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(Reason Magazine)   Bad: You take too much diabetes medication and require medical attention. Good: Your fiancé is there to help and calls 911. Fark: The police show up at your door and shoot you dead   (reason.com) divider line 169
    More: Fail, Anti-diabetic medication, first aids, Georgia Bureau of Investigation, Florida Times-Union, Daniel Herron  
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2013-10-08 06:43:57 PM  

CarnySaur: Cyclometh: An overdose of insulin can make people behave very illogically, but combative? Anyone in the throes of a sugar crash that bad is going to be barely capable of standing.

My money is on the cops just being trigger happy; we are talking about a poor black family in Georgia here.

For what it's worth, if can tell if I've taken too much insulin because I start getting angry for no apparent reason (or just overreact to things).  However, I have another friend who just starts acting loopy.


I have a colleague at work who turns into a raging asshole if he doesn't eat when he's supposed to.  On the flipside, if he goes out to lunch and eats something that spike his blood sugar, he gets all twitchy and wobbly.

He's one of the few diabetics I know who regularly eats pizza.  He thinks he can control his sugar if he only has two slices, but he always ends up eating six.
 
2013-10-08 06:46:04 PM  

Perpetuous Procrastination: Because we  know there's no better source of objectivity than John Q. Public who spends all day and evening watching C.O.P.S. and major media for determining right and wrong with regards to split-second decisions involving life and death.


Only the police understand the police and everyone else is a moron who cannot possibly understand the mysterious socratic wisdom and omnipotence of the brave men in blue.  Any kind of oversight of the police by anyone except the police themselves is unfair and biased.

Gotcha.

(I'm assuming you're posting one-handed while jacking off a cop with your other hand. Nice typing skills! I'm impressed.)
 
2013-10-08 06:48:34 PM  

Perpetuous Procrastination: dstrick44: gretzkyscores: Cannot be repeated enough: Never, EVER call the cops, or even talk to them. For ANYTHING. EVER.

The halcyon days of Officer Friendly caring about John Q Public and remembering his oath to "protect and defend" are looooong gone. The police have almost entirely succumbed to the militaristic "enemy combatant" mindset and you are now a domestic enemy to be restrained and subdued at all costs, including your life, for any minor transgression or failure to be docile fast enough.

The fact that the few remaining good ones cover and excuse the bad ones is just insult on top of injury.

She called for an ambulance and the cops showed up.
I agree with you. My kids are being taught to avoid the police at all costs.

You apparently didn't bother reading and/or comprehending the entire article, either. But hey, next time you've got someone having a medical issue threatening suicide and/or violence, be sure to avoid calling for emergency services. When the paramedics inevitably show up, though, don't get all butthurt when they tell you to fark off; Even they're not dumb enough to wrestle with a 300lb dude having a medical issue.


I rtfa, douche. And I've had my share of officer friendly screwing up my week because he was bored.
I've managed to raise 5 boys without having to call an ambulance, and I have witnessed one incident almost identical to the one in the article. Only with billy clubs instead of guns.
Ambulance called, cops come, arrest an old, sick man. Next day, his head is the size of a basketball and his brain is swelled against his skull and no one knows who brought him in.
Any time the cops come everyone's day just got a lot worse. They should be avoided at all costs.
 
2013-10-08 06:54:47 PM  
And I happen to personally know a few paramedics and they're decent, normal guys who tend to get a little shell-shocked from the carnage on the roads.
They're the ones I respect. The pay sucks and you get ptsd from pulling dead kids out of cars.
I wouldn't waste their time unless you're talking severed limbs or something.
 
2013-10-08 07:42:55 PM  

dstrick44: Perpetuous Procrastination: dstrick44: gretzkyscores: Cannot be repeated enough: Never, EVER call the cops, or even talk to them. For ANYTHING. EVER.

The halcyon days of Officer Friendly caring about John Q Public and remembering his oath to "protect and defend" are looooong gone. The police have almost entirely succumbed to the militaristic "enemy combatant" mindset and you are now a domestic enemy to be restrained and subdued at all costs, including your life, for any minor transgression or failure to be docile fast enough.

The fact that the few remaining good ones cover and excuse the bad ones is just insult on top of injury.

She called for an ambulance and the cops showed up.
I agree with you. My kids are being taught to avoid the police at all costs.

You apparently didn't bother reading and/or comprehending the entire article, either. But hey, next time you've got someone having a medical issue threatening suicide and/or violence, be sure to avoid calling for emergency services. When the paramedics inevitably show up, though, don't get all butthurt when they tell you to fark off; Even they're not dumb enough to wrestle with a 300lb dude having a medical issue.

I rtfa, douche. And I've had my share of officer friendly screwing up my week because he was bored.
I've managed to raise 5 boys without having to call an ambulance, and I have witnessed one incident almost identical to the one in the article. Only with billy clubs instead of guns.
Ambulance called, cops come, arrest an old, sick man. Next day, his head is the size of a basketball and his brain is swelled against his skull and no one knows who brought him in.
Any time the cops come everyone's day just got a lot worse. They should be avoided at all costs.


You read it and failed to comprehend it. You implied all that was necessary was an "ambulance" when, given the printed facts, that was clearly not the case. Add on top of that the fact that A.) we don't have all of the details and B.) people regularly engage in hyperbole after doing stupid shiat involving police and you've got a recipe for outrage based on absolutely nothing.

Shockingly, you and a bunch of others have ignored the fact that you weren't there, this lady's story sounds ridiculously unlikely given the noted statement(s) from all parties involved, and the fact that your single experience is somehow indicative of every single police interaction  ever, no joke.

Yeah, you're someone I want making social decisions. No knee-jerking from you, no!

The majority of the time someone whines about police "messing their day up" they conveniently gloss over the fact that they were acting like a self-important douchenozzle who believes themselves to be above all authority and the law. They want respect from police but refuse to give any themselves. You know, because they "pay the cops wage" and all that other fallacious bullshiat.

Save your sob story for the sensationalist media.
 
2013-10-08 09:04:58 PM  
Any sources other than "Reason" "magazine"?
 
2013-10-08 10:51:28 PM  
Anyone on the cops side needs to get diabetes.

If you're having diabetic issues, you're not standing, let alone wielding anything. You might be on your hands and knees clutching at the ground in extreme pain, but very likely, you're on the ground, crying like a little biatch and clutching yourself.

/had a diabetic boyfriend
//6'4" and played football. This brought him to his knees every time.
 
2013-10-08 11:11:55 PM  
Are we allowed to start shooting back yet?
 
2013-10-08 11:30:05 PM  
more water to me and the rest of the world.

/to soon ?
 
2013-10-08 11:43:28 PM  

khyberkitsune: Anyone on the cops side needs to get diabetes.

If you're having diabetic issues, you're not standing, let alone wielding anything. You might be on your hands and knees clutching at the ground in extreme pain, but very likely, you're on the ground, crying like a little biatch and clutching yourself.

/had a diabetic boyfriend
//6'4" and played football. This brought him to his knees every time.


That's not how diabeetus works.  If you have low blood sugar, there are stages you'll hit on the way down.  If you have high blood sugar, there are stages you hit on the way up.

Each stage is different for each person.  Normally low blood sugar presents as irritability at first, then incoherence, and finally unconsciousness.  High blood sugar can run the gamut from shaking to seizures.

Unless you're having a heart attack or liver failure because of it, blood sugar levels shouldn't double you over in pain.
 
2013-10-09 02:03:49 AM  

the_rev: "He didn't have nothing in his hands at any time or period at all before they came, any time while they were here, anything. They just came in and shot him. He didn't say nothing, the police didn't say nothing, anything..."

I find this verrrrry dubious.


Khellendros: Diabetic issues can make people seem drunk, and sometime belligerent.  Never seen it go violent and threatening, though.

"He didn't have nothing in his hands at any time or period at all before they came, any time while they were here, anything. They just came in and shot him. He didn't say nothing, the police didn't say nothing, anything, it was like a silent movie. You couldn't hear anything, all you could hear were the gun shots go off and I seen them going into his body and he just fell down," cried Alcia Herron, Roberson's fiance."

Yeah, I don't buy that at all.  Cops may not always make the best decisions in a crisis, but they didn't just walk into an unknown situation, pull guns and kill him without threat, provocation, identification, or warning.


If there is one thing I know about poor black people it is that they are very very quiet.
 
2013-10-09 02:09:42 AM  
I read a version of this story with no mention of race at all.  Left me puzzled, why would they shoot the guy.  Read it again with race.  Ah, I get it now.  Guy acting strangely while sick and had the gall to be black at the same time.  If he was smart he would have chosen to be a 20 year old white girl at the VMAs
 
2013-10-09 05:32:04 AM  
Serious question: Why did the police come when you called an ambulance?

If I call for an ambulance in my country, then only an ambulance comes unless I also call for the police for example if there was a traffic accident.
 
2013-10-09 06:53:01 AM  

Ed's Wood: So you'd be cool w/ every facet of your job being recorded & at any moment's notice,  you can be reviewed by a panel of people who aren't trained in your profession, have no idea what it's like to be in your profession & their sole purpose is to use calm, 20/20 hindsight in the safety of a tv monitor to judge how you reacted in the heat of an intense moment where you potentially feared for your own life as well as that of your team's?


Well, I suppose they could use qualified people to review tapes.

But please, proceed with your tirade.
 
2013-10-09 06:55:37 AM  

Perpetuous Procrastination: Because we  know there's no better source of objectivity than John Q. Public who spends all day and evening watching C.O.P.S. and major media for determining right and wrong with regards to split-second decisions involving life and death.

I mean, it's not like this thread is  full of mouth-breathing imbeciles who label anyone and everyone with a badge as a "pig" who wouldn't hesitate to ignore all reasoning and common sense just to "stick it to the man."

Good call, champ. People can't even read a farking news article and articulate  the stated facts correctly, and you think they should be deciding matters like police action. Guffaw.



Nice strawman. However, I suppose the tapes could be viewed by a qualified review board and not simply thrown on youtube for public comment as you seem to be imagining.
 
2013-10-09 10:11:33 AM  

jjorsett: Your Black Muslim Credit Union: Well clearly he shouldn't have been a large black man. Hasn't there been other cases of people with the beetus getting shot/tazed because they were acting strange.

I know there have been cases where people were tazed because they "didn't follow orders". Of course, they were in a diabetic coma at the time, but it was true they didn't follow orders.


There was 1 good cop story I remember seeing. The cop was chasing what he thought was a drunk driver as the truck was driving erratically. The truck crashed into a car in someones driveway. The cop approached and opened the drivers door. Noticing the driver had a medical bracelet, he called for an ambulance. Turned out the man was on the version of passing out due to low blood sugar. But this was back when cops were actually good at their jobs and not judgmental pricks or power crazed people.
 
2013-10-09 12:20:53 PM  
Cop angry:  You tazed/beat/molested/etc.
Cop scared:  You die.


Any questions?
 
2013-10-09 02:02:50 PM  

lucksi: Serious question: Why did the police come when you called an ambulance?

If I call for an ambulance in my country, then only an ambulance comes unless I also call for the police for example if there was a traffic accident.



It's more common in urban areas than it is rural areas, but typically they'll respond when the dispatcher feels there might be a threat to the crew, or someone being combative.

Certain cities send police automatically on certain types of calls because their crews have been assaulted many times.
 
2013-10-09 02:26:30 PM  

hardinparamedic: lucksi: Serious question: Why did the police come when you called an ambulance?

If I call for an ambulance in my country, then only an ambulance comes unless I also call for the police for example if there was a traffic accident.


It's more common in urban areas than it is rural areas, but typically they'll respond when the dispatcher feels there might be a threat to the crew, or someone being combative.

Certain cities send police automatically on certain types of calls because their crews have been assaulted many times.


If the caller reported that the person was comabative and threatening to harm himself, then absolutely the police would have been dispatched.  Most cities have combined police\fire\ems dispatch centers.
 
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