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(Charlotte Observer)   Under Obamacare, you can absolutely keep your health care plan if you're happy with it.... Unless the insurance provider eliminates it because it doesn't meet standards you don't care about and then you'll have to pay six times more   (charlotteobserver.com) divider line 300
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2013-10-08 06:59:18 PM
But on the plus side, all your medical records are forwarded to law enforcement without a warrant.
 
2013-10-08 07:11:00 PM
Gee, I wonder if this is leaving out relevant facts. SOP for Republicans is to get OUTRAGED at something, but leave out relevant information. I was jailed by Obama's Nazi goons for simply praying outside the White House!!!

While saying "I'm going to shoot the President"
 
2013-10-08 08:12:44 PM
This is exactly how the ACA is supposed to work subby. People are required to meet certain minimum coverage levels, and insurers will very likely discontinue plans that do not meet those minimums.

Maybe you're unclear on the whole point of healthcare reform. We're trying to increase the risk pool and force the traditionally uninsured or underinsured to pay more (and hence increase the risk pool). This means, in particular, that young men are going to pay a lot more than they have in the past. That's part of the plan. If you didn't know this would happen, you haven't been paying attention.
 
2013-10-08 08:13:44 PM
Obamacare will force you to gay-marry a turtle.
 
2013-10-08 08:18:11 PM
 
2013-10-08 08:23:19 PM

unlikely: Obamacare will force you to gay-marry a turtle.


I hope not. I hate Mitch McConnell.
 
2013-10-08 08:26:08 PM

unlikely: Obamacare will force you to gay-marry a turtle.


Fabuloussssssssssssss
 
2013-10-08 08:31:10 PM
By, "standards I don't care about", you I don't care until I get sick and actually need to see a doctor?

Yeah, there are people who have disaster coverage who will need to pay more to get actual healthcare.

I agree, it is not the best we can do. That's why we need single payer now.
 
2013-10-08 08:36:17 PM
Try buying it on the open market all by your lonesome, chumley.  It's like being a sardine in the middle of a sea of mackerel.
 
2013-10-08 08:41:18 PM

fusillade762: North Carolina

Wow, a state that's actively trying to sabotage healthcare reform is seeing consequences of that? Shocking.

North Carolinians who buy insurance through the exchange will pay more because of the Republicans' temper tantrum. The extra cost is a mix of hard and soft numbers. One hard number is 3.5 percent. That's the percentage the federal government adds to premiums to cover its cost for running an exchange. If North Carolina had run its own, the cost could have been lower and broadly dispersed across the state's tax base - an allocation from the general fund, for instance - with little or no effect on premiums.

On top of the 3.5 percent are higher premium rates attributable to diminished competition. The idea behind the health care law is that putting more younger and healthier people into the risk pool will attract more insurance companies, and their competition will keep rates as low as possible. But in North Carolina, that competition was discouraged by the state's lack of involvement. Companies prefer doing business with a state-run exchange in which state officials know the market and can help companies fashion policies that fit it.


Ah, there it is.
 
2013-10-08 08:43:53 PM

unlikely: Obamacare will force you to gay-marry a turtle.


But i wanted to gay marry a unicorn!
 
2013-10-08 08:43:56 PM

Fubini: We're trying to increase the risk pool and force the traditionally uninsured or underinsured to pay more (and hence increase the risk pool).


The guy had a $10,000 deductible. That's why he got cancelled, but it's bullshiat to call him "underinsured" as a way to justify it.
 
2013-10-08 08:45:32 PM

ManateeGag: unlikely: Obamacare will force you to gay-marry a turtle.

But i wanted to gay marry a unicorn!


Too bad. Now get in your leathers.
 
2013-10-08 08:46:15 PM

unlikely: Obamacare will force you to gay-marry a turtle.




Given a choice to gay marry a turtle or a republican, hot mama that shell is smokin' on you!
 
2013-10-08 08:46:39 PM

Triumph: The guy had a $10,000 deductible


Holy s**t.
 
2013-10-08 08:50:45 PM
It is simply amazing, no matter how many more realities are revealed about this clusterfark, Obamadrones support it. Cuz Bush. or something.  I don't know.
 
2013-10-08 08:54:53 PM
Also, if you're living in a state that turned down 100% Federal funding to increase the number of people covered by Medicaid, (*cough*NorthCarolina*cough*) you might not qualify for any subsidy because you were supposed to get free health care. Except your Governor is a dick.
 
2013-10-08 09:03:47 PM
I just found out that when I signed up my friends to nmrsnr's Health Insurance, where they pay me $10 a month, and I say that they have health insurance, doesn't actually qualify as "health coverage" under Obamacare. Why does Obama want to strip my friends of their health insurance? I thought he wanted people covered?
 
2013-10-08 09:04:26 PM

what_now: Yeah, there are people who have disaster coverage who will need to pay more to get actual healthcare.


You want to hear something funny? Disaster coverage for a family of four in my state, with a $3500 deductible per person, per year, insurance that we never, ever tapped into, never filed a claim on, was $1200 a month. No, that's not a typo. $1200 a month.

$14,400 a year. More than our mortgage. For nothing. That we never used. Flushed straight down the toilet.

Under Obamacare we will be paying between $500 and $600 a month for decent coverage.
 
2013-10-08 09:20:33 PM
Nice how the leave the subsidy out, as they farking always do.
 
2013-10-08 09:24:57 PM
the numbers quoted in that thing are laughable. Its just another 'hey lets take some random assholes word for shiat' article where they ignore fact and relevent details. File this shiat next to that facebookFacebook rant from the guy who would have had to make half a mil but couldn't afford a few hundred a month.
 
2013-10-08 09:25:06 PM

Irving Maimway: Also, if you're living in a state that turned down 100% Federal funding to increase the number of people covered by Medicaid, (*cough*NorthCarolina*cough*) you might not qualify for any subsidy because you were supposed to get free health care. Except your Governor is a dick.


Point of Order: Your legislature could also be composed of dicks.
 
2013-10-08 09:27:24 PM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: It is simply amazing, no matter how many more realities are revealed about this clusterfark...Cuz Bush. or something.


Yes, yes, I'm sure you were wringing your hands over Medicare Part D, you fretter you.
 
2013-10-08 09:32:58 PM

Somacandra: Lt. Cheese Weasel: It is simply amazing, no matter how many more realities are revealed about this clusterfark...Cuz Bush. or something.

Yes, yes, I'm sure you were wringing your hands over Medicare Part D, you fretter you.


What's up with dairy related troll accounts around here?

Let's have some happy cheese!

zengrrl.com
 
2013-10-08 09:37:48 PM
Its worth noting the second guy would be limited to paying at most 9.5% of their income, so they will be paying 6k less or so than they use to for better insurance. No need to spend 30 seconds googling if you are going to write an article about this, just take some assholes word who says 'well I will have to pay x....'
 
2013-10-08 09:38:18 PM

namegoeshere: what_now: Yeah, there are people who have disaster coverage who will need to pay more to get actual healthcare.

You want to hear something funny? Disaster coverage for a family of four in my state, with a $3500 deductible per person, per year, insurance that we never, ever tapped into, never filed a claim on, was $1200 a month. No, that's not a typo. $1200 a month.

$14,400 a year. More than our mortgage. For nothing. That we never used. Flushed straight down the toilet.

Under Obamacare we will be paying between $500 and $600 a month for decent coverage.




That is...unconscionable. The worst part? If one of your kids got cancer, they would simply have died. The health "insurance" you had wouldn't have covered any of that.
 
2013-10-08 09:47:45 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Try buying it on the open market all by your lonesome, chumley.  It's like being a sardine in the middle of a sea of mackerel.


Those are the people in the article, dumbass.  They are subsidizing the people who couldn't get coverage before.

Today, people who buy individual policies often choose plans without maternity coverage, for example, to reduce premiums. That choice is gone, too.

A 62 year old man wouldn't need maternity coverage, but now he has to pay for it.

It's a clusterfark because it was a boon to insurance companies.  We should have gone completely public, and I'm a conservative.  This is just horseshiat.  It's a forced transfer of money from people who buy insurance and can afford it to people who can't afford it.  Insurance rates are going to jack up considerably for responsible, healthy adults to support poor and unhealthy adults.  That's the way the law was written.  And the profits go to the insurance companies.
 
2013-10-08 09:55:22 PM

Lsherm: Marcus Aurelius: Try buying it on the open market all by your lonesome, chumley.  It's like being a sardine in the middle of a sea of mackerel.

Those are the people in the article, dumbass.  They are subsidizing the people who couldn't get coverage before.

Today, people who buy individual policies often choose plans without maternity coverage, for example, to reduce premiums. That choice is gone, too.

A 62 year old man wouldn't need maternity coverage, but now he has to pay for it.

It's a clusterfark because it was a boon to insurance companies.  We should have gone completely public, and I'm a conservative.  This is just horseshiat.  It's a forced transfer of money from people who buy insurance and can afford it to people who can't afford it.  Insurance rates are going to jack up considerably for responsible, healthy adults to support poor and unhealthy adults.  That's the way the law was written.  And the profits go to the insurance companies.


I'm not sure what your point is here. Are you pissed off that poor people with health problems can get affordable medical care or that the people you voted for are protecting insurance companies?
 
2013-10-08 09:59:08 PM

OnlyM3: But on the plus side, all your medical records are forwarded to law enforcement without a warrant.


No, try again.

Lt. Cheese Weasel: It is simply amazing, no matter how many more realities are revealed about this clusterfark, Obamadrones support it. Cuz Bush. or something.  I don't know.


In states where the state government cooperated with the federal government to roll out the ACA cleanly most ACA plans are cheaper than comparable pre-ACA plans.  In states where the state legislature decided to bury their heads in the sand and pretend it wasn't going to happen, prices may go up.  The obvious solution is for the residents of those states to kick out the douchebag GOP administrations that got them into that mess.
 
2013-10-08 10:04:28 PM

Lsherm: Marcus Aurelius: Try buying it on the open market all by your lonesome, chumley.  It's like being a sardine in the middle of a sea of mackerel.

Those are the people in the article, dumbass.  They are subsidizing the people who couldn't get coverage before.

Today, people who buy individual policies often choose plans without maternity coverage, for example, to reduce premiums. That choice is gone, too.

A 62 year old man wouldn't need maternity coverage, but now he has to pay for it.

It's a clusterfark because it was a boon to insurance companies.  We should have gone completely public, and I'm a conservative.  This is just horseshiat.  It's a forced transfer of money from people who buy insurance and can afford it to people who can't afford it.  Insurance rates are going to jack up considerably for responsible, healthy adults to support poor and unhealthy adults.  That's the way the law was written.  And the profits go to the insurance companies.


Too bad you didn't convince other conservatives. Instead they screamed socialism and we got this
 
2013-10-08 10:10:52 PM

Peter von Nostrand: Lsherm: Marcus Aurelius: Try buying it on the open market all by your lonesome, chumley.  It's like being a sardine in the middle of a sea of mackerel.

Those are the people in the article, dumbass.  They are subsidizing the people who couldn't get coverage before.

Today, people who buy individual policies often choose plans without maternity coverage, for example, to reduce premiums. That choice is gone, too.

A 62 year old man wouldn't need maternity coverage, but now he has to pay for it.

It's a clusterfark because it was a boon to insurance companies.  We should have gone completely public, and I'm a conservative.  This is just horseshiat.  It's a forced transfer of money from people who buy insurance and can afford it to people who can't afford it.  Insurance rates are going to jack up considerably for responsible, healthy adults to support poor and unhealthy adults.  That's the way the law was written.  And the profits go to the insurance companies.

Too bad you didn't convince other conservatives. Instead they screamed socialism and we got this


And yet they're still screaming socialism. It's like their problem isn't really with the ACA at all...
 
2013-10-08 10:14:55 PM

fusillade762: Peter von Nostrand: Lsherm: Marcus Aurelius: Try buying it on the open market all by your lonesome, chumley.  It's like being a sardine in the middle of a sea of mackerel.

Those are the people in the article, dumbass.  They are subsidizing the people who couldn't get coverage before.

Today, people who buy individual policies often choose plans without maternity coverage, for example, to reduce premiums. That choice is gone, too.

A 62 year old man wouldn't need maternity coverage, but now he has to pay for it.

It's a clusterfark because it was a boon to insurance companies.  We should have gone completely public, and I'm a conservative.  This is just horseshiat.  It's a forced transfer of money from people who buy insurance and can afford it to people who can't afford it.  Insurance rates are going to jack up considerably for responsible, healthy adults to support poor and unhealthy adults.  That's the way the law was written.  And the profits go to the insurance companies.

Too bad you didn't convince other conservatives. Instead they screamed socialism and we got this

And yet they're still screaming socialism. It's like their problem isn't really with the ACA at all...


No, it's socialism.  It was always going to BE socialism.

This...is a half-assed attempt.  If you're going socialism, you may as well do it all the way.
 
2013-10-08 10:20:20 PM

SirVagTheTighty: I'm not sure what your point is here. Are you pissed off that poor people with health problems can get affordable medical care or that the people you voted for are protecting insurance companies?


I'm pissed off we went half-assed.  We're just giving money away.

Health care, like the military, isn't a market dependent government service.  It doesn't matter what it costs, we consume it.  So we should take over health care like the military (single-payer) and start lowering costs through the sheer size of the federal government.

This is just a "fark you, I got mine" delivery system for poor people.  The wealthier people who have their own insurance plans outside of employment are going to get the shaft.  fark everyone equally with single payer and at least you're on the same playing field.
 
2013-10-08 10:32:52 PM

Lsherm: SirVagTheTighty: I'm not sure what your point is here. Are you pissed off that poor people with health problems can get affordable medical care or that the people you voted for are protecting insurance companies?

I'm pissed off we went half-assed.  We're just giving money away.

Health care, like the military, isn't a market dependent government service.  It doesn't matter what it costs, we consume it.  So we should take over health care like the military (single-payer) and start lowering costs through the sheer size of the federal government.


I agree, not to mention how much easier it would be to control costs with a single payer system - the costs are whatever the reimbursement amount is, it cuts providers completely out of the pricing equation.
 
2013-10-08 10:55:46 PM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: It is simply amazing, no matter how many more realities are revealed about this clusterfark, Obamadrones support it. Cuz Bush. or something.  I don't know.


I'm still waiting for you guys to find "reality." So far, all you guys have spouted about Obamacare is a bunch of cherry-picked nonsense.
 
2013-10-08 11:22:49 PM
So what where the requirements that these plans didn't meet?

Ah, fark it. That would require reporting. Let's just get some quotes and call it a day.
 
2013-10-08 11:24:15 PM

TuteTibiImperes: OnlyM3: But on the plus side, all your medical records are forwarded to law enforcement without a warrant.

No, try again.


I heard that if you don't pay for insurance, the government puts a lien on your home, and then Obama comes over and cuts up your driver's license.

And then the pegging starts.

Thanks, Obama...?
 
2013-10-08 11:28:48 PM

Shostie: TuteTibiImperes: OnlyM3: But on the plus side, all your medical records are forwarded to law enforcement without a warrant.

No, try again.

I heard that if you don't pay for insurance, the government puts a lien on your home, and then Obama comes over and cuts up your driver's license.

And then the pegging starts.

Thanks, Obama...?


I thought pegging was a good thing?
 
2013-10-08 11:32:49 PM

Via Infinito: Shostie: TuteTibiImperes: OnlyM3: But on the plus side, all your medical records are forwarded to law enforcement without a warrant.

No, try again.

I heard that if you don't pay for insurance, the government puts a lien on your home, and then Obama comes over and cuts up your driver's license.

And then the pegging starts.

Thanks, Obama...?

I thought pegging was a good thing?


Hence the "...?"
 
2013-10-08 11:36:24 PM
Let me put on my Karnak headdress.

OK, it looks like this is another cherry-picked stack of bullshiat that's actually referencing a REALLY shiat plan that has a massive deductible and low benefit caps, plus massive exclusions, right?
 
2013-10-08 11:37:25 PM

Triumph: The guy had a $10,000 deductible. That's why he got cancelled, but it's bullshiat to call him "underinsured" as a way to justify it.


Jesus, really? Why even bother?
 
2013-10-08 11:40:34 PM
Insurance companies acting like suicide bombers because we've treated them to a breathtaking windfall?

Shocked. SHOCKED, I am.
 
2013-10-08 11:40:59 PM

Shostie: Via Infinito: Shostie: TuteTibiImperes: OnlyM3: But on the plus side, all your medical records are forwarded to law enforcement without a warrant.

No, try again.

I heard that if you don't pay for insurance, the government puts a lien on your home, and then Obama comes over and cuts up your driver's license.

And then the pegging starts.

Thanks, Obama...?

I thought pegging was a good thing?

Hence the "...?"


Ahh, right. I heard that you only get to participate in the pegging if you happen to live in a state that chose to expand Medicaid.
 
2013-10-08 11:43:33 PM

unlikely: Obamacare will force you to gay-marry a turtle.


I'm down with some hot cloacal action.
 
2013-10-08 11:45:27 PM

Via Infinito: Ahh, right. I heard that you only get to participate in the pegging if you happen to live in a state that chose to expand Medicaid.

that sells strap-ons.
 
2013-10-08 11:46:36 PM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: It is simply amazing, no matter how many more realities are revealed about this clusterfark, Obamadrones support it. Cuz Bush. or something.  I don't know.


It's really amazing that Republican "leaders" would be so intransigently shortsighted as to deliberately inflict added expenses to their constituents. I suppose we could call it the "Stupid Tax" and it only applies to Red States.
 
2013-10-08 11:46:53 PM
"He and his wife, who is expecting their third child [...]"

"They chose the high-deductible plan to keep their premium low."

"he might be able to qualify for a subsidy"

One of the pluses of any new plan is that it will cover maternity care, which his current plan doesn't. But "is that really worth paying $1,000 a month more for?"


Somebody should just stab this guy in the genitals.
 
2013-10-08 11:48:01 PM

Triumph: The guy had a $10,000 deductible. That's why he got cancelled


It's not because of the $10,000 deductible. There are $10,000 deductible plans available under various state marketplaces.

He said it was for a family plan, given his age & employment status that probably means him & his wife.
Since they're in NC I assume they're both smokers.

NC doesn't have their own marketplace and healthcare.gov plan search thingee is down.

Just for comparison, I picked CO to get a price quote with CO's marketplace.
Family of 2 (I made his wife 61), $10,000 deductible bronze plan through Connect of Health Colorado: about $950/month.
Not 1200 but quite a bit more than $228.
 
2013-10-08 11:48:35 PM
My ex-wife works retail. She pays for insurance. Last year she had a baby. She had to pay $1500 up front to the hospital and is still making payments on the 5k more the delivery cost her.

Funny thing is, I told her she should sign up for an exchange. She wants no part in Obamacare because he is Muslim and supports abortion.


Yeah, her plan will probably go away. It should. She doesn't even realize how useless it is.
 
2013-10-08 11:49:17 PM
Hi! Did someone here say we could start pegging?
 
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