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(io9)   "A major cause of the great Library of Alexandria's ruin was government budget cuts." You hear that Boehner, you destroyed Alexandria's library, you bastard   (io9.com) divider line 157
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2013-10-09 09:36:12 AM
I can't believe Boehner and the teahadist refuse to put soldiers in the nation's libraries to protect our knowledge.
 
2013-10-09 09:49:21 AM
One cannot compare ancient government structure to what we have today

Our society is extremely different from what was back then
 
2013-10-09 09:54:50 AM

Lucky LaRue: I can't believe Boehner and the teahadist refuse to put soldiers in the nation's libraries to protect our knowledge.


I can't believe they didn't set fire to it.
 
2013-10-09 10:31:39 AM
He probably ENJOYED burning all those papyrii.
 
2013-10-09 10:42:41 AM
I'm pretty sure the biggest cause of the destruction of the library at Alexandria was religious extremists hating all that "knowledge" and "education" that was happening.

See the death of Hypatia for more fun early-christian antics.
 
2013-10-09 11:20:18 AM
Hmmmm, while I have not finished it, I would recommend this book: The Rise and Fall of Alexandria: The birthplace of the Modern World.  By Justin Pollard

Discusses the city's beginnings and endings with all the little tidbits in between.  As I'm still in the middle of it, I can't tell you what his theory is on the destruction of the library.   But he does mention how the various ruling factions treated the library over time.
 
2013-10-09 11:27:13 AM
THANKS OBONER!
 
2013-10-09 11:27:28 AM
Troy was destroyed by Boehner too
 
2013-10-09 11:27:28 AM

cman: Our society is extremely different from what was back then


Yeah, we shave more.
 
2013-10-09 11:27:53 AM
Uh... did the budget cuts include the "Keeping Religious Zealots from Burning the F*ck Out of Everything Fund"?

i09... where brain cells go to die.
 
2013-10-09 11:28:31 AM
Have you been to library lately? It's nothing but Obama voters renting free dvd's for they chillens
 
2013-10-09 11:30:24 AM
duckman.pettho.com

The information still exists.
 
2013-10-09 11:31:52 AM
I think that if worse came to worst that we could probably reform a new country out of the ashes of this one.
 
2013-10-09 11:32:03 AM
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-10-09 11:33:01 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Have you been to library lately? It's nothing but Obama voters renting free dvd's for they chillens


That and homeless dudes masturbating.

Also kids playing facebook and games on the computer.

Far less books than there used to be.
 
2013-10-09 11:33:28 AM

ferretman: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 371x453]


2/10, your Obama was lacking horns.
 
2013-10-09 11:34:08 AM

ChrisDe: ferretman: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 371x453]

2/10, your Obama was lacking horns.


Ooh, and with that skinny neck, could put some gold rings around it.
 
2013-10-09 11:34:20 AM
What could the library possibly have contained that's not either obsolete, arcane, or expanded greatly
upon today?
 
2013-10-09 11:34:41 AM
The last scientist who worked in the Library was a mathematician, astronomer, physicist and the head of the Neoplatonic school of philosophy -- an extraordinary range of accomplishments for any individual in any age. Her name was Hypatia. She was born in Alexandria in 370. At a time when women had few options and were treated as property, Hypatia moved freely and unselfconsciously through traditional male domains. By all accounts she was a great beauty. She had many suitors but rejected all offers of marriage. The Alexandria of Hypatia's time -- by then long under Roman rule -- was a city under grave strain. Slavery had sapped classical civilization of its vitality. The growing Christian Church was consolidating its power and attempting to eradicate pagan influence and culture. Hypatia stood at the epicenter of these mighty social forces. Cyril, the Archbishop of Alexandria, despised her because of her close friendship with the Roman governor, and because she was a symbol of learning and science, which were largely identified by the early Church with paganism In great personal danger, she continued to teach and publish, until, in the year 415, on her way to work she was set upon by a fanatical mob of Cyril's parishioners. They dragged her from her chariot, tore off her clothes, and armed with abalone shells, flayed her flesh from her bones. Her remains were burned, her works obliterated, her name forgotten. Cyril was made a saint.- Carl Sagan, Cosmos
 
2013-10-09 11:38:39 AM
Somewhere Dick Cheney, in full imperial regalia, is whispering in Barry's ear "Your winning. Your winning. Your winning."
 
2013-10-09 11:38:47 AM
I still have a book from there that I haven't returned.
 
2013-10-09 11:38:56 AM
unlikely:
I'm pretty sure the biggest cause of the destruction of the library at Alexandria was religious extremists hating all that "knowledge" and "education" that was happening.

Well, you may be "sure," but you'd also be "wrong."

"Much of its downfall was gradual, often bureaucratic, and by comparison to our cultural imaginings, somewhat petty."

Nowhere in the original paper does the blame fall on "budget cuts." That's just a hack IO9 writer's way to try and make up something else to help the current fight in Washington.
 
2013-10-09 11:42:13 AM
I think we should just keep printing money and raising the debt ceiling.   It has no effect on anything.   The US can print and spend as much money as it wants and it has no downside.     We are printing 85 bilion a month to prop up the US BOND market, so print an extra 25 billion a month and give us all a gift of paying off our mortgages.    And maybe free electric for every house.

imageshack.us
 
2013-10-09 11:42:17 AM

You hear that Boehner, you destroyed Alexandria's library, you bastard


Is the one in Fairfax okay?
 
2013-10-09 11:42:20 AM

WhoopAssWayne: Somewhere Dick Cheney, in full imperial regalia, is whispering in Barry's ear "Your winning. Your winning. Your winning."


His ears are big like those satellite dishes eggheads use to spy on angels
 
2013-10-09 11:43:10 AM
theinfosphere.org
 
2013-10-09 11:43:33 AM

cman: One cannot compare ancient government structure to what we have today

Our society is extremely different from what was back then


even so, its bushes fault.
 
2013-10-09 11:43:36 AM

netcentric: I think we should just keep printing money and raising the debt ceiling.   It has no effect on anything.   The US can print and spend as much money as it wants and it has no downside.     We are printing 85 bilion a month to prop up the US BOND market, so print an extra 25 billion a month and give us all a gift of paying off our mortgages.    And maybe free electric for every house.

[imageshack.us image 348x620]


What is politically expedient is not always what is moral and right.
 
2013-10-09 11:43:37 AM
Odumbo is just as much at fault libtard
 
2013-10-09 11:44:22 AM

HAMMERTOE: What could the library possibly have contained that's not either obsolete, arcane, or expanded greatly
upon today?


Alien agenda.
 
2013-10-09 11:44:29 AM

HAMMERTOE: What could the library possibly have contained that's not either obsolete, arcane, or expanded greatly
upon today?


Lost histories of the ancient world
 
GBB
2013-10-09 11:47:23 AM
Can the President declare war on Congress?
 
2013-10-09 11:48:10 AM

netcentric: I think we should just keep printing money and raising the debt ceiling.   It has no effect on anything.   The US can print and spend as much money as it wants and it has no downside.     We are printing 85 bilion a month to prop up the US BOND market, so print an extra 25 billion a month and give us all a gift of paying off our mortgages.    And maybe free electric for every house.

[imageshack.us image 348x620]


http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/debtlimit.asp

I hate edited speeches.
 
2013-10-09 11:49:27 AM
Nobody knows within a thousand years when the library met its end, as the article makes clear.  (Eg, maybe Caesar really did destroy it, and it was partially rebuilt after that.)  Pretty much all articles based on what happened in ancient times are a waste because we don't really know what happened.  Also,

Obedient to the Caliph's orders, [Amrou] set about his task of destruction. The books were distributed to the public baths of Alexandria, where they were used to feed the stoves which kept the baths so comfortably warm. Ibn al-Kifti writes that 'the number of baths was well known, but I have forgotten it' (we have Eutychius's word that there were in fact four thousand). 'They say', continues Ibn al-Kifti, 'that it took six months to burn all that mass of material.'

Hmm, so maybe it wasn't mere shadow of a library by then?

Nowhere in the original paper does the blame fall on "budget cuts." That's just a hack IO9 writer's way to try and make up something else to help the current fight in Washington.

This, this, and this again.
 
2013-10-09 11:49:28 AM
Tea party only needs one book, The Constitution and the Bible.  Tea party only needs to read the first three words of the Constitution "It was the best of times ..."

/Tea party doesn't need your liberal biased facts about so called errors in the above
 
2013-10-09 11:49:41 AM

GBB: Can the President declare war on Congress?


A president? Yes. Our president? No. Our president can't even get a budget passed.
 
2013-10-09 11:50:36 AM
I heard it was Pillaged by Stone Rain and Choking Sands after falling in to a Sinkhole.
 
2013-10-09 11:51:32 AM
Um, I'm going with the whole mounds of dry paper angle. Also, there's no real way to tell if the Great Library existed in the first place. Don't get me wrong; it's a great story; but, it's like every other wonder of the ancient world, besides the pyramids of course, we can't really be 100% sure that they really existed. I mean, come on; we're going on writings from almost 2 millennia ago. It might not have been "The Great Library at Alexandria"; it could have very easily been "The Great Whore House of Alexandria".
 
2013-10-09 11:53:52 AM

HAMMERTOE: What could the library possibly have contained that's not either obsolete, arcane, or expanded greatly
upon today?


That's the point.....we will never truely know what was lost. They say knowledge is power.
 
2013-10-09 11:54:29 AM

HAMMERTOE: What could the library possibly have contained that's not either obsolete, arcane, or expanded greatly upon today?


If you've watched any Day The Universe Changed episodes (and omg you totally should), you'll get the weirdest impression that a large succession of cultures have appropriated knowledge from the ones that came before. The Europeans stole from the Arabs who stole from the Romans who cribbed off the Greeks, and there's something hinky about the Roman/Arab thing. I seem to think it goes both directions but at a gap of a thousand years or something bizarre... ANYHOW, almost every time, the successor culture only took a fraction of the former culture's knowledge. There are vast tracts of knowledge that we got a big head-start in because of a footnote in a book that referenced another book that no longer exists.

Yeah, maybe we wouldn't learn anything particularly *new* but it's fascinating to discover how sophisticated and modern-thinking the intelligentsia was in cultures wayyy older than ours.
 
2013-10-09 11:55:35 AM

netcentric: I think we should just keep printing money and raising the debt ceiling.   It has no effect on anything.   The US can print and spend as much money as it wants and it has no downside.     We are printing 85 bilion a month to prop up the US BOND market, so print an extra 25 billion a month and give us all a gift of paying off our mortgages.    And maybe free electric for every house.


Trollin, they hating, but they'll never catch me trolling dirty, never catch me trolling dirty, never catch me...
 
2013-10-09 11:56:31 AM
Here's your Tea Jihadi Suicide Caucus.
Please vote appropriately!

AL: 5 - Brooks
AR: 1, 2 - Crawford , Griffin
AZ: 4, 5, 6, 8 - Gosar, Salmon, Schweikert, Franks
CA: 1, 4, 8 - LaMalfa, McClintock, Cook
CO: 5 - Lamborn

FLA: 3, 6, 8, 12 - Yoho, DeSantis, Posey, Billirakis
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 ta-da.
 
2013-10-09 11:56:55 AM

HAMMERTOE: What could the library possibly have contained that's not either obsolete, arcane, or expanded greatly upon today?


History.  And by that I mean no serious historian takes seriously an account written by someone that says something along the lines of, "In the year X, Person Y did Z."  Usually because it wasn't year X, Person Y is a jackass and never did Z at all.

So a lot of research is extrapolation from evidence, and a lot of THAT can amount to what works were translated into what language by whom, and where.  For example, say the great scholar Dragonchildus from the ancient nation of Farkstia visited Alexandria and, having helped himself to the wealth of knowledge there, came up with an early innovation on Troll Theory, and this would explain why Trollism became prominent in Farkstia.  Problem is that the only surviving texts he left behind in Farkstia were applications of Troll Theory; the research was all left behind in Alexandria (because why the heck would you haul your research notes across the countryside in the days before FedEx).  Except when Alexandria fell, that destroyed everything Dragonchildus may have used to come up with Troll Theory AND all his research, and possibly even all evidence he visited the library at all, and that any works within the library were translated to Farkstian.  All that is gone, so historians today have no way of piecing together the puzzle.  Some asshat in Farkstia may have taken credit for Troll Theory, and this would get debunked by some scholar who finds written evidence that it existed prior to the asshat's birth, but beyond that they can't trace anything, and can't even determine the emergence of Troll Theory in Farkstia to within a century.  If the Library of Alexandria was preserved, by looking at the actual texts Dragonchildus read and wrote, historians could determine with much greater clarity the background behind a key piece of Farkstia history.

Now multiply that by a gajillion times and you have a LOT of loose ends.
 
2013-10-09 11:57:26 AM
Time to watch Rachel Weisz strutting around in a stola Agora again.
 
2013-10-09 11:58:22 AM
So Boeher and his magical Time machine are at it again?
 
2013-10-09 11:58:41 AM

uncleacid: I still have a book from there that I haven't returned.


Nice! I bet it was a good read.
 
2013-10-09 12:02:27 PM

SpankMeJohnny: Yet another Fark headline that puts the blame entirely on the Republicans.  The reality is that Obama is a complete failure as a leader.  True leaders work with all parties and achieve resolution.  All Mr. 37% knows how to do is campaign and blame others.  Worst president evar.

Fark - land of the far left.   Always has been, always will be.


Nice hate speech, late for your Clan Meeting?

*plonk*
 
2013-10-09 12:04:48 PM

SpankMeJohnny: Yet another Fark headline that puts the blame entirely on the Republicans.  The reality is that Obama is a complete failure as a leader.  True leaders work with all parties and achieve resolution.  All Mr. 37% knows how to do is campaign and blame others.  Worst president evar.

Fark - land of the far left.   Always has been, always will be.


If you mean sensible, intelligent, educated people, yes, I hope so.
 
2013-10-09 12:05:10 PM

SpankMeJohnny: Yet another Fark headline that puts the blame entirely on the Republicans.  The reality is that Obama is a complete failure as a leader.  True leaders work with all parties and achieve resolution.  All Mr. 37% knows how to do is campaign and blame others.  Worst president evar.

Fark - land of the far left.   Always has been, always will be.


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2013-10-09 12:05:28 PM

HAMMERTOE: What could the library possibly have contained that's not either obsolete, arcane, or expanded greatly
upon today?


Probably nothing, but had that information remained in tact and available as it was, than the information therein could have become obsolete or greatly expanded upon much earlier and allowing us to be much further ahead as a society than we are now.  If we recovered what was lost there today it would not be a huge value for advancing thought and technology.  Think of it like this:  Not having second gear on a ten speed bike doesn't matter much once you hit fifth gear, but it would have helped get you to fifth gear with a lot less effort.
 
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