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(BBC)   And for once a tale of lost Doctor Who episodes being found ends up actually living up to the claim   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 76
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2013-10-08 05:20:07 PM  
Cyberman was missing?  I -know- I saw that on a PBS broadcast in the mid 80's.
 
2013-10-08 05:25:47 PM  
Wow. I know I said earlier in the week that this was likely a hoax like over the summer, but if the BBC is reporting that episodes are found...

But it's definitely not 106 episodes, though, according to the Guardian.
 
2013-10-08 05:54:40 PM  

ekdikeo4: Cyberman was missing?  I -know- I saw that on a PBS broadcast in the mid 80's.


It was missing, and showed up 20 years ago.
 
2013-10-08 05:58:01 PM  
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2013-10-08 06:20:47 PM  
Not sure if glad. After becoming a fan of the new Who I decided to go back to the very first episode and work my way forward. I'm about 1/3 the way through Hartnell. SO PAINFUL. I've even watched a couple of the reconstructed ones, where they show stills and the audio track is from some dude in Tanzania who recorded it off the telly 47 years ago with a can and a string. The one where they smeared vaseline on the camera lens to make the bee-costume-people planet seem more spooky just about did me in.
 
2013-10-08 06:22:15 PM  
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2013-10-08 06:23:06 PM  
I was SOOO Ready for this to be another hoax

Wow, I am genuinely very happy!
 
2013-10-08 06:24:12 PM  
Are they the ones with the Scottish red-head or the brunette with the nice rack?
 
2013-10-08 06:26:50 PM  

b0rscht: Not sure if glad. After becoming a fan of the new Who I decided to go back to the very first episode and work my way forward. I'm about 1/3 the way through Hartnell. SO PAINFUL. I've even watched a couple of the reconstructed ones, where they show stills and the audio track is from some dude in Tanzania who recorded it off the telly 47 years ago with a can and a string. The one where they smeared vaseline on the camera lens to make the bee-costume-people planet seem more spooky just about did me in.


The effects, in general, sucked back then.
But there is some awesome writing in the 4th doctor's stories - especially the mystery-laden ones.  Talons of Weng-Chiang, Pyramids of Mars, Robot, The Brain of Morbius.  And Genesis of the Daleks is an all-time top 10 episode.
 
2013-10-08 06:29:51 PM  

FrancoFile: b0rscht: Not sure if glad. After becoming a fan of the new Who I decided to go back to the very first episode and work my way forward. I'm about 1/3 the way through Hartnell. SO PAINFUL. I've even watched a couple of the reconstructed ones, where they show stills and the audio track is from some dude in Tanzania who recorded it off the telly 47 years ago with a can and a string. The one where they smeared vaseline on the camera lens to make the bee-costume-people planet seem more spooky just about did me in.

The effects, in general, sucked back then.
But there is some awesome writing in the 4th doctor's stories - especially the mystery-laden ones.  Talons of Weng-Chiang, Pyramids of Mars, Robot, The Brain of Morbius.  And Genesis of the Daleks is an all-time top 10 episode.


Sorry.  Robots of Death.  Not Robot.
 
2013-10-08 06:32:58 PM  
Uh oh, this actually *isn't* a good thing, as it establishes a fixed point in time.
 
2013-10-08 06:35:54 PM  

Shadow Blasko: I was SOOO Ready for this to be another hoax

Wow, I am genuinely very happy!


If not hoax, I was expecting at least a let down. Obviously glad to be wrong.
Might have to add this to my Christmas list.
 
2013-10-08 06:42:46 PM  
Did they find them in the same place where the Ark of the Covenant was supposed to be?

'Cause that would be cool to find in Ethiopia also.
 
2013-10-08 06:57:44 PM  

foo monkey: Are they the ones with the Scottish red-head or the brunette with the nice rack?


Hopefully there are more with Zoe. Because, you know...

1.bp.blogspot.com

DAT ASS.
 
2013-10-08 07:03:09 PM  
BBC Worldwide is expected to confirm the find at a press screening in London later this week.

Anybody else have a problem with this wording?
/It sounds like BBC News is just passing along a rumor...
 
2013-10-08 07:06:19 PM  
Man, I've always said that I won't believe new episode rumors until I'm actually watching them, but this...this is something else.

I am still a little worried, like Fursecution, that BBC News is just passing off reports from other news sites.  They are a separate branch from BBC Worldwide, so this isn't necessarily a confirmation, especially since they're not reporting anything we haven't heard before.
 
2013-10-08 07:25:21 PM  

flaminio: foo monkey: Are they the ones with the Scottish red-head or the brunette with the nice rack?

Hopefully there are more with Zoe. Because, you know...

img.fark.net

DAT ASS.


Fine as she was (and still is, actually: she has aged very well), I was always more a Romana I and Leela guy myself.

Romana I:

geeksville.files.wordpress.com

RIP 2012 due to cancer, alas.  Young too (age 62)

Leela:

sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net

Though her costume in TALONS OF WEN CHIANG was also quite interesting:

www.shadowlocked.com

dailypop.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-10-08 07:29:17 PM  

FrancoFile: b0rscht: Not sure if glad. After becoming a fan of the new Who I decided to go back to the very first episode and work my way forward. I'm about 1/3 the way through Hartnell. SO PAINFUL. I've even watched a couple of the reconstructed ones, where they show stills and the audio track is from some dude in Tanzania who recorded it off the telly 47 years ago with a can and a string. The one where they smeared vaseline on the camera lens to make the bee-costume-people planet seem more spooky just about did me in.

The effects, in general, sucked back then.
But there is some awesome writing in the 4th doctor's stories - especially the mystery-laden ones.  Talons of Weng-Chiang, Pyramids of Mars, Robot, The Brain of Morbius.  And Genesis of the Daleks is an all-time top 10 episode.


You have to remember that special effects in general were terrible back then. Just check out Logan's Run or the original Battlestar Galactica once the initial pile of money ran out. Doctor Who was surprisingly not terrible for the time.
 
2013-10-08 07:38:34 PM  
Apparently Deborah Watling (Companion Victoria for the 2nd Doctor), along with Fraser Hines (Jamie) will be assisting with the BBC announcement of found "missing" episodes of Doctor Who on Thursday. I guess this makes it all that much real-er.  Now the only question is... How many, and what stories?
 
2013-10-08 07:50:09 PM  

FrancoFile: b0rscht: Not sure if glad. After becoming a fan of the new Who I decided to go back to the very first episode and work my way forward. I'm about 1/3 the way through Hartnell. SO PAINFUL. I've even watched a couple of the reconstructed ones, where they show stills and the audio track is from some dude in Tanzania who recorded it off the telly 47 years ago with a can and a string. The one where they smeared vaseline on the camera lens to make the bee-costume-people planet seem more spooky just about did me in.

The effects, in general, sucked back then.
But there is some awesome writing in the 4th doctor's stories - especially the mystery-laden ones.  Talons of Weng-Chiang, Pyramids of Mars, Robot, The Brain of Morbius.  And Genesis of the Daleks is an all-time top 10 episode.


I do think it depends on which era you started out with. I started with the fourth Doctor so that era is gold for me. But my nephew started with the Tenth so he think those old ones are stupid and cheesy. Well that was before I knocked some sense into him...
 
2013-10-08 07:59:31 PM  
Shouldn't it be "Doctor When?"
 
2013-10-08 08:00:09 PM  

rugman11: Man, I've always said that I won't believe new episode rumors until I'm actually watching them, but this...this is something else.

I am still a little worried, like Fursecution, that BBC News is just passing off reports from other news sites.  They are a separate branch from BBC Worldwide, so this isn't necessarily a confirmation, especially since they're not reporting anything we haven't heard before.


Gallifrey Base is going nuts about this. The point was made that BBC News wouldn't have reported it without confirmation from BBC Worldwide. The rumor was out there a while ago, and the BBC's silence was a bit ominous. But there's a press conference about it Thursday, when we're supposed to find out exactly what's been found. Supposedly, it's mostly 2nd Doctor. That would be great, since so much of his stuff is missing, that having any of it back would be great. And once the Restoration Team gets hold of it...
 
2013-10-08 08:03:20 PM  
Any of these would make be happy:

Marco Polo
Dalek Masterplan
Tenth planet (won't be this since they're releasing an animated DVD)
Power of the daleks
Evil of the daleks
Fury from the deep

And I'd have to pick power as the most wanted.
 
2013-10-08 08:09:15 PM  

Metaluna Mutant: Any of these would make be happy:

Marco Polo
Dalek Masterplan
Tenth planet (won't be this since they're releasing an animated DVD)
Power of the daleks
Evil of the daleks
Fury from the deep

And I'd have to pick power as the most wanted.


I think most people are hoping for the Dalek Masterplan, Power of the Daleks, and the Highlanders.  Which of course means we won't get any of those.
 
2013-10-08 08:12:46 PM  

LeoffDaGrate: Metaluna Mutant: Any of these would make be happy:

Marco Polo
Dalek Masterplan
Tenth planet (won't be this since they're releasing an animated DVD)
Power of the daleks
Evil of the daleks
Fury from the deep

And I'd have to pick power as the most wanted.

I think most people are hoping for the Dalek Masterplan, Power of the Daleks, and the Highlanders.  Which of course means we won't get any of those.


I'm sure they will find one
 
2013-10-08 08:17:31 PM  
I'd also add web of fear - almost every DW story for the next 6 years would follow its formula. And since the Great Intelligence came back this last (mediocre) season, they'd release it pretty quick.
 
2013-10-08 08:22:29 PM  

b0rscht: Not sure if glad. After becoming a fan of the new Who I decided to go back to the very first episode and work my way forward. I'm about 1/3 the way through Hartnell. SO PAINFUL. I've even watched a couple of the reconstructed ones, where they show stills and the audio track is from some dude in Tanzania who recorded it off the telly 47 years ago with a can and a string. The one where they smeared vaseline on the camera lens to make the bee-costume-people planet seem more spooky just about did me in.


If you haven't run across it yet, you might want to check out Adventures with the Wife in Space.

An English uberfan convinced his non-fan wife to watch Classic Who with him from the very beginning. He wrote a blog about the experience. It's like watching someone deal with culture shock.
 
2013-10-08 08:44:43 PM  

ekdikeo4: Cyberman was missing?  I -know- I saw that on a PBS broadcast in the mid 80's.


Don't know about that, but I was introduced to Dr. Who by PBS too, in the late 70s.  That was when Tom Baker was the the Dr.  Trust me, growing up in Alfalfa County, Oklahoma, that was some pretty cool shiat.  Picked it up off a UHF translator by way of a cable company the next county over.  Deep fringe area for picking up TV broadcasts.
 
2013-10-08 08:59:36 PM  
See? British colonialism DOES have some advantages.

In your FACE, Ghandi!
 
2013-10-08 09:02:20 PM  
Lalla Ward used to age quite nicely up until she married Richard Hawkins, and, well.........

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They could actually switch wigs and you'd not know who was who now.
 
2013-10-08 09:08:05 PM  
zzzz too much doctor who shiat
 
2013-10-08 09:09:33 PM  
I started watching the show during the Nu!Who era, but I've since watched probably dozens episodes from the 1970s and 80s, and if I had to rank my favorite Doctors, it would go Tennant, Baker, Pertwee, Eccleston, then Smith as the Top 5.  Peter Davison would be just barely below Smith at #6.
 
2013-10-08 09:28:23 PM  

2wolves: Shouldn't it be "Doctor When?"


Dahctor hWhat?
 
2013-10-08 09:35:31 PM  

DjangoStonereaver: flaminio: foo monkey: Are they the ones with the Scottish red-head or the brunette with the nice rack?

Hopefully there are more with Zoe. Because, you know...

[img.fark.net image 400x308]

DAT ASS.

Fine as she was (and still is, actually: she has aged very well), I was always more a Romana I and Leela guy myself.

Romana I:

[geeksville.files.wordpress.com image 342x471]

RIP 2012 due to cancer, alas.  Young too (age 62)

Leela:

[sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net image 333x500]

Though her costume in TALONS OF WEN CHIANG was also quite interesting:

[www.shadowlocked.com image 190x308]

[dailypop.files.wordpress.com image 450x450]


That last one has some Todd Leifield teeth.

/dat ass
 
2013-10-08 09:51:29 PM  

Coco LaFemme: I started watching the show during the Nu!Who era, but I've since watched probably dozens episodes from the 1970s and 80s, and if I had to rank my favorite Doctors, it would go Tennant, Baker, Pertwee, Eccleston, then Smith as the Top 5.  Peter Davison would be just barely below Smith at #6.


Davison is my Doctor.  Followed by Smith then Pertwee.  Baker took the series into interesting directions but he was overrated.  Tennant doesn't age well.
 
2013-10-08 10:02:12 PM  

gingerjet: Coco LaFemme: I started watching the show during the Nu!Who era, but I've since watched probably dozens episodes from the 1970s and 80s, and if I had to rank my favorite Doctors, it would go Tennant, Baker, Pertwee, Eccleston, then Smith as the Top 5.  Peter Davison would be just barely below Smith at #6.

Davison is my Doctor.  Followed by Smith then Pertwee.  Baker took the series into interesting directions but he was overrated.  Tennant doesn't age well.


See, I think Baker had the right balance of whimsy and bad-ass.  The end of Pyramids of Mars, for example.
 
2013-10-08 10:10:40 PM  
How about a trailer for the 50th anniversary? Why can't the BBC release one of those? And not just an eleven second clip of Matt Smith saying, "The Day of the Doctor"
 
2013-10-08 10:14:52 PM  

gingerjet: Coco LaFemme: I started watching the show during the Nu!Who era, but I've since watched probably dozens episodes from the 1970s and 80s, and if I had to rank my favorite Doctors, it would go Tennant, Baker, Pertwee, Eccleston, then Smith as the Top 5.  Peter Davison would be just barely below Smith at #6.

Davison is my Doctor.  Followed by Smith then Pertwee.  Baker took the series into interesting directions but he was overrated.  Tennant doesn't age well.


I don't know, I believe Tennant's run will be looked on quite favorably in later years. I think because he grew up loving the show (just like new Doctor, Peter Capaldi), and wanted to be the character since the age of 3, he treated it with the right amount of insouciance and gravitas.  Meaning, he could be both silly and dark.  I think he gets unfairly crapped on, not necessarily by you, for being part of the reason a lot of teenage girls got interested in the show, but the fact he's a good-looking guy shouldn't be held against him.  He's a damn good actor, even outside of Doctor Who.  I think some of his episodes were a bit crap, but then quite a lot of them were really good.  I wouldn't say that was his fault necessarily, he's only as good as the scripts he's given to work with.  I still say Blink and Midnight are two of the best episodes of the entire Nu!Who era.
 
2013-10-08 11:09:38 PM  
I really hope the 90 part of the rumor is true.  It'd be great to only have 16 missing episodes.

I also kind of hope the ones that are found are scattered through enough serials that they can get them all down to 2 or fewer missing, given that seems to be the point where the BBC is willing to animated the missing episodes.
 
2013-10-08 11:13:03 PM  
Also, if Steve "More Doctor Who than ever before this year" Moffat had his hand in the recovery, then I'm willing to forgive him for the last half season, and the (apparent) lack of any classic Doctors in the 50th...
 
2013-10-08 11:28:48 PM  

sirbissel: Also, if Steve "More Doctor Who than ever before this year" Moffat had his hand in the recovery, then I'm willing to forgive him for the last half season, and the (apparent) lack of any classic Doctors in the 50th...


According to Davison:

"I'm making an appearance somewhere over that period of time but I can't reveal in what," said Davison. "I can't reveal anything specific about it. I'm not allowed to."
However, the Fifth Doctor did imply he was not the only pre-Tennant Time Lord set to take part.
"It is a big year for the show and we're all doing our bit for it. Trust me,"


So they're all involved somehow.
McGann tweeted:
Spent forty minutes this pm having to imitate Matt Smith's dramatic delivery in VO. You have been warned....
But later reiterated that he's not in the 50th special, that it's for something else.

So they're doing stuff, but may not necessarily be in the episode itself.

Problem with classic Doctors is they're all incredibly old now.
 

The first three are dead.  So's the guy who impersonated the first in the '80s.  And you just can't impersonate Patrick Troughton or John Pertwee, they're such iconic actors.
Tom Baker is pushing 80 - TWICE as old as he was when he took on the role - and tends to say "NOOOOOOOOO" quite loudly when asked about reprising the role (although keeps saying he'd love to play a baddie).
Peter Davison reprised his role once for a short fan-service one-off, but didn't look quite enough like he used to for a full episode.
Colin Baker is enormously fat and gray now.  He wouldn't fit through the TARDIS door without opening both sides.  Plus of course nobody would watch.
Sylvester McCoy is the only one that could almost pull it off, with a wig or some hair dye and keeping his hat on.
Paul McGann would be fine (and has become accepted as a canon Doctor because of the quality of his Big Finish episodes, not that godawful TV movie), but who knows what his actual involvement is.

It IS a shame that Ecclestone had such a rotten experience with Davies and wouldn't come back for ANYTHING.  So all we get is farking Tennant, which in my view makes the special *less* appealing.
 
2013-10-08 11:49:07 PM  

Fursecution: BBC Worldwide is expected to confirm the find at a press screening in London later this week.

Anybody else have a problem with this wording?
/It sounds like BBC News is just passing along a rumor...


As somebody who lives in the Washington bubble, that's generally the wording reporters use when nobody's allowed to officially confirm anything, but *wink wink nod nod* and they want some buzz built up early so that more people tune in to the press conference.
 
2013-10-08 11:54:28 PM  

cptjeff: Fursecution: BBC Worldwide is expected to confirm the find at a press screening in London later this week.

Anybody else have a problem with this wording?
/It sounds like BBC News is just passing along a rumor...

As somebody who lives in the Washington bubble, that's generally the wording reporters use when nobody's allowed to officially confirm anything, but *wink wink nod nod* and they want some buzz built up early so that more people tune in to the press conference.


Which is why we know what every press conference is going to take a stand on three days before it happens.
 
2013-10-08 11:55:04 PM  

Coco LaFemme: I started watching the show during the Nu!Who era, but I've since watched probably dozens episodes from the 1970s and 80s, and if I had to rank my favorite Doctors, it would go Tennant, Baker, Pertwee, Eccleston, then Smith as the Top 5.  Peter Davison would be just barely below Smith at #6.


You ranked Tennant above backer and Pertwee?

You are just wrong. Tennant might just might beat out Sly Mccoy. That would be about it.


Doctors in order of awesomeness.

Tom Baker
Pertwee
Troughton
Hartnell
Davison
Eccleston
Smith
Collin Baker
McGann
Mccoy
Tennant
 
2013-10-09 12:02:07 AM  

spamdog: zzzz to

p o much doctor who shiat

FIFY
 
2013-10-09 12:07:04 AM  

DemonEater: sirbissel: Also, if Steve "More Doctor Who than ever before this year" Moffat had his hand in the recovery, then I'm willing to forgive him for the last half season, and the (apparent) lack of any classic Doctors in the 50th...

According to Davison:

"I'm making an appearance somewhere over that period of time but I can't reveal in what," said Davison. "I can't reveal anything specific about it. I'm not allowed to."
However, the Fifth Doctor did imply he was not the only pre-Tennant Time Lord set to take part.
"It is a big year for the show and we're all doing our bit for it. Trust me,"

So they're all involved somehow.
McGann tweeted:
Spent forty minutes this pm having to imitate Matt Smith's dramatic delivery in VO. You have been warned....
But later reiterated that he's not in the 50th special, that it's for something else.

So they're doing stuff, but may not necessarily be in the episode itself.

Problem with classic Doctors is they're all incredibly old now.
 

The first three are dead.  So's the guy who impersonated the first in the '80s.  And you just can't impersonate Patrick Troughton or John Pertwee, they're such iconic actors.
Tom Baker is pushing 80 - TWICE as old as he was when he took on the role - and tends to say "NOOOOOOOOO" quite loudly when asked about reprising the role (although keeps saying he'd love to play a baddie).
Peter Davison reprised his role once for a short fan-service one-off, but didn't look quite enough like he used to for a full episode.
Colin Baker is enormously fat and gray now.  He wouldn't fit through the TARDIS door without opening both sides.  Plus of course nobody would watch.
Sylvester McCoy is the only one that could almost pull it off, with a wig or some hair dye and keeping his hat on.
Paul McGann would be fine (and has become accepted as a canon Doctor because of the quality of his Big Finish episodes, not that godawful TV movie), but who knows what his actual involvement is.

It IS a shame that Ecclestone had such a ...


Even though 4 and 5 are my favorite Doctors, I'd really like 7 and 8 to make an appearance-- mostly because, like you said, they were the ones who could honestly pull it off (that and, really, they're the only two, well, and 9, who haven't had a multi-Doctor story) and because 8 really didn't get much of a shot actually being on TV...
 
2013-10-09 12:24:03 AM  

Rozotorical: Coco LaFemme: I started watching the show during the Nu!Who era, but I've since watched probably dozens episodes from the 1970s and 80s, and if I had to rank my favorite Doctors, it would go Tennant, Baker, Pertwee, Eccleston, then Smith as the Top 5.  Peter Davison would be just barely below Smith at #6.

You ranked Tennant above backer and Pertwee?

You are just wrong. Tennant might just might beat out Sly Mccoy. That would be about it.


Doctors in order of awesomeness.

Tom Baker
Pertwee
Troughton
Hartnell
Davison
Eccleston
Smith
Collin Baker
McGann
Mccoy
Tennant


 I strongly believe that the top 5 actors were by far the best of the lot. Not to say I didn't enjoy the rest because I do (with the exception of about 70% of everything Tennant did)  The first five Doctors each in there own way, help define the character in so many ways that the following Doctors just have not been able to do. You could honestly remove the remaining actors on the list, from Cannon and not damage the overall Character of the Doctor in any real or meaningful way.

In all fairness to Mccoy, the writing had gone way down hill by the time he took over. McGann never really stood a chance with the limited run and the terrible TV movie. To be perfectly honest Tennant's Doctor just rubs me the wrong way, he was the first Doctor that I ever wanted to just punch right in his dumb face as irrational as that may be. I generally feel he was just a poor fit for the character to begin with.

The biggest issue with the new Doctors would also be the writing in my opinion. It can be very inconsistent. At times they have some of the best written episodes that are simply fantastic and on the flip side some of the out right painfully bad.


That being said every single Doctor (excluding Mcgann) have at least one episode or serial that rank in my top 20 of all time.
 
2013-10-09 12:30:17 AM  
troughton is my fave, now i get to see the episode for real not just the recreations!

so glad this should be true
 
2013-10-09 12:38:36 AM  

Fursecution: BBC Worldwide is expected to confirm the find at a press screening in London later this week.

Anybody else have a problem with this wording?
/It sounds like BBC News is just passing along a rumor...


BBC News and BBC Entertainment are independent up to the top of the corporate structure.  BBC Worldwide is (I believe) its own separate company, like BBC America.  So rather than stick their dick out and get burned, the News people are playing it safe.  Also: "is expected to confirm" means the press conference hasn't actually been scheduled or announced yet.  If a date and time and the content of the presser had been announced, then they'd say "...will announce".

Unlike a lot of news agencies, BBC News doesn't report something unless its certain.  They'd rather be right than first, which is why they're my go-to site for International news.
 
2013-10-09 12:42:35 AM  

FrancoFile: The effects, in general, sucked back then.
But there is some awesome writing in the 4th doctor's stories - especially the mystery-laden ones. Talons of Weng-Chiang, Pyramids of Mars, Robot, The Brain of Morbius. And Genesis of the Daleks is an all-time top 10 episode.


So what you're saying is you really like Douglas Adams.
 
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