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(BBC)   And for once a tale of lost Doctor Who episodes being found ends up actually living up to the claim   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 76
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2013-10-08 05:20:07 PM  
Cyberman was missing?  I -know- I saw that on a PBS broadcast in the mid 80's.
 
2013-10-08 05:25:47 PM  
Wow. I know I said earlier in the week that this was likely a hoax like over the summer, but if the BBC is reporting that episodes are found...

But it's definitely not 106 episodes, though, according to the Guardian.
 
2013-10-08 05:54:40 PM  

ekdikeo4: Cyberman was missing?  I -know- I saw that on a PBS broadcast in the mid 80's.


It was missing, and showed up 20 years ago.
 
2013-10-08 05:58:01 PM  
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2013-10-08 06:20:47 PM  
Not sure if glad. After becoming a fan of the new Who I decided to go back to the very first episode and work my way forward. I'm about 1/3 the way through Hartnell. SO PAINFUL. I've even watched a couple of the reconstructed ones, where they show stills and the audio track is from some dude in Tanzania who recorded it off the telly 47 years ago with a can and a string. The one where they smeared vaseline on the camera lens to make the bee-costume-people planet seem more spooky just about did me in.
 
2013-10-08 06:22:15 PM  
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2013-10-08 06:23:06 PM  
I was SOOO Ready for this to be another hoax

Wow, I am genuinely very happy!
 
2013-10-08 06:24:12 PM  
Are they the ones with the Scottish red-head or the brunette with the nice rack?
 
2013-10-08 06:26:50 PM  

b0rscht: Not sure if glad. After becoming a fan of the new Who I decided to go back to the very first episode and work my way forward. I'm about 1/3 the way through Hartnell. SO PAINFUL. I've even watched a couple of the reconstructed ones, where they show stills and the audio track is from some dude in Tanzania who recorded it off the telly 47 years ago with a can and a string. The one where they smeared vaseline on the camera lens to make the bee-costume-people planet seem more spooky just about did me in.


The effects, in general, sucked back then.
But there is some awesome writing in the 4th doctor's stories - especially the mystery-laden ones.  Talons of Weng-Chiang, Pyramids of Mars, Robot, The Brain of Morbius.  And Genesis of the Daleks is an all-time top 10 episode.
 
2013-10-08 06:29:51 PM  

FrancoFile: b0rscht: Not sure if glad. After becoming a fan of the new Who I decided to go back to the very first episode and work my way forward. I'm about 1/3 the way through Hartnell. SO PAINFUL. I've even watched a couple of the reconstructed ones, where they show stills and the audio track is from some dude in Tanzania who recorded it off the telly 47 years ago with a can and a string. The one where they smeared vaseline on the camera lens to make the bee-costume-people planet seem more spooky just about did me in.

The effects, in general, sucked back then.
But there is some awesome writing in the 4th doctor's stories - especially the mystery-laden ones.  Talons of Weng-Chiang, Pyramids of Mars, Robot, The Brain of Morbius.  And Genesis of the Daleks is an all-time top 10 episode.


Sorry.  Robots of Death.  Not Robot.
 
2013-10-08 06:32:58 PM  
Uh oh, this actually *isn't* a good thing, as it establishes a fixed point in time.
 
2013-10-08 06:35:54 PM  

Shadow Blasko: I was SOOO Ready for this to be another hoax

Wow, I am genuinely very happy!


If not hoax, I was expecting at least a let down. Obviously glad to be wrong.
Might have to add this to my Christmas list.
 
2013-10-08 06:42:46 PM  
Did they find them in the same place where the Ark of the Covenant was supposed to be?

'Cause that would be cool to find in Ethiopia also.
 
2013-10-08 06:57:44 PM  

foo monkey: Are they the ones with the Scottish red-head or the brunette with the nice rack?


Hopefully there are more with Zoe. Because, you know...

1.bp.blogspot.com

DAT ASS.
 
2013-10-08 07:03:09 PM  
BBC Worldwide is expected to confirm the find at a press screening in London later this week.

Anybody else have a problem with this wording?
/It sounds like BBC News is just passing along a rumor...
 
2013-10-08 07:06:19 PM  
Man, I've always said that I won't believe new episode rumors until I'm actually watching them, but this...this is something else.

I am still a little worried, like Fursecution, that BBC News is just passing off reports from other news sites.  They are a separate branch from BBC Worldwide, so this isn't necessarily a confirmation, especially since they're not reporting anything we haven't heard before.
 
2013-10-08 07:25:21 PM  

flaminio: foo monkey: Are they the ones with the Scottish red-head or the brunette with the nice rack?

Hopefully there are more with Zoe. Because, you know...

img.fark.net

DAT ASS.


Fine as she was (and still is, actually: she has aged very well), I was always more a Romana I and Leela guy myself.

Romana I:

geeksville.files.wordpress.com

RIP 2012 due to cancer, alas.  Young too (age 62)

Leela:

sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net

Though her costume in TALONS OF WEN CHIANG was also quite interesting:

www.shadowlocked.com

dailypop.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-10-08 07:29:17 PM  

FrancoFile: b0rscht: Not sure if glad. After becoming a fan of the new Who I decided to go back to the very first episode and work my way forward. I'm about 1/3 the way through Hartnell. SO PAINFUL. I've even watched a couple of the reconstructed ones, where they show stills and the audio track is from some dude in Tanzania who recorded it off the telly 47 years ago with a can and a string. The one where they smeared vaseline on the camera lens to make the bee-costume-people planet seem more spooky just about did me in.

The effects, in general, sucked back then.
But there is some awesome writing in the 4th doctor's stories - especially the mystery-laden ones.  Talons of Weng-Chiang, Pyramids of Mars, Robot, The Brain of Morbius.  And Genesis of the Daleks is an all-time top 10 episode.


You have to remember that special effects in general were terrible back then. Just check out Logan's Run or the original Battlestar Galactica once the initial pile of money ran out. Doctor Who was surprisingly not terrible for the time.
 
2013-10-08 07:38:34 PM  
Apparently Deborah Watling (Companion Victoria for the 2nd Doctor), along with Fraser Hines (Jamie) will be assisting with the BBC announcement of found "missing" episodes of Doctor Who on Thursday. I guess this makes it all that much real-er.  Now the only question is... How many, and what stories?
 
2013-10-08 07:50:09 PM  

FrancoFile: b0rscht: Not sure if glad. After becoming a fan of the new Who I decided to go back to the very first episode and work my way forward. I'm about 1/3 the way through Hartnell. SO PAINFUL. I've even watched a couple of the reconstructed ones, where they show stills and the audio track is from some dude in Tanzania who recorded it off the telly 47 years ago with a can and a string. The one where they smeared vaseline on the camera lens to make the bee-costume-people planet seem more spooky just about did me in.

The effects, in general, sucked back then.
But there is some awesome writing in the 4th doctor's stories - especially the mystery-laden ones.  Talons of Weng-Chiang, Pyramids of Mars, Robot, The Brain of Morbius.  And Genesis of the Daleks is an all-time top 10 episode.


I do think it depends on which era you started out with. I started with the fourth Doctor so that era is gold for me. But my nephew started with the Tenth so he think those old ones are stupid and cheesy. Well that was before I knocked some sense into him...
 
2013-10-08 07:59:31 PM  
Shouldn't it be "Doctor When?"
 
2013-10-08 08:00:09 PM  

rugman11: Man, I've always said that I won't believe new episode rumors until I'm actually watching them, but this...this is something else.

I am still a little worried, like Fursecution, that BBC News is just passing off reports from other news sites.  They are a separate branch from BBC Worldwide, so this isn't necessarily a confirmation, especially since they're not reporting anything we haven't heard before.


Gallifrey Base is going nuts about this. The point was made that BBC News wouldn't have reported it without confirmation from BBC Worldwide. The rumor was out there a while ago, and the BBC's silence was a bit ominous. But there's a press conference about it Thursday, when we're supposed to find out exactly what's been found. Supposedly, it's mostly 2nd Doctor. That would be great, since so much of his stuff is missing, that having any of it back would be great. And once the Restoration Team gets hold of it...
 
2013-10-08 08:03:20 PM  
Any of these would make be happy:

Marco Polo
Dalek Masterplan
Tenth planet (won't be this since they're releasing an animated DVD)
Power of the daleks
Evil of the daleks
Fury from the deep

And I'd have to pick power as the most wanted.
 
2013-10-08 08:09:15 PM  

Metaluna Mutant: Any of these would make be happy:

Marco Polo
Dalek Masterplan
Tenth planet (won't be this since they're releasing an animated DVD)
Power of the daleks
Evil of the daleks
Fury from the deep

And I'd have to pick power as the most wanted.


I think most people are hoping for the Dalek Masterplan, Power of the Daleks, and the Highlanders.  Which of course means we won't get any of those.
 
2013-10-08 08:12:46 PM  

LeoffDaGrate: Metaluna Mutant: Any of these would make be happy:

Marco Polo
Dalek Masterplan
Tenth planet (won't be this since they're releasing an animated DVD)
Power of the daleks
Evil of the daleks
Fury from the deep

And I'd have to pick power as the most wanted.

I think most people are hoping for the Dalek Masterplan, Power of the Daleks, and the Highlanders.  Which of course means we won't get any of those.


I'm sure they will find one
 
2013-10-08 08:17:31 PM  
I'd also add web of fear - almost every DW story for the next 6 years would follow its formula. And since the Great Intelligence came back this last (mediocre) season, they'd release it pretty quick.
 
2013-10-08 08:22:29 PM  

b0rscht: Not sure if glad. After becoming a fan of the new Who I decided to go back to the very first episode and work my way forward. I'm about 1/3 the way through Hartnell. SO PAINFUL. I've even watched a couple of the reconstructed ones, where they show stills and the audio track is from some dude in Tanzania who recorded it off the telly 47 years ago with a can and a string. The one where they smeared vaseline on the camera lens to make the bee-costume-people planet seem more spooky just about did me in.


If you haven't run across it yet, you might want to check out Adventures with the Wife in Space.

An English uberfan convinced his non-fan wife to watch Classic Who with him from the very beginning. He wrote a blog about the experience. It's like watching someone deal with culture shock.
 
2013-10-08 08:44:43 PM  

ekdikeo4: Cyberman was missing?  I -know- I saw that on a PBS broadcast in the mid 80's.


Don't know about that, but I was introduced to Dr. Who by PBS too, in the late 70s.  That was when Tom Baker was the the Dr.  Trust me, growing up in Alfalfa County, Oklahoma, that was some pretty cool shiat.  Picked it up off a UHF translator by way of a cable company the next county over.  Deep fringe area for picking up TV broadcasts.
 
2013-10-08 08:59:36 PM  
See? British colonialism DOES have some advantages.

In your FACE, Ghandi!
 
2013-10-08 09:02:20 PM  
Lalla Ward used to age quite nicely up until she married Richard Hawkins, and, well.........

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They could actually switch wigs and you'd not know who was who now.
 
2013-10-08 09:08:05 PM  
zzzz too much doctor who shiat
 
2013-10-08 09:09:33 PM  
I started watching the show during the Nu!Who era, but I've since watched probably dozens episodes from the 1970s and 80s, and if I had to rank my favorite Doctors, it would go Tennant, Baker, Pertwee, Eccleston, then Smith as the Top 5.  Peter Davison would be just barely below Smith at #6.
 
2013-10-08 09:28:23 PM  

2wolves: Shouldn't it be "Doctor When?"


Dahctor hWhat?
 
2013-10-08 09:35:31 PM  

DjangoStonereaver: flaminio: foo monkey: Are they the ones with the Scottish red-head or the brunette with the nice rack?

Hopefully there are more with Zoe. Because, you know...

[img.fark.net image 400x308]

DAT ASS.

Fine as she was (and still is, actually: she has aged very well), I was always more a Romana I and Leela guy myself.

Romana I:

[geeksville.files.wordpress.com image 342x471]

RIP 2012 due to cancer, alas.  Young too (age 62)

Leela:

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Though her costume in TALONS OF WEN CHIANG was also quite interesting:

[www.shadowlocked.com image 190x308]

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That last one has some Todd Leifield teeth.

/dat ass
 
2013-10-08 09:51:29 PM  

Coco LaFemme: I started watching the show during the Nu!Who era, but I've since watched probably dozens episodes from the 1970s and 80s, and if I had to rank my favorite Doctors, it would go Tennant, Baker, Pertwee, Eccleston, then Smith as the Top 5.  Peter Davison would be just barely below Smith at #6.


Davison is my Doctor.  Followed by Smith then Pertwee.  Baker took the series into interesting directions but he was overrated.  Tennant doesn't age well.
 
2013-10-08 10:02:12 PM  

gingerjet: Coco LaFemme: I started watching the show during the Nu!Who era, but I've since watched probably dozens episodes from the 1970s and 80s, and if I had to rank my favorite Doctors, it would go Tennant, Baker, Pertwee, Eccleston, then Smith as the Top 5.  Peter Davison would be just barely below Smith at #6.

Davison is my Doctor.  Followed by Smith then Pertwee.  Baker took the series into interesting directions but he was overrated.  Tennant doesn't age well.


See, I think Baker had the right balance of whimsy and bad-ass.  The end of Pyramids of Mars, for example.
 
2013-10-08 10:10:40 PM  
How about a trailer for the 50th anniversary? Why can't the BBC release one of those? And not just an eleven second clip of Matt Smith saying, "The Day of the Doctor"
 
2013-10-08 10:14:52 PM  

gingerjet: Coco LaFemme: I started watching the show during the Nu!Who era, but I've since watched probably dozens episodes from the 1970s and 80s, and if I had to rank my favorite Doctors, it would go Tennant, Baker, Pertwee, Eccleston, then Smith as the Top 5.  Peter Davison would be just barely below Smith at #6.

Davison is my Doctor.  Followed by Smith then Pertwee.  Baker took the series into interesting directions but he was overrated.  Tennant doesn't age well.


I don't know, I believe Tennant's run will be looked on quite favorably in later years. I think because he grew up loving the show (just like new Doctor, Peter Capaldi), and wanted to be the character since the age of 3, he treated it with the right amount of insouciance and gravitas.  Meaning, he could be both silly and dark.  I think he gets unfairly crapped on, not necessarily by you, for being part of the reason a lot of teenage girls got interested in the show, but the fact he's a good-looking guy shouldn't be held against him.  He's a damn good actor, even outside of Doctor Who.  I think some of his episodes were a bit crap, but then quite a lot of them were really good.  I wouldn't say that was his fault necessarily, he's only as good as the scripts he's given to work with.  I still say Blink and Midnight are two of the best episodes of the entire Nu!Who era.
 
2013-10-08 11:09:38 PM  
I really hope the 90 part of the rumor is true.  It'd be great to only have 16 missing episodes.

I also kind of hope the ones that are found are scattered through enough serials that they can get them all down to 2 or fewer missing, given that seems to be the point where the BBC is willing to animated the missing episodes.
 
2013-10-08 11:13:03 PM  
Also, if Steve "More Doctor Who than ever before this year" Moffat had his hand in the recovery, then I'm willing to forgive him for the last half season, and the (apparent) lack of any classic Doctors in the 50th...
 
2013-10-08 11:28:48 PM  

sirbissel: Also, if Steve "More Doctor Who than ever before this year" Moffat had his hand in the recovery, then I'm willing to forgive him for the last half season, and the (apparent) lack of any classic Doctors in the 50th...


According to Davison:

"I'm making an appearance somewhere over that period of time but I can't reveal in what," said Davison. "I can't reveal anything specific about it. I'm not allowed to."
However, the Fifth Doctor did imply he was not the only pre-Tennant Time Lord set to take part.
"It is a big year for the show and we're all doing our bit for it. Trust me,"


So they're all involved somehow.
McGann tweeted:
Spent forty minutes this pm having to imitate Matt Smith's dramatic delivery in VO. You have been warned....
But later reiterated that he's not in the 50th special, that it's for something else.

So they're doing stuff, but may not necessarily be in the episode itself.

Problem with classic Doctors is they're all incredibly old now.
 

The first three are dead.  So's the guy who impersonated the first in the '80s.  And you just can't impersonate Patrick Troughton or John Pertwee, they're such iconic actors.
Tom Baker is pushing 80 - TWICE as old as he was when he took on the role - and tends to say "NOOOOOOOOO" quite loudly when asked about reprising the role (although keeps saying he'd love to play a baddie).
Peter Davison reprised his role once for a short fan-service one-off, but didn't look quite enough like he used to for a full episode.
Colin Baker is enormously fat and gray now.  He wouldn't fit through the TARDIS door without opening both sides.  Plus of course nobody would watch.
Sylvester McCoy is the only one that could almost pull it off, with a wig or some hair dye and keeping his hat on.
Paul McGann would be fine (and has become accepted as a canon Doctor because of the quality of his Big Finish episodes, not that godawful TV movie), but who knows what his actual involvement is.

It IS a shame that Ecclestone had such a rotten experience with Davies and wouldn't come back for ANYTHING.  So all we get is farking Tennant, which in my view makes the special *less* appealing.
 
2013-10-08 11:49:07 PM  

Fursecution: BBC Worldwide is expected to confirm the find at a press screening in London later this week.

Anybody else have a problem with this wording?
/It sounds like BBC News is just passing along a rumor...


As somebody who lives in the Washington bubble, that's generally the wording reporters use when nobody's allowed to officially confirm anything, but *wink wink nod nod* and they want some buzz built up early so that more people tune in to the press conference.
 
2013-10-08 11:54:28 PM  

cptjeff: Fursecution: BBC Worldwide is expected to confirm the find at a press screening in London later this week.

Anybody else have a problem with this wording?
/It sounds like BBC News is just passing along a rumor...

As somebody who lives in the Washington bubble, that's generally the wording reporters use when nobody's allowed to officially confirm anything, but *wink wink nod nod* and they want some buzz built up early so that more people tune in to the press conference.


Which is why we know what every press conference is going to take a stand on three days before it happens.
 
2013-10-08 11:55:04 PM  

Coco LaFemme: I started watching the show during the Nu!Who era, but I've since watched probably dozens episodes from the 1970s and 80s, and if I had to rank my favorite Doctors, it would go Tennant, Baker, Pertwee, Eccleston, then Smith as the Top 5.  Peter Davison would be just barely below Smith at #6.


You ranked Tennant above backer and Pertwee?

You are just wrong. Tennant might just might beat out Sly Mccoy. That would be about it.


Doctors in order of awesomeness.

Tom Baker
Pertwee
Troughton
Hartnell
Davison
Eccleston
Smith
Collin Baker
McGann
Mccoy
Tennant
 
2013-10-09 12:02:07 AM  

spamdog: zzzz to

p o much doctor who shiat

FIFY
 
2013-10-09 12:07:04 AM  

DemonEater: sirbissel: Also, if Steve "More Doctor Who than ever before this year" Moffat had his hand in the recovery, then I'm willing to forgive him for the last half season, and the (apparent) lack of any classic Doctors in the 50th...

According to Davison:

"I'm making an appearance somewhere over that period of time but I can't reveal in what," said Davison. "I can't reveal anything specific about it. I'm not allowed to."
However, the Fifth Doctor did imply he was not the only pre-Tennant Time Lord set to take part.
"It is a big year for the show and we're all doing our bit for it. Trust me,"

So they're all involved somehow.
McGann tweeted:
Spent forty minutes this pm having to imitate Matt Smith's dramatic delivery in VO. You have been warned....
But later reiterated that he's not in the 50th special, that it's for something else.

So they're doing stuff, but may not necessarily be in the episode itself.

Problem with classic Doctors is they're all incredibly old now.
 

The first three are dead.  So's the guy who impersonated the first in the '80s.  And you just can't impersonate Patrick Troughton or John Pertwee, they're such iconic actors.
Tom Baker is pushing 80 - TWICE as old as he was when he took on the role - and tends to say "NOOOOOOOOO" quite loudly when asked about reprising the role (although keeps saying he'd love to play a baddie).
Peter Davison reprised his role once for a short fan-service one-off, but didn't look quite enough like he used to for a full episode.
Colin Baker is enormously fat and gray now.  He wouldn't fit through the TARDIS door without opening both sides.  Plus of course nobody would watch.
Sylvester McCoy is the only one that could almost pull it off, with a wig or some hair dye and keeping his hat on.
Paul McGann would be fine (and has become accepted as a canon Doctor because of the quality of his Big Finish episodes, not that godawful TV movie), but who knows what his actual involvement is.

It IS a shame that Ecclestone had such a ...


Even though 4 and 5 are my favorite Doctors, I'd really like 7 and 8 to make an appearance-- mostly because, like you said, they were the ones who could honestly pull it off (that and, really, they're the only two, well, and 9, who haven't had a multi-Doctor story) and because 8 really didn't get much of a shot actually being on TV...
 
2013-10-09 12:24:03 AM  

Rozotorical: Coco LaFemme: I started watching the show during the Nu!Who era, but I've since watched probably dozens episodes from the 1970s and 80s, and if I had to rank my favorite Doctors, it would go Tennant, Baker, Pertwee, Eccleston, then Smith as the Top 5.  Peter Davison would be just barely below Smith at #6.

You ranked Tennant above backer and Pertwee?

You are just wrong. Tennant might just might beat out Sly Mccoy. That would be about it.


Doctors in order of awesomeness.

Tom Baker
Pertwee
Troughton
Hartnell
Davison
Eccleston
Smith
Collin Baker
McGann
Mccoy
Tennant


 I strongly believe that the top 5 actors were by far the best of the lot. Not to say I didn't enjoy the rest because I do (with the exception of about 70% of everything Tennant did)  The first five Doctors each in there own way, help define the character in so many ways that the following Doctors just have not been able to do. You could honestly remove the remaining actors on the list, from Cannon and not damage the overall Character of the Doctor in any real or meaningful way.

In all fairness to Mccoy, the writing had gone way down hill by the time he took over. McGann never really stood a chance with the limited run and the terrible TV movie. To be perfectly honest Tennant's Doctor just rubs me the wrong way, he was the first Doctor that I ever wanted to just punch right in his dumb face as irrational as that may be. I generally feel he was just a poor fit for the character to begin with.

The biggest issue with the new Doctors would also be the writing in my opinion. It can be very inconsistent. At times they have some of the best written episodes that are simply fantastic and on the flip side some of the out right painfully bad.


That being said every single Doctor (excluding Mcgann) have at least one episode or serial that rank in my top 20 of all time.
 
2013-10-09 12:30:17 AM  
troughton is my fave, now i get to see the episode for real not just the recreations!

so glad this should be true
 
2013-10-09 12:38:36 AM  

Fursecution: BBC Worldwide is expected to confirm the find at a press screening in London later this week.

Anybody else have a problem with this wording?
/It sounds like BBC News is just passing along a rumor...


BBC News and BBC Entertainment are independent up to the top of the corporate structure.  BBC Worldwide is (I believe) its own separate company, like BBC America.  So rather than stick their dick out and get burned, the News people are playing it safe.  Also: "is expected to confirm" means the press conference hasn't actually been scheduled or announced yet.  If a date and time and the content of the presser had been announced, then they'd say "...will announce".

Unlike a lot of news agencies, BBC News doesn't report something unless its certain.  They'd rather be right than first, which is why they're my go-to site for International news.
 
2013-10-09 12:42:35 AM  

FrancoFile: The effects, in general, sucked back then.
But there is some awesome writing in the 4th doctor's stories - especially the mystery-laden ones. Talons of Weng-Chiang, Pyramids of Mars, Robot, The Brain of Morbius. And Genesis of the Daleks is an all-time top 10 episode.


So what you're saying is you really like Douglas Adams.
 
2013-10-09 12:52:48 AM  

b0rscht: Not sure if glad. After becoming a fan of the new Who I decided to go back to the very first episode and work my way forward. I'm about 1/3 the way through Hartnell. SO PAINFUL. I've even watched a couple of the reconstructed ones, where they show stills and the audio track is from some dude in Tanzania who recorded it off the telly 47 years ago with a can and a string. The one where they smeared vaseline on the camera lens to make the bee-costume-people planet seem more spooky just about did me in.


The third doctor gets good and the fourth is just awesome, but be prepared to think about the doctor as a sarcastic Sherlock Holmes style solver of mysteries, where the special effects are sort of secondary to dialogue. The doctor wasn't meant to be the violent pissant he has become since his tenth regeneration.
 
2013-10-09 12:57:35 AM  
They could actually pull off having Baker show up if they pull him out of time during the events of The Leisure Hive, where he is prematurely aged.
 
2013-10-09 01:29:17 AM  
Here's what I've been told we're getting:

(A) On Thursday BBC Worldwide will officially announce the recovery, but may not tell us everything that's been found.  Some negotiations may still be ongoing.

(B) They will also announce the immediate (or nearly immediate) release of 9 episodes for digital download via iTunes and (hopefully) other sources.

(C) The 9 episodes likely to be announced on Thursday are the 5 missing episodes of Enemy of the World, and 4 of the 5 missing episodes of Web of Fear.

(D) There are definitely more than that recovered; part 3 of Web of Fear needs more restoration, and there was an "oops" moment with the digital transfers of all of Marco Polo, so it needs to be redone.

(E) DVD releases will be forthcoming, but may not make it by year's end.

I'm not too clear on the exact total number of recovered episodes, but I'm hearing solid information that it will be in the vicinity of 40.
 
2013-10-09 01:31:34 AM  
Cool.  That's much easier than reconstructing archival footage from end-user footage and reconstruction, which is kind of a biatch.

Bennie Crabtree: The doctor wasn't meant to be the violent pissant he has become since his tenth regeneration.


The first Doctor spent like half his time stranding the companions in random historical periods with the intent to abandon them, or intentionally putting them in situations that would get them killed because he wanted to get rid of them.

The most recent Doctors being kind of douchebags (with the exception of , I think, 9?) was more a "return to form" than a dramatic new direction.  The genocidal tendencies go back to the first guy, too.
 
2013-10-09 01:45:11 AM  

Bennie Crabtree: The third doctor gets good and the fourth is just awesome, but be prepared to think about the doctor as a sarcastic Sherlock Holmes style solver of mysteries, where the special effects are sort of secondary to dialogue. The doctor wasn't meant to be the violent pissant he has become since his tenth regeneration.

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2013-10-09 02:57:06 AM  
chascarrillo:

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You called?


Isn't that a Blake's 7 gun?
 
2013-10-09 02:57:57 AM  

Dwight_Yeast: FrancoFile: The effects, in general, sucked back then.
But there is some awesome writing in the 4th doctor's stories - especially the mystery-laden ones. Talons of Weng-Chiang, Pyramids of Mars, Robot, The Brain of Morbius. And Genesis of the Daleks is an all-time top 10 episode.

So what you're saying is you really like Douglas Adams.



Nice try but Douglas Adams had nothing to do with those episodes. He came in later and his best contributions were The Pirate Planet and City Of Death.

/ It would be more accurate to say he likes Phillip Hinchcliffe and Robert Holmes. Best period of classic Who and still holds up very well if you can forgive the effects.
 
2013-10-09 03:06:31 AM  
DemonEater:  So they're all involved somehow.

So they're doing stuff, but may not necessarily be in the episode itself.


Sylvester McCoy was one of the guests of honor at the Las Vegas Comic Expo this year. He held and incredibly entertaining Doctor Who panel. The man really knows how to light up a stage with his personality (which was fortunate since the young lady moderating the panel was clearly out of her depth). He mentioned that he was contributing 'something' for the Doctor Who 50th anniversary. He couldn't say what it was but it was definitely 'something'.

/ Can't stand McCoy's Who episodes but the man is a natural performer and very personable so I don't hold it against him. The show was beyond hope at that point.
 
2013-10-09 03:45:45 AM  
Fantastic news. I'm quite fond of the black and white era of Doctor Who. I like the characters and I like the stories. The generally ropey look of it doesn't bother me at all. I find myself approaching them the way I do theatre. In order to appreciate it I have to become more engaged and have to suspend my disbelief to a much greater degree to deliberately not see the man behind the mask.

That and I'm not much of a fan of the new ones. I've seen a few and while I can appreciate that they are quite good I just can't seem to find the same excitement and childlike wonder that I get from the classics. I'm sure I'll get around to watching them some day but can't say that I'm in any particular hurry to do so the way I am these newly discovered ones, whichever they are.
 
2013-10-09 05:44:39 AM  

TV's Vinnie: Lalla Ward used to age quite nicely up until she married Richard Hawkins, and, well.........

[farm8.staticflickr.com image 444x640]

They could actually switch wigs and you'd not know who was who now.


I had the privilege of interviewing The Honourable (and Lovely) Lalla Ward back in the 1980s for my college radio station.

Frankly, I was never a fan of hers until I actually met her in person. She is lovely and intelligent and to this day I have
a copy of her book BEASTLY KNITS that she gave me.
 
2013-10-09 08:25:02 AM  
25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-10-09 09:19:33 AM  

Rozotorical: Coco LaFemme: I started watching the show during the Nu!Who era, but I've since watched probably dozens episodes from the 1970s and 80s, and if I had to rank my favorite Doctors, it would go Tennant, Baker, Pertwee, Eccleston, then Smith as the Top 5.  Peter Davison would be just barely below Smith at #6.

You ranked Tennant above Baker and Pertwee?



That's right, I did.  You'll get over it, I'm sure.  I happen to really like his portrayal of the character.  You obviously didn't.  That doesn't make either of us right or wrong....just means we see it differently.
 
2013-10-09 09:25:33 AM  

Coco LaFemme: He's a damn good actor, even outside of Doctor Who. I think some of his episodes were a bit crap, but then quite a lot of them were really good. I wouldn't say that was his fault necessarily, he's only as good as the scripts he's given to work with. I still say Blink and Midnight are two of the best episodes of the entire Nu!Who era.


You know that one of the best episodes you mentioned doesn't really have him in it, right?
 
2013-10-09 09:41:17 AM  

mjbok: Coco LaFemme: He's a damn good actor, even outside of Doctor Who. I think some of his episodes were a bit crap, but then quite a lot of them were really good. I wouldn't say that was his fault necessarily, he's only as good as the scripts he's given to work with. I still say Blink and Midnight are two of the best episodes of the entire Nu!Who era.

You know that one of the best episodes you mentioned doesn't really have him in it, right?


REALLY?!!!111!!?!  ZOMG IT'S LIKE I'VE NEVER WATCHED AN EPISODE OF DOCTOR WHO EVER!!11!!11!

Blink and Midnight both were part of Tennant's run, both were two of the best episodes since 2005.  I'm missing the retarded point you're trying to make.  The fact he was hardly in Blink doesn't negate my opinion that he's the best of the 11 Doctors so far, nor does it negate my opinion that it's one of the best episodes since the reboot.  It doesn't matter if he had 5 minutes of face time or 50 -- it's still really, really good writing from Steven Moffat.
 
2013-10-09 10:37:40 AM  

Coco LaFemme: I'm missing the retarded point you're trying to make. The fact he was hardly in Blink doesn't negate my opinion that he's the best of the 11 Doctors so far, nor does it negate my opinion that it's one of the best episodes since the reboot. It doesn't matter if he had 5 minutes of face time or 50 -- it's still really, really good writing from Steven Moffat.


I was just pointing out that you stated that Blink is one of the best episodes since the reboot (you're right), but using that as evidence of Tennant being a good actor is dumb, since he is little more than a glorified extra in it.

I disliked Tennant's Doctor for two reasons:  Rose's herpetic inability to go away for good and his "acting with his teeth" method.

I'm a fan from way back (and met 2-6 in person), but find the new series hit and miss.  When it's good, it's very good, but I hate some of the new stuff (especially the ignoring or outright changing of canon).

//You're entitled to your opinion, but my point was hardly retarded.  If anything your inclusion of Blink as reason's why Tennant is the best Doctor is much more fundamentally retarded than the statement I made.
 
2013-10-09 11:38:00 AM  

mjbok: Coco LaFemme: I'm missing the retarded point you're trying to make. The fact he was hardly in Blink doesn't negate my opinion that he's the best of the 11 Doctors so far, nor does it negate my opinion that it's one of the best episodes since the reboot. It doesn't matter if he had 5 minutes of face time or 50 -- it's still really, really good writing from Steven Moffat.

I was just pointing out that you stated that Blink is one of the best episodes since the reboot (you're right), but using that as evidence of Tennant being a good actor is dumb, since he is little more than a glorified extra in it.

I disliked Tennant's Doctor for two reasons:  Rose's herpetic inability to go away for good and his "acting with his teeth" method.


Late Tennant is rather annoying, mostly due to the Mary Sue nature of the writing, but I would say that
his first season stands up well against Baker or Pertwee as far as quality.

And before she disappeared into the parallel Earth the first time, Rose was probably my favorite
companion ever. Your analysis, though is spot on: she should have stayed away but obviously RTD was
far too in love with her.
 
2013-10-09 01:40:14 PM  

DjangoStonereaver: And before she disappeared into the parallel Earth the first time, Rose was probably my favorite
companion ever. Your analysis, though is spot on: she should have stayed away but obviously RTD was
far too in love with her.


When she opened an episode with a voice over talking about this is the day she dies, I was really happy, only to have my hopes dashed that she met an Adric-like fate.
 
2013-10-09 01:43:03 PM  

DjangoStonereaver: mjbok: Coco LaFemme: I'm missing the retarded point you're trying to make. The fact he was hardly in Blink doesn't negate my opinion that he's the best of the 11 Doctors so far, nor does it negate my opinion that it's one of the best episodes since the reboot. It doesn't matter if he had 5 minutes of face time or 50 -- it's still really, really good writing from Steven Moffat.

I was just pointing out that you stated that Blink is one of the best episodes since the reboot (you're right), but using that as evidence of Tennant being a good actor is dumb, since he is little more than a glorified extra in it.

I disliked Tennant's Doctor for two reasons:  Rose's herpetic inability to go away for good and his "acting with his teeth" method.

Late Tennant is rather annoying, mostly due to the Mary Sue nature of the writing, but I would say that
his first season stands up well against Baker or Pertwee as far as quality.

And before she disappeared into the parallel Earth the first time, Rose was probably my favorite
companion ever. Your analysis, though is spot on: she should have stayed away but obviously RTD was
far too in love with her.


Rose was a top tier companion initially and was the center piece to RTD vision of Dr Who.   I think RTD was more to blame with Rose later story arcs of crap personally. RTD did a lot of good things for Dr. Who, but I think pretty much everyone can agree after the first series the less he had to do with the show the better the show got.


My top 10 Companions in no particular order:

Jo
Zoe
Jamie
Sarah Jane
Leela
Ace
K9
Rose
Tegan
Amy Pond
 
2013-10-09 01:58:06 PM  

Coco LaFemme: Rozotorical: Coco LaFemme: I started watching the show during the Nu!Who era, but I've since watched probably dozens episodes from the 1970s and 80s, and if I had to rank my favorite Doctors, it would go Tennant, Baker, Pertwee, Eccleston, then Smith as the Top 5.  Peter Davison would be just barely below Smith at #6.

You ranked Tennant above Baker and Pertwee?


That's right, I did.  You'll get over it, I'm sure.  I happen to really like his portrayal of the character.  You obviously didn't.  That doesn't make either of us right or wrong....just means we see it differently.


Wait, wait of course MY opinion is right.

I think Tennant was just a bad fit for the role in my opinion, but how much of that was inconsistent writing how much was David? Hard to say.  Blink and Midnight were two of my favorite and I think Tennant in Silence of the library was enjoyable. So there may be something said about quality of writing and Tennant's relativity small acting toolbox adding up to me wanting to punch the guy.

Or it could be because he is better looking then me and I subconsciously resent all people who are prettier then I am.
 
2013-10-09 03:53:03 PM  

Rozotorical: DjangoStonereaver: mjbok: Coco LaFemme: I'm missing the retarded point you're trying to make. The fact he was hardly in Blink doesn't negate my opinion that he's the best of the 11 Doctors so far, nor does it negate my opinion that it's one of the best episodes since the reboot. It doesn't matter if he had 5 minutes of face time or 50 -- it's still really, really good writing from Steven Moffat.

I was just pointing out that you stated that Blink is one of the best episodes since the reboot (you're right), but using that as evidence of Tennant being a good actor is dumb, since he is little more than a glorified extra in it.

I disliked Tennant's Doctor for two reasons:  Rose's herpetic inability to go away for good and his "acting with his teeth" method.

Late Tennant is rather annoying, mostly due to the Mary Sue nature of the writing, but I would say that
his first season stands up well against Baker or Pertwee as far as quality.

And before she disappeared into the parallel Earth the first time, Rose was probably my favorite
companion ever. Your analysis, though is spot on: she should have stayed away but obviously RTD was
far too in love with her.

Rose was a top tier companion initially and was the center piece to RTD vision of Dr Who.   I think RTD was more to blame with Rose later story arcs of crap personally. RTD did a lot of good things for Dr. Who, but I think pretty much everyone can agree after the first series the less he had to do with the show the better the show got.


My top 10 Companions in no particular order:

Jo
Zoe
Jamie
Sarah Jane
Leela
Ace
K9
Rose
Tegan
Amy Pond


What? Really? Jo Grant?
well everyone is entitled to an opinion I suppose.
I would say

1-Sarah Jane Smith (this should not be a debate)
2-Jamie McCrimmon (this also should not be a debate)
3-Romana(I-II)(First companion to be a true equal to the doctor, yet still somehow a  damsel in distress)
4-Zoe Heriot (Potentially smarter than the Doctor but without being all Adricy)
5-Donna Noble(Went from being shrill fishwife to the most human companion to timelord back to fishwife, love her or hate her she had the most complete arc of any NU-who companion)
6-Leela- ( Eliza Doolittle stand-in but showed us what a female companion that could fight and hold her own could look like)
7-K9 - (Was what to the Baker years what the sonic screwdriver has become to Nu-who, but come on...its K9)
8-Rory Williams (Again an amazing growth arc from dopey Mickey like boyfriend to Rory the Roman, Amy had her moments but never really changed)
9-Tegan Jovanka (She is the Donna of the old who. There are times you wish she would just shut up, but especially after the Mara she really comes into her own and you are sad to see her go)
10-Capt Jack Harkness  Rogue to hero again not to mention the cool factor.
 
2013-10-09 05:01:38 PM  

onzmadi: Rozotorical: DjangoStonereaver: mjbok: Coco LaFemme: I'm missing the retarded point you're trying to make. The fact he was hardly in Blink doesn't negate my opinion that he's the best of the 11 Doctors so far, nor does it negate my opinion that it's one of the best episodes since the reboot. It doesn't matter if he had 5 minutes of face time or 50 -- it's still really, really good writing from Steven Moffat.

I was just pointing out that you stated that Blink is one of the best episodes since the reboot (you're right), but using that as evidence of Tennant being a good actor is dumb, since he is little more than a glorified extra in it.

I disliked Tennant's Doctor for two reasons:  Rose's herpetic inability to go away for good and his "acting with his teeth" method.

Late Tennant is rather annoying, mostly due to the Mary Sue nature of the writing, but I would say that
his first season stands up well against Baker or Pertwee as far as quality.

And before she disappeared into the parallel Earth the first time, Rose was probably my favorite
companion ever. Your analysis, though is spot on: she should have stayed away but obviously RTD was
far too in love with her.

Rose was a top tier companion initially and was the center piece to RTD vision of Dr Who.   I think RTD was more to blame with Rose later story arcs of crap personally. RTD did a lot of good things for Dr. Who, but I think pretty much everyone can agree after the first series the less he had to do with the show the better the show got.


My top 10 Companions in no particular order:

Jo
Zoe
Jamie
Sarah Jane
Leela
Ace
K9
Rose
Tegan
Amy Pond

What? Really? Jo Grant?
well everyone is entitled to an opinion I suppose.
I would say

1-Sarah Jane Smith (this should not be a debate)
2-Jamie McCrimmon (this also should not be a debate)
3-Romana(I-II)(First companion to be a true equal to the doctor, yet still somehow a  damsel in distress)
4-Zoe Heriot (Potentially smarter than the Doctor but without being all Adri ...


Yeah I Like Jo a lot, I think Pertwee and Jo were a really good fit. She wasn't just the typical stand and scream leading lady. I also enjoyed how stubborn she was at time. She was a pre-Sarah Jane ,Sarah Jane in my head.
 
2013-10-09 07:06:32 PM  

onzmadi: 9-Tegan Jovanka (She is the Donna of the old who. There are times you wish she would just shut up, but especially after the Mara she really comes into her own and you are sad to see her go)


Really?  I think she is the only companion the Doctor (post Hartnell) openly despised.
 
2013-10-09 08:08:16 PM  

Rozotorical: Yeah I Like Jo a lot, I think Pertwee and Jo were a really good fit. She wasn't just the typical stand and scream leading lady. I also enjoyed how stubborn she was at time. She was a pre-Sarah Jane ,Sarah Jane in my head.



never liked that ham-fisted bun vendor.  she always seemed like the ditz especially compared to the surrounding companions of zoe, liz and sarah jane
 
2013-10-09 11:09:38 PM  

mjbok: onzmadi: 9-Tegan Jovanka (She is the Donna of the old who. There are times you wish she would just shut up, but especially after the Mara she really comes into her own and you are sad to see her go)

Really?  I think she is the only companion the Doctor (post Hartnell) openly despised.


upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-10-09 11:11:12 PM  

mjbok: onzmadi: 9-Tegan Jovanka (She is the Donna of the old who. There are times you wish she would just shut up, but especially after the Mara she really comes into her own and you are sad to see her go)

Really?  I think she is the only companion the Doctor (post Hartnell) openly despised.


...I read that comment incorrectly, but have decided that, given his outcome, I'm going to keep with "The Doctor despised him."
 
2013-10-10 12:15:34 AM  
Seriously, with the number of censorship situations and harsh exchanges that I've heard about on the forums, the whole saga can be summed up by this.

/So the number may at least be 60-70 based on that much drama
//Hoping for minimum 90
 
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