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(BBC)   And for once a tale of lost Doctor Who episodes being found ends up actually living up to the claim   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 76
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2013-10-09 12:52:48 AM

b0rscht: Not sure if glad. After becoming a fan of the new Who I decided to go back to the very first episode and work my way forward. I'm about 1/3 the way through Hartnell. SO PAINFUL. I've even watched a couple of the reconstructed ones, where they show stills and the audio track is from some dude in Tanzania who recorded it off the telly 47 years ago with a can and a string. The one where they smeared vaseline on the camera lens to make the bee-costume-people planet seem more spooky just about did me in.


The third doctor gets good and the fourth is just awesome, but be prepared to think about the doctor as a sarcastic Sherlock Holmes style solver of mysteries, where the special effects are sort of secondary to dialogue. The doctor wasn't meant to be the violent pissant he has become since his tenth regeneration.
 
2013-10-09 12:57:35 AM
They could actually pull off having Baker show up if they pull him out of time during the events of The Leisure Hive, where he is prematurely aged.
 
2013-10-09 01:29:17 AM
Here's what I've been told we're getting:

(A) On Thursday BBC Worldwide will officially announce the recovery, but may not tell us everything that's been found.  Some negotiations may still be ongoing.

(B) They will also announce the immediate (or nearly immediate) release of 9 episodes for digital download via iTunes and (hopefully) other sources.

(C) The 9 episodes likely to be announced on Thursday are the 5 missing episodes of Enemy of the World, and 4 of the 5 missing episodes of Web of Fear.

(D) There are definitely more than that recovered; part 3 of Web of Fear needs more restoration, and there was an "oops" moment with the digital transfers of all of Marco Polo, so it needs to be redone.

(E) DVD releases will be forthcoming, but may not make it by year's end.

I'm not too clear on the exact total number of recovered episodes, but I'm hearing solid information that it will be in the vicinity of 40.
 
2013-10-09 01:31:34 AM
Cool.  That's much easier than reconstructing archival footage from end-user footage and reconstruction, which is kind of a biatch.

Bennie Crabtree: The doctor wasn't meant to be the violent pissant he has become since his tenth regeneration.


The first Doctor spent like half his time stranding the companions in random historical periods with the intent to abandon them, or intentionally putting them in situations that would get them killed because he wanted to get rid of them.

The most recent Doctors being kind of douchebags (with the exception of , I think, 9?) was more a "return to form" than a dramatic new direction.  The genocidal tendencies go back to the first guy, too.
 
2013-10-09 01:45:11 AM

Bennie Crabtree: The third doctor gets good and the fourth is just awesome, but be prepared to think about the doctor as a sarcastic Sherlock Holmes style solver of mysteries, where the special effects are sort of secondary to dialogue. The doctor wasn't meant to be the violent pissant he has become since his tenth regeneration.

www.bfi.org.uk


You called?
 
2013-10-09 02:57:06 AM
chascarrillo:

[www.bfi.org.uk image 590x455]

You called?


Isn't that a Blake's 7 gun?
 
2013-10-09 02:57:57 AM

Dwight_Yeast: FrancoFile: The effects, in general, sucked back then.
But there is some awesome writing in the 4th doctor's stories - especially the mystery-laden ones. Talons of Weng-Chiang, Pyramids of Mars, Robot, The Brain of Morbius. And Genesis of the Daleks is an all-time top 10 episode.

So what you're saying is you really like Douglas Adams.



Nice try but Douglas Adams had nothing to do with those episodes. He came in later and his best contributions were The Pirate Planet and City Of Death.

/ It would be more accurate to say he likes Phillip Hinchcliffe and Robert Holmes. Best period of classic Who and still holds up very well if you can forgive the effects.
 
2013-10-09 03:06:31 AM
DemonEater:  So they're all involved somehow.

So they're doing stuff, but may not necessarily be in the episode itself.


Sylvester McCoy was one of the guests of honor at the Las Vegas Comic Expo this year. He held and incredibly entertaining Doctor Who panel. The man really knows how to light up a stage with his personality (which was fortunate since the young lady moderating the panel was clearly out of her depth). He mentioned that he was contributing 'something' for the Doctor Who 50th anniversary. He couldn't say what it was but it was definitely 'something'.

/ Can't stand McCoy's Who episodes but the man is a natural performer and very personable so I don't hold it against him. The show was beyond hope at that point.
 
2013-10-09 03:45:45 AM
Fantastic news. I'm quite fond of the black and white era of Doctor Who. I like the characters and I like the stories. The generally ropey look of it doesn't bother me at all. I find myself approaching them the way I do theatre. In order to appreciate it I have to become more engaged and have to suspend my disbelief to a much greater degree to deliberately not see the man behind the mask.

That and I'm not much of a fan of the new ones. I've seen a few and while I can appreciate that they are quite good I just can't seem to find the same excitement and childlike wonder that I get from the classics. I'm sure I'll get around to watching them some day but can't say that I'm in any particular hurry to do so the way I am these newly discovered ones, whichever they are.
 
2013-10-09 05:44:39 AM

TV's Vinnie: Lalla Ward used to age quite nicely up until she married Richard Hawkins, and, well.........

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They could actually switch wigs and you'd not know who was who now.


I had the privilege of interviewing The Honourable (and Lovely) Lalla Ward back in the 1980s for my college radio station.

Frankly, I was never a fan of hers until I actually met her in person. She is lovely and intelligent and to this day I have
a copy of her book BEASTLY KNITS that she gave me.
 
2013-10-09 08:25:02 AM
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2013-10-09 09:19:33 AM

Rozotorical: Coco LaFemme: I started watching the show during the Nu!Who era, but I've since watched probably dozens episodes from the 1970s and 80s, and if I had to rank my favorite Doctors, it would go Tennant, Baker, Pertwee, Eccleston, then Smith as the Top 5.  Peter Davison would be just barely below Smith at #6.

You ranked Tennant above Baker and Pertwee?



That's right, I did.  You'll get over it, I'm sure.  I happen to really like his portrayal of the character.  You obviously didn't.  That doesn't make either of us right or wrong....just means we see it differently.
 
2013-10-09 09:25:33 AM

Coco LaFemme: He's a damn good actor, even outside of Doctor Who. I think some of his episodes were a bit crap, but then quite a lot of them were really good. I wouldn't say that was his fault necessarily, he's only as good as the scripts he's given to work with. I still say Blink and Midnight are two of the best episodes of the entire Nu!Who era.


You know that one of the best episodes you mentioned doesn't really have him in it, right?
 
2013-10-09 09:41:17 AM

mjbok: Coco LaFemme: He's a damn good actor, even outside of Doctor Who. I think some of his episodes were a bit crap, but then quite a lot of them were really good. I wouldn't say that was his fault necessarily, he's only as good as the scripts he's given to work with. I still say Blink and Midnight are two of the best episodes of the entire Nu!Who era.

You know that one of the best episodes you mentioned doesn't really have him in it, right?


REALLY?!!!111!!?!  ZOMG IT'S LIKE I'VE NEVER WATCHED AN EPISODE OF DOCTOR WHO EVER!!11!!11!

Blink and Midnight both were part of Tennant's run, both were two of the best episodes since 2005.  I'm missing the retarded point you're trying to make.  The fact he was hardly in Blink doesn't negate my opinion that he's the best of the 11 Doctors so far, nor does it negate my opinion that it's one of the best episodes since the reboot.  It doesn't matter if he had 5 minutes of face time or 50 -- it's still really, really good writing from Steven Moffat.
 
2013-10-09 10:37:40 AM

Coco LaFemme: I'm missing the retarded point you're trying to make. The fact he was hardly in Blink doesn't negate my opinion that he's the best of the 11 Doctors so far, nor does it negate my opinion that it's one of the best episodes since the reboot. It doesn't matter if he had 5 minutes of face time or 50 -- it's still really, really good writing from Steven Moffat.


I was just pointing out that you stated that Blink is one of the best episodes since the reboot (you're right), but using that as evidence of Tennant being a good actor is dumb, since he is little more than a glorified extra in it.

I disliked Tennant's Doctor for two reasons:  Rose's herpetic inability to go away for good and his "acting with his teeth" method.

I'm a fan from way back (and met 2-6 in person), but find the new series hit and miss.  When it's good, it's very good, but I hate some of the new stuff (especially the ignoring or outright changing of canon).

//You're entitled to your opinion, but my point was hardly retarded.  If anything your inclusion of Blink as reason's why Tennant is the best Doctor is much more fundamentally retarded than the statement I made.
 
2013-10-09 11:38:00 AM

mjbok: Coco LaFemme: I'm missing the retarded point you're trying to make. The fact he was hardly in Blink doesn't negate my opinion that he's the best of the 11 Doctors so far, nor does it negate my opinion that it's one of the best episodes since the reboot. It doesn't matter if he had 5 minutes of face time or 50 -- it's still really, really good writing from Steven Moffat.

I was just pointing out that you stated that Blink is one of the best episodes since the reboot (you're right), but using that as evidence of Tennant being a good actor is dumb, since he is little more than a glorified extra in it.

I disliked Tennant's Doctor for two reasons:  Rose's herpetic inability to go away for good and his "acting with his teeth" method.


Late Tennant is rather annoying, mostly due to the Mary Sue nature of the writing, but I would say that
his first season stands up well against Baker or Pertwee as far as quality.

And before she disappeared into the parallel Earth the first time, Rose was probably my favorite
companion ever. Your analysis, though is spot on: she should have stayed away but obviously RTD was
far too in love with her.
 
2013-10-09 01:40:14 PM

DjangoStonereaver: And before she disappeared into the parallel Earth the first time, Rose was probably my favorite
companion ever. Your analysis, though is spot on: she should have stayed away but obviously RTD was
far too in love with her.


When she opened an episode with a voice over talking about this is the day she dies, I was really happy, only to have my hopes dashed that she met an Adric-like fate.
 
2013-10-09 01:43:03 PM

DjangoStonereaver: mjbok: Coco LaFemme: I'm missing the retarded point you're trying to make. The fact he was hardly in Blink doesn't negate my opinion that he's the best of the 11 Doctors so far, nor does it negate my opinion that it's one of the best episodes since the reboot. It doesn't matter if he had 5 minutes of face time or 50 -- it's still really, really good writing from Steven Moffat.

I was just pointing out that you stated that Blink is one of the best episodes since the reboot (you're right), but using that as evidence of Tennant being a good actor is dumb, since he is little more than a glorified extra in it.

I disliked Tennant's Doctor for two reasons:  Rose's herpetic inability to go away for good and his "acting with his teeth" method.

Late Tennant is rather annoying, mostly due to the Mary Sue nature of the writing, but I would say that
his first season stands up well against Baker or Pertwee as far as quality.

And before she disappeared into the parallel Earth the first time, Rose was probably my favorite
companion ever. Your analysis, though is spot on: she should have stayed away but obviously RTD was
far too in love with her.


Rose was a top tier companion initially and was the center piece to RTD vision of Dr Who.   I think RTD was more to blame with Rose later story arcs of crap personally. RTD did a lot of good things for Dr. Who, but I think pretty much everyone can agree after the first series the less he had to do with the show the better the show got.


My top 10 Companions in no particular order:

Jo
Zoe
Jamie
Sarah Jane
Leela
Ace
K9
Rose
Tegan
Amy Pond
 
2013-10-09 01:58:06 PM

Coco LaFemme: Rozotorical: Coco LaFemme: I started watching the show during the Nu!Who era, but I've since watched probably dozens episodes from the 1970s and 80s, and if I had to rank my favorite Doctors, it would go Tennant, Baker, Pertwee, Eccleston, then Smith as the Top 5.  Peter Davison would be just barely below Smith at #6.

You ranked Tennant above Baker and Pertwee?


That's right, I did.  You'll get over it, I'm sure.  I happen to really like his portrayal of the character.  You obviously didn't.  That doesn't make either of us right or wrong....just means we see it differently.


Wait, wait of course MY opinion is right.

I think Tennant was just a bad fit for the role in my opinion, but how much of that was inconsistent writing how much was David? Hard to say.  Blink and Midnight were two of my favorite and I think Tennant in Silence of the library was enjoyable. So there may be something said about quality of writing and Tennant's relativity small acting toolbox adding up to me wanting to punch the guy.

Or it could be because he is better looking then me and I subconsciously resent all people who are prettier then I am.
 
2013-10-09 03:53:03 PM

Rozotorical: DjangoStonereaver: mjbok: Coco LaFemme: I'm missing the retarded point you're trying to make. The fact he was hardly in Blink doesn't negate my opinion that he's the best of the 11 Doctors so far, nor does it negate my opinion that it's one of the best episodes since the reboot. It doesn't matter if he had 5 minutes of face time or 50 -- it's still really, really good writing from Steven Moffat.

I was just pointing out that you stated that Blink is one of the best episodes since the reboot (you're right), but using that as evidence of Tennant being a good actor is dumb, since he is little more than a glorified extra in it.

I disliked Tennant's Doctor for two reasons:  Rose's herpetic inability to go away for good and his "acting with his teeth" method.

Late Tennant is rather annoying, mostly due to the Mary Sue nature of the writing, but I would say that
his first season stands up well against Baker or Pertwee as far as quality.

And before she disappeared into the parallel Earth the first time, Rose was probably my favorite
companion ever. Your analysis, though is spot on: she should have stayed away but obviously RTD was
far too in love with her.

Rose was a top tier companion initially and was the center piece to RTD vision of Dr Who.   I think RTD was more to blame with Rose later story arcs of crap personally. RTD did a lot of good things for Dr. Who, but I think pretty much everyone can agree after the first series the less he had to do with the show the better the show got.


My top 10 Companions in no particular order:

Jo
Zoe
Jamie
Sarah Jane
Leela
Ace
K9
Rose
Tegan
Amy Pond


What? Really? Jo Grant?
well everyone is entitled to an opinion I suppose.
I would say

1-Sarah Jane Smith (this should not be a debate)
2-Jamie McCrimmon (this also should not be a debate)
3-Romana(I-II)(First companion to be a true equal to the doctor, yet still somehow a  damsel in distress)
4-Zoe Heriot (Potentially smarter than the Doctor but without being all Adricy)
5-Donna Noble(Went from being shrill fishwife to the most human companion to timelord back to fishwife, love her or hate her she had the most complete arc of any NU-who companion)
6-Leela- ( Eliza Doolittle stand-in but showed us what a female companion that could fight and hold her own could look like)
7-K9 - (Was what to the Baker years what the sonic screwdriver has become to Nu-who, but come on...its K9)
8-Rory Williams (Again an amazing growth arc from dopey Mickey like boyfriend to Rory the Roman, Amy had her moments but never really changed)
9-Tegan Jovanka (She is the Donna of the old who. There are times you wish she would just shut up, but especially after the Mara she really comes into her own and you are sad to see her go)
10-Capt Jack Harkness  Rogue to hero again not to mention the cool factor.
 
2013-10-09 05:01:38 PM

onzmadi: Rozotorical: DjangoStonereaver: mjbok: Coco LaFemme: I'm missing the retarded point you're trying to make. The fact he was hardly in Blink doesn't negate my opinion that he's the best of the 11 Doctors so far, nor does it negate my opinion that it's one of the best episodes since the reboot. It doesn't matter if he had 5 minutes of face time or 50 -- it's still really, really good writing from Steven Moffat.

I was just pointing out that you stated that Blink is one of the best episodes since the reboot (you're right), but using that as evidence of Tennant being a good actor is dumb, since he is little more than a glorified extra in it.

I disliked Tennant's Doctor for two reasons:  Rose's herpetic inability to go away for good and his "acting with his teeth" method.

Late Tennant is rather annoying, mostly due to the Mary Sue nature of the writing, but I would say that
his first season stands up well against Baker or Pertwee as far as quality.

And before she disappeared into the parallel Earth the first time, Rose was probably my favorite
companion ever. Your analysis, though is spot on: she should have stayed away but obviously RTD was
far too in love with her.

Rose was a top tier companion initially and was the center piece to RTD vision of Dr Who.   I think RTD was more to blame with Rose later story arcs of crap personally. RTD did a lot of good things for Dr. Who, but I think pretty much everyone can agree after the first series the less he had to do with the show the better the show got.


My top 10 Companions in no particular order:

Jo
Zoe
Jamie
Sarah Jane
Leela
Ace
K9
Rose
Tegan
Amy Pond

What? Really? Jo Grant?
well everyone is entitled to an opinion I suppose.
I would say

1-Sarah Jane Smith (this should not be a debate)
2-Jamie McCrimmon (this also should not be a debate)
3-Romana(I-II)(First companion to be a true equal to the doctor, yet still somehow a  damsel in distress)
4-Zoe Heriot (Potentially smarter than the Doctor but without being all Adri ...


Yeah I Like Jo a lot, I think Pertwee and Jo were a really good fit. She wasn't just the typical stand and scream leading lady. I also enjoyed how stubborn she was at time. She was a pre-Sarah Jane ,Sarah Jane in my head.
 
2013-10-09 07:06:32 PM

onzmadi: 9-Tegan Jovanka (She is the Donna of the old who. There are times you wish she would just shut up, but especially after the Mara she really comes into her own and you are sad to see her go)


Really?  I think she is the only companion the Doctor (post Hartnell) openly despised.
 
2013-10-09 08:08:16 PM

Rozotorical: Yeah I Like Jo a lot, I think Pertwee and Jo were a really good fit. She wasn't just the typical stand and scream leading lady. I also enjoyed how stubborn she was at time. She was a pre-Sarah Jane ,Sarah Jane in my head.



never liked that ham-fisted bun vendor.  she always seemed like the ditz especially compared to the surrounding companions of zoe, liz and sarah jane
 
2013-10-09 11:09:38 PM

mjbok: onzmadi: 9-Tegan Jovanka (She is the Donna of the old who. There are times you wish she would just shut up, but especially after the Mara she really comes into her own and you are sad to see her go)

Really?  I think she is the only companion the Doctor (post Hartnell) openly despised.


upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-10-09 11:11:12 PM

mjbok: onzmadi: 9-Tegan Jovanka (She is the Donna of the old who. There are times you wish she would just shut up, but especially after the Mara she really comes into her own and you are sad to see her go)

Really?  I think she is the only companion the Doctor (post Hartnell) openly despised.


...I read that comment incorrectly, but have decided that, given his outcome, I'm going to keep with "The Doctor despised him."
 
2013-10-10 12:15:34 AM
Seriously, with the number of censorship situations and harsh exchanges that I've heard about on the forums, the whole saga can be summed up by this.

/So the number may at least be 60-70 based on that much drama
//Hoping for minimum 90
 
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