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(Cato Institute)   US hoverounding rate now higher than US unemployment rate, thanks to red-state disability fraud going through the roof   (cato.org) divider line 107
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2013-10-09 10:39:42 AM
Alive and well in blue states also.
//just sayin
 
2013-10-09 10:39:55 AM
 
2013-10-09 10:40:33 AM
Okay, so the program is out of whack and needs to be adjusted. Fine, let's get to it.

But, I suppose because this is Cato they're going to advocate to remove ALL DISABILITY PAYMENTS FOREVER.
 
2013-10-09 10:41:45 AM
The states are paying firms to get people off state welfare and onto federal disability. The federal government does not have counsel present in these hearings.
 
2013-10-09 10:42:53 AM
wonkette.com
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www.idiotsholdingsigns.com
kellitheisen.weebly.com
www.thelostogle.com
 
2013-10-09 10:43:13 AM
"The abuse and overspending in government disability programs is so bad that even NPR and 60 Minutes have taken notice. "


Translation:

"They're confirming my biases!  Oh golly golly golly they're confirming my biases!  I can barely contain how much joy other people's work has done in just confirming what I've always mindlessly assumed!"


The truth is more complex if you actually listen to the NPR story on the subject.
 
2013-10-09 10:43:53 AM
Did the CATO institute hire a 12 year old to put that crap together??

Don't get me wrong, I am certain that we need to look at programs like SSDI to make sure that we cut down on all fraud, but there are several uncited references to statistics, a few out of left field assumptions (including a politicians uneducated guess being used as context for the scope of the "problem" - also despite being unable confirm there is even really a problem) and finally a chart with two data lines on it that are actually not directly correlated.

I mean, shiat guys, I would actually believe that scamming is rampant in SSDI. I'm more than HAPPY to believe it - but when you put forth garbage like that I just have to roll my eyes and go "next". You can't really expect people to take you seriously if your entire argument is "Derp Derp Derp Potato."

/Well, but people I suppose I mean non-GOP politicians.
//They're not really people anyway, right?
 
2013-10-09 10:43:59 AM
There is undoubted fraud in the system.

There are also lots of people who  could be doing  something, but, when you have 250 decently qualified applicants for a desk job, you'll take the 28-year-old marathon runner who can also move some boxes around over the 61-year-old who gets dizzy spells and occasionally needs crutches.  Every. Single. Time. Human nature.
 
2013-10-09 10:45:21 AM
If you want there to be less fraud in government healthcare, you need to hire more fraud investigators, actively and truly punish those guilty of fraud, and stop hiring the lowest bidder.  You typically get what you pay for.
 
2013-10-09 10:46:46 AM
Those why cry fraud the hardest typically commit it more often.
 
2013-10-09 10:47:29 AM

TwistedFark: Did the CATO institute hire a 12 year old to put that crap together??


yes, a libertarian.
 
2013-10-09 10:47:38 AM
So if we're getting them through fraud, does that mean we can now call them Obamarounds?
 
2013-10-09 10:47:57 AM
If these people had health insurance this wouldn't be a problem.

The ransom letter signers, broken down by state and district:

AL: 5
AR: 1, 2
AZ: 4, 5, 6, 8
CA: 1, 4, 8
CO: 5

FLA: 3, 6, 12, 8
GA: 1, 9, 10, 11
IA: 4
ID: 1
IL: 13, 14, 18

IN: 4, 2, 3, 6
KS: 1, 4
KY: 4, 6
LA: 1, 4, 6
OH: 1, 2, 4

OK: 1
MS: 4
MN: 6
MI: 1, 2, 3, 7, 8
MT: 1

MO: 6, 8
NC: 11, 5, 6, 3, 13
NM: 2
PA: 12, 14, 10, 4
SC: 2, 3, 5

TN: 1, 2, 3, 6
TX: 27, 19, 11, 4, 1, 36, 14, 6, 17, 14,
UT: 1
WI: 5
WY: 1

 Ta-da.
 
2013-10-09 10:48:31 AM
So now there's such a thing as welfare fraud.  It's fun when fark catches up with the real world.
 
2013-10-09 10:49:01 AM

DarnoKonrad: "The abuse and overspending in government disability programs is so bad that even NPR and 60 Minutes have taken notice. "


Translation:

"They're confirming my biases!  Oh golly golly golly they're confirming my biases!  I can barely contain how much joy other people's work has done in just confirming what I've always mindlessly assumed!"


The truth is more complex if you actually listen to the NPR story on the subject.


See, that's the difference.  I don't trust Fox News when they say things I happen to believe are true, but tea-types will instantly accept any source as long as its saying what they believe.

NPR is consistently fact based, even if they buy into the stupid "balance" principle.  Here's an actual academic expert highlighting a recent trend, and here's an asshole from the CATO institute with talking points to argue against him/her.
 
2013-10-09 10:51:34 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-10-09 10:52:07 AM
Old white scared ignorant people don't want health insurance.
I say we oblige them.
 
2013-10-09 10:52:24 AM
And still no one gives a fark about billions of fraud, waste and unaccounted for billions in high dollar defense contracting in Iraq and Afghanistan.
 
2013-10-09 10:53:04 AM

ikanreed: DarnoKonrad: "The abuse and overspending in government disability programs is so bad that even NPR and 60 Minutes have taken notice. "


Translation:

"They're confirming my biases!  Oh golly golly golly they're confirming my biases!  I can barely contain how much joy other people's work has done in just confirming what I've always mindlessly assumed!"


The truth is more complex if you actually listen to the NPR story on the subject.

See, that's the difference.  I don't trust Fox News when they say things I happen to believe are true, but tea-types will instantly accept any source as long as its saying what they believe.

NPR is consistently fact based, even if they buy into the stupid "balance" principle.  Here's an actual academic expert highlighting a recent trend, and here's an asshole from the CATO institute with talking points to argue against him/her.



Or to put it another way, CATO starts with assumptions and looks for evidence to support their philosophy, rather than the other way around.  Doesn't matter if it's politics or religion, this is what causes most human misery.
 
2013-10-09 10:53:18 AM

InmanRoshi: And still no one gives a fark about billions of fraud, waste and unaccounted for billions in high dollar defense contracting in Iraq and Afghanistan.


Well you tell me, how am I supposed to care about two things at the same time?
 
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2013-10-09 10:56:09 AM
BREAKING NEWS
Fat people are lazy.
 
2013-10-09 10:56:15 AM

DarnoKonrad: TwistedFark: Did the CATO institute hire a 12 year old to put that crap together??

yes, a libertarian.


That's a pretty good accounting of the toolbags at CATO hire. Of course, you have the occasional 14-year-old disaffected teenagers too. They're not all 12-year-olds.

TwistedFark: /Well, but people I suppose I mean non-GOP politicians.


Well, the Republican politicians all have the mentality of teenagers, so they fit right in.
 
2013-10-09 10:56:34 AM
A recent article over at Media Matters has shown that 60 Minutes, much like the way the helped promote "Satanic Panic" over the dangers of playing "Dungeons & Dragons" in the 80's, that 60 Minutes and CBS is totally full of sh*t.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/10/07/60-minutes-report-denounced-f o r-disability-misi/196317
 
2013-10-09 10:58:37 AM

DarnoKonrad: "The abuse and overspending in government disability programs is so bad that even NPR and 60 Minutes have taken notice. "


Translation:

"They're confirming my biases!  Oh golly golly golly they're confirming my biases!  I can barely contain how much joy other people's work has done in just confirming what I've always mindlessly assumed!"


The truth is more complex if you actually listen to the NPR story on the subject.


That NPR hit piece was a steaming pile in it's own right as well. They had to go back and make loads of corrections after NPR was buried with protests by Disabled Advocacy groups.
 
2013-10-09 11:01:51 AM
First you biatch when the fat lady drives on your lawn to deliver the mail. Then you biatch when she goes out on disability.

Man, there is no pleasing some people.
 
2013-10-09 11:07:59 AM

Dusk-You-n-Me: '60 Minutes' Gets Disability Insurance All Wrong


So I didn't watch the 60 minutes report and can't at the moment, but did the show talk about SSDI or SSI?  The article makes a big deal about how SSDI does not have a lot of fraud but doesn't seem to mention SSI at all.
 
2013-10-09 11:08:12 AM
Disability, as it is now, is a mess. It's way too easy for somethings, and doesn't include some other things that can be truly disabling.

I have both a physical and mental ailment that could each probably qualify me for disability, and I should not be given it. Yeah the mental stuff sucks, but you know what helps most? Working, and keeping myself occupied. Yeah, the physical stuff can be pretty debilitating...if I don't take care of myself, but if I stick to my daily routine (not to mention drop some weight) it's totally manageable. In other words, society is tempting me to be a lazy fark for supposed purposes of 'health', when really it's the worst possible thing for me. My pride prevents me from doing it, but many others have no qualms about taking 'free money' from the Government.

I hear quite often, and not from degenerate white trash or anything: "Oh, did you know you could qualify for disability with that? You should do it!" Even decent people get temped when you're giving them an out from the shaitty grind of their work week.
 
2013-10-09 11:09:49 AM

TV's Vinnie: A recent article over at Media Matters has shown that 60 Minutes, much like the way the helped promote "Satanic Panic" over the dangers of playing "Dungeons & Dragons" in the 80's, that 60 Minutes and CBS is totally full of sh*t.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/10/07/60-minutes-report-denounced-f o r-disability-misi/196317


Yeah right?
I happened to catch a snippet of 60 MInutes the other night and it was Anderson Cooper breathlessly discussing asteroids that could destroy the Earth.

No. Really.
It's not wonder the country is circling the toilet bowl.
 
2013-10-09 11:11:56 AM

llortcM_yllort: So I didn't watch the 60 minutes report and can't at the moment, but did the show talk about SSDI or SSI?


I do not know.
 
2013-10-09 11:13:51 AM

Dusk-You-n-Me: '60 Minutes' Gets Disability Insurance All Wrong


FTA:

Perhaps the biggest enemy of the American social insurance system is the anecdote: the Walmart shopper using food stamps to pay for King Crab legs, the mother who keeps popping out kids just to ensure the benefit checks don't stop or the infamous welfare queen rolling around town in a Cadillac. None represent anything close to reality for the vast majority of food stamp and welfare beneficiaries, but are nonetheless powerful and seemingly indestructible fables for millions of Americans.

Not sure why he confuses anecdotes with fables. There is outrageous abuse in this program. They are not fables. He is correct that we shouldn't allow these abuses cloud the entire program, but diminishing them to the point of irrelevancy only breeds further abuse of the system.  There is a need to watchdog over these programs.

We should be outraged that folks abuse the system and fraudsters should be behind bars or picking up trash alongside the road for their benefits from here on out.
 
2013-10-09 11:15:55 AM
fatalvenom

Here's another example.
i.imgur.com


These people just make me sick. I have a serious dislike of the poor and those willing to scam the system from the taxpayers. Especially those who have no job and try to get SSDI because they fear death. I know a person who is in college right now and got on SSDI, but last year was getting $15/hr for a full time job. This person is not disabled in any form.
 
2013-10-09 11:23:06 AM

HeadLever: We should be outraged that folks abuse the system and fraudsters should be behind bars or picking up trash alongside the road for their benefits from here on out.


I'm more outraged at the thirty years of stagnant wages and five years of 7+% unemployment that breeds this sort of behavior.
 
2013-10-09 11:23:23 AM

HeadLever: Dusk-You-n-Me: '60 Minutes' Gets Disability Insurance All Wrong

FTA:

Perhaps the biggest enemy of the American social insurance system is the anecdote: the Walmart shopper using food stamps to pay for King Crab legs, the mother who keeps popping out kids just to ensure the benefit checks don't stop or the infamous welfare queen rolling around town in a Cadillac. None represent anything close to reality for the vast majority of food stamp and welfare beneficiaries, but are nonetheless powerful and seemingly indestructible fables for millions of Americans.

Not sure why he confuses anecdotes with fables. There is outrageous abuse in this program. They are not fables. He is correct that we shouldn't allow these abuses cloud the entire program, but diminishing them to the point of irrelevancy only breeds further abuse of the system.  There is a need to watchdog over these programs.

We should be outraged that folks abuse the system and fraudsters should be behind bars or picking up trash alongside the road for their benefits from here on out.


Anecdotal, but as someone who's been to the local social services, you see a mix of all kinds there. The stereotypical black welfare queen, complete twin stroller, third on the way, and yet still wearing shorts that make her ass spill out? There were a few of them. But I also talked with some people who seemed entirely decent and who had just fallen on hard times. The challenge is, how do you separate the two?
 
2013-10-09 11:23:26 AM
media.kentucky.com

Ky's contribution to the problem....
 
2013-10-09 11:28:04 AM

Dusk-You-n-Me: llortcM_yllort: So I didn't watch the 60 minutes report and can't at the moment, but did the show talk about SSDI or SSI?

I do not know.


Pretty much all of the above. Apparently there are people who aren't able to get work because they're disabled and Coburn & CBS go all "THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!!!OMFGBBQ!!11!!" about it. Because they seem to think that unless you're in a persistent vegetative state and on life support, you aren't really disabled and you can go get a job, despite that no employer will ever hire you as long as they can get far more able-bodied people to hire.
 
2013-10-09 11:28:36 AM
growlersoftware.com
 
2013-10-09 11:30:33 AM

Funk Brothers: fatalvenom

Here's another example.
[i.imgur.com image 850x236]


These people just make me sick. I have a serious dislike of the poor and those willing to scam the system from the taxpayers. Especially those who have no job and try to get SSDI because they fear death. I know a person who is in college right now and got on SSDI, but last year was getting $15/hr for a full time job. This person is not disabled in any form.


Then please kill yourself and make the world a better place, Ebeneezer Von Rand.
 
2013-10-09 11:31:32 AM

Virtuoso80: Anecdotal, but as someone who's been to the local social services, you see a mix of all kinds there. The stereotypical black welfare queen, complete twin stroller, third on the way, and yet still wearing shorts that make her ass spill out? There were a few of them. But I also talked with some people who seemed entirely decent and who had just fallen on hard times. The challenge is, how do you separate the two?


And how, pray tell, do you know that black women with 3 kids didn't just fall on hard times?
 
2013-10-09 11:31:32 AM

QueenMamaBee: [media.kentucky.com image 620x533]

Ky's contribution to the problem....


Because helping the little guy fight the system is bad. BAAAAAAAAAAAAD!!!!!
 
2013-10-09 11:33:23 AM
For every dollar the government spends on continuing disability reviews, it saves four dollars. Yet, the funding to CDRs is getting cut. I wonder why that is? Is it because the politicians have an interest in seeing the system fail?
 
2013-10-09 11:34:48 AM

impaler: Virtuoso80: Anecdotal, but as someone who's been to the local social services, you see a mix of all kinds there. The stereotypical black welfare queen, complete twin stroller, third on the way, and yet still wearing shorts that make her ass spill out? There were a few of them. But I also talked with some people who seemed entirely decent and who had just fallen on hard times. The challenge is, how do you separate the two?

And how, pray tell, do you know that black women with 3 kids didn't just fall on hard times?


Yes, I was making a superficial judgement.
 
2013-10-09 11:35:27 AM

Funk Brothers: I have a serious dislike of the poor


They don't much care for you, either.
 
2013-10-09 11:35:44 AM

impaler: Virtuoso80: Anecdotal, but as someone who's been to the local social services, you see a mix of all kinds there. The stereotypical black welfare queen, complete twin stroller, third on the way, and yet still wearing shorts that make her ass spill out? There were a few of them. But I also talked with some people who seemed entirely decent and who had just fallen on hard times. The challenge is, how do you separate the two?

And how, pray tell, do you know that black women with 3 kids didn't just fall on hard times?


Well, you know. Because she's... near.
 
2013-10-09 11:36:58 AM

Dusk-You-n-Me: I'm more outraged at the thirty years of stagnant wages and five years of 7+% unemployment that breeds this sort of behavior.


Why not both?
 
2013-10-09 11:38:17 AM

TV's Vinnie: QueenMamaBee: [media.kentucky.com image 620x533]

Ky's contribution to the problem....

Because helping the little guy fight the system is bad. BAAAAAAAAAAAAD!!!!!


No, because he paid off doctors and one particular judge. His approval rate for disability for his clients was 100%.
 
2013-10-09 11:38:53 AM

HeadLever: Not sure why he confuses anecdotes with fables.


Because when you make a story up, it's not an anecdote, it's a fable.

HeadLever: We should be outraged that folks abuse the system


So shut the whole thing down!

Democrats stay awake at night scared the system is screwing someone.
Republicans stay awake at night scared someone is screwing the system.
 
2013-10-09 11:40:53 AM

QueenMamaBee: His approval rate for disability for his clients was 100%.


So he only represented people with honest to god disabilities, who desperately needed his help. Sounds like a classy stand-up guy if you ask me.

/i kid
 
2013-10-09 11:41:37 AM

Virtuoso80: impaler: Virtuoso80: Anecdotal, but as someone who's been to the local social services, you see a mix of all kinds there. The stereotypical black welfare queen, complete twin stroller, third on the way, and yet still wearing shorts that make her ass spill out? There were a few of them. But I also talked with some people who seemed entirely decent and who had just fallen on hard times. The challenge is, how do you separate the two?

And how, pray tell, do you know that black women with 3 kids didn't just fall on hard times?

Yes, I was making a superficial judgement.


You and every Republican, ever.
 
2013-10-09 11:43:33 AM

impaler: Virtuoso80: Anecdotal, but as someone who's been to the local social services, you see a mix of all kinds there. The stereotypical black welfare queen, complete twin stroller, third on the way, and yet still wearing shorts that make her ass spill out? There were a few of them. But I also talked with some people who seemed entirely decent and who had just fallen on hard times. The challenge is, how do you separate the two?

And how, pray tell, do you know that black women with 3 kids didn't just fall on hard times?


She hadn't eaten her young yet.  I understand that's a common occurence among the blacks.
 
2013-10-09 11:45:16 AM
Here's a scenario for ya........


You've worked for years at a job. Despite your bad back worse from all the physical labor, you try to press on. Because you have a work ethic and want to earn money to feed your family.

You're a disabled person who's working. You could go on disability, but you like having the idea of a weekly paycheck and the ability to make more money thatn you would if you went on the dole.

Then, your place of business huts down without warning because some rich guy thousands of miles away want to give himself a huge holiday bonus this year. You're without a job, and far too "low quality" to get another one because there are many, many others out there who are far more qualified than you who employers will hire long before they took on your broken ass.

So, what are you supposed to do? Just crawl into a dumpster somewhere and starve to death where people won't have to see you, or do you take the ONLY chance of survival left open to you, which is to finally accept the fact that you have a disability and you need SSI.

Given the choice between "STARVE TO DEATH!" or "get just enough to survive month after month", who can blame anyone for trying to save themselves from death? The "job creators" have forsaken these people. Who dares tell these disabled unemployed to "die off and decrease the surplus population"?
 
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