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2013-10-08 03:03:19 PM  

SuperNinjaToad: True story...about 2 months ago my 82 yr old neighbor fell down and couldn't get up . however she was able to call 911 saying she fell and requested help. No panic, no nothing.
Guess what? 3 cop cars showed up and THEN the FD showed up.


Cops like shooting old ladies, too.
 
2013-10-08 03:05:11 PM  

Another Government Employee: I've dealt with a few folks in hypoglycemic events. They can be seriously scary.


I am hypoglycemic.  I have to keep tabs on my sugar, because I become one serious asshole if my sugar gets low.  Had a serious freakout once at Six Flags because I waited too long to eat, was in line at a food stand and the poor girl trying to ring up our food purchases was having problems with her register.  I was loud, aggressive, profane, and generally showing my ass.  Hell, had an episode at a WalMart self checkout line once and almost ripped the damn thing off the wall because it would not register that I had placed an item in the bagging area.

I'm much better these days at maintaining my levels.
 
2013-10-08 03:07:35 PM  
Hire a bunch of borderline retarded roid-freaks and Army reject sociopaths at bargain prices and give them state of the art weaponry and zero accountability. Tada.

But I'm sure we didn't hear the whole story. He approached them aggressively with glucose test strips and insulin syringes in close proximity.
 
2013-10-08 03:09:54 PM  
gshepnyc: If cops don't start facing very, very serious consequences for these things, not only will they not stop, they will get worse.

When the police take a life, we need to start bringing them trial the same as we would with a civilian under the same circumstances. Let a jury decide if it was justified, not an internal review board. If the jury says it wasn't justified, let the cop go to prison.


Clearly, they can no longer be trusted to exercise good judgment on their own.


And here's the issue - you presume the police CAN exercise good judgement on their own.
 
2013-10-08 03:11:06 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: surewewang: phojo1946: Again, we have the 95% of the cops that are giving the good, decent 5% a bad name!

but since those 95% look the other way...they can't be trusted either.

Go back and re-read that post. It ain't sayin' what you think it is...


HA! I read it as a bit snarky but I guess i really had the idea instead of the literal in my head and wanted to tell the story.  =/
 
2013-10-08 03:23:04 PM  

Girl Pants: Wait, why did police respond to a medical emergency at all? Clearly there are missing details.

If I'm sick and dying I don't need a SWAT team.


SWAT nope, but there are legitimate reasons why the police would show up with EMS.

Let me get to a laptop after I get out of ASLS and Ill kind of explain, if one of the fine providers in this thread don't do that before me.
 
2013-10-08 03:26:37 PM  

hardinparamedic: Girl Pants: Wait, why did police respond to a medical emergency at all? Clearly there are missing details.

If I'm sick and dying I don't need a SWAT team.

SWAT nope, but there are legitimate reasons why the police would show up with EMS.

Let me get to a laptop after I get out of ASLS and Ill kind of explain, if one of the fine providers in this thread don't do that before me.


Then explain why there are legitimate reasons for these police to be militarized and trigger happy all while  not being able to recognize someone in medical distress at these calls.
 
2013-10-08 03:27:47 PM  

frepnog: Another Government Employee: I've dealt with a few folks in hypoglycemic events. They can be seriously scary.

I am hypoglycemic.  I have to keep tabs on my sugar, because I become one serious asshole if my sugar gets low.  Had a serious freakout once at Six Flags because I waited too long to eat, was in line at a food stand and the poor girl trying to ring up our food purchases was having problems with her register.  I was loud, aggressive, profane, and generally showing my ass.  Hell, had an episode at a WalMart self checkout line once and almost ripped the damn thing off the wall because it would not register that I had placed an item in the bagging area.

I'm much better these days at maintaining my levels.


I'm sorry you've got that cross to bear. It's no fun. One time, dad had a crash at Lowes and didn't realize it, walked out with 100$ in merchandise. Cops and everything (thankfully, white, so no guns). Cops actually came down to get me from my work place (had no car) to calm him down. And the nice people at Lowes didn't press charges.
 
2013-10-08 03:27:52 PM  
Sin_City_Superhero:

A board made up of civilians that want to be cops, and the actual cops that they work in direct contact with, are charged with investigating other cops. You don't see that there might be a conflict of interest here?

Except that isn't at all the case in civilian review boards.  Successful CRBs are either appointed by City Councils (See: Berkeley Police Review Division), elected members of the city council itself (See: Portland Internal Investigations Auditing Committe), employees of Inspectors General chosen specifically for the task (See: LAPD Citizen's Commission), or a prosecutor/auditor from the local Prosecutor's office (See: San Jose IA/PSCU).  There are some communities that impanel grand juries for review that are exclusively chosen from the civilian population without any government influence beyond the initial panel selection.

I don't like cops, but fark learn about the things you're saying before randomly spouting off.
 
2013-10-08 03:32:16 PM  

Headso: Then explain why there are legitimate reasons for these police to be militarized and trigger happy all while  not being able to recognize someone in medical distress at these calls.


Uh, I haven't even read the article, or searched for other news articles or reports on the matter.

I'm not going to do anything until I can do that. Hard to do on an iPhone.

Look. I get you want to splooge all over the thread, but all I said was that many cities send police automatically on all calls for EMS, or if there is reason to suspect the patient might be a threat to the crews

Hands above the keyboard, Mister.
 
2013-10-08 03:47:32 PM  

Khellendros: Cops may not always make the best decisions in a crisis, but they didn't just walk into an unknown situation, pull guns and kill him without threat, provocation, identification, or warning.


yafh.com
 
2013-10-08 03:49:36 PM  

silvervial: generallyso: They're lucky he was the only person hit. Usually when the police start shooting they hose down the entire block with lead.

[i.imgur.com image 500x282]
After the incident, police ordered residents to stay indoors, but from his window Goo could see dozens of yellow markers on the ground used to mark the stray bullets. While out surveying the damage, he counted five bullets in his entryway, a bullet hole in his garage door, two bullets hits his silver Lexus and another bullet grazed the hood of his Oldsmobile.

"We are lucky because our cars are drivable, unlike our neighbors'," he said. ...

"That's why we live here because it is safe," said the cardiologist technician. "It's ironic that the only violence we experienced here is from LAPD."


From a distance of less than 10 feet , the officers, Craig Matthews and Robert Sinishtaj, answered in unison; one shot nine times and the other seven.
...
But the officers also struck some, if not all, of the nine bystanders who were wounded.


[i.imgur.com image 850x473]

You know, I think I can pinpoint when "That" became "This". Remember back in the early 90's there was a bank robbery in So Cal where the perpetrators were dressed in Kevlar head to toe and carried some major weaponry? They mowed down the cops and civilians left and right and the cops weapons couldn't touch them. Finally a SWAT team was assembled and arrived at the scene and they had the firepower to take the two men down. The cops had felt completely vulnerable (they were) and totally inadequate (they were) to handle the situation and I think that scared every police department in the country. It started building from there. Yes, there were SWAT teams in existence prior to the incident, hell there was even a TV show about SWAT in the 70's, but they were rarely used up until then - they weren't the *routine* response unit. From that point on, they started getting called out on more and more and more incidences, and it's ramped up from there. That's ...


The Hollywood shoot out. At the time there was a gun store nearby, so the cops went to the gun store to get a AR-15's to take out the remaining shooter (the first one got injured and then sucked on the business end of his rifle). The 2 robbers were killed. 11 police officers and 8 civilians were injured.
 
2013-10-08 03:52:05 PM  

saintstryfe: frepnog: Another Government Employee: I've dealt with a few folks in hypoglycemic events. They can be seriously scary.

I am hypoglycemic.  I have to keep tabs on my sugar, because I become one serious asshole if my sugar gets low.  Had a serious freakout once at Six Flags because I waited too long to eat, was in line at a food stand and the poor girl trying to ring up our food purchases was having problems with her register.  I was loud, aggressive, profane, and generally showing my ass.  Hell, had an episode at a WalMart self checkout line once and almost ripped the damn thing off the wall because it would not register that I had placed an item in the bagging area.

I'm much better these days at maintaining my levels.

I'm sorry you've got that cross to bear. It's no fun. One time, dad had a crash at Lowes and didn't realize it, walked out with 100$ in merchandise. Cops and everything (thankfully, white, so no guns). Cops actually came down to get me from my work place (had no car) to calm him down. And the nice people at Lowes didn't press charges.


it sucks because it is like I become a completely different person, I mean a person likely to actually attack someone that pissed me off, and it doesn't even have to be anything real, I'm talking Early Cuyler "looked at me crossways" kind of stuff.  I really have to watch it, if I notice that I am getting snappy with people it's time to take a break and eat.
 
2013-10-08 03:52:29 PM  
Cops: reported suicidal en route, guy had a knife, came at cops aggressively

Fiancee:  guy took too much diabeetus medicine, guy had no knife, guy said nothing, cops said nothing, cops came in and shot him

Occam sides with the cops
 
2013-10-08 04:02:23 PM  

Headso: Then explain why there are legitimate reasons for these police to be militarized and trigger happy all while  not being able to recognize someone in medical distress at these calls.


isn't that kind of like asking someone to explain why there are so many f*cktards on Fark who ask idiotic questions?

/your redundancy:  I see it...
 
2013-10-08 04:12:29 PM  

Daffydil: Headso: Then explain why there are legitimate reasons for these police to be militarized and trigger happy all while  not being able to recognize someone in medical distress at these calls.

isn't that kind of like asking someone to explain why there are so many f*cktards on Fark who ask idiotic questions?

/your redundancy:  I see it...


heh! looks like you are asking an idiotic question, f*cktard.
 
2013-10-08 04:13:36 PM  
Actually, this story sounds a lot like one that happened locally a couple of years ago:   http://www.vpr.net/news_detail/95363/beating-victim-sues-town-hartfor d /
 
2013-10-08 04:15:22 PM  

Headso: Daffydil: Headso: Then explain why there are legitimate reasons for these police to be militarized and trigger happy all while  not being able to recognize someone in medical distress at these calls.

isn't that kind of like asking someone to explain why there are so many f*cktards on Fark who ask idiotic questions?

/your redundancy:  I see it...

heh! looks like you are asking an idiotic question, f*cktard.


so you can't understand the sentence?  This does not surprise me...
 
2013-10-08 04:20:05 PM  

oldfarthenry: Is this the GOP's alternative to Obamacare?


How is "business as usual" an alternative?
 
2013-10-08 04:20:05 PM  
Isn't this one of those situations where the cops should, you know, use their tasers? Seems like the kind of situation the damned things were designed for.
 
2013-10-08 04:20:19 PM  

Daffydil: Headso: Daffydil: Headso: Then explain why there are legitimate reasons for these police to be militarized and trigger happy all while  not being able to recognize someone in medical distress at these calls.

isn't that kind of like asking someone to explain why there are so many f*cktards on Fark who ask idiotic questions?

/your redundancy:  I see it...

heh! looks like you are asking an idiotic question, f*cktard.

so you can't understand the sentence?  This does not surprise me...


your sentence was in the form of a question, it was idiotic, you seem like a f*cktard... I dunno, I think I got the gist of it.
 
2013-10-08 04:21:00 PM  

mike_d85: borg: exick: I really would like to hear the entirety of this story because none of this makes any sense whatsoever.

In short: cops are stupid. Dumb farking pig sees someone they think is drunk or on drugs and uncooperative but is in insulin shock  Pig feels threatened and shoots victim dead.

^^This.  A cop walked into a situation with nothing other than "medical emergency" or possibly "overdose" for info, a guy moved toward the door and appeared aggressive and they thought he'd OD'd on bathsalts and was going full zombie.

gretzkyscores: Cannot be repeated enough: Never, EVER call the cops, or even talk to them. For ANYTHING. EVER.


Eh... pretty much this.  If you're actually IN a situation, don't call.  If you're reporting something that ALREADY HAPPENED, call them.  Police must walk into a totally begnign situation in order to be in anything remotely resembling control of themselves.


It's attitudes towards law enforcement like this ^^^

that make people say stuff like this:

"We called 911 for my son cause he wasn't feeling good so instead of 911 coming, the police came and they rushed in and my son came out of the kitchen, him and my daughter-in-law," said Roberson. "Police rushed in and my son went to the living room door. The police came in, pulled his gun out, my son put his hands up and they shot him, they shot him down."
 
2013-10-08 04:21:02 PM  
So, he doesn't have diabetes anymore... right?
 
2013-10-08 04:30:18 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Why do cops need to respond at all to a medical call?

Don't believe the hype, being a cop is one of the easiest jobs on the planet. They generally have nothing to do. Boredom would actually explain a lot of their actions.


That leads to the question about what the cops were expecting to see when they got there. It must not have been called in as a traditional medical. Perhaps the woman told the 911 operator that her husband was being violent, or threatening her or the other people in the house. Maybe he was threatening to kill himself. It's also possible that maybe the caller didn't *say* anything about the victim's mental or emotional state, but that there was enough of a disturbance happening in the background during the call that the dispatcher decided to send PD as a precaution. As others have said, a diabetic event can lead to some pretty extreme behavior, and there has to be a reason why the cops made the choice they did.
 
2013-10-08 04:31:47 PM  
ITT: a bunch of people who take media sensationalism way too seriously. Anyone using the word "pig" to describe cops in general either has a lengthy criminal record or lacks the basic common sense to understand they're being brainwashed.

Double-down points for anyone who thinks police were "Officer Friendly" in the past.
 
2013-10-08 04:34:55 PM  

TrixieDelite: HotWingConspiracy: Why do cops need to respond at all to a medical call?

Don't believe the hype, being a cop is one of the easiest jobs on the planet. They generally have nothing to do. Boredom would actually explain a lot of their actions.

That leads to the question about what the cops were expecting to see when they got there. It must not have been called in as a traditional medical. Perhaps the woman told the 911 operator that her husband was being violent, or threatening her or the other people in the house. Maybe he was threatening to kill himself. It's also possible that maybe the caller didn't *say* anything about the victim's mental or emotional state, but that there was enough of a disturbance happening in the background during the call that the dispatcher decided to send PD as a precaution. As others have said, a diabetic event can lead to some pretty extreme behavior, and there has to be a reason why the cops made the choice they did.


FTA: "Police also say they were informed Roberson had attempted to commit suicide and was being combative while on their way to his residence."

So you have it correct.

But yeah, those kinds of facts get in the way of the outrage by people who "hate" the cops but will call them the instant they're in need of help.

I'm also impressed by the knowledge of people who aren't cops but apparently experts on the job.
 
2013-10-08 04:37:09 PM  

HangMan: Obligatory...

[imageshack.com image 400x400]


This is the first time I've seen that and I feel a little bad for how hard it made me laugh.
 
2013-10-08 04:38:50 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: SuperNinjaToad: True story...about 2 months ago my 82 yr old neighbor fell down and couldn't get up . however she was able to call 911 saying she fell and requested help. No panic, no nothing.
Guess what? 3 cop cars showed up and THEN the FD showed up.

Cops like shooting old ladies, too.


Only the terrible shots.  Moving targets provide more sport.
 
2013-10-08 04:39:11 PM  

oldfarthenry: Is this the GOP's alternative to Obamacare?


No this is just another story of the Obamacare death panels!
 
2013-10-08 04:41:07 PM  

Dragonflew: Why did they shoot him? Was he barking?


i shouldn't laugh, but i did.
 
2013-10-08 04:43:52 PM  

saintstryfe: frepnog: Another Government Employee: I've dealt with a few folks in hypoglycemic events. They can be seriously scary.

I am hypoglycemic.  I have to keep tabs on my sugar, because I become one serious asshole if my sugar gets low.  Had a serious freakout once at Six Flags because I waited too long to eat, was in line at a food stand and the poor girl trying to ring up our food purchases was having problems with her register.  I was loud, aggressive, profane, and generally showing my ass.  Hell, had an episode at a WalMart self checkout line once and almost ripped the damn thing off the wall because it would not register that I had placed an item in the bagging area.

I'm much better these days at maintaining my levels.

I'm sorry you've got that cross to bear. It's no fun. One time, dad had a crash at Lowes and didn't realize it, walked out with 100$ in merchandise. Cops and everything (thankfully, white, so no guns). Cops actually came down to get me from my work place (had no car) to calm him down. And the nice people at Lowes didn't press charges.


http://www.southparkstudios.com/full-episodes/s11e08-le-petit-touret te
 
2013-10-08 04:52:10 PM  

TrixieDelite: It's attitudes towards law enforcement like this ^^^

that make people say stuff like this:

"We called 911 for my son cause he wasn't feeling good so instead of 911 coming, the police came and they rushed in and my son came out of the kitchen, him and my daughter-in-law," said Roberson. "Police rushed in and my son went to the living room door. The police came in, pulled his gun out, my son put his hands up and they shot him, they shot him down."


I'm glad our children were here to hear that today.  Not only was that authentic mountain jibberish, but Johnson Howard makes an excellent point.
 
2013-10-08 04:53:38 PM  
Black man.
State of JAWJUH.
Cops.
Who is surprised at this outcome?
 
2013-10-08 04:59:17 PM  
This story really makes me sad, even if the police were in the right (which I don't yet believe). Time will tell, as many have commented, but you do not kill a man unless it is absolutely necessary to protect your own life or the lives of those around you. I'm biting my tongue due to the fact that we don't know the facts.. still, it seems, like another said in the posts above me, that they could have tazed / tased him and taken him to the hospital without using fatal force. The mere fact that the cops are on PAID LEAVE is soooo frustrating, whether or not he was indeed harnessing weapons. If the case ends with the police innocent, give them back-pay and let them be on their way and back on duty; if they were in the wrong - they deserve no pay, to be fired, and (if I had it my way) to go to federal pound me in the *** prison.  I truly hope that the police were acting appropriate... This just seems like guilty until proven innocent while a man lost his life, and it seems like he had a caring and concerned family for his health and mental stability. What's worse about this is that I do not know what we can do for his family or the police, whichever were in the right. Maybe I'm in a mood today, but this story just lit a fire under me and gave me the shivers.
 
2013-10-08 05:00:50 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: Isn't this one of those situations where the cops should, you know, use their tasers? Seems like the kind of situation the damned things were designed for.


That's what we were told.   Some of us even believed that line.
 
2013-10-08 05:03:28 PM  
Well, thanks to the brave officers, he doesn't have diabetes anymore.
 
2013-10-08 05:12:02 PM  
BREAKING NEWS: Police In Georgia Find Cure For Diabetus!
 
2013-10-08 05:13:24 PM  

Cyclometh: Khellendros: Cops may not always make the best decisions in a crisis, but they didn't just walk into an unknown situation, pull guns and kill him without threat, provocation, identification, or warning.

[yafh.com image 695x316]


Quite serious.  The characterization of cops as these automatons that gun people down indiscriminately is total BS.  Anyone claiming they showed up on the scene, opened the door, walked in, said nothing, drew their weapons and shot this guy down in silence when he didn't pull a weapon, say anything, act threatening, or come after them is crap.

Now, he may have made a threatening move, pulled a weapon, lunged at them, whatever.  They would have pulled their weapons, yelled a warning, and if he persisted, they'd have opened fire.  Something like that.  And it may have even been completely wrong for them to do so, and they're guilty of murder for being too jumpy and fearful.  I'm ok with that claim.

But to say it happened like her quote characterized it is beyond belief, even if you're someone who hates cops and think they're all corrupt.  That they just walked him, saw him sitting there, pulled their weapons and killed him.  BS.
 
2013-10-08 05:21:44 PM  
it;s their job to shoot people
 
2013-10-08 05:24:41 PM  

SpectroBoy: jjorsett: Another example of why cops should be required to wear video recording devices. Both to protect themselves against false accusations and to expose the ones that abuse their powers.

THIS

I find it offensive that the police union blocks this. Cameras (mostly) tell the truth. If cops are honest it would protect them from BS claims (as this one appears to be).



So you'd be cool w/ every facet of your job being recorded & at any moment's notice,  you can be reviewed by a panel of people who aren't trained in your profession, have no idea what it's like to be in your profession & their sole purpose is to use calm, 20/20 hindsight in the safety of a tv monitor to judge how you reacted in the heat of an intense moment where you potentially feared for your own life as well as that of your team's?

sounds awesome, I can't imagine why anybody my object to that.
 
2013-10-08 05:30:00 PM  

gretzkyscores: Cannot be repeated enough: Never, EVER call the cops, or even talk to them. For ANYTHING. EVER.

The halcyon days of Officer Friendly caring about John Q Public and remembering his oath to "protect and defend" are looooong gone. The police have almost entirely succumbed to the militaristic "enemy combatant" mindset and you are now a domestic enemy to be restrained and subdued at all costs, including your life, for any minor transgression or failure to be docile fast enough.

The fact that the few remaining good ones cover and excuse the bad ones is just insult on top of injury.


She called for an ambulance and the cops showed up.
I agree with you. My kids are being taught to avoid the police at all costs.
 
2013-10-08 05:30:20 PM  
He doesn't need medical attention anymore.
Problem solved.
 
2013-10-08 05:39:25 PM  

dstrick44: gretzkyscores: Cannot be repeated enough: Never, EVER call the cops, or even talk to them. For ANYTHING. EVER.

The halcyon days of Officer Friendly caring about John Q Public and remembering his oath to "protect and defend" are looooong gone. The police have almost entirely succumbed to the militaristic "enemy combatant" mindset and you are now a domestic enemy to be restrained and subdued at all costs, including your life, for any minor transgression or failure to be docile fast enough.

The fact that the few remaining good ones cover and excuse the bad ones is just insult on top of injury.

She called for an ambulance and the cops showed up.
I agree with you. My kids are being taught to avoid the police at all costs.


You apparently didn't bother reading and/or comprehending the entire article, either. But hey, next time you've got someone having a medical issue threatening suicide and/or violence, be sure to avoid calling for emergency services. When the paramedics inevitably show up, though, don't get all butthurt when they tell you to fark off; Even they're not dumb enough to wrestle with a 300lb dude having a medical issue.
 
2013-10-08 06:02:50 PM  

oldfarthenry: Is this the GOP's alternative to Obamacare?


Nope, just the obamacare death panel swat team in action.
 
2013-10-08 06:06:34 PM  

borg: exick: I really would like to hear the entirety of this story because none of this makes any sense whatsoever.

In short: cops are stupid. Dumb farking pig sees someone they think is drunk or on drugs and uncooperative but is in insulin shock  Pig feels threatened and shoots victim dead.


Since you were there, you probably should have done something to stop the police
 
2013-10-08 06:11:22 PM  

Ed's Wood: So you'd be cool w/ every facet of your job being recorded & at any moment's notice,  you can be reviewed by a panel of people who aren't trained in your profession, have no idea what it's like to be in your profession & their sole purpose is to use calm, 20/20 hindsight in the safety of a tv monitor to judge how you reacted in the heat of an intense moment where you potentially feared for your own life as well as that of your team's?


The guy I do most of my consulting for can do all of that by checking IT records, listening to my calls if he wants, checking my work logs etc.  If he wants to stand over my desk (or hire someone to stand over my desk) and watch me work then that's his choice to do so, since he pays the bills.

If you work for the public?  Yeah, cops shouldn't have a problem with the public looking over their shoulder to make sure they're not corrupt, violent, abusive, failing the public trust etc.  Given that so very many cops DO seem to be violent, abusive and happy to violate the public's trust (and that for every bad cop there must be at least five to ten other cops who know their co-worker is bad but who say nothing due to the blue wall of silence) it doesn't seem at all unreasonable to want some close scrutiny on their actions.


/this post may be recorded for quality assurance
 
2013-10-08 06:18:24 PM  

Ed's Wood: So you'd be cool w/ every facet of your job being recorded & at any moment's notice, you can be reviewed by a panel of people who aren't trained in your profession, have no idea what it's like to be in your profession & their sole purpose is to use calm, 20/20 hindsight in the safety of a tv monitor to judge how you reacted in the heat of an intense moment where you potentially feared for your own life as well as that of your team's?


If you're doing nothing wrong, the camera will be show that. If you are a cop that objects to being recorded (video and audio) I have to question why. What are you doing, or plan to do that you don't want the public to know about, and why? Also, if you get paid with public funds, there should be MORE transparancy than the private sector...not less. If you can't handle the duties of the job, or the stress of the job, perhaps law enforcememnt isn't for you.*
*Of course I'm not referring to you personally. You know what I'm sayin'...
 
2013-10-08 06:29:25 PM  

InitialCommentGuy: Sin_City_Superhero: The Georgia Bureau of Investigation is reviewing the shooting and the officers involved are on paid leave.

Good news, folks...the police are investigating the police officers that are responsible for this. If the police determine that the police officers were out of line, then the police are sure to discipline the police officers responsible.

Upon review the GBI serves as a state version of Internal Affairs for bias crimes, force claims, and dirty cop investigations for small departments such as Waycross.  They seem to use civilians as part of the panel per normal IAD procedures in these cases (at least in my state).

What exactly is the issue here?


The issue is that the cops who did this are on vacation while the cops find reasons to call the shooting justified.
Its what they do.
 
2013-10-08 06:37:56 PM  

Bill_Wick's_Friend: Ed's Wood: So you'd be cool w/ every facet of your job being recorded & at any moment's notice,  you can be reviewed by a panel of people who aren't trained in your profession, have no idea what it's like to be in your profession & their sole purpose is to use calm, 20/20 hindsight in the safety of a tv monitor to judge how you reacted in the heat of an intense moment where you potentially feared for your own life as well as that of your team's?

The guy I do most of my consulting for can do all of that by checking IT records, listening to my calls if he wants, checking my work logs etc.  If he wants to stand over my desk (or hire someone to stand over my desk) and watch me work then that's his choice to do so, since he pays the bills.

If you work for the public?  Yeah, cops shouldn't have a problem with the public looking over their shoulder to make sure they're not corrupt, violent, abusive, failing the public trust etc.  Given that so very many cops DO seem to be violent, abusive and happy to violate the public's trust (and that for every bad cop there must be at least five to ten other cops who know their co-worker is bad but who say nothing due to the blue wall of silence) it doesn't seem at all unreasonable to want some close scrutiny on their actions.


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Because we  know there's no better source of objectivity than John Q. Public who spends all day and evening watching C.O.P.S. and major media for determining right and wrong with regards to split-second decisions involving life and death.

I mean, it's not like this thread is  full of mouth-breathing imbeciles who label anyone and everyone with a badge as a "pig" who wouldn't hesitate to ignore all reasoning and common sense just to "stick it to the man."

Good call, champ. People can't even read a farking news article and articulate  the stated facts correctly, and you think they should be deciding matters like police action. Guffaw.
 
2013-10-08 06:43:21 PM  

oldfarthenry: Is this the GOP's alternative to Obamacare?


This just in: The GOP's alternative to Obamacare is ...

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Obamacare!
 
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