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(Reason Magazine)   Bad: You take too much diabetes medication and require medical attention. Good: Your fiancé is there to help and calls 911. Fark: The police show up at your door and shoot you dead   (reason.com) divider line 169
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2013-10-08 01:05:43 PM
Pigs
 
2013-10-08 01:13:18 PM
Diabetic while black.  He should have known better.
 
2013-10-08 01:13:25 PM
She called the wrong number.  She wanted 1-800-AMBULANCE, but called 1-800-AMBUSHME instead.
 
2013-10-08 01:16:26 PM
Is this the GOP's alternative to Obamacare?
 
2013-10-08 01:17:20 PM
The increasing willingness of police to see every situation as requiring a SWAT response is a really terrifying development that I don't think gets nearly enough attention.
 
2013-10-08 01:21:52 PM
that not what she meant when she said he needed a shot.
 
2013-10-08 01:22:47 PM
I really would like to hear the entirety of this story because none of this makes any sense whatsoever.
 
2013-10-08 01:38:11 PM
"He didn't have nothing in his hands at any time or period at all before they came, any time while they were here, anything. They just came in and shot him. He didn't say nothing, the police didn't say nothing, anything..."

I find this verrrrry dubious.
 
2013-10-08 01:41:32 PM

exick: I really would like to hear the entirety of this story because none of this makes any sense whatsoever.


Exactly.

As usual, the truth is somewhere in between the Family's story and the Cops story.
 
2013-10-08 01:42:01 PM
Quaker muhfuggin' oats.

www.imfdb.org
 
2013-10-08 01:42:09 PM

exick: I really would like to hear the entirety of this story because none of this makes any sense whatsoever.


I am sure this is all factually accurate and the complete chain of events with nothing left out or embellished to sell a particular ideological narrative.
 
2013-10-08 01:42:41 PM
Why did they shoot him? Was he barking?
 
2013-10-08 01:44:29 PM
Well clearly he shouldn't have been a large black man. Hasn't there been other cases of people with the beetus getting shot/tazed because they were acting strange.
 
2013-10-08 01:44:36 PM
Another example of why cops should be required to wear video recording devices. Both to protect themselves against false accusations and to expose the ones that abuse their powers.
 
2013-10-08 01:44:59 PM
Somebody, perhaps everybody, is not telling the whole truth here.
 
2013-10-08 01:45:07 PM
An overdose of insulin can make people behave very illogically, but combative? Anyone in the throes of a sugar crash that bad is going to be barely capable of standing.

My money is on the cops just being trigger happy; we are talking about a poor black family in Georgia here.
 
2013-10-08 01:46:24 PM

jjorsett: Another example of why cops should be required to wear video recording devices. Both to protect themselves against false accusations and to expose the ones that abuse their powers.


Plus all the upskirt shots they'll record.
 
2013-10-08 01:46:29 PM

Your Black Muslim Credit Union: Well clearly he shouldn't have been a large black man. Hasn't there been other cases of people with the beetus getting shot/tazed because they were acting strange.


I know there have been cases where people were tazed because they "didn't follow orders". Of course, they were in a diabetic coma at the time, but it was true they didn't follow orders.
 
2013-10-08 01:47:21 PM
I find the story believable as written.  Have seen similar things (not ending in death) with my own eyes, having lived next to a big hospital.  People shot or beaten in the parking lot while seeking medical care.

Very medieval, really.
 
2013-10-08 01:47:27 PM
 
2013-10-08 01:47:54 PM
Seems like the truth is somewhere between the two stories being proffered.  Even so, couldn't the police subdue him with non-lethal force were he actually brandishing a knife?  I'm sure there's some kind of protocol.  Maybe protocol dictated lethal force though.
 
2013-10-08 01:47:55 PM
I'll try to withhold judgement...

They could have tazed him right?! I mean we do arm our finest with LESS then lethal weapons so people do not have to die needlessly.

/cops are always scared for their lives
//maybe cause they know the bullshiat they get away with is going to catch up to them one day
 
2013-10-08 01:48:08 PM
If cops don't start facing very, very serious consequences for these things, not only will they not stop, they will get worse.

When the police take a life, we need to start bringing them trial the same as we would with a civilian under the same circumstances. Let a jury decide if it was justified, not an internal review board. If the jury says it wasn't justified, let the cop go to prison.

Clearly, they can no longer be trusted to exercise good judgment on their own.
 
2013-10-08 01:48:56 PM

Dragonflew: Why did they shoot him? Was he barking?


Good call
 
2013-10-08 01:49:18 PM

Cyclometh: An overdose of insulin can make people behave very illogically, but combative? Anyone in the throes of a sugar crash that bad is going to be barely capable of standing.

My money is on the cops just being trigger happy; we are talking about a poor black family in Georgia here.


For what it's worth, if can tell if I've taken too much insulin because I start getting angry for no apparent reason (or just overreact to things).  However, I have another friend who just starts acting loopy.
 
2013-10-08 01:49:19 PM

HangMan: Quaker muhfuggin' oats.

[www.imfdb.org image 400x225]


Ahhhh, Hard Target, took me a bit.

And I dated a girl whose sister had the beetus, she had a insulin reaction one day and dislocated both her arms.  I can see the large black guy flipping out and scaring the poor armed police into shooting him.  Dumb cops.
 
2013-10-08 01:49:36 PM
You are black and you live in waay waaay South Georgia, you call 911 to report that a black person is acting irrationally and the cops show up and shoot the guy and all of sudden you are surprised?
 
2013-10-08 01:50:00 PM

exick: I really would like to hear the entirety of this story because none of this makes any sense whatsoever.


In short: cops are stupid. Dumb farking pig sees someone they think is drunk or on drugs and uncooperative but is in insulin shock  Pig feels threatened and shoots victim dead.
 
2013-10-08 01:51:14 PM
Diabetic issues can make people seem drunk, and sometime belligerent.  Never seen it go violent and threatening, though.

"He didn't have nothing in his hands at any time or period at all before they came, any time while they were here, anything. They just came in and shot him. He didn't say nothing, the police didn't say nothing, anything, it was like a silent movie. You couldn't hear anything, all you could hear were the gun shots go off and I seen them going into his body and he just fell down," cried Alcia Herron, Roberson's fiance."

Yeah, I don't buy that at all.  Cops may not always make the best decisions in a crisis, but they didn't just walk into an unknown situation, pull guns and kill him without threat, provocation, identification, or warning.
 
2013-10-08 01:51:24 PM

Honest Bender: Diabetic while black.  He should have known better.


Just around midnight, Ah Brown Sugar...
 
2013-10-08 01:51:39 PM
He didn't do nothin'.
 
2013-10-08 01:53:14 PM

jake_lex: The increasing willingness of police to see every situation as requiring a SWAT response is a really terrifying development that I don't think gets nearly enough attention.


Actually it does and there are even multiple books and thousands of artciles written about the constant militarization and the increase belligerency of PDs all across the country. The problem is even with all the attention given the average Joe and Jane America STILL doesn't give a flying fark!
 
2013-10-08 01:53:16 PM
Well everybody knows the whole of US is a warzone, what with the war on drugs and the war on poverty and the war on White Patriotic America by filthy lazy colored looters and moochers. Of course the fine upstanding police officers had to shoot this homicidal maniac, they did not know if he was hopped up on crank, meth, ice, beenies, pot, PCP, or liberalism.

I say they did their duty to god and White America, we need to send these Heroic cops to the White House to take care of another troublesome darkie.
 
2013-10-08 01:53:27 PM

the_rev: "He didn't have nothing in his hands at any time or period at all before they came, any time while they were here, anything. They just came in and shot him. He didn't say nothing, the police didn't say nothing, anything..."

I find this verrrrry dubious.


Yeah, her version makes no sense at all. She sounds like she is spinning what really happened or hiding something.

Time will tell I guess.
 
2013-10-08 01:53:47 PM
Cannot be repeated enough: Never, EVER call the cops, or even talk to them. For ANYTHING. EVER.

The halcyon days of Officer Friendly caring about John Q Public and remembering his oath to "protect and defend" are looooong gone. The police have almost entirely succumbed to the militaristic "enemy combatant" mindset and you are now a domestic enemy to be restrained and subdued at all costs, including your life, for any minor transgression or failure to be docile fast enough.

The fact that the few remaining good ones cover and excuse the bad ones is just insult on top of injury.
 
2013-10-08 01:54:37 PM

jjorsett: Another example of why cops should be required to wear video recording devices. Both to protect themselves against false accusations and to expose the ones that abuse their powers.


THIS

I find it offensive that the police union blocks this. Cameras (mostly) tell the truth. If cops are honest it would protect them from BS claims (as this one appears to be).
 
2013-10-08 01:55:02 PM
None of this makes any sense. I think we need to wait for the Hallmark Channel to show us what REALLY happened in their upcoming movie-of-the-week, SugarDaddy.
 
2013-10-08 01:55:02 PM
So, less-lethal methods aren't SOP now? Shoot, just taze the guy if you're unsure. Then, if he doesn't comply/respond and continues to be a thread, shoot him.

And yet they want you to believe that somehow a cop with a gun makes better choices than armed civilians do....
 
2013-10-08 01:56:03 PM
Anyone notice double negative?  "He didn't have nothing in his hands..."
 
2013-10-08 01:56:36 PM
"Reason"

Oh thank god. For a second there I thought the tragedy actually happened. This is just anti-government derp, carry along.
 
2013-10-08 01:57:36 PM

dryknife: He didn't do nothin'.


Came here to biatch about her lack of using the word "anything" also.

/her story sounds like bullshiat btw
 
2013-10-08 01:58:06 PM

Khellendros: Diabetic issues can make people seem drunk, and sometime belligerent.  Never seen it go violent and threatening, though.

"He didn't have nothing in his hands at any time or period at all before they came, any time while they were here, anything. They just came in and shot him. He didn't say nothing, the police didn't say nothing, anything, it was like a silent movie. You couldn't hear anything, all you could hear were the gun shots go off and I seen them going into his body and he just fell down," cried Alcia Herron, Roberson's fiance."

Yeah, I don't buy that at all.  Cops may not always make the best decisions in a crisis, but they didn't just walk into an unknown situation, pull guns and kill him without threat, provocation, identification, or warning.


Or some kind of direct command. She makes it sound like Jean Dujardin was taken down by the Keystone Kops. I tend to think there must have been some sort of communication before shiat went down.
 
2013-10-08 01:58:17 PM
My uncle is diabetic and bad about taking care of himself. If his blood sugar gets too low he starts shouting, gets belligerent, and later doesn't remember it (he also faints repeatedly). If someone who didn't know what was going on walked in they'd think he was crazy and/or drunk.

What the cops did was totally and completely inexcusable but I don't think this is as cut and dry as the family is claiming.
 
2013-10-08 01:58:27 PM
Bad: You take too much diabetes medication and require medical attention. Good: Your fiancé is there to help and calls 911. Fark Not even a little surprising: The police show up at your door and shoot you dead

FTFY subby.
 
2013-10-08 01:59:44 PM

gretzkyscores: The halcyon days of Officer Friendly


seattletimes.com
 
2013-10-08 01:59:45 PM

They're lucky he was the only person hit. Usually when the police start shooting they hose down the entire block with lead.



i.imgur.com
After the incident, police ordered residents to stay indoors, but from his window Goo could see dozens of yellow markers on the ground used to mark the stray bullets. While out surveying the damage, he counted five bullets in his entryway, a bullet hole in his garage door, two bullets hits his silver Lexus and another bullet grazed the hood of his Oldsmobile.

"We are lucky because our cars are drivable, unlike our neighbors'," he said. ...

"That's why we live here because it is safe," said the cardiologist technician. "It's ironic that the only violence we experienced here is from LAPD."


From a distance of less than 10 feet , the officers, Craig Matthews and Robert Sinishtaj, answered in unison; one shot nine times and the other seven.
...
But the officers also struck some, if not all, of the nine bystanders who were wounded.


i.imgur.com

 
2013-10-08 02:01:49 PM
sounds like he was trying to commit suicide and that was intervened.  May be that he was 'combative'...still doesn't require a shooting I'd say...

/not sure if I believe her story
//wish people would be honest
 
2013-10-08 02:03:41 PM

oldfarthenry: Is this the GOP's alternative to Obamacare?


Alternative?  These ARE the death panels!
 
2013-10-08 02:04:08 PM

Atypical Person Reading Fark: I find the story believable as written.


You do?  Cops open the door, walk into the room, nobody says anything.  The cops whip out guns, silently pick one of the room's occupants -- the cops must have agreed in advance to commit murder (unless they're psychic cops) -- and kill them for no reason at all.  That is what the mother says happens -- that sounds believable?
 
2013-10-08 02:04:37 PM
Missing info: What was said to 911.

I'm assuming the cops got there first.  They probably were only told there was a drunk, combative male on the premises with no mitigating medical information.

I've dealt with a few folks in hypoglycemic events.  They can be seriously scary.
 
2013-10-08 02:06:38 PM

gshepnyc: If cops don't start facing very, very serious consequences for these things, not only will they not stop, they will get worse.

When the police take a life, we need to start bringing them trial the same as we would with a civilian under the same circumstances. Let a jury decide if it was justified, not an internal review board. If the jury says it wasn't justified, let the cop go to prison.

Clearly, they can no longer be trusted to exercise good judgment on their own.


Cops could never be trusted in the first place. If they had a sense of duty they would join the army. If they were intelligent in the least they would have chosen a different career path.


Whats the fastest way to becoming a cop? Be a solid C student.
 
2013-10-08 02:07:30 PM
Come at cops with knives? What do you want? Pity?
 
2013-10-08 02:08:14 PM

borg: exick: I really would like to hear the entirety of this story because none of this makes any sense whatsoever.

In short: cops are stupid. Dumb farking pig sees someone they think is drunk or on drugs and uncooperative but is in insulin shock  Pig feels threatened and shoots victim dead.


^^This.  A cop walked into a situation with nothing other than "medical emergency" or possibly "overdose" for info, a guy moved toward the door and appeared aggressive and they thought he'd OD'd on bathsalts and was going full zombie.

gretzkyscores: Cannot be repeated enough: Never, EVER call the cops, or even talk to them. For ANYTHING. EVER.



Eh... pretty much this.  If you're actually IN a situation, don't call.  If you're reporting something that ALREADY HAPPENED, call them.  Police must walk into a totally begnign situation in order to be in anything remotely resembling control of themselves.
 
2013-10-08 02:08:38 PM
The Georgia Bureau of Investigation is reviewing the shooting and the officers involved are on paid leave.

Good news, folks...the police are investigating the police officers that are responsible for this. If the police determine that the police officers were out of line, then the police are sure to dicipline the police officers responsible.
 
2013-10-08 02:09:49 PM

jjorsett: Another example of why cops should be required to wear video recording devices. Both to protect themselves against false accusations and to expose the ones that abuse their powers.


All that would happen is a lot of "the recording device malfunctioned" or "the video was lost/corrupted". Good cops and pigs alike are always weak when it comes to pointing the arm of the law back at themselves.
 
2013-10-08 02:10:06 PM
RickN99:  -- that sounds believable?

pretty sure that was sarcasm Sheldon...
 
2013-10-08 02:12:02 PM
yet another deadly unregistered diabetic. How long until we ban diabetes altogether?
 
2013-10-08 02:12:30 PM
I'm not getting it... is something missing? There has to be more. Otherwise, the fiance is describing a mafia hit.
 
2013-10-08 02:13:42 PM

mike_d85: borg: exick: I really would like to hear the entirety of this story because none of this makes any sense whatsoever.

In short: cops are stupid. Dumb farking pig sees someone they think is drunk or on drugs and uncooperative but is in insulin shock  Pig feels threatened and shoots victim dead.

^^This.  A cop walked into a situation with nothing other than "medical emergency" or possibly "overdose" for info, a guy moved toward the door and appeared aggressive and they thought he'd OD'd on bathsalts and was going full zombie.

gretzkyscores: Cannot be repeated enough: Never, EVER call the cops, or even talk to them. For ANYTHING. EVER.


Eh... pretty much this.  If you're actually IN a situation, don't call.  If you're reporting something that ALREADY HAPPENED, call them.  Police must walk into a totally benign situation in order to be in anything remotely resembling control of themselves.


FTFM
 
2013-10-08 02:14:24 PM
I'm about 75% cops are murderous pigs/25% cops were right. The biggest thing in my mind is, has anyone called Al or Jesse?
 
2013-10-08 02:14:27 PM

Beerguy: exick: I really would like to hear the entirety of this story because none of this makes any sense whatsoever.

Exactly.

As usual, the truth is somewhere in between the Family's story and the Cops story.


The truth is not always "somewhere in the middle". It isn't a committee decision. Sometimes one person is telling the truth and another person is lying.
 
2013-10-08 02:14:48 PM

generallyso: They're lucky he was the only person hit. Usually when the police start shooting they hose down the entire block with lead.

[i.imgur.com image 500x282]
After the incident, police ordered residents to stay indoors, but from his window Goo could see dozens of yellow markers on the ground used to mark the stray bullets. While out surveying the damage, he counted five bullets in his entryway, a bullet hole in his garage door, two bullets hits his silver Lexus and another bullet grazed the hood of his Oldsmobile.

"We are lucky because our cars are drivable, unlike our neighbors'," he said. ...

"That's why we live here because it is safe," said the cardiologist technician. "It's ironic that the only violence we experienced here is from LAPD."


From a distance of less than 10 feet , the officers, Craig Matthews and Robert Sinishtaj, answered in unison; one shot nine times and the other seven.
...
But the officers also struck some, if not all, of the nine bystanders who were wounded.


[i.imgur.com image 850x473]


You know, I think I can pinpoint when "That" became "This". Remember back in the early 90's there was a bank robbery in So Cal where the perpetrators were dressed in Kevlar head to toe and carried some major weaponry? They mowed down the cops and civilians left and right and the cops weapons couldn't touch them. Finally a SWAT team was assembled and arrived at the scene and they had the firepower to take the two men down. The cops had felt completely vulnerable (they were) and totally inadequate (they were) to handle the situation and I think that scared every police department in the country. It started building from there. Yes, there were SWAT teams in existence prior to the incident, hell there was even a TV show about SWAT in the 70's, but they were rarely used up until then - they weren't the *routine* response unit. From that point on, they started getting called out on more and more and more incidences, and it's ramped up from there. That's how I remember it anyway.
 
2013-10-08 02:14:55 PM

generallyso: They're lucky he was the only person hit. Usually when the police start shooting they hose down the entire block with lead.

[i.imgur.com image 500x282]
After the incident, police ordered residents to stay indoors, but from his window Goo could see dozens of yellow markers on the ground used to mark the stray bullets. While out surveying the damage, he counted five bullets in his entryway, a bullet hole in his garage door, two bullets hits his silver Lexus and another bullet grazed the hood of his Oldsmobile.

"We are lucky because our cars are drivable, unlike our neighbors'," he said. ...

"That's why we live here because it is safe," said the cardiologist technician. "It's ironic that the only violence we experienced here is from LAPD."


From a distance of less than 10 feet , the officers, Craig Matthews and Robert Sinishtaj, answered in unison; one shot nine times and the other seven.
...
But the officers also struck some, if not all, of the nine bystanders who were wounded.


[i.imgur.com image 850x473]



The woman in that pickup truck was my friends housekeeper. She now doesn't need to work anymore...


/csb
 
2013-10-08 02:15:39 PM

Oafmeel: yet another deadly unregistered diabetic. How long until we ban diabetes altogether?


The only solution is to give EVERYONE diabetes.

/pretty sure the food industry is already on that like white on high fructose rice syrup.
 
2013-10-08 02:16:49 PM
The cops may very well be completely in the wrong here (impossible to say without knowing the actual facts surrounding the incident), but the girlfriend should have come up with a mildly believable story at the very least.
 
2013-10-08 02:17:09 PM
Why do cops need to respond at all to a medical call?

Don't believe the hype, being a cop is one of the easiest jobs on the planet. They generally have nothing to do. Boredom would actually explain a lot of their actions.
 
2013-10-08 02:18:43 PM

RickN99: Atypical Person Reading Fark: I find the story believable as written.

You do?  Cops open the door, walk into the room, nobody says anything.  The cops whip out guns, silently pick one of the room's occupants -- the cops must have agreed in advance to commit murder (unless they're psychic cops) -- and kill them for no reason at all.  That is what the mother says happens -- that sounds believable?


In the context of an increasingly violent Police mentality, it is perfectly believable. We had a cop in my town that just flat out executed a man in the street in broad daylight, shooting him in the back and all that happened was he was allowed to quit rather than face an inquiry. It was cold-blooded murder, and the Cop was never even charged. It was only a "chronic public inebriate" after all. That Cop incidentally, was allowed to apply for disability and now gets about $30,000 per year (plus COL increases) for the rest of his life, courtesy of the taxpayers.

No, the Police know they can do pretty much anything they please and never have to face any real scrutiny for their actions, no matter how egregious.
 
2013-10-08 02:19:30 PM
Again, we have the 95% of the cops that are giving the good, decent 5% a bad name!
 
2013-10-08 02:20:28 PM

anuran: The truth is not always "somewhere in the middle". It isn't a committee decision. Sometimes one person is telling the truth and another person is lying.


say it ain't so...
 
2013-10-08 02:21:17 PM

oldfarthenry: Is this the GOP's alternative to Obamacare?



"Funny"ed. Would LOL again.
 
2013-10-08 02:22:47 PM

Sin_City_Superhero: The Georgia Bureau of Investigation is reviewing the shooting and the officers involved are on paid leave.

Good news, folks...the police are investigating the police officers that are responsible for this. If the police determine that the police officers were out of line, then the police are sure to dicipline the police officers responsible.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-10-08 02:23:54 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Why do cops need to respond at all to a medical call?

Don't believe the hype, being a cop is one of the easiest jobs on the planet. They generally have nothing to do. Boredom would actually explain a lot of their actions.


When you call 911 COPS show up period.. even if you call requesting the fire department and SPECIFICALLY says it's for the kitten stuck up in the tree.

.. and when the cops show up they will be in high adrenaline mode and automatically assume the kitten is actually a codename for an AK-47 armed burglar trying to sneak into your house that also happens to be a meth lab.
 
2013-10-08 02:24:43 PM

Deathfrogg: We had a cop in my town that just flat out executed a man in the street in broad daylight, shooting him in the back and all that happened was he was allowed to quit rather than face an inquiry. It was cold-blooded murder, and the Cop was never even charged. It was only a "chronic public inebriate" after all. That Cop incidentally, was allowed to apply for disability and now gets about $30,000 per year (plus COL increases) for the rest of his life, courtesy of the taxpayers.


Could you dig up an article about that?
 
2013-10-08 02:24:49 PM
Obligatory...
 
2013-10-08 02:26:01 PM
Obligatory...

imageshack.com
 
2013-10-08 02:26:28 PM

Daffydil: anuran: The truth is not always "somewhere in the middle". It isn't a committee decision. Sometimes one person is telling the truth and another person is lying.

say it ain't so...


Remember what Obi-Wan said about points of view?
 
2013-10-08 02:27:19 PM

jjorsett: Another example of why cops should be required to wear video recording devices. Both to protect themselves against false accusations and to expose the ones that abuse their powers.


Yeah. That will happen. In exactly the same random way that dashboard cameras have technical glitches.
 
2013-10-08 02:29:31 PM

give me doughnuts: Remember what Obi-Wan said about points of view?


no...

/now give me doughnuts...
 
2013-10-08 02:30:05 PM

Sin_City_Superhero: The Georgia Bureau of Investigation is reviewing the shooting and the officers involved are on paid leave.

Good news, folks...the police are investigating the police officers that are responsible for this. If the police determine that the police officers were out of line, then the police are sure to discipline the police officers responsible.


Upon review the GBI serves as a state version of Internal Affairs for bias crimes, force claims, and dirty cop investigations for small departments such as Waycross.  They seem to use civilians as part of the panel per normal IAD procedures in these cases (at least in my state).

What exactly is the issue here?
 
2013-10-08 02:35:40 PM

HangMan: Quaker muhfuggin' oats.

[www.imfdb.org image 400x225]


Just watched "Hard Target" last week, so I really got a kick out of this reply.
 
2013-10-08 02:35:49 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Why do cops need to respond at all to a medical call?



SuperNinjaToad: When you call 911 COPS show up period.. even if you call requesting the fire department and SPECIFICALLY says it's for the kitten stuck up in the tree.



I've worked in three different 911 systems as a paramedic and the police only get dispatched if the nature of the call is or has the potential to be violent (shooting, stabbing, assault, etc), if the patient with a medical condition is reported to be combative or there is yelling heard in the background, on an overdose, for auto accidents, and if we request them for some other reason.  On the majority of the medical calls, the police do not get dispatched.

For this particular incident, the dispatcher may have heard yelling, the caller may have indicated the pt was combative, or it may have been dispatched as an overdose where police automatically get dispatched.  I certainly don't believe that the police showed up and shot the guy for no reason.  Whether they could have used other means to subdue him is certainly in question though.
 
2013-10-08 02:36:48 PM

give me doughnuts: Remember what Obi-Wan said about points of view?


Everybody has one and they all stink, except for mine.
 
2013-10-08 02:36:52 PM

generallyso: Deathfrogg: We had a cop in my town that just flat out executed a man in the street in broad daylight, shooting him in the back and all that happened was he was allowed to quit rather than face an inquiry. It was cold-blooded murder, and the Cop was never even charged. It was only a "chronic public inebriate" after all. That Cop incidentally, was allowed to apply for disability and now gets about $30,000 per year (plus COL increases) for the rest of his life, courtesy of the taxpayers.

Could you dig up an article about that?


Even better, theres a vid.

Witnesses to the murder were saying that the dead man hadn't even responded to the officers commands and had only turned his head a little when the Cop opened fire. The knife was closed (Buck 119 folding knife) and it came out later that the Cop and the dead man had had some words earlier in the day that had made the Cop feel like a punk. This guy was executed for embarrassing a Police Officer. Officer Birk had already stated his intention to "get this guy" before this encounter.
It was a deliberate act of murder.
 
2013-10-08 02:37:08 PM
 
2013-10-08 02:37:55 PM
Announcer: Has this ever happened to you?
(Shows an old lady falling down from the top of the the stair, getting up and the falling down another flight of stairs to the ground floor.)
Announcer: From today, dialling 999 won't get you the emergency services. And that's not the only thing that's changing. Nicer ambulances, faster response times and better-looking drivers mean they're not just "the" emergency services - they're "your" emergency services. So, remember the new number:
Announcer: [singing number]: 0118 999 881 999 119 725...3
Announcer: That's...
Announcer: [singing number]: 0118 999 881 999 119 725...3
Old Woman: Hello, I've had a bit of a tumble...
(Shows that Moss is sat there watching the advert)
 Moss: Well, that's easy to remember! [singing number] 0118 999 881 999 119 725...3
 
2013-10-08 02:37:56 PM

Cyclometh: An overdose of insulin can make people behave very illogically, but combative? Anyone in the throes of a sugar crash that bad is going to be barely capable of standing.

My money is on the cops just being trigger happy; we are talking about a poor black family in Georgia here.


Tell that to my father. If his sugar crashes (or he has too much insulin) he gets very angry, defiant and combative. Try to get a juice in him so his sugar gets back up and he'll throw it at you, spit out, scream, curse you out. All kinds of fun.  Hell, my dad once bloodied my nose while bringing him back up from a crash. He just flailed his arms and pow, crimson mask from the nose down.

Not everyone does the same things when their sugar crashes but you can definitely have that sort of reaction. And yes, they do look drunk.

No excuse for the cop, they should be able to figure things out.
 
2013-10-08 02:38:14 PM

Honest Bender: Diabetic while black.  He should have known better.


Around here, that only amounts to a Tasering and beating. They're badass in Georgia.
 
2013-10-08 02:39:03 PM
"Better to be safe, we just want to go home at the end of the evening and felt threatened because this was a clear opportunity to trap and murder us.  You see we're in a war and there are insurgents all around us trying to take us out.  I see a lot of guys go out with ambulances and get shot down cause its actually a plot to kill cops!  I mean... I've never actually seen that cause it doesn't happen, but we're warriors who need to be constantly vigilant against assassination.  So we plugged his comatose ass!" *High-Fives buddy*

We train these people to be in a constant state of fear and aggression despite our streets being safer than ever.  This needs to change.
 
2013-10-08 02:40:49 PM

phojo1946: Again, we have the 95% of the cops that are giving the good, decent 5% a bad name!


but since those 95% look the other way...they can't be trusted either.  In my bro-in-law's precinct, they had a cop caught helping gang members avoid getting picked up.  He was essentially an informant for gangs.  They got rid of him, no punishment really, just lost his job..but i think he might get it back.  He was actively helping keep dangerous people on the street armed with nothing to live for that could potentially kill his co-workers free instead of in jail.  If anything they are arming themselves because they KNOW they have warrants for crimes with long jail sentences.  How he isn't in a shallow hole or out at sea is completely beyond me.
 
2013-10-08 02:40:53 PM

InitialCommentGuy: What exactly is the issue here?


If I get in trouble, I don't get to have my buddies do the investigation.
 
2013-10-08 02:41:12 PM

Honest Bender: Diabetic while black.  He should have known better.


Oooooohhhhhh...black man. Scaaaarrrryyy!
 
2013-10-08 02:43:09 PM

Headso: InitialCommentGuy: What exactly is the issue here?


GBI is no watchdog over local law enforcement


"Unlike State Police units that have the power of original jurisdiction, GBI agents cannot initiate investigations without the permission of local authorities, such as judges, sheriffs or district attorneys. That approach places a premium on cooperation and appeasement. "

As this is an old article, and the investigation has already been initiated (implying granted jurisdiction) seems like GBI is covered.  Gov. Perdue?  No reference after 1997?  We're looking at an article at least 2 years old and most likely far older as the Bill Torrance investigation is old, old news.

Did you actually read your article?
 
2013-10-08 02:46:13 PM

Sin_City_Superhero: InitialCommentGuy: What exactly is the issue here?

If I get in trouble, I don't get to have my buddies do the investigation.


A board of civilians and LEOs to take in information brought in by state investigators.  Again, how exactly are these guys somehow friends with the Waycross constabulary?
 
2013-10-08 02:46:37 PM

silvervial: They mowed down the cops and civilians left and right and the cops weapons couldn't touch them

.

Actually, 11 cops and 7 civies were injured, but only the two robbers were killed.
 
2013-10-08 02:48:58 PM

surewewang: phojo1946: Again, we have the 95% of the cops that are giving the good, decent 5% a bad name!

but since those 95% look the other way...they can't be trusted either.


Go back and re-read that post. It ain't sayin' what you think it is...
 
2013-10-08 02:52:09 PM

InitialCommentGuy: Headso: InitialCommentGuy: What exactly is the issue here?


GBI is no watchdog over local law enforcement

"Unlike State Police units that have the power of original jurisdiction, GBI agents cannot initiate investigations without the permission of local authorities, such as judges, sheriffs or district attorneys. That approach places a premium on cooperation and appeasement. "

As this is an old article, and the investigation has already been initiated (implying granted jurisdiction) seems like GBI is covered.  Gov. Perdue?  No reference after 1997?  We're looking at an article at least 2 years old and most likely far older as the Bill Torrance investigation is old, old news.

Did you actually read your article?


Yeah  maybe it is all cleaned  up and reorged  and they are now a competent watchdog over local law enforcement.
 
2013-10-08 02:53:13 PM
Wait, why did police respond to a medical emergency at all? Clearly there are missing details.

If I'm sick and dying I don't need a SWAT team.
 
2013-10-08 02:53:32 PM

InitialCommentGuy: Sin_City_Superhero: InitialCommentGuy: What exactly is the issue here?

If I get in trouble, I don't get to have my buddies do the investigation.

A board of civilians and LEOs to take in information brought in by state investigators.  Again, how exactly are these guys somehow friends with the Waycross constabulary?


A board made up of civilians that want to be cops, and the actual cops that they work in direct contact with, are charged with investigating other cops. You don't see that there might be a conflict of interest here?
 
2013-10-08 02:59:35 PM

dark brew: HotWingConspiracy: Why do cops need to respond at all to a medical call?


SuperNinjaToad: When you call 911 COPS show up period.. even if you call requesting the fire department and SPECIFICALLY says it's for the kitten stuck up in the tree.


I've worked in three different 911 systems as a paramedic and the police only get dispatched if the nature of the call is or has the potential to be violent (shooting, stabbing, assault, etc), if the patient with a medical condition is reported to be combative or there is yelling heard in the background, on an overdose, for auto accidents, and if we request them for some other reason.  On the majority of the medical calls, the police do not get dispatched.

For this particular incident, the dispatcher may have heard yelling, the caller may have indicated the pt was combative, or it may have been dispatched as an overdose where police automatically get dispatched.  I certainly don't believe that the police showed up and shot the guy for no reason.  Whether they could have used other means to subdue him is certainly in question though.



Either you are dishonest or your city is different than mine...

True story...about 2 months ago  my 82 yr old neighbor fell down and couldn't get up . however she was able to call 911 saying she fell and requested help. No panic, no nothing.
Guess what? 3 cop cars showed up and THEN the FD showed up.

so cops DO show up even on NON VIOLENT events but because they are there things can potentially become violent even if it wasn't initially.
 
2013-10-08 03:02:06 PM

offmymeds: Oooooohhhhhh...black man. Scaaaarrrryyy!


my sister tells a story of when she was five and wanted to go to the neighbor's yard/tree to get some plums.  She said that our uncle told her to be careful because there was a coloured man over there.  She said she climbed into the tree and was looking around, afraid of the coloured man.  A black man stopped to talk to her and she told him he needed to be careful because there was a coloured man out somewhere.  He smiled and asked her "What color is he?"  She said she wasn't sure, but she thought maybe purple.  Ah the innocence...
 
2013-10-08 03:03:19 PM

SuperNinjaToad: True story...about 2 months ago my 82 yr old neighbor fell down and couldn't get up . however she was able to call 911 saying she fell and requested help. No panic, no nothing.
Guess what? 3 cop cars showed up and THEN the FD showed up.


Cops like shooting old ladies, too.
 
2013-10-08 03:05:11 PM

Another Government Employee: I've dealt with a few folks in hypoglycemic events. They can be seriously scary.


I am hypoglycemic.  I have to keep tabs on my sugar, because I become one serious asshole if my sugar gets low.  Had a serious freakout once at Six Flags because I waited too long to eat, was in line at a food stand and the poor girl trying to ring up our food purchases was having problems with her register.  I was loud, aggressive, profane, and generally showing my ass.  Hell, had an episode at a WalMart self checkout line once and almost ripped the damn thing off the wall because it would not register that I had placed an item in the bagging area.

I'm much better these days at maintaining my levels.
 
2013-10-08 03:07:35 PM
Hire a bunch of borderline retarded roid-freaks and Army reject sociopaths at bargain prices and give them state of the art weaponry and zero accountability. Tada.

But I'm sure we didn't hear the whole story. He approached them aggressively with glucose test strips and insulin syringes in close proximity.
 
2013-10-08 03:09:54 PM
gshepnyc: If cops don't start facing very, very serious consequences for these things, not only will they not stop, they will get worse.

When the police take a life, we need to start bringing them trial the same as we would with a civilian under the same circumstances. Let a jury decide if it was justified, not an internal review board. If the jury says it wasn't justified, let the cop go to prison.


Clearly, they can no longer be trusted to exercise good judgment on their own.


And here's the issue - you presume the police CAN exercise good judgement on their own.
 
2013-10-08 03:11:06 PM

Sin_City_Superhero: surewewang: phojo1946: Again, we have the 95% of the cops that are giving the good, decent 5% a bad name!

but since those 95% look the other way...they can't be trusted either.

Go back and re-read that post. It ain't sayin' what you think it is...


HA! I read it as a bit snarky but I guess i really had the idea instead of the literal in my head and wanted to tell the story.  =/
 
2013-10-08 03:23:04 PM

Girl Pants: Wait, why did police respond to a medical emergency at all? Clearly there are missing details.

If I'm sick and dying I don't need a SWAT team.


SWAT nope, but there are legitimate reasons why the police would show up with EMS.

Let me get to a laptop after I get out of ASLS and Ill kind of explain, if one of the fine providers in this thread don't do that before me.
 
2013-10-08 03:26:37 PM

hardinparamedic: Girl Pants: Wait, why did police respond to a medical emergency at all? Clearly there are missing details.

If I'm sick and dying I don't need a SWAT team.

SWAT nope, but there are legitimate reasons why the police would show up with EMS.

Let me get to a laptop after I get out of ASLS and Ill kind of explain, if one of the fine providers in this thread don't do that before me.


Then explain why there are legitimate reasons for these police to be militarized and trigger happy all while  not being able to recognize someone in medical distress at these calls.
 
2013-10-08 03:27:47 PM

frepnog: Another Government Employee: I've dealt with a few folks in hypoglycemic events. They can be seriously scary.

I am hypoglycemic.  I have to keep tabs on my sugar, because I become one serious asshole if my sugar gets low.  Had a serious freakout once at Six Flags because I waited too long to eat, was in line at a food stand and the poor girl trying to ring up our food purchases was having problems with her register.  I was loud, aggressive, profane, and generally showing my ass.  Hell, had an episode at a WalMart self checkout line once and almost ripped the damn thing off the wall because it would not register that I had placed an item in the bagging area.

I'm much better these days at maintaining my levels.


I'm sorry you've got that cross to bear. It's no fun. One time, dad had a crash at Lowes and didn't realize it, walked out with 100$ in merchandise. Cops and everything (thankfully, white, so no guns). Cops actually came down to get me from my work place (had no car) to calm him down. And the nice people at Lowes didn't press charges.
 
2013-10-08 03:27:52 PM
Sin_City_Superhero:

A board made up of civilians that want to be cops, and the actual cops that they work in direct contact with, are charged with investigating other cops. You don't see that there might be a conflict of interest here?

Except that isn't at all the case in civilian review boards.  Successful CRBs are either appointed by City Councils (See: Berkeley Police Review Division), elected members of the city council itself (See: Portland Internal Investigations Auditing Committe), employees of Inspectors General chosen specifically for the task (See: LAPD Citizen's Commission), or a prosecutor/auditor from the local Prosecutor's office (See: San Jose IA/PSCU).  There are some communities that impanel grand juries for review that are exclusively chosen from the civilian population without any government influence beyond the initial panel selection.

I don't like cops, but fark learn about the things you're saying before randomly spouting off.
 
2013-10-08 03:32:16 PM

Headso: Then explain why there are legitimate reasons for these police to be militarized and trigger happy all while  not being able to recognize someone in medical distress at these calls.


Uh, I haven't even read the article, or searched for other news articles or reports on the matter.

I'm not going to do anything until I can do that. Hard to do on an iPhone.

Look. I get you want to splooge all over the thread, but all I said was that many cities send police automatically on all calls for EMS, or if there is reason to suspect the patient might be a threat to the crews

Hands above the keyboard, Mister.
 
2013-10-08 03:47:32 PM

Khellendros: Cops may not always make the best decisions in a crisis, but they didn't just walk into an unknown situation, pull guns and kill him without threat, provocation, identification, or warning.


yafh.com
 
2013-10-08 03:49:36 PM

silvervial: generallyso: They're lucky he was the only person hit. Usually when the police start shooting they hose down the entire block with lead.

[i.imgur.com image 500x282]
After the incident, police ordered residents to stay indoors, but from his window Goo could see dozens of yellow markers on the ground used to mark the stray bullets. While out surveying the damage, he counted five bullets in his entryway, a bullet hole in his garage door, two bullets hits his silver Lexus and another bullet grazed the hood of his Oldsmobile.

"We are lucky because our cars are drivable, unlike our neighbors'," he said. ...

"That's why we live here because it is safe," said the cardiologist technician. "It's ironic that the only violence we experienced here is from LAPD."


From a distance of less than 10 feet , the officers, Craig Matthews and Robert Sinishtaj, answered in unison; one shot nine times and the other seven.
...
But the officers also struck some, if not all, of the nine bystanders who were wounded.


[i.imgur.com image 850x473]

You know, I think I can pinpoint when "That" became "This". Remember back in the early 90's there was a bank robbery in So Cal where the perpetrators were dressed in Kevlar head to toe and carried some major weaponry? They mowed down the cops and civilians left and right and the cops weapons couldn't touch them. Finally a SWAT team was assembled and arrived at the scene and they had the firepower to take the two men down. The cops had felt completely vulnerable (they were) and totally inadequate (they were) to handle the situation and I think that scared every police department in the country. It started building from there. Yes, there were SWAT teams in existence prior to the incident, hell there was even a TV show about SWAT in the 70's, but they were rarely used up until then - they weren't the *routine* response unit. From that point on, they started getting called out on more and more and more incidences, and it's ramped up from there. That's ...


The Hollywood shoot out. At the time there was a gun store nearby, so the cops went to the gun store to get a AR-15's to take out the remaining shooter (the first one got injured and then sucked on the business end of his rifle). The 2 robbers were killed. 11 police officers and 8 civilians were injured.
 
2013-10-08 03:52:05 PM

saintstryfe: frepnog: Another Government Employee: I've dealt with a few folks in hypoglycemic events. They can be seriously scary.

I am hypoglycemic.  I have to keep tabs on my sugar, because I become one serious asshole if my sugar gets low.  Had a serious freakout once at Six Flags because I waited too long to eat, was in line at a food stand and the poor girl trying to ring up our food purchases was having problems with her register.  I was loud, aggressive, profane, and generally showing my ass.  Hell, had an episode at a WalMart self checkout line once and almost ripped the damn thing off the wall because it would not register that I had placed an item in the bagging area.

I'm much better these days at maintaining my levels.

I'm sorry you've got that cross to bear. It's no fun. One time, dad had a crash at Lowes and didn't realize it, walked out with 100$ in merchandise. Cops and everything (thankfully, white, so no guns). Cops actually came down to get me from my work place (had no car) to calm him down. And the nice people at Lowes didn't press charges.


it sucks because it is like I become a completely different person, I mean a person likely to actually attack someone that pissed me off, and it doesn't even have to be anything real, I'm talking Early Cuyler "looked at me crossways" kind of stuff.  I really have to watch it, if I notice that I am getting snappy with people it's time to take a break and eat.
 
2013-10-08 03:52:29 PM
Cops: reported suicidal en route, guy had a knife, came at cops aggressively

Fiancee:  guy took too much diabeetus medicine, guy had no knife, guy said nothing, cops said nothing, cops came in and shot him

Occam sides with the cops
 
2013-10-08 04:02:23 PM

Headso: Then explain why there are legitimate reasons for these police to be militarized and trigger happy all while  not being able to recognize someone in medical distress at these calls.


isn't that kind of like asking someone to explain why there are so many f*cktards on Fark who ask idiotic questions?

/your redundancy:  I see it...
 
2013-10-08 04:12:29 PM

Daffydil: Headso: Then explain why there are legitimate reasons for these police to be militarized and trigger happy all while  not being able to recognize someone in medical distress at these calls.

isn't that kind of like asking someone to explain why there are so many f*cktards on Fark who ask idiotic questions?

/your redundancy:  I see it...


heh! looks like you are asking an idiotic question, f*cktard.
 
2013-10-08 04:13:36 PM
Actually, this story sounds a lot like one that happened locally a couple of years ago:   http://www.vpr.net/news_detail/95363/beating-victim-sues-town-hartfor d /
 
2013-10-08 04:15:22 PM

Headso: Daffydil: Headso: Then explain why there are legitimate reasons for these police to be militarized and trigger happy all while  not being able to recognize someone in medical distress at these calls.

isn't that kind of like asking someone to explain why there are so many f*cktards on Fark who ask idiotic questions?

/your redundancy:  I see it...

heh! looks like you are asking an idiotic question, f*cktard.


so you can't understand the sentence?  This does not surprise me...
 
2013-10-08 04:20:05 PM

oldfarthenry: Is this the GOP's alternative to Obamacare?


How is "business as usual" an alternative?
 
2013-10-08 04:20:05 PM
Isn't this one of those situations where the cops should, you know, use their tasers? Seems like the kind of situation the damned things were designed for.
 
2013-10-08 04:20:19 PM

Daffydil: Headso: Daffydil: Headso: Then explain why there are legitimate reasons for these police to be militarized and trigger happy all while  not being able to recognize someone in medical distress at these calls.

isn't that kind of like asking someone to explain why there are so many f*cktards on Fark who ask idiotic questions?

/your redundancy:  I see it...

heh! looks like you are asking an idiotic question, f*cktard.

so you can't understand the sentence?  This does not surprise me...


your sentence was in the form of a question, it was idiotic, you seem like a f*cktard... I dunno, I think I got the gist of it.
 
2013-10-08 04:21:00 PM

mike_d85: borg: exick: I really would like to hear the entirety of this story because none of this makes any sense whatsoever.

In short: cops are stupid. Dumb farking pig sees someone they think is drunk or on drugs and uncooperative but is in insulin shock  Pig feels threatened and shoots victim dead.

^^This.  A cop walked into a situation with nothing other than "medical emergency" or possibly "overdose" for info, a guy moved toward the door and appeared aggressive and they thought he'd OD'd on bathsalts and was going full zombie.

gretzkyscores: Cannot be repeated enough: Never, EVER call the cops, or even talk to them. For ANYTHING. EVER.


Eh... pretty much this.  If you're actually IN a situation, don't call.  If you're reporting something that ALREADY HAPPENED, call them.  Police must walk into a totally begnign situation in order to be in anything remotely resembling control of themselves.


It's attitudes towards law enforcement like this ^^^

that make people say stuff like this:

"We called 911 for my son cause he wasn't feeling good so instead of 911 coming, the police came and they rushed in and my son came out of the kitchen, him and my daughter-in-law," said Roberson. "Police rushed in and my son went to the living room door. The police came in, pulled his gun out, my son put his hands up and they shot him, they shot him down."
 
2013-10-08 04:21:02 PM
So, he doesn't have diabetes anymore... right?
 
2013-10-08 04:30:18 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Why do cops need to respond at all to a medical call?

Don't believe the hype, being a cop is one of the easiest jobs on the planet. They generally have nothing to do. Boredom would actually explain a lot of their actions.


That leads to the question about what the cops were expecting to see when they got there. It must not have been called in as a traditional medical. Perhaps the woman told the 911 operator that her husband was being violent, or threatening her or the other people in the house. Maybe he was threatening to kill himself. It's also possible that maybe the caller didn't *say* anything about the victim's mental or emotional state, but that there was enough of a disturbance happening in the background during the call that the dispatcher decided to send PD as a precaution. As others have said, a diabetic event can lead to some pretty extreme behavior, and there has to be a reason why the cops made the choice they did.
 
2013-10-08 04:31:47 PM
ITT: a bunch of people who take media sensationalism way too seriously. Anyone using the word "pig" to describe cops in general either has a lengthy criminal record or lacks the basic common sense to understand they're being brainwashed.

Double-down points for anyone who thinks police were "Officer Friendly" in the past.
 
2013-10-08 04:34:55 PM

TrixieDelite: HotWingConspiracy: Why do cops need to respond at all to a medical call?

Don't believe the hype, being a cop is one of the easiest jobs on the planet. They generally have nothing to do. Boredom would actually explain a lot of their actions.

That leads to the question about what the cops were expecting to see when they got there. It must not have been called in as a traditional medical. Perhaps the woman told the 911 operator that her husband was being violent, or threatening her or the other people in the house. Maybe he was threatening to kill himself. It's also possible that maybe the caller didn't *say* anything about the victim's mental or emotional state, but that there was enough of a disturbance happening in the background during the call that the dispatcher decided to send PD as a precaution. As others have said, a diabetic event can lead to some pretty extreme behavior, and there has to be a reason why the cops made the choice they did.


FTA: "Police also say they were informed Roberson had attempted to commit suicide and was being combative while on their way to his residence."

So you have it correct.

But yeah, those kinds of facts get in the way of the outrage by people who "hate" the cops but will call them the instant they're in need of help.

I'm also impressed by the knowledge of people who aren't cops but apparently experts on the job.
 
2013-10-08 04:37:09 PM

HangMan: Obligatory...

[imageshack.com image 400x400]


This is the first time I've seen that and I feel a little bad for how hard it made me laugh.
 
2013-10-08 04:38:50 PM

Sin_City_Superhero: SuperNinjaToad: True story...about 2 months ago my 82 yr old neighbor fell down and couldn't get up . however she was able to call 911 saying she fell and requested help. No panic, no nothing.
Guess what? 3 cop cars showed up and THEN the FD showed up.

Cops like shooting old ladies, too.


Only the terrible shots.  Moving targets provide more sport.
 
2013-10-08 04:39:11 PM

oldfarthenry: Is this the GOP's alternative to Obamacare?


No this is just another story of the Obamacare death panels!
 
2013-10-08 04:41:07 PM

Dragonflew: Why did they shoot him? Was he barking?


i shouldn't laugh, but i did.
 
2013-10-08 04:43:52 PM

saintstryfe: frepnog: Another Government Employee: I've dealt with a few folks in hypoglycemic events. They can be seriously scary.

I am hypoglycemic.  I have to keep tabs on my sugar, because I become one serious asshole if my sugar gets low.  Had a serious freakout once at Six Flags because I waited too long to eat, was in line at a food stand and the poor girl trying to ring up our food purchases was having problems with her register.  I was loud, aggressive, profane, and generally showing my ass.  Hell, had an episode at a WalMart self checkout line once and almost ripped the damn thing off the wall because it would not register that I had placed an item in the bagging area.

I'm much better these days at maintaining my levels.

I'm sorry you've got that cross to bear. It's no fun. One time, dad had a crash at Lowes and didn't realize it, walked out with 100$ in merchandise. Cops and everything (thankfully, white, so no guns). Cops actually came down to get me from my work place (had no car) to calm him down. And the nice people at Lowes didn't press charges.


http://www.southparkstudios.com/full-episodes/s11e08-le-petit-touret te
 
2013-10-08 04:52:10 PM

TrixieDelite: It's attitudes towards law enforcement like this ^^^

that make people say stuff like this:

"We called 911 for my son cause he wasn't feeling good so instead of 911 coming, the police came and they rushed in and my son came out of the kitchen, him and my daughter-in-law," said Roberson. "Police rushed in and my son went to the living room door. The police came in, pulled his gun out, my son put his hands up and they shot him, they shot him down."


I'm glad our children were here to hear that today.  Not only was that authentic mountain jibberish, but Johnson Howard makes an excellent point.
 
2013-10-08 04:53:38 PM
Black man.
State of JAWJUH.
Cops.
Who is surprised at this outcome?
 
2013-10-08 04:59:17 PM
This story really makes me sad, even if the police were in the right (which I don't yet believe). Time will tell, as many have commented, but you do not kill a man unless it is absolutely necessary to protect your own life or the lives of those around you. I'm biting my tongue due to the fact that we don't know the facts.. still, it seems, like another said in the posts above me, that they could have tazed / tased him and taken him to the hospital without using fatal force. The mere fact that the cops are on PAID LEAVE is soooo frustrating, whether or not he was indeed harnessing weapons. If the case ends with the police innocent, give them back-pay and let them be on their way and back on duty; if they were in the wrong - they deserve no pay, to be fired, and (if I had it my way) to go to federal pound me in the *** prison.  I truly hope that the police were acting appropriate... This just seems like guilty until proven innocent while a man lost his life, and it seems like he had a caring and concerned family for his health and mental stability. What's worse about this is that I do not know what we can do for his family or the police, whichever were in the right. Maybe I'm in a mood today, but this story just lit a fire under me and gave me the shivers.
 
2013-10-08 05:00:50 PM

ArcadianRefugee: Isn't this one of those situations where the cops should, you know, use their tasers? Seems like the kind of situation the damned things were designed for.


That's what we were told.   Some of us even believed that line.
 
2013-10-08 05:03:28 PM
Well, thanks to the brave officers, he doesn't have diabetes anymore.
 
2013-10-08 05:12:02 PM
BREAKING NEWS: Police In Georgia Find Cure For Diabetus!
 
2013-10-08 05:13:24 PM

Cyclometh: Khellendros: Cops may not always make the best decisions in a crisis, but they didn't just walk into an unknown situation, pull guns and kill him without threat, provocation, identification, or warning.

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Quite serious.  The characterization of cops as these automatons that gun people down indiscriminately is total BS.  Anyone claiming they showed up on the scene, opened the door, walked in, said nothing, drew their weapons and shot this guy down in silence when he didn't pull a weapon, say anything, act threatening, or come after them is crap.

Now, he may have made a threatening move, pulled a weapon, lunged at them, whatever.  They would have pulled their weapons, yelled a warning, and if he persisted, they'd have opened fire.  Something like that.  And it may have even been completely wrong for them to do so, and they're guilty of murder for being too jumpy and fearful.  I'm ok with that claim.

But to say it happened like her quote characterized it is beyond belief, even if you're someone who hates cops and think they're all corrupt.  That they just walked him, saw him sitting there, pulled their weapons and killed him.  BS.
 
2013-10-08 05:21:44 PM
it;s their job to shoot people
 
2013-10-08 05:24:41 PM

SpectroBoy: jjorsett: Another example of why cops should be required to wear video recording devices. Both to protect themselves against false accusations and to expose the ones that abuse their powers.

THIS

I find it offensive that the police union blocks this. Cameras (mostly) tell the truth. If cops are honest it would protect them from BS claims (as this one appears to be).



So you'd be cool w/ every facet of your job being recorded & at any moment's notice,  you can be reviewed by a panel of people who aren't trained in your profession, have no idea what it's like to be in your profession & their sole purpose is to use calm, 20/20 hindsight in the safety of a tv monitor to judge how you reacted in the heat of an intense moment where you potentially feared for your own life as well as that of your team's?

sounds awesome, I can't imagine why anybody my object to that.
 
2013-10-08 05:30:00 PM

gretzkyscores: Cannot be repeated enough: Never, EVER call the cops, or even talk to them. For ANYTHING. EVER.

The halcyon days of Officer Friendly caring about John Q Public and remembering his oath to "protect and defend" are looooong gone. The police have almost entirely succumbed to the militaristic "enemy combatant" mindset and you are now a domestic enemy to be restrained and subdued at all costs, including your life, for any minor transgression or failure to be docile fast enough.

The fact that the few remaining good ones cover and excuse the bad ones is just insult on top of injury.


She called for an ambulance and the cops showed up.
I agree with you. My kids are being taught to avoid the police at all costs.
 
2013-10-08 05:30:20 PM
He doesn't need medical attention anymore.
Problem solved.
 
2013-10-08 05:39:25 PM

dstrick44: gretzkyscores: Cannot be repeated enough: Never, EVER call the cops, or even talk to them. For ANYTHING. EVER.

The halcyon days of Officer Friendly caring about John Q Public and remembering his oath to "protect and defend" are looooong gone. The police have almost entirely succumbed to the militaristic "enemy combatant" mindset and you are now a domestic enemy to be restrained and subdued at all costs, including your life, for any minor transgression or failure to be docile fast enough.

The fact that the few remaining good ones cover and excuse the bad ones is just insult on top of injury.

She called for an ambulance and the cops showed up.
I agree with you. My kids are being taught to avoid the police at all costs.


You apparently didn't bother reading and/or comprehending the entire article, either. But hey, next time you've got someone having a medical issue threatening suicide and/or violence, be sure to avoid calling for emergency services. When the paramedics inevitably show up, though, don't get all butthurt when they tell you to fark off; Even they're not dumb enough to wrestle with a 300lb dude having a medical issue.
 
2013-10-08 06:02:50 PM

oldfarthenry: Is this the GOP's alternative to Obamacare?


Nope, just the obamacare death panel swat team in action.
 
2013-10-08 06:06:34 PM

borg: exick: I really would like to hear the entirety of this story because none of this makes any sense whatsoever.

In short: cops are stupid. Dumb farking pig sees someone they think is drunk or on drugs and uncooperative but is in insulin shock  Pig feels threatened and shoots victim dead.


Since you were there, you probably should have done something to stop the police
 
2013-10-08 06:11:22 PM

Ed's Wood: So you'd be cool w/ every facet of your job being recorded & at any moment's notice,  you can be reviewed by a panel of people who aren't trained in your profession, have no idea what it's like to be in your profession & their sole purpose is to use calm, 20/20 hindsight in the safety of a tv monitor to judge how you reacted in the heat of an intense moment where you potentially feared for your own life as well as that of your team's?


The guy I do most of my consulting for can do all of that by checking IT records, listening to my calls if he wants, checking my work logs etc.  If he wants to stand over my desk (or hire someone to stand over my desk) and watch me work then that's his choice to do so, since he pays the bills.

If you work for the public?  Yeah, cops shouldn't have a problem with the public looking over their shoulder to make sure they're not corrupt, violent, abusive, failing the public trust etc.  Given that so very many cops DO seem to be violent, abusive and happy to violate the public's trust (and that for every bad cop there must be at least five to ten other cops who know their co-worker is bad but who say nothing due to the blue wall of silence) it doesn't seem at all unreasonable to want some close scrutiny on their actions.


/this post may be recorded for quality assurance
 
2013-10-08 06:18:24 PM

Ed's Wood: So you'd be cool w/ every facet of your job being recorded & at any moment's notice, you can be reviewed by a panel of people who aren't trained in your profession, have no idea what it's like to be in your profession & their sole purpose is to use calm, 20/20 hindsight in the safety of a tv monitor to judge how you reacted in the heat of an intense moment where you potentially feared for your own life as well as that of your team's?


If you're doing nothing wrong, the camera will be show that. If you are a cop that objects to being recorded (video and audio) I have to question why. What are you doing, or plan to do that you don't want the public to know about, and why? Also, if you get paid with public funds, there should be MORE transparancy than the private sector...not less. If you can't handle the duties of the job, or the stress of the job, perhaps law enforcememnt isn't for you.*
*Of course I'm not referring to you personally. You know what I'm sayin'...
 
2013-10-08 06:29:25 PM

InitialCommentGuy: Sin_City_Superhero: The Georgia Bureau of Investigation is reviewing the shooting and the officers involved are on paid leave.

Good news, folks...the police are investigating the police officers that are responsible for this. If the police determine that the police officers were out of line, then the police are sure to discipline the police officers responsible.

Upon review the GBI serves as a state version of Internal Affairs for bias crimes, force claims, and dirty cop investigations for small departments such as Waycross.  They seem to use civilians as part of the panel per normal IAD procedures in these cases (at least in my state).

What exactly is the issue here?


The issue is that the cops who did this are on vacation while the cops find reasons to call the shooting justified.
Its what they do.
 
2013-10-08 06:37:56 PM

Bill_Wick's_Friend: Ed's Wood: So you'd be cool w/ every facet of your job being recorded & at any moment's notice,  you can be reviewed by a panel of people who aren't trained in your profession, have no idea what it's like to be in your profession & their sole purpose is to use calm, 20/20 hindsight in the safety of a tv monitor to judge how you reacted in the heat of an intense moment where you potentially feared for your own life as well as that of your team's?

The guy I do most of my consulting for can do all of that by checking IT records, listening to my calls if he wants, checking my work logs etc.  If he wants to stand over my desk (or hire someone to stand over my desk) and watch me work then that's his choice to do so, since he pays the bills.

If you work for the public?  Yeah, cops shouldn't have a problem with the public looking over their shoulder to make sure they're not corrupt, violent, abusive, failing the public trust etc.  Given that so very many cops DO seem to be violent, abusive and happy to violate the public's trust (and that for every bad cop there must be at least five to ten other cops who know their co-worker is bad but who say nothing due to the blue wall of silence) it doesn't seem at all unreasonable to want some close scrutiny on their actions.


/this post may be recorded for quality assurance


Because we  know there's no better source of objectivity than John Q. Public who spends all day and evening watching C.O.P.S. and major media for determining right and wrong with regards to split-second decisions involving life and death.

I mean, it's not like this thread is  full of mouth-breathing imbeciles who label anyone and everyone with a badge as a "pig" who wouldn't hesitate to ignore all reasoning and common sense just to "stick it to the man."

Good call, champ. People can't even read a farking news article and articulate  the stated facts correctly, and you think they should be deciding matters like police action. Guffaw.
 
2013-10-08 06:43:21 PM

oldfarthenry: Is this the GOP's alternative to Obamacare?


This just in: The GOP's alternative to Obamacare is ...

(wait for it) ,,,


Obamacare!
 
2013-10-08 06:43:57 PM

CarnySaur: Cyclometh: An overdose of insulin can make people behave very illogically, but combative? Anyone in the throes of a sugar crash that bad is going to be barely capable of standing.

My money is on the cops just being trigger happy; we are talking about a poor black family in Georgia here.

For what it's worth, if can tell if I've taken too much insulin because I start getting angry for no apparent reason (or just overreact to things).  However, I have another friend who just starts acting loopy.


I have a colleague at work who turns into a raging asshole if he doesn't eat when he's supposed to.  On the flipside, if he goes out to lunch and eats something that spike his blood sugar, he gets all twitchy and wobbly.

He's one of the few diabetics I know who regularly eats pizza.  He thinks he can control his sugar if he only has two slices, but he always ends up eating six.
 
2013-10-08 06:46:04 PM

Perpetuous Procrastination: Because we  know there's no better source of objectivity than John Q. Public who spends all day and evening watching C.O.P.S. and major media for determining right and wrong with regards to split-second decisions involving life and death.


Only the police understand the police and everyone else is a moron who cannot possibly understand the mysterious socratic wisdom and omnipotence of the brave men in blue.  Any kind of oversight of the police by anyone except the police themselves is unfair and biased.

Gotcha.

(I'm assuming you're posting one-handed while jacking off a cop with your other hand. Nice typing skills! I'm impressed.)
 
2013-10-08 06:48:34 PM

Perpetuous Procrastination: dstrick44: gretzkyscores: Cannot be repeated enough: Never, EVER call the cops, or even talk to them. For ANYTHING. EVER.

The halcyon days of Officer Friendly caring about John Q Public and remembering his oath to "protect and defend" are looooong gone. The police have almost entirely succumbed to the militaristic "enemy combatant" mindset and you are now a domestic enemy to be restrained and subdued at all costs, including your life, for any minor transgression or failure to be docile fast enough.

The fact that the few remaining good ones cover and excuse the bad ones is just insult on top of injury.

She called for an ambulance and the cops showed up.
I agree with you. My kids are being taught to avoid the police at all costs.

You apparently didn't bother reading and/or comprehending the entire article, either. But hey, next time you've got someone having a medical issue threatening suicide and/or violence, be sure to avoid calling for emergency services. When the paramedics inevitably show up, though, don't get all butthurt when they tell you to fark off; Even they're not dumb enough to wrestle with a 300lb dude having a medical issue.


I rtfa, douche. And I've had my share of officer friendly screwing up my week because he was bored.
I've managed to raise 5 boys without having to call an ambulance, and I have witnessed one incident almost identical to the one in the article. Only with billy clubs instead of guns.
Ambulance called, cops come, arrest an old, sick man. Next day, his head is the size of a basketball and his brain is swelled against his skull and no one knows who brought him in.
Any time the cops come everyone's day just got a lot worse. They should be avoided at all costs.
 
2013-10-08 06:54:47 PM
And I happen to personally know a few paramedics and they're decent, normal guys who tend to get a little shell-shocked from the carnage on the roads.
They're the ones I respect. The pay sucks and you get ptsd from pulling dead kids out of cars.
I wouldn't waste their time unless you're talking severed limbs or something.
 
2013-10-08 07:42:55 PM

dstrick44: Perpetuous Procrastination: dstrick44: gretzkyscores: Cannot be repeated enough: Never, EVER call the cops, or even talk to them. For ANYTHING. EVER.

The halcyon days of Officer Friendly caring about John Q Public and remembering his oath to "protect and defend" are looooong gone. The police have almost entirely succumbed to the militaristic "enemy combatant" mindset and you are now a domestic enemy to be restrained and subdued at all costs, including your life, for any minor transgression or failure to be docile fast enough.

The fact that the few remaining good ones cover and excuse the bad ones is just insult on top of injury.

She called for an ambulance and the cops showed up.
I agree with you. My kids are being taught to avoid the police at all costs.

You apparently didn't bother reading and/or comprehending the entire article, either. But hey, next time you've got someone having a medical issue threatening suicide and/or violence, be sure to avoid calling for emergency services. When the paramedics inevitably show up, though, don't get all butthurt when they tell you to fark off; Even they're not dumb enough to wrestle with a 300lb dude having a medical issue.

I rtfa, douche. And I've had my share of officer friendly screwing up my week because he was bored.
I've managed to raise 5 boys without having to call an ambulance, and I have witnessed one incident almost identical to the one in the article. Only with billy clubs instead of guns.
Ambulance called, cops come, arrest an old, sick man. Next day, his head is the size of a basketball and his brain is swelled against his skull and no one knows who brought him in.
Any time the cops come everyone's day just got a lot worse. They should be avoided at all costs.


You read it and failed to comprehend it. You implied all that was necessary was an "ambulance" when, given the printed facts, that was clearly not the case. Add on top of that the fact that A.) we don't have all of the details and B.) people regularly engage in hyperbole after doing stupid shiat involving police and you've got a recipe for outrage based on absolutely nothing.

Shockingly, you and a bunch of others have ignored the fact that you weren't there, this lady's story sounds ridiculously unlikely given the noted statement(s) from all parties involved, and the fact that your single experience is somehow indicative of every single police interaction  ever, no joke.

Yeah, you're someone I want making social decisions. No knee-jerking from you, no!

The majority of the time someone whines about police "messing their day up" they conveniently gloss over the fact that they were acting like a self-important douchenozzle who believes themselves to be above all authority and the law. They want respect from police but refuse to give any themselves. You know, because they "pay the cops wage" and all that other fallacious bullshiat.

Save your sob story for the sensationalist media.
 
2013-10-08 09:04:58 PM
Any sources other than "Reason" "magazine"?
 
2013-10-08 10:51:28 PM
Anyone on the cops side needs to get diabetes.

If you're having diabetic issues, you're not standing, let alone wielding anything. You might be on your hands and knees clutching at the ground in extreme pain, but very likely, you're on the ground, crying like a little biatch and clutching yourself.

/had a diabetic boyfriend
//6'4" and played football. This brought him to his knees every time.
 
2013-10-08 11:11:55 PM
Are we allowed to start shooting back yet?
 
2013-10-08 11:30:05 PM
more water to me and the rest of the world.

/to soon ?
 
2013-10-08 11:43:28 PM

khyberkitsune: Anyone on the cops side needs to get diabetes.

If you're having diabetic issues, you're not standing, let alone wielding anything. You might be on your hands and knees clutching at the ground in extreme pain, but very likely, you're on the ground, crying like a little biatch and clutching yourself.

/had a diabetic boyfriend
//6'4" and played football. This brought him to his knees every time.


That's not how diabeetus works.  If you have low blood sugar, there are stages you'll hit on the way down.  If you have high blood sugar, there are stages you hit on the way up.

Each stage is different for each person.  Normally low blood sugar presents as irritability at first, then incoherence, and finally unconsciousness.  High blood sugar can run the gamut from shaking to seizures.

Unless you're having a heart attack or liver failure because of it, blood sugar levels shouldn't double you over in pain.
 
2013-10-09 02:03:49 AM

the_rev: "He didn't have nothing in his hands at any time or period at all before they came, any time while they were here, anything. They just came in and shot him. He didn't say nothing, the police didn't say nothing, anything..."

I find this verrrrry dubious.


Khellendros: Diabetic issues can make people seem drunk, and sometime belligerent.  Never seen it go violent and threatening, though.

"He didn't have nothing in his hands at any time or period at all before they came, any time while they were here, anything. They just came in and shot him. He didn't say nothing, the police didn't say nothing, anything, it was like a silent movie. You couldn't hear anything, all you could hear were the gun shots go off and I seen them going into his body and he just fell down," cried Alcia Herron, Roberson's fiance."

Yeah, I don't buy that at all.  Cops may not always make the best decisions in a crisis, but they didn't just walk into an unknown situation, pull guns and kill him without threat, provocation, identification, or warning.


If there is one thing I know about poor black people it is that they are very very quiet.
 
2013-10-09 02:09:42 AM
I read a version of this story with no mention of race at all.  Left me puzzled, why would they shoot the guy.  Read it again with race.  Ah, I get it now.  Guy acting strangely while sick and had the gall to be black at the same time.  If he was smart he would have chosen to be a 20 year old white girl at the VMAs
 
2013-10-09 05:32:04 AM
Serious question: Why did the police come when you called an ambulance?

If I call for an ambulance in my country, then only an ambulance comes unless I also call for the police for example if there was a traffic accident.
 
2013-10-09 06:53:01 AM

Ed's Wood: So you'd be cool w/ every facet of your job being recorded & at any moment's notice,  you can be reviewed by a panel of people who aren't trained in your profession, have no idea what it's like to be in your profession & their sole purpose is to use calm, 20/20 hindsight in the safety of a tv monitor to judge how you reacted in the heat of an intense moment where you potentially feared for your own life as well as that of your team's?


Well, I suppose they could use qualified people to review tapes.

But please, proceed with your tirade.
 
2013-10-09 06:55:37 AM

Perpetuous Procrastination: Because we  know there's no better source of objectivity than John Q. Public who spends all day and evening watching C.O.P.S. and major media for determining right and wrong with regards to split-second decisions involving life and death.

I mean, it's not like this thread is  full of mouth-breathing imbeciles who label anyone and everyone with a badge as a "pig" who wouldn't hesitate to ignore all reasoning and common sense just to "stick it to the man."

Good call, champ. People can't even read a farking news article and articulate  the stated facts correctly, and you think they should be deciding matters like police action. Guffaw.



Nice strawman. However, I suppose the tapes could be viewed by a qualified review board and not simply thrown on youtube for public comment as you seem to be imagining.
 
2013-10-09 10:11:33 AM

jjorsett: Your Black Muslim Credit Union: Well clearly he shouldn't have been a large black man. Hasn't there been other cases of people with the beetus getting shot/tazed because they were acting strange.

I know there have been cases where people were tazed because they "didn't follow orders". Of course, they were in a diabetic coma at the time, but it was true they didn't follow orders.


There was 1 good cop story I remember seeing. The cop was chasing what he thought was a drunk driver as the truck was driving erratically. The truck crashed into a car in someones driveway. The cop approached and opened the drivers door. Noticing the driver had a medical bracelet, he called for an ambulance. Turned out the man was on the version of passing out due to low blood sugar. But this was back when cops were actually good at their jobs and not judgmental pricks or power crazed people.
 
2013-10-09 12:20:53 PM
Cop angry:  You tazed/beat/molested/etc.
Cop scared:  You die.


Any questions?
 
2013-10-09 02:02:50 PM

lucksi: Serious question: Why did the police come when you called an ambulance?

If I call for an ambulance in my country, then only an ambulance comes unless I also call for the police for example if there was a traffic accident.



It's more common in urban areas than it is rural areas, but typically they'll respond when the dispatcher feels there might be a threat to the crew, or someone being combative.

Certain cities send police automatically on certain types of calls because their crews have been assaulted many times.
 
2013-10-09 02:26:30 PM

hardinparamedic: lucksi: Serious question: Why did the police come when you called an ambulance?

If I call for an ambulance in my country, then only an ambulance comes unless I also call for the police for example if there was a traffic accident.


It's more common in urban areas than it is rural areas, but typically they'll respond when the dispatcher feels there might be a threat to the crew, or someone being combative.

Certain cities send police automatically on certain types of calls because their crews have been assaulted many times.


If the caller reported that the person was comabative and threatening to harm himself, then absolutely the police would have been dispatched.  Most cities have combined police\fire\ems dispatch centers.
 
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