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2013-10-08 09:28:04 PM
Someone's getting sacked for that.
 
2013-10-08 09:36:47 PM
and was being checked on every 15 minutes by hospital personnel

Nevermind that, how in the fark did she get away from all of the electronics (heart rate, BP, etc) monitors? They go nuts when you remove them.
 
2013-10-08 09:51:19 PM

dj_bigbird: and was being checked on every 15 minutes by hospital personnel

Nevermind that, how in the fark did she get away from all of the electronics (heart rate, BP, etc) monitors? They go nuts when you remove them.


You turn off the machine before you remove the sensors. If nobody's watching the board at that time, nobody will notice.
 
2013-10-08 10:21:21 PM
If it is the missing woman then the hospital did a piss poor job of searching for her. When a patient goes missing you search everywhere. I also find it hard to believe that even a rarely used stairwell isn't routinely checked, if only for security purposes.

Something very fishy is going on here.
 
2013-10-08 10:47:21 PM

queezyweezel: dj_bigbird: and was being checked on every 15 minutes by hospital personnel

Nevermind that, how in the fark did she get away from all of the electronics (heart rate, BP, etc) monitors? They go nuts when you remove them.

You turn off the machine before you remove the sensors. If nobody's watching the board at that time, nobody will notice.


And, of course, they say they were checking on the patient every 15 minutes...
 
2013-10-08 11:02:30 PM

Shedim: And, of course, they say they were checking on the patient every 15 minutes...


Well, of course they are. CYA
 
2013-10-08 11:56:38 PM

Bathia_Mapes: Shedim: And, of course, they say they were checking on the patient every 15 minutes...

Well, of course they are. CYA


No kidding. When my dad was in the hospital after his heart attack, my mom was there pretty much 24x7 and more than once she had to scream at the nurses to actually do their farking job.
 
2013-10-09 12:03:51 AM
It's always the last damned place you look...
 
2013-10-09 12:15:07 AM

dj_bigbird: Bathia_Mapes: Shedim: And, of course, they say they were checking on the patient every 15 minutes...

Well, of course they are. CYA

No kidding. When my dad was in the hospital after his heart attack, my mom was there pretty much 24x7 and more than once she had to scream at the nurses to actually do their farking job.


CSB:
My nursing teacher told our class about a time when a friend of hers went into hospital to have a baby. The baby was fine but the delivery was a bit rough on her vagina and they'd had to stitch up a tear. Obviously, the wound needed to be checked regularly to make sure it was okay. A couple of days after the birth our teacher goes in to visit her friend and her friend complains of discomfort and pain around her vagina. The teacher checks it out and notices pretty quickly that the wound has gotten infected - with necrotizing fasciitis. However, according to the patient notes (which I'd like to point out are treated as legal documents), the nurses had been signing off on checking the wound and claiming it was clean when it was very obvious they'd done no such thing.

The hospital got sued to Hell and back and I believe the nurses got struck from the register for not doing their jobs; it took six months of plastic surgery (paid for by the hospital) to repair the damage.
 
2013-10-09 12:16:21 AM
Must have some pretty good air handling in that stairwell... someone should have smelled her just a few days in.
 
2013-10-09 12:40:25 AM
I guess nobody uses the stairs anymore.


queezyweezel: dj_bigbird: and was being checked on every 15 minutes by hospital personnel

Nevermind that, how in the fark did she get away from all of the electronics (heart rate, BP, etc) monitors? They go nuts when you remove them.

You turn off the machine before you remove the sensors. If nobody's watching the board at that time, nobody will notice.


So she was so disoriented that she wandered off and died in a stairwell but not so disoriented that she remembered to turn off the machine first?
 
2013-10-09 12:51:20 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: It's always the last damned place you look...


That's why I try to look there first.
 
2013-10-09 01:16:33 AM

fusillade762: I guess nobody uses the stairs anymore.


queezyweezel: dj_bigbird: and was being checked on every 15 minutes by hospital personnel

Nevermind that, how in the fark did she get away from all of the electronics (heart rate, BP, etc) monitors? They go nuts when you remove them.

You turn off the machine before you remove the sensors. If nobody's watching the board at that time, nobody will notice.

So she was so disoriented that she wandered off and died in a stairwell but not so disoriented that she remembered to turn off the machine first?


Dude, you must not have anyone in your family with Alzheimer's. That is completely logical.

/my grandmother blew an artery in  her brain, and still managed to walk three-quarters of the way to the elevator because she was convinced grandpa was taking her home.
//she will also serve herself breakfast, complete with getting the box of cereal, pouring, milk, whole shebang, and then forget how to hold the spoon to feed herself. Not joking. In the slightest.
 
2013-10-09 01:22:09 AM
The most likely explanation? Someone carefully unhooked all of this person's medical equipment, removed them from the hospital, murdered them (or let them die in a controlled environment), and then smuggled the corpse back into the hospital in order to leave it in a stairwell.
 
2013-10-09 01:28:31 AM

Peki: fusillade762: So she was so disoriented that she wandered off and died in a stairwell but not so disoriented that she remembered to turn off the machine first?

Dude, you must not have anyone in your family with Alzheimer's. That is completely logical.

/my grandmother blew an artery in  her brain, and still managed to walk three-quarters of the way to the elevator because she was convinced grandpa was taking her home.
//she will also serve herself breakfast, complete with getting the box of cereal, pouring, milk, whole shebang, and then forget how to hold the spoon to feed herself. Not joking. In the slightest.


That sounds about right. You could also say the same for anyone with dementia in general, not necessarily just Alzheimer's. We had a couple of Older Client classes devoted exclusively to dementia and other related illnesses since it's important for nurses to know how to properly care for such clients, and it can get really sad sometimes.
 
2013-10-09 01:40:23 AM

Cagey B: The most likely explanation? Someone carefully unhooked all of this person's medical equipment, removed them from the hospital, murdered them (or let them die in a controlled environment), and then smuggled the corpse back into the hospital in order to leave it in a stairwell.


so reverse vampires then?

she was probably disoriented when she wandered into a seldom used stairwell, which probably had a door that didn't open from the stairwell side, or she was so disoriented that she couldn't open the door.

apparently at the onset, this was happening during a thunderstorm, so possibly nobody was hearing any attempt that she may have been making to reenter the hospital from the stairwell. she may have wandered up or down a flight of stairs, we don't know on what floor she was found in relation to her room, so she may have been trying a locked door on an unoccupied floor, or out of earshot/visual range from anybody else.

she may have even purposefully set out to find an unused stairwell to possibly have a cigarette and then found herself unable to get back in, and then just sat down and figured, "oh well, they'll find me eventually, it's not like I'm going to die in a hospital".

we don't know her movements of her final hours/days.

but besides all of that speculation and regardless what really happened.

THE HOSPITAL IS 100% GUILTY FOR NOT CONDUCTING A THOROUGH SEARCH!
/and for letting the incident occur in the first place
 
2013-10-09 01:44:33 AM

Shedim: Peki: fusillade762: So she was so disoriented that she wandered off and died in a stairwell but not so disoriented that she remembered to turn off the machine first?

Dude, you must not have anyone in your family with Alzheimer's. That is completely logical.

/my grandmother blew an artery in  her brain, and still managed to walk three-quarters of the way to the elevator because she was convinced grandpa was taking her home.
//she will also serve herself breakfast, complete with getting the box of cereal, pouring, milk, whole shebang, and then forget how to hold the spoon to feed herself. Not joking. In the slightest.

That sounds about right. You could also say the same for anyone with dementia in general, not necessarily just Alzheimer's. We had a couple of Older Client classes devoted exclusively to dementia and other related illnesses since it's important for nurses to know how to properly care for such clients, and it can get really sad sometimes.


They need to have those classes for caregivers too. Our family is. . . Coping, but not well.

/plus, trying to support five adults on about 10k a year all told is...interesting
//that includes monthly support from extended family. I'd guess household income at around 7k
 
2013-10-09 02:09:44 AM
Her family is going to get hit with one hell of a co-pay.
 
2013-10-09 02:27:29 AM
Nobody uses the stairs.

The discoverer should be considered a person of interest. This person should be subjected to an intense investigation.
 
2013-10-09 02:29:17 AM
2 weeks?!
Pffffft!
 
2013-10-09 02:30:25 AM

GungFu: 2 weeks?!
Pffffft!


24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-10-09 02:30:50 AM
Well that was a lazy ending to that cliffhanger. I figured the patient was going to end up being Brenda's long lost father.
 
2013-10-09 02:31:24 AM

Shedim: dj_bigbird: Bathia_Mapes: Shedim: And, of course, they say they were checking on the patient every 15 minutes...

Well, of course they are. CYA

No kidding. When my dad was in the hospital after his heart attack, my mom was there pretty much 24x7 and more than once she had to scream at the nurses to actually do their farking job.

CSB:
My nursing teacher told our class about a time when a friend of hers went into hospital to have a baby. The baby was fine but the delivery was a bit rough on her vagina and they'd had to stitch up a tear. Obviously, the wound needed to be checked regularly to make sure it was okay. A couple of days after the birth our teacher goes in to visit her friend and her friend complains of discomfort and pain around her vagina. The teacher checks it out and notices pretty quickly that the wound has gotten infected - with necrotizing fasciitis. However, according to the patient notes (which I'd like to point out are treated as legal documents), the nurses had been signing off on checking the wound and claiming it was clean when it was very obvious they'd done no such thing.

The hospital got sued to Hell and back and I believe the nurses got struck from the register for not doing their jobs; it took six months of plastic surgery (paid for by the hospital) to repair the damage.


I'm going to jot this down as reason #64838362 why I'm apprehensive/ambivalent/terrified of popping a kid out my cooter.
 
2013-10-09 02:34:55 AM

Peki: They need to have those classes for caregivers too. Our family is. . . Coping, but not well.

/plus, trying to support five adults on about 10k a year all told is...interesting
//that includes monthly support from extended family. I'd guess household income at around 7k


*picks jaw up from floor*
That... how?
 
2013-10-09 02:39:22 AM
Considering how overcrowded American hospitals are, I'm amazed that any portion of a hospital can be described as rarely used.
 
2013-10-09 02:45:01 AM
See, ya'll against smoking in buildings now days so no one smokes in the stair well. Possibly saving this dead woman's life.

That and all the Nurses to busy banging Dr. McDreamy to give a shiat, or their Meth habit, whatever.
 
2013-10-09 02:45:16 AM

Shedim: Peki: They need to have those classes for caregivers too. Our family is. . . Coping, but not well.

/plus, trying to support five adults on about 10k a year all told is...interesting
//that includes monthly support from extended family. I'd guess household income at around 7k

*picks jaw up from floor*
That... how?


Costco. Lots and lots of Costco.

/also, old cars, so no car payment. Car repairs, which suck, but everything is still driveable for the moment (knocks on wood). The rents are currently without insurance, but we still have ours.
//even at Obamacare levels, healthcare will be unaffordable for us. But unlike some people, just because it may be out of reach for us, doesn't mean I begrudge people their opportunity. Ours will come. This is temporary (fiance is in school, I have health issues, grandmother as stated has Alzheimer's, mother is caregiver, and stepfather is illiterate. Not a lot of job opportunities for us).
 
2013-10-09 02:47:17 AM
img.fark.net
 
2013-10-09 02:50:12 AM
That's how you get ants.
 
2013-10-09 02:53:25 AM

Peki: Shedim: Peki: They need to have those classes for caregivers too. Our family is. . . Coping, but not well.

/plus, trying to support five adults on about 10k a year all told is...interesting
//that includes monthly support from extended family. I'd guess household income at around 7k

*picks jaw up from floor*
That... how?

Costco. Lots and lots of Costco.

/also, old cars, so no car payment. Car repairs, which suck, but everything is still driveable for the moment (knocks on wood). The rents are currently without insurance, but we still have ours.
//even at Obamacare levels, healthcare will be unaffordable for us. But unlike some people, just because it may be out of reach for us, doesn't mean I begrudge people their opportunity. Ours will come. This is temporary (fiance is in school, I have health issues, grandmother as stated has Alzheimer's, mother is caregiver, and stepfather is illiterate. Not a lot of job opportunities for us).


I'm hoping you've got a veggie patch
 
2013-10-09 02:55:47 AM

Peki: Costco. Lots and lots of Costco.

/also, old cars, so no car payment. Car repairs, which suck, but everything is still driveable for the moment (knocks on wood). The rents are currently without insurance, but we still have ours.
//even at Obamacare levels, healthcare will be unaffordable for us. But unlike some people, just because it may be out of reach for us, doesn't mean I begrudge people their opportunity. Ours will come. This is temporary (fiance is in school, I have health issues, grandmother as stated has Alzheimer's, mother is caregiver, and stepfather is illiterate. Not a lot of job opportunities for us).


I actually meant "How is your family on 10k a year" but you answered that as well. Holy Christ, America looks pretty farked from here.
 
2013-10-09 02:57:57 AM

ktybear: Peki: Shedim: Peki: They need to have those classes for caregivers too. Our family is. . . Coping, but not well.

/plus, trying to support five adults on about 10k a year all told is...interesting
//that includes monthly support from extended family. I'd guess household income at around 7k

*picks jaw up from floor*
That... how?

Costco. Lots and lots of Costco.

/also, old cars, so no car payment. Car repairs, which suck, but everything is still driveable for the moment (knocks on wood). The rents are currently without insurance, but we still have ours.
//even at Obamacare levels, healthcare will be unaffordable for us. But unlike some people, just because it may be out of reach for us, doesn't mean I begrudge people their opportunity. Ours will come. This is temporary (fiance is in school, I have health issues, grandmother as stated has Alzheimer's, mother is caregiver, and stepfather is illiterate. Not a lot of job opportunities for us).

I'm hoping you've got a veggie patch


I tried. My stepfather is...territorial.

/seriously, we could probably be stashing money away if we could do things my way. But holy shiat you'd think the guy was allergic to savings.
//and the two of them in general are definitely in the "I'm middle class regardless of what my income says" mindset. Losing the cable was a big concession, and they've both been unemployed for two years now.
 
2013-10-09 02:58:49 AM

GungFu: 2 weeks?!
Pffffft!


img.fark.net
 
2013-10-09 03:00:30 AM

Shedim: Peki: Costco. Lots and lots of Costco.

/also, old cars, so no car payment. Car repairs, which suck, but everything is still driveable for the moment (knocks on wood). The rents are currently without insurance, but we still have ours.
//even at Obamacare levels, healthcare will be unaffordable for us. But unlike some people, just because it may be out of reach for us, doesn't mean I begrudge people their opportunity. Ours will come. This is temporary (fiance is in school, I have health issues, grandmother as stated has Alzheimer's, mother is caregiver, and stepfather is illiterate. Not a lot of job opportunities for us).

I actually meant "How is your family on 10k a year" but you answered that as well. Holy Christ, America looks pretty farked from here.


To say I miss Canada would be an understatement.
 
2013-10-09 03:02:09 AM

Peki: Shedim: Peki: Costco. Lots and lots of Costco.

/also, old cars, so no car payment. Car repairs, which suck, but everything is still driveable for the moment (knocks on wood). The rents are currently without insurance, but we still have ours.
//even at Obamacare levels, healthcare will be unaffordable for us. But unlike some people, just because it may be out of reach for us, doesn't mean I begrudge people their opportunity. Ours will come. This is temporary (fiance is in school, I have health issues, grandmother as stated has Alzheimer's, mother is caregiver, and stepfather is illiterate. Not a lot of job opportunities for us).

I actually meant "How is your family on 10k a year" but you answered that as well. Holy Christ, America looks pretty farked from here.

To say I miss Canada would be an understatement.


You've probably been asked this before, and I apologise if this annoys you, but what's stopping you from moving back there and starting all over again?
 
2013-10-09 03:04:38 AM

Peki: ktybear: Peki: Shedim: Peki: They need to have those classes for caregivers too. Our family is. . . Coping, but not well.

/plus, trying to support five adults on about 10k a year all told is...interesting
//that includes monthly support from extended family. I'd guess household income at around 7k

*picks jaw up from floor*
That... how?

Costco. Lots and lots of Costco.

/also, old cars, so no car payment. Car repairs, which suck, but everything is still driveable for the moment (knocks on wood). The rents are currently without insurance, but we still have ours.
//even at Obamacare levels, healthcare will be unaffordable for us. But unlike some people, just because it may be out of reach for us, doesn't mean I begrudge people their opportunity. Ours will come. This is temporary (fiance is in school, I have health issues, grandmother as stated has Alzheimer's, mother is caregiver, and stepfather is illiterate. Not a lot of job opportunities for us).

I'm hoping you've got a veggie patch

I tried. My stepfather is...territorial.

/seriously, we could probably be stashing money away if we could do things my way. But holy shiat you'd think the guy was allergic to savings.
//and the two of them in general are definitely in the "I'm middle class regardless of what my income says" mindset. Losing the cable was a big concession, and they've both been unemployed for two years now.


Peki, breadwinner rights. You have them. Breadwinner gets to say how the farking money is spent.
 
2013-10-09 03:07:59 AM
Large irish family, we literally have family there 24/7 with older relatives when they're sick. The one that's in a home at the moment is visited every single day by someone. And we call. A lot.

Even then we've not avoided every problem, but my heart farking breaks for olds without family, or without family who gives a shiat.
 
2013-10-09 03:11:03 AM

ktybear: Peki: ktybear: Peki: Shedim: Peki: They need to have those classes for caregivers too. Our family is. . . Coping, but not well.

/plus, trying to support five adults on about 10k a year all told is...interesting
//that includes monthly support from extended family. I'd guess household income at around 7k

*picks jaw up from floor*
That... how?

Costco. Lots and lots of Costco.

/also, old cars, so no car payment. Car repairs, which suck, but everything is still driveable for the moment (knocks on wood). The rents are currently without insurance, but we still have ours.
//even at Obamacare levels, healthcare will be unaffordable for us. But unlike some people, just because it may be out of reach for us, doesn't mean I begrudge people their opportunity. Ours will come. This is temporary (fiance is in school, I have health issues, grandmother as stated has Alzheimer's, mother is caregiver, and stepfather is illiterate. Not a lot of job opportunities for us).

I'm hoping you've got a veggie patch

I tried. My stepfather is...territorial.

/seriously, we could probably be stashing money away if we could do things my way. But holy shiat you'd think the guy was allergic to savings.
//and the two of them in general are definitely in the "I'm middle class regardless of what my income says" mindset. Losing the cable was a big concession, and they've both been unemployed for two years now.

Peki, breadwinner rights. You have them. Breadwinner gets to say how the farking money is spent.


Doesn't work that way in this house. I want to live here for $200 rent (try finding that in Los Angeles), thems the rules. Keep in mind that this was supposed to be an improvement over living with the fiance's family, which included his heroin/meth-addicted sister and his mother who loved to hover two inches from me anytime I dared to enter the kitchen (I was a nasty meat eater who brought chicken into the house, though on my fiance's assurances that all would be well). I had lost 50 pounds over two years by the time we moved out--I had it to lose, but still.

As for why I don't move back to Canada? Need a job, have health issues (PTSD and severe psoriasis are the big two), have family concerns (aside from what I've described here) and the fiance's career is here. I have every intention of getting back eventually.
 
2013-10-09 03:15:12 AM

Cagey B: The most likely explanation? Someone carefully unhooked all of this person's medical equipment, removed them from the hospital, murdered them (or let them die in a controlled environment), and then smuggled the corpse back into the hospital in order to leave it in a stairwell.


Clearly. Occam's razor and all that
 
2013-10-09 03:16:28 AM
Also, anyone got an answer for when your mom comes to you asking for twenty dollars for grandma's meds because she blew $130 on a cable bill that she forgot about? And then the internet gets shut down anyway because she was short $20, didn't tell anyone, causing my fiance to nearly miss an assignment deadline for university? And we're already spending at least twice what we'd agreed to in groceries?

/but I wasn't allowed to get mad at her for the internet thing. She ran into her room because she was "tired" when I told her it was unacceptable.

Okay I'm done ranting now.
 
2013-10-09 03:19:51 AM

911Jenny: Shedim: dj_bigbird: Bathia_Mapes: Shedim: And, of course, they say they were checking on the patient every 15 minutes...

Well, of course they are. CYA

No kidding. When my dad was in the hospital after his heart attack, my mom was there pretty much 24x7 and more than once she had to scream at the nurses to actually do their farking job.

CSB:
My nursing teacher told our class about a time when a friend of hers went into hospital to have a baby. The baby was fine but the delivery was a bit rough on her vagina and they'd had to stitch up a tear. Obviously, the wound needed to be checked regularly to make sure it was okay. A couple of days after the birth our teacher goes in to visit her friend and her friend complains of discomfort and pain around her vagina. The teacher checks it out and notices pretty quickly that the wound has gotten infected - with necrotizing fasciitis. However, according to the patient notes (which I'd like to point out are treated as legal documents), the nurses had been signing off on checking the wound and claiming it was clean when it was very obvious they'd done no such thing.

The hospital got sued to Hell and back and I believe the nurses got struck from the register for not doing their jobs; it took six months of plastic surgery (paid for by the hospital) to repair the damage.

I'm going to jot this down as reason #64838362 why I'm apprehensive/ambivalent/terrified of popping a kid out my cooter.


Incidentally, that's reason #64838362 why being a dude is AWESOME
 
2013-10-09 03:19:54 AM

Peki: Shedim: Peki: They need to have those classes for caregivers too. Our family is. . . Coping, but not well.

/plus, trying to support five adults on about 10k a year all told is...interesting
//that includes monthly support from extended family. I'd guess household income at around 7k

*picks jaw up from floor*
That... how?

Costco. Lots and lots of Costco.

/also, old cars, so no car payment. Car repairs, which suck, but everything is still driveable for the moment (knocks on wood). The rents are currently without insurance, but we still have ours.
//even at Obamacare levels, healthcare will be unaffordable for us. But unlike some people, just because it may be out of reach for us, doesn't mean I begrudge people their opportunity. Ours will come. This is temporary (fiance is in school, I have health issues, grandmother as stated has Alzheimer's, mother is caregiver, and stepfather is illiterate. Not a lot of job opportunities for us).


No school grants for fiance , ssi/disability for you, social security for gramma or ihss for your mom?

There's gotta be some form of welfare you guys qualify for. Your state doesn't pay family members to be caregivers?
 
2013-10-09 03:21:20 AM
In many commercial buildings, they don't want people using the stairs (for some reason).  So they have them all locked from the inside.  You can enter the stairwell, but the only way out is to walk all the way down to the ground floor. They're there just for emergencies.

Since no one ever uses the stairs, I'm guessing that often the security guards or cleaning personnel who are supposed to check the stairs rarely bother to do it.  There's never anything there, they don't get dirty since no one ever uses them.
 
2013-10-09 03:24:13 AM

HaywoodJablonski: Incidentally, that's reason #64838362 why being a dude is AWESOME


Men are still perfectly capable of contracting necrotizing fasciitis on their genitals. The major difference being that penises are much less likely to survive the experience to the same degree as vaginas, and rebuilding one isn't as easy - plus even the rebuilt ones have a reduced functionality.
 
2013-10-09 03:36:32 AM

Peki: Also, anyone got an answer for when your mom comes to you asking for twenty dollars for grandma's meds because she blew $130 on a cable bill that she forgot about? And then the internet gets shut down anyway because she was short $20, didn't tell anyone, causing my fiance to nearly miss an assignment deadline for university? And we're already spending at least twice what we'd agreed to in groceries?

/but I wasn't allowed to get mad at her for the internet thing. She ran into her room because she was "tired" when I told her it was unacceptable.

Okay I'm done ranting now.


There are programs to help pay for medication if you are severely impoverished.

Contact the finance dept at the hospital your gramma attends, they should be able to give you a referral.

You should qualify for medicaid, all of you. There's no reason your health issues should not be addressed. I know ptsd can make it hard to leave the house, but know life can get better, just keep your eyes on your goals and try not to take your mom's issues personally.

Honestly, 10k a year income seems difficult to believe. Unless you are going to food pantries, i dont know how that's possible.

But i feel for you with the family stress, the ptsd, everything. Good luck, take care of yourself!
 
2013-10-09 03:44:11 AM

o'really: No school grants for fiance , ssi/disability for you, social security for gramma or ihss for your mom?


That's what I'm counting as income. We got 3K this semester for the fiance's school, and that needs to stretch from the middle of August to whenever we get the next disbursement check (assuming there is one--we got way more than we were expecting, so it's entirely possible we won't get one next semester). He also gets about ~100 a week from his job, but he was laid off this past Labor Day; he's had some work in the meantime, but it's no where near as steady.

SSI/Disability: I've been fumbling my way down this route. Right now, I can't get healthcare, so I can't get a doc to sign for disability. Also, they generally deny you the first time regardless, as a matter of principle, so it's about a two to three year fight before you get your first check. I don't know if my conditions (PTSD, two sleep disorders, severe, visible psoriasis) qualify for fast-tracking, but regardless, I'm screwed without a doctor. The county shrinks labelled me as a drug addict (because I use MJ to control both sleep issues) and wouldn't give me an anti-anxiety for my PTSD without going clean. I was in rehab for 30 days before sleep deprivation finally drove me back to a bong. Every SA counselor I ran into told me I don't have an addiction problem, I have a trauma problem. I'm hoping (crossing my fingers praying please if there's a god that people believe in) that Obamacare will make this a little easier, but I'm not holding my breath.

Parents won't apply for food stamps. I applied, was told to go get paperwork from HR from my last job (I quit last December due to the PTSD). I worked for a temp agency for Bank of America. B of A told me to go talk to the agency, agency said talk to B of A. Welfare office says tough luck, prove you're unemployed (how in the FARK do you prove a negative?). The fraud officer point blank asked, "How do we know you're not getting cash income that you aren't claiming?" I did manage to get the work requirement waived for my mental health issues, but fat good it does me. Section 8 has been closed since 2010. Open shelters are not co-ed, so even if my fiance and I wanted to straight up bail, we have no where to go together. Hell, the ladies at the welfare office seriously suggested that I get pregnant so we would have access to more programs, even if I ended up aborting the kid later!  Did I miss anything?

Oh, stepdad ran through his unemployment, mom was denied because boss altered the paperwork to make it look like she stole (yeah, I know how shady that sounds, but if mom had actually stolen the amount of money they claimed, police would have been involved).

We have SS for grandma: that pays grandpa's mortgage. He gives us $140 every two weeks out of that for whatever we need.

o'really: Your state doesn't pay family members to be caregivers?


Yes, but you lose the SSI, so we get paid to be caregivers, and grandpa loses his house.

If you all do the math and it comes out to more than 10K a year (we also get food and diapers for grandma from an aunt), my apologies for unintentionally misleading you. Back when I was 13, we had 6 people under one roof (2 kids, four adults) on 14K a year, and I'd hazard a guess we're about at that same level now. I ballparked the figure, but I'm trying to be as accurate and fair as possible. Yes, there are mistakes and things we are probably missing that we could be doing, but it's completely out of ignorance in knowing how to navigate the system. It's not like people are jumping at the chance to help, either; many of my calls for assistance at our church have gone unanswered as well (one psychologist was insulted that I asked for advice on how to navigate disability).

OH: And $700 a month from my brother who is in the Navy (who only gets paid $1,300). This doesn't actually go through our hands though, as it's for my father for the mortgage on the house (that's another long story in and of itself) so we all don't end up homeless. We were collectively taking dumps in our pants when the shutdown happened and we weren't sure bro was gonna get paid.
 
2013-10-09 03:45:01 AM

Shedim: queezyweezel: dj_bigbird: and was being checked on every 15 minutes by hospital personnel

Nevermind that, how in the fark did she get away from all of the electronics (heart rate, BP, etc) monitors? They go nuts when you remove them.

You turn off the machine before you remove the sensors. If nobody's watching the board at that time, nobody will notice.

And, of course, they say they were checking on the patient every 15 minutes...


From friends who have interned there, i get the impression sf general is a pretty chaotic place. It's the county public hospital, so all the homeless, drug addicts, etc get dropped there.

Maybe this patient was just not making a big fuss over needing attn as much as many other patients, and just slipped thru the cracks?

I've spent the last 4 days in a much more upscale hospital and there have been periods of several hours when my friend wasn't checked on. Things get busy, crazy.

/incidentally, fark was blocked on the hospital wifi (kaiser). As "adult content". Heh.
 
2013-10-09 03:46:30 AM

dj_bigbird: and was being checked on every 15 minutes by hospital personnel

Nevermind that, how in the fark did she get away from all of the electronics (heart rate, BP, etc) monitors? They go nuts when you remove them.


They also go nuts FOR NO REASON WHATSOEVER. Which is why nobody notices when they go nuts.
 
2013-10-09 03:57:44 AM

Peki: [long bit of text]


I applaud your willingness to fight so hard against such impossible odds. There comes a time when you have to GET THE FARK OUT. You might get better at playing the current game, but you're better off playing a different one with easier rules. Scary prospect, because you're actually REALLY good at this one, but fark it, you deserve better.

Also: http://psychcentral.com/lib/symptoms-of-codependency/00011992

Best of luck and much love, seriously.

// experience
 
2013-10-09 03:59:32 AM

o'really: You should qualify for medicaid, all of you. There's no reason your health issues should not be addressed. I know ptsd can make it hard to leave the house, but know life can get better, just keep your eyes on your goals and try not to take your mom's issues personally.


Yeah, I'm still not sure that will be a panacea. According to Covered California, I do qualify for Medicaid. What the hell that functionally means though, I have no idea. Does it mean a $50 copay for a shrink's visit I'm gonna have to do once a week? Even with HealthyWayLA (what I have now), they wanted $300 to see a neurologist so I could get a CONSULT to see if I needed an MRI and sleep study for my disorders. That was just to talk to him, let alone follow up or whatnot, treatment--which, by the way, doesn't even exist for one of my disorders, which is why I've latched on to the MJ so hard. At least I can farking sleep.

I'm toast. I've been fighting and waiting for 7 years (longer, if you want to count the childhood BS) for it to get better. I'm ready for someone else to help out a bit for awhile.
 
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