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2013-10-08 08:23:09 PM
Boehner did turn it down an hour and a half after. Go look, I'll wait here.
 
2013-10-08 08:33:06 PM
www.blubrry.com
 
2013-10-08 08:38:53 PM

Marcus Aurelius:


In this case the orange man's gun just shoots out a flag that says, "Derp!"
 
2013-10-08 08:45:03 PM
Speaker? You can have my answer now, if you like. My final offer is this: nothing. Not even the debt ceiling, which I would appreciate if you would pass personally.

d1dd8kdpw4fh5z.cloudfront.net
 
2013-10-08 08:58:46 PM
Isn't that what the republicans were willing to do a couple weeks ago?
 
2013-10-08 09:10:33 PM
It's different when the President of the United States of America makes an offer. The world will wake up tomorrow and ask, "Why not do a short term deal? Who wouldn't want a cooling off period?" To which the Republicans will have no answer, and no choice but to take it. They admitted they went into this with no clear plan. Bad call. President Obama and his team usually have very clear plans.
 
2013-10-08 09:20:24 PM

tinyarena: It's different when the President of the United States of America makes an offer. The world will wake up tomorrow and ask, "Why not do a short term deal? Who wouldn't want a cooling off period?" To which the Republicans will have no answer, and no choice but to take it. They admitted they went into this with no clear plan. Bad call. President Obama and his team usually have very clear plans.


The world isn't our concern. The reason you don't take the "short term" deal is because we'll be right back here again later because the administration is unwilling to negotiate on the long term deal.
 
2013-10-08 09:26:28 PM
Do NOT give in to these terrorists or we'll be going through this bullsh*t over and over

/best part... forever
//the biggest part of modern politics has become tit for tat, and that's not going to end anytime soon
 
2013-10-08 09:46:31 PM

king_nacho: Isn't that what the republicans were willing to do a couple weeks ago?


AFAIK the Republicans never put forth an offer that didn't have any concessions in it, regardless of time line.

The Republicans are just going to have to learn that it isn't a matter of what's being negotiated for, it's the manner of negotiations the Democrats are taking issue with.  The President isn't going to negotiate while the GOP holds the economy and nation hostage.  Pass the necessary bills to get the government running and the debt ceiling raised, and then go to the table and hash things out the way they should be done.
 
2013-10-08 10:10:33 PM
Checkmarte? It's hard to play chess when your opponents have the mental capacity for a good game of Candyland, tops.
 
2013-10-08 10:51:49 PM
So a short term solution does what?  Mean we do this all over again in 6 weeks?
 
2013-10-08 10:52:17 PM
If there is a default, it's the Treasury Bonds that get farked, no? The safest place on the planet to park money?
 
2013-10-08 11:05:17 PM

ShawnDoc: So a short term solution does what?  Mean we do this all over again in 6 weeks?


Why yes, yes it does
6 more weeks for the ACA to get going
6 more weeks for the world to make it VERY clear what the consequences will be if the tea-hadists have their wet dream of a default
Yes
A lot can happen in politics in 6 weeks
Patience, "first you take the knuckle, then you take the finger, then you take the hand."
 
2013-10-08 11:44:41 PM

tinyarena: Patience, "first you take the knuckle, then you take the finger, then you take the hand."


Did you get that quote from a movie or from a how-to guide on anal sex?
 
2013-10-08 11:49:05 PM
That's just what the economy needs: a short-term deal. I'll sleep better tonight.
 
2013-10-08 11:50:12 PM
OK, OK, stop screaming and kicking, you fkn assholes...you can have your bottle,  if you act like adults for a few minutes.

Nice precedent you're setting Republicans, you fkn assholes.

This shiat WILL be back to bite you - and America - in the ass if you "succeed" you fkn assholes.

Did I call you fkn assholes, yet?

In case not:  You are fkn assholes.
 
2013-10-08 11:53:27 PM
"What the president said today was if there's unconditional surrender by Republicans, he'll sit down and talk to us," Boehner said. "That's not the way our government works."

So Rovian Projection seems to be today's Official Strategy.  Hold the line Mr. President.  Remember, you have the last bullet and it's called the 14th Amendment.
 
2013-10-08 11:59:38 PM
I'm ok with a short term thing, because the important thing is that the GOP get it through their heads that Obama simply won't give them jack shiat in exchange for increasing the debt ceiling. That's it. I'd prefer a long extension, but a short one doesn't undermine the message.
 
2013-10-09 12:14:22 AM

tinyarena: ShawnDoc: So a short term solution does what?  Mean we do this all over again in 6 weeks?

Why yes, yes it does
6 more weeks for the ACA to get going
6 more weeks for the world to make it VERY clear what the consequences will be if the tea-hadists have their wet dream of a default
Yes
A lot can happen in politics in 6 weeks
Patience, "first you take the knuckle, then you take the finger, then you take the hand."


Fark is not your personal fisting erotica site

/go on......
 
2013-10-09 12:16:00 AM

ShawnDoc: So a short term solution does what?  Mean we do this all over again in 6 weeks?


Hard to say. I mean, the GOP can only do this for so long before they realize Obama isn't actually going to crack. The hope would be that they get the message and realize the pointlessness of doing this every 6 weeks, since its clearly not accomplishing anything.
 
2013-10-09 12:16:39 AM
Also they're gonna refuse because they're that stupid. And because the TP wants to default. It's their goal and they're giddy right now
 
2013-10-09 12:21:26 AM

Lionel Mandrake: This shiat WILL be back to bite you


We can only hope that the voters have memories long enough... And don't watch Fox News.
 
2013-10-09 12:24:23 AM

DamnYankees: ShawnDoc: So a short term solution does what?  Mean we do this all over again in 6 weeks?

Hard to say. I mean, the GOP can only do this for so long before they realize Obama isn't actually going to crack. The hope would be that they get the message and realize the pointlessness of doing this every 6 weeks, since its clearly not accomplishing anything.


I thought they would get the message last year.
 
2013-10-09 12:26:16 AM

Mentat: DamnYankees: ShawnDoc: So a short term solution does what?  Mean we do this all over again in 6 weeks?

Hard to say. I mean, the GOP can only do this for so long before they realize Obama isn't actually going to crack. The hope would be that they get the message and realize the pointlessness of doing this every 6 weeks, since its clearly not accomplishing anything.

I thought they would get the message last year.


When? The Fiscal Cliff?

Also I think its worth mentioning that John Boehner seems stressed and humiliated by all this - its hard to believe he's going to want to do it again in 6 weeks.
 
2013-10-09 12:34:54 AM
"We can't raise the debt ceiling without doing something about what's driving it to borrow more money and live beyond our means."

You mean like two really expensive wars and tax cuts for the rich? Still strikes me as funny how Republicans suddenly became so worried about spending on January 20, 2009.
 
2013-10-09 12:36:09 AM

DamnYankees: When? The Fiscal Cliff?

Also I think its worth mentioning that John Boehner seems stressed and humiliated by all this - its hard to believe he's going to want to do it again in 6 weeks.


The whole point of the sequester was to send them a message.  The problem was that it was like threatening to clamp a car battery to someone's nipples only to discover that they were sadomasochistic.  And since Boehner has been doing this every six months for the last three years, I don't see any reason why we should assume the best from him.  If he had any integrity, he would have ended this a long time ago.
 
2013-10-09 12:39:08 AM

Mentat: The whole point of the sequester was to send them a message.  The problem was that it was like threatening to clamp a car battery to someone's nipples only to discover that they were sadomasochistic.  And since Boehner has been doing this every six months for the last three years, I don't see any reason why we should assume the best from him.  If he had any integrity, he would have ended this a long time ago.


I agree we should have nothing like the sequester this time around. fark no. But that's not what's on the table here.
 
2013-10-09 12:40:09 AM
Checkmate for who? The President isn't offering anything in exchange for a short term deal besides talk. All he's doing is A) fighting off the impression by some that he is unwilling to negotiate, and B) offering the Republicans a way out of this mess. You think he, of all people, doesn't know we'll be right back here again in 6 weeks? By then perhaps cooler heads will have prevailed.
 
2013-10-09 12:41:16 AM

fusillade762: "We can't raise the debt ceiling without doing something about what's driving it to borrow more money and live beyond our means."

You mean like two really expensive wars and tax cuts for the rich? Still strikes me as funny how Republicans suddenly became so worried about spending on January 20, 2009.


It's kinda funny how House Republicans will pass a budget that leads to more debt, but then complain that there's debt.
 
2013-10-09 12:57:50 AM

Mentat: The whole point of the sequester was to send them a message. The problem was that it was like threatening to clamp a car battery to someone's nipples only to discover that they were sadomasochistic.


coedmagazine.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-10-09 01:06:48 AM
I've really liked Jason Jones' segments this week on the Daily Show. Especially tonight, when he made the point that you don't negotiate with hostage takers if they're going to shoot the hostage regardless of whether or not they receive their demands. The GOP, especially the TEA Party, hate the government, and don't want it to be operating at any level close to what we have now. Thus, why would they care if it gets shutdown?

Obama and the Dems just need to hold out long enough for the (tiny few) Republican moderates to really understand that, in order to force Boehner to act, or go around him.
 
2013-10-09 01:36:11 AM
He's folding again.

Obama: "We want 20."
Republicans: "We demand 10."
Obama: "We'll compromise and offer you 16."
Republicans: "We'll be brats and demand 10."
Obama: "Will you give us 11?"
Republicans: "How about 10?"
Obama: "Okay, fine. 8 it is."
Republicans: "Okay, but next budget session we're going to take it down to 4 or we'll shut down the government."
(Later)
Obama: "So it's 4 then?"
Republicans: "Yep."
Obama: "We'll go 3."
Republicans: "Okay, but next budget session we're going to take it down to 0 or we'll shut down the government."
(Later)
Obama: "We're staying at 4."
Republicans: "What did we JUST TELL YOU?"
Obama: "But 4 is already way too low!"
Republicans: "WHY WON'T YOU COMPROMISE?"
Obama: "Sorry. Mea maxima culpa. Zero it is. Can I polish your cars while I'm at it?"

Severely disappointing. I thought he was better than that.
 
2013-10-09 01:51:02 AM
I like how Bohner himself equates "putting the country back to work" with "a complete and unconditional Republican surrender".

I couldn't have been more cynical if I had tried. Anyone who still thinks this is about something more than Republicans saving face is a moron.
 
2013-10-09 01:51:33 AM
I got down to Bonehead's quote about how government works and closed the tab before I rammed my head through my monitor.
 
2013-10-09 01:53:27 AM

Mentat: DamnYankees: When? The Fiscal Cliff?

Also I think its worth mentioning that John Boehner seems stressed and humiliated by all this - its hard to believe he's going to want to do it again in 6 weeks.

The whole point of the sequester was to send them a message.  The problem was that it was like threatening to clamp a car battery to someone's nipples only to discover that they were sadomasochistic.  And since Boehner has been doing this every six months for the last three years, I don't see any reason why we should assume the best from him.  If he had any integrity, he would have ended this a long time ago.


No, I don't think Boehner's been enjoying it. I think he hates this trainwreck almost as much as the rest of us do. The guy's probably got the votes to pass a combined CR and debt raising bill, but the derpier elements of his party have him gagged. If he brings it to the floor, he loses. If he doesn't bring it to the floor and nobody bails him out with a discharge petition, he loses. The Speaker, along with Wall Street, are in a bit of a bind, held hostage by the Tea Party Caucus, to wit:

HOUSE FRICTION: AN INTERLUDE, feat. Speaker Boehner as BUTCH, and Lloyd Blankfein, CEO of Goldman Sachs, as MARCELLUS WALLACE, who in this scene, does look somewhat biatchish after the 300-point drubbing the Dow has seen over the past 48 hours.

i.imgur.com

CANTOR: Bring out the Gimp.

MCCARTHY: The House isn't in session.

CANTOR: Well I guess we'll have to call the House to order, then.

BOEHNER: (muffled, through gag) "Howwm thurr furrk erm er grnna cull dsh Hurrse tu ordurr wiff dsh grrdrrmn gug oerr mer furce?!"
 
2013-10-09 02:12:10 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Do NOT give in to these terrorists or we'll be going through this bullsh*t over and over

/best part... forever
//the biggest part of modern politics has become tit for tat, and that's not going to end anytime soon


Giving the GOP so much as a demure smile at this point will only encourage them.

They need to be beaten down like the dogs that they are.
 
2013-10-09 02:31:31 AM
the members of the GOP who got us to this point are now convincing themselves that a default wont be so bad, and it may even be a good thing.

so get ready. we either default, or the threat of default will become a common legislative technique from now on.

My (soon to be worthless)money is on we're going to default. I'm almost certain of it now.
 
2013-10-09 04:21:05 AM

unlikely: He's folding again.

Obama: "We want 20."
Republicans: "We demand 10."
Obama: "We'll compromise and offer you 16."
Republicans: "We'll be brats and demand 10."
Obama: "Will you give us 11?"
Republicans: "How about 10?"
Obama: "Okay, fine. 8 it is."
Republicans: "Okay, but next budget session we're going to take it down to 4 or we'll shut down the government."
(Later)
Obama: "So it's 4 then?"
Republicans: "Yep."
Obama: "We'll go 3."
Republicans: "Okay, but next budget session we're going to take it down to 0 or we'll shut down the government."
(Later)
Obama: "We're staying at 4."
Republicans: "What did we JUST TELL YOU?"
Obama: "But 4 is already way too low!"
Republicans: "WHY WON'T YOU COMPROMISE?"
Obama: "Sorry. Mea maxima culpa. Zero it is. Can I polish your cars while I'm at it?"

Severely disappointing. I thought he was better than that.


I think you are misreading this situation.
 
2013-10-09 04:35:35 AM

Car_Ramrod: I've really liked Jason Jones' segments this week on the Daily Show. Especially tonight, when he made the point that you don't negotiate with hostage takers if they're going to shoot the hostage regardless of whether or not they receive their demands. The GOP, especially the TEA Party, hate the government, and don't want it to be operating at any level close to what we have now. Thus, why would they care if it gets shutdown?

Obama and the Dems just need to hold out long enough for the (tiny few) Republican moderates to really understand that, in order to force Boehner to act, or go around him.


I really liked that segment too. In a depressing sort of way.
So what's the political equivalent of the sharpshooter on the next building who takes out the terrorist leaving the hostage he was holding in front of him shaken but unharmed?
 
2013-10-09 04:37:51 AM
(I should have added that after all that talk of how there were plenty of moderate Republicans who would like to vote for a clean CR basically dissolved and now there are some of them going on record saying they won't sign a discharge petition I have no faith in the moderate Republicans doing anything positive.)
 
m00
2013-10-09 04:38:39 AM
Boehner said. "That's not the way our government works."


Our government works?
 
2013-10-09 04:41:24 AM
Assuming that anything will "Send a message" to the TP is misguided. They got their message, it's from their blood-red districts screaming "DESTROY GOVERNMENT". Obama's election didn't get the message, the debt ceiling fight last year didn't get the message, the sequester didn't get the message, the current shutdown and how very unpopular it is didn't get the message - they don't care.

You're not dealing with a slow child, you're dealing with a chimp who won't get his fruit until he cracks open the government's skull and loots the corpse.
 
2013-10-09 04:47:43 AM

Lackofname: Assuming that anything will "Send a message" to the TP is misguided. They got their message, it's from their blood-red districts screaming "DESTROY GOVERNMENT".



Of course, the blood-red district will be the hardest hit, other than DC itself. My uber-libby town will be fine. We don't actually rely on the feds for much, as we actually have a fairly solid economy.
 
2013-10-09 04:52:05 AM
Of course, to the Democrats "short term solution" means "after the 2014 elections," while to the GOP, it means "a couple of weeks."
 
2013-10-09 04:53:52 AM

ShawnDoc: So a short term solution does what?  Mean we do this all over again in 6 weeks?


Republicans keep saying they need Obama to give them an out so they can walk away with their head held high. This is that out. Worst case we are at this same place in a couple months, nothing lost. Best case, Boehner is able to silence this insurrection in his party after everyone realizes this didn't go their way and clean bills pass in a couple months.
 
2013-10-09 04:54:05 AM
For once, I actually approve of kicking the can down the road like this. Republicans don't get any of their "concessions", people get to experience Obamacare for themselves, and the Republicans get to re-display their whininess in a few weeks, so people don't forget what a bunch of insane assclowns the Teabaggers are. It keeps the Republican tantrum fresh in peoples' minds, renews the media cycle about it, and continues the cementing of the Republican Party's image.
 
2013-10-09 04:54:33 AM
Obama should put congressional raises on the table, just to see how fast they can fold. And won't that just make them unelectable?
 
2013-10-09 04:55:03 AM

Mare_Imbrium: So what's the political equivalent of the sharpshooter on the next building who takes out the terrorist leaving the hostage he was holding in front of him shaken but unharmed?


O.o
Must.
Not.
von C.
Thread.

*takes breath*

For the President to take it before the Supreme Court before the deadline on Amendment XIV grounds, citing clear and present imminent danger to national survival and security.
 
2013-10-09 04:55:33 AM
another just askin

if we  default, im told the cost of us borrowing goes up
who gets the profit from that?
((and are they contributors to republicans))
 
2013-10-09 04:58:05 AM
Too late. The teahadists have changed up talking points from "it's not our fault" to "okay it is our fault, but it's all rainbows and unicorns."
 
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