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(Slothed)   Frontline's "League of Denial" documentary claims that no child under the age of 14 should be playing tackle football due to the risk of permanent brain trauma   (slothed.com) divider line 71
    More: Interesting, NFL, permanent brain, PBS, tackles, concussion, front lines, CTE, Junior Seau  
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2013-10-09 05:33:40 AM  
By this rational, Fox News should also be banned.
 
2013-10-09 10:15:04 AM  
I played football that young and didn't suffer any dain bramage.
 
2013-10-09 10:29:04 AM  
My older son is obsessed with football and decided to play in our local midget league back when he was 10.

I was really quite happy that he decided not to do it again at 11.
 
2013-10-09 10:29:16 AM  
I'm having a tough time coming up with a reason why this shouldn't be the case.
 
2013-10-09 10:31:49 AM  
hitting yourself in the head repeatedly isn't smart, can turn you into a suicidal 'tard

news at 11
 
2013-10-09 10:32:08 AM  
Insurance ratea will eventually take care of the problem. A couple lawsuits against public schools or park districts should do the trick.
 
2013-10-09 10:33:25 AM  
Encouraging our children to give each other brain damage in the hope it will one day relieve us from having to pay for college is an American tradition.
 
2013-10-09 10:41:29 AM  
A still forming brain shouldn't receive repeated trauma?

That sounds un-American.
 
2013-10-09 10:44:18 AM  

jayhawk88: I'm having a tough time coming up with a reason why this shouldn't be the case.


Because the kids would miss the life lessons that are impossible to learn anywhere but on the football field? Such as and furthermore.
 
2013-10-09 10:46:33 AM  
Isn't the brain still developing until about age 25? Should we not then ban High School FB, College FB, and institute a "Not until your 25" rule for the NFL?
 
2013-10-09 10:52:20 AM  
I brain football shoes
 
2013-10-09 10:52:31 AM  
It's being addressed by parents already with the decreased involvement in Pop Warner (and other junior football programs).  Some programs are experiencing a 50%+ decline in participation, even after the changes made a couple of years ago (limiting hitting in practice, advanced concussion training and monitoring for coaches and officials, etc).  And as somebody mentioned up thread, insurance companies will eventually be the ones calling the shots at every level below the NFL.
 
2013-10-09 10:53:19 AM  
Before the age of 14, kids aren't hitting hard enough to do much damage.  If you were really that concerned, you'd stop them from playing in high school and college.  At least in the NFL they get paid for that abuse.
 
2013-10-09 10:54:20 AM  
The pussification continues.
 
2013-10-09 10:55:04 AM  

UberDave: I played football that young and didn't suffer any dain bramage.


How much ya bench?
 
2013-10-09 10:57:20 AM  
Caught this last night. It's really good. Pretty funny how the league swooped in and made sure Seau's brain went to the examiner of their choosing. Still came back positive for CTE, though.
 
2013-10-09 10:59:13 AM  
If football goes away how else will inner city youth be able to get rich? Oh yeah basketball
 
2013-10-09 11:01:56 AM  

Kid Lester: Caught this last night. It's really good. Pretty funny how the league swooped in and made sure Seau's brain went to the examiner of their choosing. Still came back positive for CTE, though.


Did they play ominous music in the background during that part. An then the evil NFL swooped in and stole his brain before anyone could study it.
 
2013-10-09 11:04:29 AM  

The_Six_Fingered_Man: Isn't the brain still developing until about age 25? Should we not then ban High School FB, College FB, and institute a "Not until your 25" rule for the NFL?


Age of consent says you can fark yourself up playing football. 10-11 isn't age of consent.
 
2013-10-09 11:05:23 AM  
Also, in regards to the headline, I don't think they make that claim. They certainly show the potential dangers of football related head trauma and make you ask if it's worth the risk. But more than anything, it shows the need to treat concussions like you would, say, a broken bone. Treat it properly and give it time to heal. And posits that, hey-you know, maybe if we didn't have guys getting concussions, and going back into THE SAME GAME, some of this could have possibly been mitigated.
 
2013-10-09 11:05:26 AM  
Would more time between games be a possible solution to recover from the repetitive hits? Nah more Thursday night games please! How bout add a Wednesday game when NFLNetwork2 goes live?
 
2013-10-09 11:05:48 AM  
Been saying this for years. Football shouldn't be played until after puberty for the ligaments sake too
 
2013-10-09 11:06:46 AM  

coffeeplease: The pussification continues.


But useful idiots continue to thrive.
 
2013-10-09 11:08:18 AM  

coffeeplease: Kid Lester: Caught this last night. It's really good. Pretty funny how the league swooped in and made sure Seau's brain went to the examiner of their choosing. Still came back positive for CTE, though.

Did they play ominous music in the background during that part. An then the evil NFL swooped in and stole his brain before anyone could study it.


LOL. Almost. They have the doctor that initially blew the whistle on all this, who had received permission from Seau's son to examine the brain, literally in the room removing Seau's brain during the autopsy, when in walks someone somehow associated with the league who was there to collect the brain who sees this, and claims to state, verbatim, "Houston, we have a problem."
 
2013-10-09 11:10:58 AM  
As the biggest fight fan on the planet, I 100% cringe to see kids taking punches to the head.  Football is no better.
 
2013-10-09 11:11:15 AM  

sigdiamond2000: UberDave: I played football that young and didn't suffer any dain bramage.

How much ya bench?


potato
 
2013-10-09 11:16:46 AM  

NewWorldDan: Before the age of 14, kids aren't hitting hard enough to do much damage.  If you were really that concerned, you'd stop them from playing in high school and college.  At least in the NFL they get paid for that abuse.


But it takes less force to slosh a kids brain around than an adult.

Plus, it is the repetitive "little hits" that might be causing the problems.
 
2013-10-09 11:26:34 AM  

Broktun: NewWorldDan: Before the age of 14, kids aren't hitting hard enough to do much damage.  If you were really that concerned, you'd stop them from playing in high school and college.  At least in the NFL they get paid for that abuse.

But it takes less force to slosh a kids brain around than an adult.

Plus, it is the repetitive "little hits" that might be causing the problems.


I'm SURE that 6' 2" 200 pound 13 year old can't really lay a good lick on anyone...
 
2013-10-09 11:27:50 AM  

coffeeplease: The pussification continues.


I can only assume that you drive around without airbags and seatbelts so as not to become pussified. And you operate chainsaws barehanded and without safety glasses, because of the pussifying risk. Of course it goes without saying that you ride your bike helmetless, due to your loathing of pussy.
 
2013-10-09 11:28:13 AM  
That is why I let my kid huff paint.
 
rka
2013-10-09 11:36:49 AM  

NewWorldDan: Before the age of 14, kids aren't hitting hard enough to do much damage.  If you were really that concerned, you'd stop them from playing in high school and college.  At least in the NFL they get paid for that abuse.


No, but studies show that their neck muscles are also less developed which leads to a lot of instability. Ever seen a jr high team? Most of them look like bobbleheads out there.
 
2013-10-09 11:44:33 AM  

coffeeplease: The pussification continues.


Call it what you want, but the unfortunate truth is that American football simply cannot survive in its present form if wt accept it as a blood sport where players are expected to sacrifice their future health for present performance.
 
2013-10-09 11:48:53 AM  
No, subby, one of the people they interviewed made that suggestion as part of a study report.
 
2013-10-09 12:02:19 PM  

coffeeplease: The pussification continues.


Of course it does.  The people who decide what's best for everyone will let you know if you can continue engaging in that activity you wish to engage in.
 
2013-10-09 12:08:05 PM  

NewWorldDan: Before the age of 14, kids aren't hitting hard enough to do much damage.  If you were really that concerned, you'd stop them from playing in high school and college.  At least in the NFL they get paid for that abuse.


Have you ever watched 12-13 year olds play?

First game my 10-year old played in, our QB fumbled the snap and fell on it.  An opposing LB came around the end and dove, full speed, directly into the helmet of the defenseless QB.  Average weight for LBs in the 10-12 year old league was about 90-100.  If you don't think that impact is enough to do serious damage, especially to a kid, you're nuts.  (Yeah, he was flagged for 15 yards, but the other team was noted for stuff like that)

Couple that with the constant hits they take in a 1.5-2 hour practice, 4-5 days a week and yes, a number may have trouble counting to potato in the future.
 
2013-10-09 12:15:55 PM  
The most interesting thing to me was that college football was trying to limit exposure after a concussion back in the 30's.  Even then they suggested that someone wait 48 hours after symptoms are gone before participating again.  Funny that this was mentioned back then and then you see tape of guys in the 70's and 80's CLEARLY suffering a concussion during one play and then back in minutes later.

Apparently science understood more in the 30's than they did in the 70's about how the brain worked.
 
2013-10-09 12:23:22 PM  

coffeeplease: The pussification continues.


go play rugby
 
2013-10-09 12:27:54 PM  

bluenote13: The most interesting thing to me was that college football was trying to limit exposure after a concussion back in the 30's. Even then they suggested that someone wait 48 hours after symptoms are gone before participating again. Funny that this was mentioned back then and then you see tape of guys in the 70's and 80's CLEARLY suffering a concussion during one play and then back in minutes later.

Apparently science understood more in the 30's than they did in the 70's about how the brain worked.


People had a lot more common sense back then and since there wasn't a ton of money in pro sports, they didn't want to leave college so brain dead that they couldn't even live a normal life.  Heck, the NCAA was formed specifically because of safety problems (i.e. people dying) during early 20th-century football games.
 
2013-10-09 12:39:16 PM  

bluenote13: The most interesting thing to me was that college football was trying to limit exposure after a concussion back in the 30's.  Even then they suggested that someone wait 48 hours after symptoms are gone before participating again.  Funny that this was mentioned back then and then you see tape of guys in the 70's and 80's CLEARLY suffering a concussion during one play and then back in minutes later.

Apparently science understood more in the 30's than they did in the 70's about how the brain worked.


More like there was no financial incentive to keep injured guys on the field. By the 70's, TV money meant the show must go on regardless of how hurt someone was, especially for the coaches. Coaches could get fired and lose tons of money if they didn't play their top defender, even if he's glassy eyed and loopy. You lose a game in the 30's, it sucks. You lose a game in the 70's onward, you lose your job and tons of cash.
 
2013-10-09 12:39:18 PM  

AdamK: coffeeplease: The pussification continues.

go play rugby


Rugby is awesome.
 
2013-10-09 12:48:29 PM  

someonelse: coffeeplease: The pussification continues.

I can only assume that you drive around without airbags and seatbelts so as not to become pussified. And you operate chainsaws barehanded and without safety glasses, because of the pussifying risk. Of course it goes without saying that you ride your bike helmetless, due to your loathing of pussy.


Oh yeah, definitely the same thing. Apparently you equate random things with loathing of pussy, interesting.
 
2013-10-09 12:49:31 PM  
Dont give me you shouldnt.  Give me the risk statistics.  Chance of CTE is one in a million for pop and JFL during the years 5-13... meh.  One in ten thousand per year.... wait a second now.  One in a hundred a game awww hell no my kid is not playing.
 
2013-10-09 01:21:35 PM  

mediablitz: coffeeplease: The pussification continues.

But useful idiots continue to thrive.


And useless geniuses struggle.  Frontline is awesome.
 
2013-10-09 01:23:44 PM  
Yessiree.  The little kids never hit very hard..... let 'em play.

http://youtu.be/JzPbHOJJx_k  (jump to the :20 mark)


http://youtu.be/uWYfGItPoRU


http://youtu.be/vlsTpx_-tlw  (check out the slo-mo headsnap at :17)
 
2013-10-09 01:32:45 PM  
About damned time.

Saiga410: Dont give me you shouldnt.  Give me the risk statistics.  Chance of CTE is one in a million for pop and JFL during the years 5-13... meh.  One in ten thousand per year.... wait a second now.  One in a hundred a game awww hell no my kid is not playing.


Exactly. The scary part is how much money is spent on football for children - even with the rather high risk of permanent injury, public schools spend a fortune on football. Add to that the expenditure for college football - Division I schools spend far more on athletics than on education - and you're looking at a business with a lot riding on ensuring a steady flow of already-trained players.

The NFL will work its ass off to counter this message, just to keep that steady flow coming.
 
2013-10-09 01:40:21 PM  

Trocadero: bluenote13: The most interesting thing to me was that college football was trying to limit exposure after a concussion back in the 30's.  Even then they suggested that someone wait 48 hours after symptoms are gone before participating again.  Funny that this was mentioned back then and then you see tape of guys in the 70's and 80's CLEARLY suffering a concussion during one play and then back in minutes later.

Apparently science understood more in the 30's than they did in the 70's about how the brain worked.

More like there was no financial incentive to keep injured guys on the field. By the 70's, TV money meant the show must go on regardless of how hurt someone was, especially for the coaches. Coaches could get fired and lose tons of money if they didn't play their top defender, even if he's glassy eyed and loopy. You lose a game in the 30's, it sucks. You lose a game in the 70's onward, you lose your job and tons of cash.


even before the 70's a "suck it up" mentality started, by the time the superbowl era started players barely cared about physical injuries much less ones you can't see or even feel

Saiga410: Dont give me you shouldnt.  Give me the risk statistics.  Chance of CTE is one in a million for pop and JFL during the years 5-13... meh.  One in ten thousand per year.... wait a second now.  One in a hundred a game awww hell no my kid is not playing.


from what i understand concussion-like symptoms are pretty widespread even at the high-school/college level, the issue with CTE is that you don't necessarily need a concussion for CTE build up because it's just a breakdown of the protein that forms the microtubules in the brain - basically when a brain swells the question is does the tau protein keep the microtubules intact when the swelling goes away? the answer seems to be no, so you get deposits of tau protein that then strangle brain cells... and it seems like repetitive minor swelling can cause the protein to break down just as much as one major swell

going forward, the best hope for the NFL is somebody creates a therapy treatment for dementia or alzheimers, because there's not a whole lot else you can do when your biggest enemy is basically a natural process exacerbated by an unnatural sport

either that or just start changing the game, maybe a combination of promoting the use of hands for defenses, new helmet designs, or even a weight limit for players
 
2013-10-09 01:45:58 PM  

FormlessOne: About damned time.

Saiga410: Dont give me you shouldnt.  Give me the risk statistics.  Chance of CTE is one in a million for pop and JFL during the years 5-13... meh.  One in ten thousand per year.... wait a second now.  One in a hundred a game awww hell no my kid is not playing.

Exactly. The scary part is how much money is spent on football for children - even with the rather high risk of permanent injury, public schools spend a fortune on football. Add to that the expenditure for college football - Division I schools spend far more on athletics than on education - and you're looking at a business with a lot riding on ensuring a steady flow of already-trained players.

The NFL will work its ass off to counter this message, just to keep that steady flow coming.

Because nobody wants to play football, it's just NFL messaging that makes them play.

 
2013-10-09 01:46:15 PM  

coffeeplease: someonelse: coffeeplease: The pussification continues.

I can only assume that you drive around without airbags and seatbelts so as not to become pussified. And you operate chainsaws barehanded and without safety glasses, because of the pussifying risk. Of course it goes without saying that you ride your bike helmetless, due to your loathing of pussy.

Oh yeah, definitely the same thing. Apparently you equate random things with loathing of pussy, interesting.


Random may not mean what you think it means. Also, nobody is stopping you from self-inflicting your own head trauma. You are free to slam your head repeatedly against a wall if you like. But don't be surprised if parents aren't standing in line to sign their kids up for wall-slamming.

I'm a lifelong football fan. But I'm not obsessed to the point of idiocy. I'm willing to face reality without calling people pussies. Calling people pussies is, in fact, definitively pussylike behavior.
 
2013-10-09 01:56:20 PM  
Thinking of the children? On MY Fark? Whats the angle here?
 
2013-10-09 01:57:30 PM  
Football is child abuse, and I would be in favor of jailing any parents who allowed their kids to play the sport, either in organized leagues or recreationally.
 
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