX: One would hope that she would spend the rest of her life in jail like anyone else, but we all know that given her wealth she'll likely get an apology from the court for any inconvenience this may have caused her.


Yeah, because as we all know, all the poor people involved in traffic accidents get thrown in the gulag for life.
 
2013-10-09 12:21:16 PM

kronicfeld: enry: Dunno, I'd say if you want to forego wearing a seatbelt you should agree not to use public funds for your medical bills nor be sued for any reason in the event of an accident.

Yeah, it's the lack of a seatbelt's fault that the other driver was negligent. Good call.


Not at all, but it could have turned an accident that caused an injury, into an accident that caused a death.  it doesn't make the guilty party any more or less guilty based on whether a seat belt was being worn, but it could have easily contributed to the severity of the crash.
 
2013-10-09 12:27:08 PM

tommyl66: Possibly because it opens up a pretty large gray area as far as assumptions on what "could" have happened


That's what investigators and experts are for. If we only worked on what we could prove beyond every conceivable doubt we wouldn't even need crime scene investigators.

It seems silly that we go to the trouble of deciding what percentage of fault to assign to each participant for causing the accident but don't bother to go the extra step to determine who's responsible for what percent of the damage beyond that. Why should a person who made a minor mistake be held responsible for major consequences because of the actions of the victim?
 
2013-10-09 12:32:34 PM
FTFA:

A Mars spokesman says the tragedy has left Mars "filled with sorrow for the loss of life"

I always thought they were filled with nougat and caramel... maybe this is a new flavor?
 
2013-10-09 12:33:50 PM

AGremlin: Beeblebrox: Was this her?

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Came to thread for Sue Ellen Mischke, leaving appointed.


Same here. Although I am sad it took a while and with so little love.

Seems like farkers have a stick up their butt lately.

/fark, you used to be fun!
 
2013-10-09 12:38:42 PM

Walker: If you think she'll serve even one minute of jail time I've got a bridge to sell you...and it's made of chocolate.


I doubt she will, unless investigation shows alcohol.

She is looking at a significant wrongful death suit, though.
 
2013-10-09 01:01:32 PM

kronicfeld: 1Both Sides Are Bad So Vote Defendant


That's your farky now.
 
2013-10-09 01:04:49 PM

Walker: Crossed the center line, head on collision, killed a person. At the very least it's involuntary manslaughter.


Yes, but she's rich and can afford lots of very good laywers to go up against a junior assistant DA fresh out of law school with no trial experience, so it's nothing.
 
2013-10-09 01:09:05 PM
accidents happen
let's fast fwd to the end of the hearing/court case etc

-there was a crash that the rich chick is responsible for

-she isn't responsible for the death of someone who didn't wear the safety gear required by state law
 
2013-10-09 01:09:09 PM
"Not going anywhere for a while?" .... because YOU'RE IN A DETOX PROGRAM??
 
2013-10-09 01:14:00 PM
Aldie is a nice little town. In that area o Virginia, the grass and trees aren't just green; they are money green.
 
2013-10-09 01:42:46 PM
Subby needs a Snickers.
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2013-10-09 01:44:44 PM
McGrits: Same here. Although I am sad it took a while and with so little love.

Seems like farkers have a stick up their butt lately.

/fark, you used to be fun!


Agreed.

It's should be "Real News. Real Funny."  The threads are becoming less entertaining than the comments section of  The Economist.

Been around since nearly the beginning; lurked for years.
 
2013-10-09 02:11:56 PM

Another Government Employee: I doubt she will, unless investigation shows alcohol.


Investigation? You must have missed the part where she was described as "the world's seventh richest woman."
 
2013-10-09 02:18:30 PM
Man sent to Pluto, woman is from Mars
 
2013-10-09 02:32:22 PM
If I ever have a net worth of over...oh say...20 million dollars...I'm hiring a car and driver or taking taxis.  I'd never drive anywhere again.

/doesn't matter that the old lady wasn't wearing a seatbelt.
//surprised (and disappoined) at the number of farkers who think it does.
///hope you never get called for jury duty
 
2013-10-09 02:45:47 PM

relaxitsjustme: If I ever have a net worth of over...oh say...20 million dollars...I'm hiring a car and driver or taking taxis.  I'd never drive anywhere again.

/doesn't matter that the old lady wasn't wearing a seatbelt.
//surprised (and disappoined) at the number of farkers who think it does.
///hope you never get called for jury duty


In a legal sense, I dunno.  I'd need the law explained to me by the lawyers on both sides.  As for cause-and-effect, I can tell you that she'd be alive today if either of the following were true:
1)  She wasn't in a car accident.
2)  She was wearing a seat belt.
 
2013-10-09 03:28:20 PM

Land Ark: Virginia is a Contributory Negligence state - so it doesn't have to be 100% one person's fault.
It is very common for insurance companies to accept liability for some of the injuries in a no seatbelt situation, but not pay the full amount. So, pay what would be the expected injuries to someone seatbelted in - in this case it can probably be proven by the injuries suffered by the other passengers in the van who were strapped in.
An 86 year old woman - or anyone for that matter - could easily be killed by a simple fall, let alone a vehicle accident.
Now, none of this will stop the family from suing the Mars lady.

/Don't drive until your back seat passengers are strapped in. If nothing else, they could fly forward and hit you in the head in a severe accident.


The Land Ark lives.
 
2013-10-09 05:28:02 PM

Rhino_man: Walker: Rhino_man: kronicfeld: enry: Dunno, I'd say if you want to forego wearing a seatbelt you should agree not to use public funds for your medical bills nor be sued for any reason in the event of an accident.

Yeah, it's the lack of a seatbelt's fault that the other driver was negligent. Good call.

No, but if she'd been wearing her seat belt, she'd have survived the head-on crash IN A FARKING 25MPH ZONE.

I'm sure the woman in the Porsche was going 25 mph.

It's a 2-lane road in Aldie.  There's no choice.  9 times out of 10, you're stuck behind a farmer bringing produce or horses to Middleburg.

Trust me, man.  Loudoun County ain't like the rest of NoVA.


Yeah, even the plebes in horse country are rich.
 
2013-10-09 06:06:54 PM
To commemorate this accident, they will start a new candy called "Crash!". It would be milky white on the outside, and when you bite into it, it will be crunchy and gooey. Just like a real vehicular accident.
 
2013-10-09 08:26:31 PM

FrancoFile: Rhino_man: Walker: Rhino_man: kronicfeld: enry: Dunno, I'd say if you want to forego wearing a seatbelt you should agree not to use public funds for your medical bills nor be sued for any reason in the event of an accident.

Yeah, it's the lack of a seatbelt's fault that the other driver was negligent. Good call.

No, but if she'd been wearing her seat belt, she'd have survived the head-on crash IN A FARKING 25MPH ZONE.

I'm sure the woman in the Porsche was going 25 mph.

It's a 2-lane road in Aldie.  There's no choice.  9 times out of 10, you're stuck behind a farmer bringing produce or horses to Middleburg.

Trust me, man.  Loudoun County ain't like the rest of NoVA.

Yeah, even the plebes in horse country are rich.


For example.

*raises hand*

Rich has a different meaning out here, though. I'm in "don't have to worry about bills" territory, but not by much... and that takes more money than most families bring in.
 
2013-10-09 08:30:19 PM
2) She was wearing a seat belt.

Wrong. Assumption of facts not in evidence.
 
2013-10-09 09:09:49 PM

relaxitsjustme: 2) She was wearing a seat belt.

Wrong. Assumption of facts not in evidence.


10AM on Route 50 in Aldie means that neither of the vehicles was travelling faster than 40mph.  It's a 25mph zone and you don't have room to speed even if you want to.  The odds of surviving a head-on collision at 40mph or below are extremely high for people wearing seat belts.

I don't know the roads in Hawaii, so I wouldn't make such assumptions about a crash there.  I *DO* know the road in question (it's the ONLY road that goes through Aldie, for the record).  Trust me, if you're wearing a seat belt, your odds of dying on that road are next to none.
 
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