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(St. Petersburg Times)   Snippy flight attendant gives man sharp pokes in the shoulder when he doesn't immediately return his seat to its full upright position   (sptimes.com) divider line 93
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2004-01-17 12:30:20 PM
before we burn this flight attendant... let's remember that the story was written from the side of the passenger... and the fact that other passengers backed him up doesn't mean much unless they are willing to give names and back it up with statements... lots of people are happy to biatch and moan about anything until they're called on it.

I take a lot of flights for work and I HATE the assholes who wait until they're told, *in person*, to put their seat up... or the people who after hearing the fasten belt announcement decide that at that very moment they need to get up and go into the overhead, or take a piss...

Basically these people are one of two things:

1) Assholes who want petty control over others and their environment

2) Morons

Just sit on the farking plane, keep your mouth shut and that's it! If they tell you to put the farking tray up, just do it! don't make a hassle...

I've never had a problem w/ a FA, but I have been rammed in the elbow with the drink cart once or twice...
 
2004-01-17 12:30:35 PM
Should swear out a complaint of assault on the guy and sue him and the airline as well. Not in the expectation of actually prevailing but just to make his life as miserable as possible and to let his employer see what a liability he is. Hiring some goons to beat the hell out of him in the airport parking lot wouldn't be bad either.
 
2004-01-17 12:31:43 PM
vento

How DARE you muddy this perfectly good debate with facts and eyewitness accounts?!?!

;-)

Just kidding. Very interesting. This is another reason I'm doing everything I can to avoid flying.
 
2004-01-17 12:33:18 PM
maglite

Thanks! I just KNEW that, despite multiple eyewitness accounts corroborating the passenger's story, and the official ruling of the law enforcement involved that the F.A. was out of line, there would be SOME jerk who would pop up with the "well, he must have done SOMETHING to deserve it!" argument.

Heaven forbid my opinion of the Fark population should ever be allowed to rise.
 
2004-01-17 12:37:22 PM
Crew rage. Been there. On an Amtrak trip years ago, with my rugrat, who was gumming an animal cracker. Crew member accosts me about 'bringing my own food into the club car.' He gets so rude and loud that total strangers come to my defense. I complained to the conductor. Was met at the next stop by local police. Thank God those total strangers continued to defend me, or I'd have been arrested on a federal charge. I might even have lost my $1000 bill.
 
2004-01-17 12:39:20 PM
WizardX

I still think Saddam is just a poor misunderstood soul who was manipulated by the US Government. :)
 
JPN
2004-01-17 12:40:47 PM
maglite,

sounds like you should be a flight attendant. ya know, so you can "poke" people...

simple solution: flight attendant pokes you, stay cool and wait for the sumbiatch to get off the plane. asswhuppin ensues.
 
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2004-01-17 12:43:18 PM
Thanks for the link VENTO, interesting. Hopefully the flight attendant (waiter) got trick rolled later that evening.
 
2004-01-17 12:48:41 PM
It would have been all i could do not to beat the living snot out of this flight attendant. The Fed Pen sentance would have forced me to rely on suing him, the airline, and anyone else i could get my hands on.
 
2004-01-17 12:51:47 PM
More like . I hate people who lean their seat back in front of me. How farking rude.
 
2004-01-17 12:55:45 PM
Not-a-Girl

Yeah, read the article at all? You'll notice police checked his breath, and they didn't file charges against him.

Pretty sure the guy wasn't drunk, since they dismissed the complaint against him.

The tosser is the damned attendant who needs to have his ass beat.
 
2004-01-17 12:56:32 PM
This complaint has no merit.
Warning is clearly displayed on all US Spair tray tables.

Warning: Failure to raise seat backs and tray tables to the FULL upright and locked position may summon the ire of finger poking flight crew.
 
2004-01-17 12:56:37 PM
Hey, leaving my seat back won't hurt me, it only the hurts the guy behind me if there's a sudden stop. So poke him!
 
2004-01-17 01:03:15 PM
daredeviltravis Can I have some of what you're smokin?

please..?
 
2004-01-17 01:05:27 PM


You make the choice - Kathie Lee or Suzen, the flight attendant!
 
2004-01-17 01:09:13 PM
Wait a sec... I'm all confused. How could the stewardess be a dude?
 
2004-01-17 01:16:52 PM
Sky High Airlines - A really funny spoof site by Alaska Airlines.
 
2004-01-17 01:17:16 PM
Nice way to treat a First Class passenger.
Buh Bye.

The last time (thankfully) I flew in USAir, my connecting flight was 40 minutes delayed. I just made it on the flight running through the Charlotte Airport like OJ in the old Hertz commercials. I got to the plane and there's a USAir stewardess (in uniform) sitting in my assigned seat. They gave the seat away because of the delay. I showed her my boarding pass, but she just gave me this LOOK like "Fark off Jack" and wasn't budging. I found another seat, no thanks to the other stewardesses.

They don't call it "dead-heading" for nothing.
 
2004-01-17 01:21:24 PM
I agree with Nightsweat--any flight attendent who did this to me might pull back a bloody nub, depending upon my mood.
 
2004-01-17 01:43:13 PM
Here's to giving up our freedom and dignity to combat those who would force us to give up our freedom and dignity.
 
2004-01-17 01:45:36 PM
"But seriously, the flight attendant was way over the line. 3, 2, 1, You're Fired!"

It should be 3,2,1 you're going to jail.

This person made a false police report about something that is a lot more serious than saying that you lost a lottery ticket. This USAir Flight attendant is in a position of authority and abused it. This attendant should be fired yes, but interfering with a flight crew is a crime these days... calling the cops and falsly accusing this passenger should be taken very seriously. I'd be satisfied with 6 months in jail for this flight attendant along with loss of job. With new authority comes new responsibility. In this case, lying is a crime.
 
2004-01-17 01:50:49 PM
seriously, how hard can a limp wrist steward poke you in the shoulder?..... go fetch me a five dollar Heineken and leave me alone.
 
2004-01-17 02:06:36 PM
Steward should be fired for abuse of authority, and arrested for assault.

If I was provoked in that way, I would have cracked him in the farking teeth and given the police a good reason to arrest me!
 
2004-01-17 02:07:11 PM
I've had a totally different experience with male flight attendants. On one flight, the guy kept smiling at me and giving me "the look". Since I'm not homophobic, I didn't really freak out, just felt odd that I was giving off some gay-vibe.

Another flight, a guy kept giving me extra food, multiple packets of pretzels. Funny stuff :) I didn't mind it. Though what he said just before I left made me laugh off my ass: COME AGAIN
 
2004-01-17 02:12:43 PM
Poke me like that, in the same situation, and you get a broken finger. Damn the consequences, and damn the Wright brothers!
 
2004-01-17 02:20:49 PM
Dumbass steward was probably to stupid to be a pilot. So he thought the next best thing was to be a plane waiter.

"This is my plane! You do as I say"

boo farking hoo
 
2004-01-17 02:23:39 PM
They were poking me while flying... I have passport in hand and they still poke me...

I am not a camel............

 
2004-01-17 02:33:29 PM
Screw flying..road trip anyone?
 
2004-01-17 02:44:50 PM
I don't pick fights with flight attendants. They have weapons: they can bash your knee with the drink cart and they can dump coffee on you.

My sister-in-law is a flight attendant. Some guy was being a horrific jerk so she dumped a coke on him. Then when she went to wipe him up she accidentally removed his toupee. He reported her. When she got called onto the carpet she told the story and all her airline supervisors thought it was hilarious and sent her back to work.
 
2004-01-17 03:08:54 PM
This is exactly while I wont be flying for a long time. The next time I fly, I will be behind the controls.

I mean between the nightmare stories I hear about airport security searches, the fact that people are still getting stuff onto the planes anyway, and then you have to deal with this kind of condesending shiat from an insecure gay flight attentandt. I don't think so. I'm with DoorsFanRob on my travel aragements.

/doenst travel anyways
 
2004-01-17 03:10:42 PM
He said he felt "a real poke" in the shoulder, looked up and heard the flight attendant demand that he raise the seat completely. "I was astounded," McLeod said. "I told him, "Okay, but don't touch me.' I was offended."

What a sissy.
 
2004-01-17 03:20:28 PM
The passenger was probably an asshole and said something like "I'll put it up when I damn well want to" which the article conveniently left out. I have no doubt.
 
2004-01-17 03:21:00 PM
Hey gobabo,
Wouldn't you be astounded if your waiter poked you? Is isn't sissified to be astounded. I'll bet you are astounded 90% of the time.
 
2004-01-17 03:35:59 PM
I don't know of any other job where the cops are almost always automatically ready to arrest the customer, or where the service reps (attendants in this case) are so call-the-cops-happy. What's next, getting thrown in jail because you complained to the Starbucks clerk that your coffee was cold? These days, you're out of luck if you don't like what some business tells you to do. And now, apparently even if no one's actually gotten hurt, they go screaming to the cops, who have better things to do, and I'm not talking about pulling people over who were doing 5 over the limit, either.

While I understand well that there are bad customers, and in those cases it's understandable that service reps might be upset, there are also cases where the rep takes out a bad day on someone who probably didn't do anything wrong, or not all that much. In this case it looks like the guy was asleep. I know I'm not very quick to wake up and once I wake up a bit more I'm more capable of listening to other people. But if somebody I don't know starts poking and prodding at me, of course I'm going to be annoyed, and of course I'm going to complain, though politely (I'm not the sort to go off on reps just to be an ass) if they do it again just for spite.

I do think that that second poke was grounds for assault and battery, especially if the guy had witnesses, which it appears he did. Depending on the guy's attitude, I would have told the cops I wante to file assault and battery charges ... and it seems like this guy was just asking for it.

I'm not surprised most airlines, in the US at least, are losing money. Bad service (here in STL we lost over half of our daily scheduled flights late last year, never mind American swore it wouldn't screw over TWA when it bought it), higher prices despite having screwed us over, rude representatives, taking away food and drink choices without lowering their prices a bit to make up for it, rude attendants... people don't want to take that kind of crap, so they go where they don't feel so abused. Getting treated like a criminal when you just want to see friends or family doesn't help, either. It's easier to just take the train or drive, either using your own car or taking out a rental. Once airlines and airports and police, etc. realize this and do more to make people feel more comfortable, things just might get better. Paying attendants more to make them feel like they're appreciated, or heck, just doing things to make them feel appreciated more than just overworked and used, would make them behave better toward customers, at least in some cases, and those customers might be more willing to come back to the same company. Repeat business = more profits.
 
2004-01-17 06:56:14 PM
US Air is a shiatty airline anyways. Both times I've flown with them, it's been a horrible experience. They lost my luggage once, and both times had crappy service.

I agree with all the people who say flight attendents are on a power trip these days. In this new paranoid age of air travel, they think they are gods of the sky or some shiat. The stewardess' (so what if he was a male...all the male ones are gay anyhow) behavior was unacceptable. Poke me once, get a warning. Poke me twice, lose a finger.

Traveling is such a hassle these days. I'm glad us middle-aged white guys always get selected for 'random' searches, because god knows, it's us who hijack airlines and fly them into buildings. We couldn't possibly offend the group where 99.9% of said hijackers come from. Besides, there will never be another Sept 11-like hijacking. Passengers won't stand for it.

/wandering off topic
 
2004-01-17 08:05:32 PM
The flight attendant should be arrested for making a false statement. Any flight personnel who abuse the power they have to have people removed from a flight should be arrested the same way a truly disruptive passenger would be.
 
2004-01-17 09:37:18 PM
fark it.

Simplest solution: MAKE IT SO THE DAMN SEATS DON'T RECLINE ANYMORE.

I'm sick of inconsiderate people reclining so far back that the seat is literally about 6 inches in front of my face.

Amtrak should do this, too. There's just no good reason to have reclining seats.
 
2004-01-17 10:37:43 PM
No wonder U.S. Airways is on its deathbed-- Although Delta deserves to be biatchslapped for cancelling his original flight.

I would have said, "I'd like to speak to the purser or the captain at the gate, and if you poke me again, I'm going to be the one pressing charges." Their plastic wings do not entitle flight attendants to manhandle pax. If they really want to save their airline, their attitudes towards passangers must change or they're going to find themselves out of work without any sympathy from me whatsoever.

Gelatinous: Fly AA or Southwest-- they have the best pitch (distance between rows of seats) in economy class. Better yet, fly first class if the recliners bother you that much.
 
2004-01-17 10:44:24 PM
Do all news stories have to contain a reference to September 11th, 2001?
 
2004-01-17 11:02:26 PM
dramatools: Although Delta deserves to be biatchslapped for cancelling...

Interesting... Fark corrected my "misspelling" of "biatchslapped." Is the source code for that filter available? I can think of a lot of places where that could be handy.

And, so I don't get accused of threadjacking:

Raptor_1.4G: Unfortunately, yes. September 11, 2001 was the day when the entire world went to hell in a handbasket. Rest in peace WTC employees, roast in hell Osama bin Lardass.
 
2004-01-18 01:59:03 AM
dramatools

Thanks for the tip. I also think that I'm going to try to request an exit row as often as possible from now on.

I still just don't think it's right to have seats that do that, but I guess airlines have to do whatever sells tickets.....
 
2004-01-18 02:42:01 AM
control

Your sister-in-law, the biatch, should be fired for that bullshat.

I'm not saying the guy needed to be a jerk, but, goddammit, where do people WHO ARE BEING PAID TO PROVIDE A SERVICE get off thinking that they can screw with people?

If you're a flight attendant, you're paid to attend to the passengers on that flight. If the guy is being a jerk, service with a smile, and he goes on his way.

Politely ask him to can it, or ignore him.

I swear to god, if that had happened to me, there would have been police waiting at the airport.

Passengers pay for the tickets, which, in turn, pay the salaries of the airline employees. You don't like jerks on airplanes? Find another job, whore.
 
2004-01-18 04:27:28 AM
Gelatinous: As one business traveler to another, no problem. Besides, in the summer Southwest's flight attendants often wear shorts <smirk>.
 
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