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2013-10-08 11:00:51 PM
FTFA: and encouraged Jews to 'give onto Caesar' and pay their taxes to Rome

Wait, didn't our last Jesus Was Made Up thread establish that when Jesus said that he was being a revolutionary warrior Messiah and meant that Romans should get the fark out of Israel, God's holy land, because the word usually translated as "render" is better read as "return"?

/And anyway, what have the Romans ever done for Israel?
 
2013-10-08 11:29:02 PM
This is about as rock-solid as the 9/11 conspiracy movement.
 
2013-10-08 11:46:54 PM
Not me, certainly

/apatheism wins again
 
2013-10-08 11:50:45 PM
The mythic Christ theory is not new.
 
2013-10-08 11:56:07 PM
Who could POSSIBLY have an issue with this theory?

Weak people.  People of weak faith, weak intelligence, weak wills, weak personalities, weak beliefs supported by weak evidence who can only weakly defend their weak egos by whining.  Weakly.

IOW: sheeple
 
2013-10-09 12:04:41 AM
Well, TFA was remarkably devoid of evidence. Lucky coincidence this guy has a book coming out to fill us in.
 
2013-10-09 12:07:45 AM
FTFA: Although to many scholars his theory seems outlandish, and is sure to upset some believers, Atwill regards his evidence as conclusive and is confident its acceptance is only a matter of time.

Because, you know ... faith.
 
2013-10-09 12:10:45 AM
Wow, this crap again?

Atwill and the semi-related Roman Piso Theory were big about ten years ago and then just dropped off the radar for a while.  Looks like they think there are still some suckers out there.
 
2013-10-09 12:16:43 AM

czetie: /And anyway, what have the Romans ever done for Israel?


The aqueduct?
 
2013-10-09 12:43:47 AM
So the Bible might be bullshiat? You don't say.
 
2013-10-09 01:27:51 AM
Wow so very cutting edge.
Later, I will present MY OWN new innovative theory, "Christ was a real person whose myth was invented and shaped by the Roman Aristocracy as a means of controlling the population of a Roman Client Kingdom."
Totally my own, totally original.

/At least as much so as this one.
 
2013-10-09 01:57:39 AM

pizen: czetie: /And anyway, what have the Romans ever done for Israel?

The aqueduct?


Not to mention a stable Shekel.
 
2013-10-09 01:58:42 AM

fusillade762: So the Bible might be bullshiat? You don't say.


Ezekiel 23:20 does not lie.
 
2013-10-09 02:00:52 AM

DamnYankees: The mythic Christ theory is not new.


Hey, the man WAS the 44th governor of Florida.  That's pretty much undisputed.  Except by the Tea Party.
 
2013-10-09 02:55:15 AM

Lionel Mandrake: Who could POSSIBLY have an issue with this theory?

Weak people.  People of weak faith, weak intelligence, weak wills, weak personalities, weak beliefs supported by weak evidence who can only weakly defend their weak egos by whining.  Weakly.

IOW: sheeple


And I knew I had you farkied as "Christian bashing asshole" for a reason.
 
2013-10-09 03:15:58 AM
*dons tinfoil crown of thorns*
 
2013-10-09 03:17:55 AM

Pokey.Clyde: Lionel Mandrake: Who could POSSIBLY have an issue with this theory?

Weak people.  People of weak faith, weak intelligence, weak wills, weak personalities, weak beliefs supported by weak evidence who can only weakly defend their weak egos by whining.  Weakly.

IOW: sheeple

And I knew I had you farkied as "Christian bashing asshole" for a reason.


Hey, Christian Bashing Asshole would make a good name for my Creed cover band.
 
2013-10-09 03:19:56 AM
More people have seen Bigfoot and aliens than all the people who ever knew Jesus.

Just sayin'....
 
2013-10-09 03:23:00 AM
In 500 years, I imagine there will be debates over the authenticity of the great Messiah Obama. In 2000 years, people will debate whether he actually existed or was just a creation of some 2nd century (AO) monks.
 
2013-10-09 03:27:36 AM

fusillade762: So the Bible might be bullshiat? You don't say.


The potential bullshiattieness of the bible does not equate (in any way) with this being right.
Really it is up there with pyramids weren't built by Jewish slaves, therefore ALIENS.

Just wondering, did they invent Paul too? Because inventing Jesus I can understand (and appreciate), but inventing Saul/Paul seems like a bit of a dick move.
 
2013-10-09 03:28:43 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: In 500 years, I imagine there will be debates over the authenticity of the great Messiah Obama. In 2000 years, people will debate whether he actually existed or was just a creation of some 2nd century (AO) monks.


Unlike Jesus, Obama returns every 4 years and doesn't leave us alone. So, no. I do not agree with your theory :)
 
m00
2013-10-09 03:34:02 AM

pizen: czetie: /And anyway, what have the Romans ever done for Israel?

The aqueduct?


And the sanitation.
 
2013-10-09 03:36:50 AM
AND they're biblical scholars. That's gotta be a little awkward..
 
2013-10-09 03:37:15 AM

"Aliens!"


www.covertmessiah.com
 
2013-10-09 03:39:50 AM
FTFHL: Jesus Christ was made up by first century Roman aristocracy.

I buy that.

Isnt this 2000 year old NEWS though?

/ dnrtba (did not read the blasphemous article)
 
2013-10-09 03:40:51 AM
It was all one big conspiracy to support the dairy industry
 
2013-10-09 03:41:13 AM

"Titties!"


img.fark.net
 
2013-10-09 03:42:34 AM

DamnYankees: The mythic Christ theory is not new.


It seems to have a lot more evidence going for it than the "Christ was a real person" theory.
 
2013-10-09 03:42:44 AM
 "and why governments create false histories and false gods. "
LOL
false gods compared to real gods?
both are delusions ...

what was his point again??
 
2013-10-09 03:43:01 AM

Pokey.Clyde: Lionel Mandrake: Who could POSSIBLY have an issue with this theory?

Weak people.  People of weak faith, weak intelligence, weak wills, weak personalities, weak beliefs supported by weak evidence who can only weakly defend their weak egos by whining.  Weakly.

IOW: sheeple

And I knew I had you farkied as "Christian bashing asshole" for a reason.


Look I don't know where you come from but around these here parts Christian bashing is a legitimate sport with a long and storied past.
 
2013-10-09 03:44:51 AM

Pokey.Clyde: Lionel Mandrake: Who could POSSIBLY have an issue with this theory?

Weak people.  People of weak faith, weak intelligence, weak wills, weak personalities, weak beliefs supported by weak evidence who can only weakly defend their weak egos by whining.  Weakly.

IOW: sheeple

And I knew I had you farkied as "Christian bashing asshole" for a reason.


This isn't that reason. It's hardly Christian bashing to point out that the ones who are most insecure in their beliefs are the most likely to get an anxiety attack over something like this.
 
2013-10-09 03:45:22 AM
FTFA: "Alert citizens need to know"

Any time I see that phrase, I start looking for the speaker's tin foil hat.
 
2013-10-09 03:47:24 AM

ADHD Librarian: fusillade762: So the Bible might be bullshiat? You don't say.

The potential bullshiattieness of the bible does not equate (in any way) with this being right.
Really it is up there with pyramids weren't built by Jewish slaves, therefore ALIENS.

Just wondering, did they invent Paul too? Because inventing Jesus I can understand (and appreciate), but inventing Saul/Paul seems like a bit of a dick move.


Well, when someone is writing fiction, pretty much everyone in the story is made up.
Plus I thought that there was some pretty clear evidence that someone named jesus existed around then, blah blah blah blah.

"Isn't it amazing, that the religion in which you were indoctrinated into for the first 18 years of your life just happens to be the correct one? How lucky each one of you are."
 
2013-10-09 03:49:05 AM

chrylis: Pokey.Clyde: Lionel Mandrake: Who could POSSIBLY have an issue with this theory?

Weak people.  People of weak faith, weak intelligence, weak wills, weak personalities, weak beliefs supported by weak evidence who can only weakly defend their weak egos by whining.  Weakly.

IOW: sheeple

And I knew I had you farkied as "Christian bashing asshole" for a reason.

This isn't that reason. It's hardly Christian bashing to point out that the ones who are most insecure in their beliefs are the most likely to get an anxiety attack over something like this.


Doesnt bashing religious people fall into the same category as making fun of mentally ill people?
Their delusions are real. They really believe their parental brain-washing. 

The real question is when do we start treating religious indoctrination of children as abuse?
 
2013-10-09 03:49:35 AM
Absolutely nothing will make a die hard believer in christianity give up their beliefs. It doesn't matter if there were definitive proof there would be many who claimed big bad Satan was pulling the wool over their eyes. While I love history and encourage people to study up on stuff like this...it's forking pointless to try to rub it in Christians faces.

As long as believers are pushing their ideas into my life and government (which they kind of are but oh we'll) I'm with the live and let live philosophy. When I was younger I used to debate/argue with my mother about her faith..constantly trying to prove her wrong...then I matured and figured out that her beliefs MADE HER HAPPIER. So now I just nod my head during such discussions.
 
2013-10-09 03:50:38 AM
Sounds perfectly reasonable to me.
 
2013-10-09 04:00:49 AM

Pointy Tail of Satan: Sounds perfectly reasonable to me.


Well you would say that wouldn't you
 
2013-10-09 04:01:23 AM
Jesus may or may not have been real, but if you're going to come up with a theory about how Christianity was all made up by intellectuals, it should at least jibe with historical facts.

The Romans had zero trouble crushing the Zealots militarily in 70 AD; nobody in the first century world was going to stop the Roman Legions from doing anything they wanted to do. And as far as needing some other way to "suppress" the Jews, that kind of thing hadn't even been thought of yet. The cost of keeping Judea down was more than outweighed by the money that came INTO the Empire from the wealthy Middle Eastern provinces (plus the need to keep them as a buffer against Persia), and the Romans weren't bothered by anybody's weird religious beliefs like we are today.

Further, the Jews were highly resistant to Christ's message--conversion didn't begin in any kind of large-scale way until 350 or so, when Constantine made Christianity the state religion of Rome. Christianity didn't "compete" with Judaism, or even "conflict" with it in any way that would have "pacified" the rebellious people in Judea. It's far more likely that a Jewish rabbi named Jesus ben Joseph really did exist and got some stories attached to him later, imo, than that a bunch of Roman literati decided to play word games with the victories of Titus "for future generations to solve," as the author grandiloquently puts it.

It's entirely possible to make up a religion, and even get people to follow you like a bunch of crazy loons, but in this case, I think the guy's been watching too much DaVinci Code.
 
2013-10-09 04:01:46 AM

namatad: "Isn't it amazing, that the religion in which you were indoctrinated into for the first 18 years of your life just happens to be the correct one? How lucky each one of you are."


^^^^THIS right here ^^^^

I count myself as lucky to have been born into one of the good ones.
 
2013-10-09 04:04:15 AM
As long as Jesus shows up the first Saturday of each summer month to mow my grass, I'll believe in him.

/i pay well. it's a valuable service.
 
2013-10-09 04:05:12 AM
Teach the controversy.
 
2013-10-09 04:09:23 AM
Gyrfalcon: It's entirely possible to make up a religion, and even get people to follow you like a bunch of crazy loons, but in this case, I think the guy's been watching too much DaVinci Code.

www.veteranstoday.com
Agrees.
 
2013-10-09 04:10:53 AM

m00: pizen: czetie: /And anyway, what have the Romans ever done for Israel?

The aqueduct?

And the sanitation.


Wine?
 
2013-10-09 04:14:37 AM
Someone's missed the boat. Jesus conspiracy is so yesterday. This is another crank that's the equivalent of a 911 truther that proves controlled demolition with cereal boxes.

https://tomverenna.wordpress.com/2012/09/25/no-joe-atwill-rome-did-n ot -invent-jesus/
 
2013-10-09 04:14:44 AM
Not a bad theory, given that Jesus has apparently allowed worse shiat to be done in his name over the past 2000 years than the shiat he originally came to stop the Jews from doing.

Money-changers in the Temple? How about pedophiles and Torquemada in the Catholic Church? That's some fine saviourin' work there, J. Maybe you coulda codified more of those good messages in stone instead of letting mortals re-write the whole thing. Cuz, if I recall correctly, mortals mangling the interpretation was exactly what you came here to fix.

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Not me, certainly

/apatheism wins again


Also, this.
 
2013-10-09 04:28:49 AM

ADHD Librarian: Just wondering, did they invent Paul too? Because inventing Jesus I can understand (and appreciate), but inventing Saul/Paul seems like a bit of a dick move.


IMO Paul / Saul was the same kind of person as Ron Hubbard, Joseph Smith, and Mohammed. However, he jumped on an existing bandwagon instead of creating a new religion for himself. Lazy bastard.

Relevant to the topic of the thread:
i560.photobucket.com

/the willfully ignorant will never wise up
 
2013-10-09 04:35:37 AM

Gyrfalcon: Jesus may or may not have been real, but if you're going to come up with a theory about how Christianity was all made up by intellectuals, it should at least jibe with historical facts.

The Romans had zero trouble crushing the Zealots militarily in 70 AD; nobody in the first century world was going to stop the Roman Legions from doing anything they wanted to do. And as far as needing some other way to "suppress" the Jews, that kind of thing hadn't even been thought of yet. The cost of keeping Judea down was more than outweighed by the money that came INTO the Empire from the wealthy Middle Eastern provinces (plus the need to keep them as a buffer against Persia), and the Romans weren't bothered by anybody's weird religious beliefs like we are today.

Further, the Jews were highly resistant to Christ's message--conversion didn't begin in any kind of large-scale way until 350 or so, when Constantine made Christianity the state religion of Rome. Christianity didn't "compete" with Judaism, or even "conflict" with it in any way that would have "pacified" the rebellious people in Judea. It's far more likely that a Jewish rabbi named Jesus ben Joseph really did exist and got some stories attached to him later, imo, than that a bunch of Roman literati decided to play word games with the victories of Titus "for future generations to solve," as the author grandiloquently puts it.

It's entirely possible to make up a religion, and even get people to follow you like a bunch of crazy loons, but in this case, I think the guy's been watching too much DaVinci Code.


good point...I like your statement!
 
2013-10-09 04:40:24 AM

Gyrfalcon: Jesus may or may not have been real, but if you're going to come up with a theory about how Christianity was all made up by intellectuals, it should at least jibe with historical facts.

The Romans had zero trouble crushing the Zealots militarily in 70 AD; nobody in the first century world was going to stop the Roman Legions from doing anything they wanted to do.


I agree Rome rolled over them, but actually the initial fighting might well have alarmed them:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Beth_Horon_%2866%29

And as far as needing some other way to "suppress" the Jews, that kind of thing hadn't even been thought of yet.

I don't know about that...our ancient predecessors were every bit as devious as we are; their brains were just as big, all they lacked was modern technology.  EVERY religion was invented, at one point or another, and that process had been going on for thousands of years before the Romans...I don't think it's that much of a stretch to think someone came up with the idea of inventing a religion specifically to pacify people.  (Not saying that's what happened with Christianity, just that the idea isn't impossible)

The cost of keeping Judea down was more than outweighed by the money that came INTO the Empire from the wealthy Middle Eastern provinces (plus the need to keep them as a buffer against Persia), and the Romans weren't bothered by anybody's weird religious beliefs like we are today.

Agreed.

Further, the Jews were highly resistant to Christ's message--conversion didn't begin in any kind of large-scale way until 350 or so, when Constantine made Christianity the state religion of Rome. Christianity didn't "compete" with Judaism, or even "conflict" with it in any way that would have "pacified" the rebellious people in Judea. It's far more likely that a Jewish rabbi named Jesus ben Joseph really did exist and got some stories attached to him later, imo, than that a bunch of Roman literati decided to play word games with the victories of Titus "for future generations to solve," as the author grandiloquently puts it.

It's entirely possible to make up a religion, and even get people to follow you like a bunch of crazy loons, but in this case, I think the guy's been watching too much DaVinci Code.


Quite possible; I have no opinion on the current author...never heard of him until now.  And isn't there fairly substantial evidence that SOMEbody named Christ lived around the appropriate time?

(That's not to say our hypothetical Roman propagandists couldn't have used an actual dead guy for their "messiah"...actually, that would ADD verisimilitude)
 
2013-10-09 04:41:10 AM
What POSSIBLE reason would the first century Roman aristocracy have to make people doubt the existence of a religious leader that was gaining popularity and power?
 
2013-10-09 04:41:41 AM
How does this guy's Jesus theory explain the Klingon Empire?
 
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