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2013-10-08 01:09:08 PM  

paygun: ongbok: They are the ones that have engineered this shutdown with threats of primarying any Republican in the House that didn't vote for it.

Yes they did, and the word has come down from on high to make this hurt for as many people as possible, in order to inflict as much political damage on Republicans as possible.  It's not exactly a secret.


I've seen maybe one or two unattributed quotes in right-wing stories that even suggest at something like this. Where is the evidence that 'the word has come down from on high' as you suggest? Because what is not exactly a secret is that that is right-wing hyperbole.
 
2013-10-08 01:09:36 PM  

pyrotek85: Just because they're not issuing licenses doesn't mean people won't be hunting or fishing.


Around here if you hunt without a license you've committed a crime except for a few specific circumstances.  The government not issuing a license isn't one of them.
 
2013-10-08 01:10:00 PM  
If nobody is on duty, how can they stop you from hunting and fishing? They won't know you're there.
 
2013-10-08 01:10:31 PM  

theknuckler_33: paygun: ongbok: They are the ones that have engineered this shutdown with threats of primarying any Republican in the House that didn't vote for it.

Yes they did, and the word has come down from on high to make this hurt for as many people as possible, in order to inflict as much political damage on Republicans as possible.  It's not exactly a secret.

I've seen maybe one or two unattributed quotes in right-wing stories that even suggest at something like this. Where is the evidence that 'the word has come down from on high' as you suggest? Because what is not exactly a secret is that that is right-wing hyperbole.


It's only OK when they do it.  They can make up any conspiracy about Obama that they want, but don't you dare imply that the Tea Party hunt or fish.
 
2013-10-08 01:11:09 PM  

zipdog: cameroncrazy1984: Yeah, when the government wasn't involved in hunting and fishing, we totally didn't almost wipe out the Buffalo.

Funny thing is that the US government actively promoted the hunting of bison (I'm assuming that's what you meant by Buffalo) to the point that private citizens were begging the government to stop those policies. It is private ownership of bison on private land that has enabled the populations to recover.


The take away is that the government can't be trusted to do anything correctly.  Take every single acre of federal land and sell it off and use it to pay down the debt.  Imagine when these lands are in the hands of private citizens or private companies, the good that will come of it, the bison that will be saved?
 
2013-10-08 01:11:12 PM  

RedPhoenix122: Citris: zipdog: How the hell did people shoot deer and catch fish before the government was around?

With extreme anxiety, a musket, a hatchet and a good knife.  You know this comfortable thing we call civilization? Thank Government for that, otherwise we would still have to watch our backs when roaming away from our strongholds and be wary of bandits and indigenous folk who don't want us on their sacred lands.

This whole Park closure thing can be settled right now.  Want to go in? Fine, there is no ranger service or rescue op, if you get lost, mauled by wildlife or robbed by desperate homeless folk you cannot hold the US government or any organization liable.  Here sign this waiver and best of luck to ya!

I still disagree with that, because when these idiots wander the park, dropping their trash everywhere, there's no one to clean it up, no one to repair trails, etc.


It's simpler than that. There is no funding to operate the park, therefore the park cannot operate. Not just from a pragmatic standpoint, but from a legal stand point. Period. End of discussion.
 
2013-10-08 01:11:38 PM  
RedPhoenix122:

I still disagree with that, because when these idiots wander the park, dropping their trash everywhere, there's no one to clean it up, no one to repair trails, etc.

And a good reason too, mostly I made the point to illustrate the need for even scant few personnel to maintain the services that are provided.  Trust me, I am definitely the last one to want our parks to turn into heaping piles of trash because imbeciles can't clean up after themselves.
 
2013-10-08 01:11:46 PM  

BMulligan: LittleSmitty: BMulligan: FTFA:  call on Congress to end the shutdown, which has closed 329 federal wildlife refuges to hunting

This is obviously some new definition of the word "refuge" with which I was not previously acquainted. "Welcome to our sanctuary here, cute little bunny and majestic elk. Make yourself at home in this place of refuge. Comfy? Good."

BLAM!!!

Since we have pretty much eliminated all the top predator species (wolves, mountain lions), we have to artificially manage the prey species by hunting, or we have over population problems, which leads to over browsing of food resources. This means they kinda die during the winter when they run out of food.

I know - the program my wife works for is involved in wolf reintroduction. I've learned a great deal lately about how losing top level predators have effects that reach all through the ecosystem, such as stream banks without vegetation (due to trampling by overly plentiful ungulates) which in turn decimates trout populations. Interesting stuff, and quite thought provoking.

But at the moment I just wanted to laugh about the mildly ironic use of the world "refuge" in this context.


Yeah, wildlife management is far more complicated than most folks realize. It's really cool your wife is involved in something like this. Someone mentioned here very recently that the first person to spot a wolf in Kentucky in nearly 50 years shot it on site. That's just dumb.
 
2013-10-08 01:12:54 PM  

HMS_Blinkin: It's almost like actions have consequences or something.  Too bad most tea partiers aren't cognitively capable of connecting cause to effect.


exiledonline.com
"BUT BUT BUT.........can't we just have it so that only WHITE people can go hunting & fishing?"
 
2013-10-08 01:13:20 PM  

Almost Everybody Poops: paygun: the word has come down from on high to make this hurt for as many people as possible

[citation needed]


Blocking roadside access to view Mount Rushmore.  Come on, that's ridiculous.
 
2013-10-08 01:13:31 PM  

paygun: pyrotek85: Just because they're not issuing licenses doesn't mean people won't be hunting or fishing.

Around here if you hunt without a license you've committed a crime except for a few specific circumstances.  The government not issuing a license isn't one of them.


I know, that's my point. What I'm wondering is how many people would actually be caught doing so. I don't know how the shutdown will effect enforcement of those laws.
 
2013-10-08 01:14:12 PM  
Hunting is for losers. And only retard Teabaggers hunt. They have guns and stuff and use them to kill innocent things. This situation should be considered a plus for the government shutdown. All anti-hunting people should be rejoicing that the slaughter has stopped.
 
2013-10-08 01:14:16 PM  

TV's Vinnie: "BUT BUT BUT.........can't we just have it so that only WHITE people can go hunting & fishing?"


I'm OK with that, as long as they're enclosed in in a specific 5 mile x 5 mile area, and they have to hunt each other.
 
2013-10-08 01:14:18 PM  

RedPhoenix122: LittleSmitty: paygun: LittleSmitty: Since we have pretty much eliminated all the top predator species (wolves, mountain lions), we have to artificially manage the prey species by hunting, or we have over population problems, which leads to over browsing of food resources. This means they kinda die during the winter when they run out of food.

I have seen a number of Disney movies with all manner of talking animals and I'll have you know that there is nothing of this sort in any of them.  Are you some kind of tea party person?

Didn't Bambi watch his mother get shot in the first five minutes of the movie?

Was that before or after the evil hunters burned the forest down?


Good point. I haven't seen that one in over 30 years.
 
2013-10-08 01:14:48 PM  

FarkedOver: zipdog: cameroncrazy1984: Yeah, when the government wasn't involved in hunting and fishing, we totally didn't almost wipe out the Buffalo.

Funny thing is that the US government actively promoted the hunting of bison (I'm assuming that's what you meant by Buffalo) to the point that private citizens were begging the government to stop those policies. It is private ownership of bison on private land that has enabled the populations to recover.

The take away is that the government can't be trusted to do anything correctly.  Take every single acre of federal land and sell it off and use it to pay down the debt.  Imagine when these lands are in the hands of private citizens or private companies, the good that will come of it, the bison that will be saved?


www.uncommondescent.com

Nailed him!
 
2013-10-08 01:15:05 PM  

paygun: Almost Everybody Poops: paygun: the word has come down from on high to make this hurt for as many people as possible

[citation needed]

Blocking roadside access to view Mount Rushmore.  Come on, that's ridiculous.


iowntheworld.com
 
2013-10-08 01:15:24 PM  
LittleSmitty:
Yeah, wildlife management is far more complicated than most folks realize. It's really cool your wife is involved in something like this. Someone mentioned here very recently that the first person to spot a wolf in Kentucky in nearly 50 years shot it on site. That's just dumb.

But it was charging right at him.... from about half mile away.
 
2013-10-08 01:15:33 PM  

pyrotek85: I know, that's my point. What I'm wondering is how many people would actually be caught doing so. I don't know how the shutdown will effect enforcement of those laws.


The shutdown isn't going to stop law enforcement, the point is to stop things that people want out of government in order to inflict political damage.
 
2013-10-08 01:15:48 PM  

paygun: ongbok: They are the ones that have engineered this shutdown with threats of primarying any Republican in the House that didn't vote for it.

Yes they did, and the word has come down from on high to make this hurt for as many people as possible, in order to inflict as much political damage on Republicans as possible.  It's not exactly a secret.

This is temper tantrum all around.


See this is what I meant before by the Tea Party is now regretting their decision in the most childish way possible, by blaming somebody else for their own actions. Of course a government shutdown is going to affect just about anything the federal government controls, you would have to be a plain idiot not to realize shutdown the government was going to affect national parks, government offices, national memorials and a host of other things. It is just the dumb as Tea Baggers didn't realize this when they were screaming to shut it down, and now that it is affecting what they do they have to blame somebody, and that somebody isn't going to be themselves. There isn't anybody trying to maximize the hurt for political points against the Republicans, anybody with half a brain should have realized that this was going to hurt in many different ways, and the longer it last the more hurt people are going to feel.
 
2013-10-08 01:15:51 PM  

topcon: cameroncrazy1984: topcon: Except for the fact the article doesn't mention teabaggers whatsoever, therefore making the headline false.

Does it have to mention teabaggers in order for us to do so? I didn't know that was a rule.

Keep playing stupid, Gen-Yer.


The fat old white guy is mad.
 
2013-10-08 01:16:35 PM  

super_grass: FarkedOver: zipdog: cameroncrazy1984: Yeah, when the government wasn't involved in hunting and fishing, we totally didn't almost wipe out the Buffalo.

Funny thing is that the US government actively promoted the hunting of bison (I'm assuming that's what you meant by Buffalo) to the point that private citizens were begging the government to stop those policies. It is private ownership of bison on private land that has enabled the populations to recover.

The take away is that the government can't be trusted to do anything correctly.  Take every single acre of federal land and sell it off and use it to pay down the debt.  Imagine when these lands are in the hands of private citizens or private companies, the good that will come of it, the bison that will be saved?

[www.uncommondescent.com image 333x500]

Nailed him!


Cool graphic bro.  You've never heard of jokes and hyberbole apparently.
 
2013-10-08 01:17:24 PM  

RedPhoenix122: paygun: Almost Everybody Poops: paygun: the word has come down from on high to make this hurt for as many people as possible

[citation needed]

Blocking roadside access to view Mount Rushmore.  Come on, that's ridiculous.

[iowntheworld.com image 570x456]


Yeah look that up on snopes.  Scroll to the bottom where they mention that uh yeah they did actually block access to roadside viewing spots.  I guess the government funding that keeps the wide spots in the road, well, wide, has been shut down.
 
2013-10-08 01:17:36 PM  

CynicalLA: topcon: cameroncrazy1984: topcon: Except for the fact the article doesn't mention teabaggers whatsoever, therefore making the headline false.

Does it have to mention teabaggers in order for us to do so? I didn't know that was a rule.

Keep playing stupid, Gen-Yer.

The fat old white guy is mad.


Born in the late 70's.  Not fat.  Not a teabagger, not a hunter or a fisher, either.

Try again.
 
2013-10-08 01:18:21 PM  
cameroncrazy1984:Jesus Christ people, don't you understand your own history?


Does anyone really need to know history?

I mean, what's in the past, is in the past... There's no way any of it would happen again.
 
2013-10-08 01:18:29 PM  

topcon: CynicalLA: topcon: cameroncrazy1984: topcon: Except for the fact the article doesn't mention teabaggers whatsoever, therefore making the headline false.

Does it have to mention teabaggers in order for us to do so? I didn't know that was a rule.

Keep playing stupid, Gen-Yer.

The fat old white guy is mad.

Born in the late 70's.  Not fat.  Not a teabagger, not a hunter or a fisher, either.

Try again.


Sure buddy.
 
2013-10-08 01:18:42 PM  

ongbok: There isn't anybody trying to maximize the hurt for political points against the Republicans


lol yeah sure
 
2013-10-08 01:18:46 PM  

Pick: If nobody is on duty, how can they stop you from hunting and fishing? They won't know you're there.


You should go do that.
 
2013-10-08 01:19:51 PM  

CynicalLA: topcon: CynicalLA: topcon: cameroncrazy1984: topcon: Except for the fact the article doesn't mention teabaggers whatsoever, therefore making the headline false.

Does it have to mention teabaggers in order for us to do so? I didn't know that was a rule.

Keep playing stupid, Gen-Yer.

The fat old white guy is mad.

Born in the late 70's.  Not fat.  Not a teabagger, not a hunter or a fisher, either.

Try again.

Sure buddy.


My weird beliefs in supporting things like gay marriage and abortion, and the fact I'm areligious kind of hold me back from joining with the teabaggers.
 
2013-10-08 01:20:12 PM  

paygun: Yeah look that up on snopes.  Scroll to the bottom where they mention that uh yeah they did actually block access to roadside viewing spots.  I guess the government funding that keeps the wide spots in the road, well, wide, has been shut down.


Yeah, because the government doesn't maintain access roads.
 
2013-10-08 01:21:16 PM  

paygun: pyrotek85: I know, that's my point. What I'm wondering is how many people would actually be caught doing so. I don't know how the shutdown will effect enforcement of those laws.

The shutdown isn't going to stop law enforcement, the point is to stop things that people want out of government in order to inflict political damage.


We cannot allow people to go into these places because we cannot guarantee their safety.
 
2013-10-08 01:21:43 PM  

RedPhoenix122: Yeah, because the government doesn't maintain access roads.


And they were just surveyor's marks.
 
2013-10-08 01:22:12 PM  

FarkedOver: super_grass: FarkedOver: zipdog: cameroncrazy1984: Yeah, when the government wasn't involved in hunting and fishing, we totally didn't almost wipe out the Buffalo.

Funny thing is that the US government actively promoted the hunting of bison (I'm assuming that's what you meant by Buffalo) to the point that private citizens were begging the government to stop those policies. It is private ownership of bison on private land that has enabled the populations to recover.

The take away is that the government can't be trusted to do anything correctly.  Take every single acre of federal land and sell it off and use it to pay down the debt.  Imagine when these lands are in the hands of private citizens or private companies, the good that will come of it, the bison that will be saved?

[www.uncommondescent.com image 333x500]

Nailed him!

Cool graphic bro.  You've never heard of jokes and hyberbole apparently.


One man's hyperbole is another man's troll.
 
2013-10-08 01:22:22 PM  
in states like Colorado or New Mexico, big game hunting licenses can take more than a decade to get

OK, that's pretty ridiculous.
 
2013-10-08 01:23:17 PM  

paygun: ongbok: There isn't anybody trying to maximize the hurt for political points against the Republicans

lol yeah sure


You're right, it's a giant conspiracy years in the making, to secretly make national parks rely on federal dollars in order to spite the Republicans when they want to shut down the government.  Personally, I blame Ulysses S. Grant.
 
2013-10-08 01:24:45 PM  

Saiga410: We cannot allow people to go into these places because we cannot guarantee their safety.


Right because employees responsible for imminent threats to human life or property will not continue to work, as determined by their agency.
 
2013-10-08 01:25:16 PM  

Triple Oak: Take away golf. I'd love to see the backlash from that.


If memory serves, The Lord Governor Voldemort of Florida entertained a proposal to allow golf courses in state parks.

/Now it appears he's working on building casinos in them.
 
2013-10-08 01:26:01 PM  

ongbok: timswar: What, did they think closing down the federal government wouldn't affect everybody in one way or another?

I would imagine more than a few members of congress had hunting trips planned in the next month or so. Oh well. They can count themselves lucky not to be starving.

Because these people and the people that were applauding the shutdown didn't think that the federal government had any bearing on their lives accept for making their lives miserable. Now that they found out that their childish beliefs are wrong, and shutting down the government has a direct affect on things they need and things they like to do they are regretting their own decisions in the most childish way possible, by putting the blame on somebody else.


That's the thing. The stupid farking conservatives think government doesn't do anything. So when they go out of their way to shut it down, they're horrified to find that some things they don't hate are no longer available to them. They then reason that they're only closed because Obummer is a dick and personally decided to close something to spite them since their narrative (government bad, really ineffective and doesn't do anything) cannot be wrong.

They are actually that stupid.

The people that vote for them are also that stupid.
 
2013-10-08 01:26:11 PM  

dantheman195: I don't understand why the federal government would have control over this. I thought hunting/fishing licenses were issued at the state level.


Federal land, Federally maintained waterways, including docks and launches. Sure you may have a license, but you can't hunt or fish on land owned or maintained by the Federal government.

Sorry, but SUCK IT!
 
2013-10-08 01:26:14 PM  

RedPhoenix122: You're right, it's a giant conspiracy years in the making, to secretly make national parks rely on federal dollars in order to spite the Republicans when they want to shut down the government.  Personally, I blame Ulysses S. Grant.


It has to be something like that, because otherwise that would mean that Barak Obama is really the president and that's just crazy talk.
 
2013-10-08 01:26:59 PM  

zipdog: How the hell did people shoot deer and catch fish before the government was around?


Illegally.
 
2013-10-08 01:27:15 PM  
ITT: another conservative going to pieces after less that a week without 17% of the federal government.
 
2013-10-08 01:27:41 PM  

paygun: Saiga410: We cannot allow people to go into these places because we cannot guarantee their safety.

Right because employees responsible for imminent threats to human life or property will not continue to work, as determined by their agency.


Yeah there is no possible way that they would have to reduce staffing also so that those people are working skeleton crews that would leave them unable to effectively patrol the park and respond to emergencies while it is open to the public.
 
2013-10-08 01:29:56 PM  

topcon: CynicalLA: topcon: CynicalLA: topcon: cameroncrazy1984: topcon: Except for the fact the article doesn't mention teabaggers whatsoever, therefore making the headline false.

Does it have to mention teabaggers in order for us to do so? I didn't know that was a rule.

Keep playing stupid, Gen-Yer.

The fat old white guy is mad.

Born in the late 70's.  Not fat.  Not a teabagger, not a hunter or a fisher, either.

Try again.

Sure buddy.

My weird beliefs in supporting things like gay marriage and abortion, and the fact I'm areligious kind of hold me back from joining with the teabaggers.


That I can respect.  It's just really obvious that this will piss off the people that are supporting the shutdown.  And a lot of those are teabaggers.
 
2013-10-08 01:31:48 PM  

paygun: RedPhoenix122: You're right, it's a giant conspiracy years in the making, to secretly make national parks rely on federal dollars in order to spite the Republicans when they want to shut down the government.  Personally, I blame Ulysses S. Grant.

It has to be something like that, because otherwise that would mean that Barak Obama is really the president and that's just crazy talk.


Have you made love to your guns yet today?  It might be time, you sound a little grumpy.
 
2013-10-08 01:32:08 PM  

Saiga410: LittleSmitty:
Yeah, wildlife management is far more complicated than most folks realize. It's really cool your wife is involved in something like this. Someone mentioned here very recently that the first person to spot a wolf in Kentucky in nearly 50 years shot it on site. That's just dumb.

But it was charging right at him.... from about half mile away.


They always do. Ask Gerald Ford
 
2013-10-08 01:32:26 PM  

ongbok: Yeah there is no possible way that they would have to reduce staffing also so that those people are working skeleton crews that would leave them unable to effectively patrol the park and respond to emergencies while it is open to the public.


Google this sentence and you'll see it in the published shutdown plans of one agency after another.  It's not something I just made up:

Employees responsible for imminent threats to human life or property will continue to work, as determined by their agency.
 
2013-10-08 01:33:12 PM  

dr_blasto: That's the thing. The stupid farking conservatives think government doesn't do anything. So when they go out of their way to shut it down, they're horrified to find that some things they don't hate are no longer available to them. They then reason that they're only closed because Obummer is a dick and personally decided to close something to spite them since their narrative (government bad, really ineffective and doesn't do anything) cannot be wrong.

They are actually that stupid.

The people that vote for them are also that stupid.


That's ultimately the thing, and why I continually try to point out that calling the Teabaggers (and "libertarians" in general) "anarchists" or "anti-government" or whatever is not at all correct and is, in fact, playing right into their (and their owners') hands. They don't hate government, at all. They love government. They love big-ass farking government. There is no government big-ass enough for them when it comes to the functions of state violence, or restricting civil rights for whoever they've been told not to like, or filling the pockets of their wealthy lords.

What they hate is any function of governance that prevents them (and, again, more properly their owners) from complete freedom to plunder everything they can from the rest of the country: Wealth, resources, even basic human dignity. They want it all. When they say they "hate government", what they mean is they hate democracy. They hate not being the rulers. They hate that the entire country is not a collection of patroonships owned by right-wing ubermenschen.

They're no more anti-government than any other totalitarian fascist group over the last century or so. They just hate that anyone they've decided isn't part of their tribe has any freedom whatsoever, and will do anything they can to destroy the structures that protect those freedoms.
 
2013-10-08 01:33:57 PM  

CynicalLA: Have you made love to your guns yet today?  It might be time, you sound a little grumpy.


I love them so much I gave them names.  I have a rifle named "Ad Hominem" and a revolver named "I've got nothing."
 
2013-10-08 01:36:02 PM  

paygun: CynicalLA: Have you made love to your guns yet today?  It might be time, you sound a little grumpy.

I love them so much I gave them names.  I have a rifle named "Ad Hominem" and a revolver named "I've got nothing."


Every thing you post is somehow related back to your gun fetish.  It's a fact.
 
2013-10-08 01:38:09 PM  
Come on up to Canada! We'll need the extra tourist dollars when the default causes the greenback to tank and the loonie to soar.
 
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