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(Deadline)   Oliver Stone says the Breaking Bad finale had "too much ridiculous violence," savages the show's ending (Warning: spoilers and hypocrisy)   (deadline.com) divider line 82
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2013-10-09 12:10:31 PM  

blacksharpiemarker: To be fair, Stone has a point. It was a little over the top, but having not watched the series throughout, he probably missed the "magical" aspects of the story. It was referenced throughout the series that Walter was one lucky and clever son of a biatch regardless of the circumstances he found himself in.

Had it been anyone else, it wouldn't have worked out. Since it was Walter with such an absurd and perfect scheme, everything more or less fell into place. Yes, they could have been a little bit more cruel in designing Walter and Jesses fate, but we all know that people would have biatched to high hell had the series ended off on a darker note. Some artistic compromise was made, but always in favor of the viewer despite the fact.


Mr. White relied upon the Unspoken Plan Guarantee. Because Mr. White devised and enacted the plan on his own, the writers were able to implement it effectively without making obvious that the audience had been deprived of key information beforehand.
 
2013-10-09 12:21:56 PM  

Dimensio: Mr. White relied upon the Unspoken Plan Guarantee. Because Mr. White devised and enacted the plan on his own, the writers were able to implement it effectively without making obvious that the audience had been deprived of key information beforehand.


Thanks for the informative reference!
 
2013-10-09 12:34:28 PM  

SundaesChild: Natural Born Killers was awesome.  Long Live Mickey and Mallory.


Yes it was. Pre-internet I used to have to foam at the mouth at people in person when they disagreed.

Brilliant soundtrack too, and Robert Downey Jr was in full Geraldo mode who looks exactly like Tony Stark, ha.
 
2013-10-09 12:39:27 PM  

Mr. Eugenides: What would have been ridiculous would be Walt wielding it like Rambo. The solution as shown worked. It also showed him developing and testing the rig. There's nothing in his solution that is beyond my mechanical or electrical ability so I give that an easy pass.


I agree Rambo would have been bad.  However, if you have any experience with firearms there is no way that flimsy garage door opener thing would work and keep the gun in place.  I mean sure a defense contractor could rig something up in a month, but not walt in 3-4 hours.
 
2013-10-09 12:40:29 PM  
You'd think he'd be a lot more concerned with the lack of any explanation of how Leaves of Grass ended up in Hank's bathroom.
 
2013-10-09 12:47:53 PM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: You'd think he'd be a lot more concerned with the lack of any explanation of how Leaves of Grass ended up in Hank's bathroom.


That was Walt's bathroom.  Hank was just taking a shiat there.
 
2013-10-09 12:49:35 PM  

BiffDangler: Eddie Adams from Torrance: You'd think he'd be a lot more concerned with the lack of any explanation of how Leaves of Grass ended up in Hank's bathroom.

That was Walt's bathroom.  Hank was just taking a shiat there.


Shuddup and smoke your ricin cigarettes.
 
2013-10-09 12:50:35 PM  

Confabulat: SundaesChild: Natural Born Killers was awesome.  Long Live Mickey and Mallory.

Yes it was. Pre-internet I used to have to foam at the mouth at people in person when they disagreed.

Brilliant soundtrack too, and Robert Downey Jr was in full Geraldo mode who looks exactly like Tony Stark, ha.


It was the first thing I saw Woody Harrelson in that I realized that the man can act, too.  Before that I always blew him off as just "that one guy on Cheers."
 
2013-10-09 12:52:00 PM  
So he focuses on the M60 but not the fact that the guy watching Walt at the clubhouse didn't stop Walt from getting the car keys again? I thought that was a little weak. Or that they let Walt park the car anywhere near any building (or I guess Stone did mention this one).

But having mentioned that, I still liked the ending. I'm rewatching the whole series, and doing that has made me realize that Walter is even more evil than I even remember. I like the show but now I like him even less. I wish Jesse had shot him.
 
2013-10-09 12:59:30 PM  
Yeah, I'm really worried about the opinion of the man who brought us Wall Street 2.
 
2013-10-09 01:08:12 PM  

skinink: So he focuses on the M60 but not the fact that the guy watching Walt at the clubhouse didn't stop Walt from getting the car keys again? I thought that was a little weak. Or that they let Walt park the car anywhere near any building (or I guess Stone did mention this one).

But having mentioned that, I still liked the ending. I'm rewatching the whole series, and doing that has made me realize that Walter is even more evil than I even remember. I like the show but now I like him even less. I wish Jesse had shot him.



I don't think they dwelled on where he parked the car (beyond a minor "Hey, park it over there") since they were planning to whack him as soon as he went inside.  I haven't rewatched it yet but if I recall Walt slowly reached back for the keys just as they were bringing in Jesse, which provided a slight diversion.

Enough about that - if I keepo seeing that American Horror Story ad with the snake which looks like a 3 way knobber I'm going to have to go to my bunk.
 
2013-10-09 01:11:11 PM  
He should have just made a bomb, and blown everything up, then jesse escapes because he was sheltered underground, right mr. Stone?

So much more plausible. So much more boring.
 
2013-10-09 01:11:32 PM  
I guess this farkwit doesn't realize that television shows aren't real?  Just like every hokey, suspension of disbelief ridden piece of shiat movie he's ever made?
 
2013-10-09 01:12:18 PM  

groppet: I dont find the idea of the M60 mount so far fetched at all. Hell there was this guy that has videos on youtube of all kinds of weird mounts he makes. He made one with a motion detector and a paintball gun.


Exactly! And as previously established by the penultimate episode, you can learn a lot of stuff by watching Youtube videos, so your theory has much more weight than you can imagine.
 
2013-10-09 01:17:44 PM  
Get it right, subby... Natural Born Killers was a satire AGAINST violence.  The more graphic it was, the stronger the point Stone was making.
 
2013-10-09 01:37:48 PM  

skinink: I'm rewatching the whole series, and doing that has made me realize that Walter is even more evil than I even remember.


I wouldn't call Walt "evil".  He just found it within himself to be able to do what ever needed to be done.  You can't call a man evil that truly loves his family, I don't think, and Walt DID love his family.  Morally ambivalent.  That might be better than evil.

He didn't KILL Ted, for instance.  An evil man would have wasted Grey Matter.  An evil man would have killed Jesse outright back when he really needed to do it.  An evil man would not have felt sorrow and remorse over Hank's death.  An evil man surely would not have let Saul go get vacuumed.
 
2013-10-09 01:48:13 PM  

Dr. Kefarkian: I guess this farkwit doesn't realize that television shows aren't real?  Just like every hokey, suspension of disbelief ridden piece of shiat movie he's ever made?


And BB didn't really take suspension of disbelief so much as it took accepting luck and characters behaving in a way we might not expect real people to behave.  Which pretty much puts it right there alongside damn near every fictional story in the world.  If the characters weren't special, either personally or by circumstance, then stories would be boring as hell.


I've only been particularly bothered by one thing in a movie/series in my life: Blade 2, when they don't put the anti-light helmets on to enter the sewer and explode the light bomb.

That, and stun guns making people pass out.  There are convenient ways to make people pass out.  Taze them and then chloroform them while they still being tazed.  Done. Use a blackjack.  A needle. A choke hold.

Hell, use a farking blow dart, I don't care. Just stop using the taser in that way, for the love of god.
 
2013-10-09 02:48:35 PM  
I like Oliver Stone's movies, but he's got no room to criticize on this one. His last movie had an extremely over the top shootout at the end, all to have it turn out to be a daydream. He St. Elsewhere'd his own movie.
 
2013-10-09 03:24:54 PM  

crow: scontent-b-iad.xx.fbcdn.net


Even for a fan-fiction fake press release that's pretty poorly written.
 
2013-10-09 03:45:39 PM  
So some entertainment productions aren't actual depictions of how real life works? When did this happen? I bet Mr. Cranky has armed guards to keep people off his lawn.
 
2013-10-09 04:37:09 PM  

frepnog: skinink: I'm rewatching the whole series, and doing that has made me realize that Walter is even more evil than I even remember.

I wouldn't call Walt "evil".  He just found it within himself to be able to do what ever needed to be done.  You can't call a man evil that truly loves his family, I don't think, and Walt DID love his family.  Morally ambivalent.  That might be better than evil.

He didn't KILL Ted, for instance.  An evil man would have wasted Grey Matter.  An evil man would have killed Jesse outright back when he really needed to do it.  An evil man would not have felt sorrow and remorse over Hank's death.  An evil man surely would not have let Saul go get vacuumed.


As Hank told Walt in the garage, Walter could give a dark about family. Even Walt's admission to Skyler is that he did everything for selfish reasons. Gray Matter, Ted, and Saul were the few things that didn't suffer because of Walt.

And I can point out that if he had just farming took the money for his cancer treatment from Grey Matter, Skyler would never have had to go work for Ted again and cook his books.

Aside from the three incidents you mentioned, Walt cause a lot of collateral damage. And a lot of it was on purpose.
 
2013-10-09 05:20:08 PM  
And on this day I apologize on behalf of Stones everywhere.

Forgive our crazy uncle Oliver, for he knows not what he says.

/watched the finale again last night
//then smoked a ricin cigarette in Hank's bathroom
 
2013-10-09 05:38:33 PM  
Did the guy who directed JFK just criticize a show for lack of plausibility?
 
2013-10-09 05:43:44 PM  

roflmaonow: crow: From Madrigal Electromotive's Facebook page:

(Read to the end)

[scontent-b-iad.xx.fbcdn.net image 594x720]


Nice.


And launders it quite effectively - no messy cash transactions on Walt Jr's part.  Still very tricky to get the cash IN to Grey Matter in the first place.
 
2013-10-09 06:00:42 PM  
I'd probably be bitter that I haven't been relevant in twenty or thirty years too.
 
2013-10-09 06:05:45 PM  

crow: From Madrigal Electromotive's Facebook page:

(Read to the end)

[scontent-b-iad.xx.fbcdn.net image 594x720]


Awesome.

This was on Madrigal's "official" website recently:

madrigalelectromotive.com
http://madrigalelectromotive.com/


Not official, of course (check the last line). 

But there was a whole lot going on with this website over the past season. The story is here at 46:30:  http://baldmove.com/?powerpress_pinw=6368-breaking-good-breaking-bad- p odcast
 
2013-10-09 06:25:28 PM  
So Oliver wants some attention by criticising a popular TV show. No, I won't read the article, Oliver.
 
2013-10-09 07:15:05 PM  
Untold History is really good.

That said, Stone is dead wrong about Breaking Bad.
 
2013-10-09 08:01:45 PM  

BiffDangler: Mr. Eugenides: What would have been ridiculous would be Walt wielding it like Rambo. The solution as shown worked. It also showed him developing and testing the rig. There's nothing in his solution that is beyond my mechanical or electrical ability so I give that an easy pass.

I agree Rambo would have been bad.  However, if you have any experience with firearms there is no way that flimsy garage door opener thing would work and keep the gun in place.  I mean sure a defense contractor could rig something up in a month, but not walt in 3-4 hours.


Challenge accepted!

/Anyone have an M-60?
//The gun, not the tank.
 
2013-10-09 09:24:54 PM  

Babwa Wawa: Adjective Bird Whiskey: Nobody cares what Oliver Stone thinks.

 
2013-10-09 10:20:33 PM  
Well, he was great talent.
 
2013-10-10 12:05:20 AM  

Adjective Bird Whiskey: Nobody cares what Oliver Stone thinks.

 
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