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(CNN)   In every other shutdown, furloughed workers got back pay. Monday, Senate Republicans blocked a back-pay bill for this shutdown. Fark: Passed unanimously by House Republicans   (politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com) divider line 80
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2013-10-08 12:39:03 PM
I'm shocked.
 
2013-10-08 12:49:06 PM
I don't agree that the federal employees should be bearing the brunt of a fraction of House republicans shutting down the government, but I do understand the sentiment of, "Hey assholes, don't try an end-around to delay this. Fix this shiat and stop making us all look bad."
 
2013-10-08 12:50:14 PM
"Asked if the bill should be subject to amendments and filibusters - procedures that could delay passage for several days - Cornyn said, 'yeah, we ought to legislate. how else am I supposed to introduce my personal fluffer funding amendment?'"
 
2013-10-08 12:53:41 PM
I'm confused, I thought this passed unanimously last week?
 
2013-10-08 12:56:04 PM
Congresscritters still getting paid.
 
2013-10-08 01:01:49 PM
Hey House, why don't you just fund the government instead of trying to line item the whole thing, you dicks.
 
2013-10-08 01:02:22 PM
cdn-www.i-am-bored.com
 
2013-10-08 01:02:23 PM
Raw deal if you are a contractor - you get nothing.

//well, you get to burn your vacation time
/if you have any
 
2013-10-08 01:03:02 PM
As stupid as it is to block this bill, it's almost not as bad as it sounds.

After all, even if they approve back pay, the checks still won't be sent until the end of the base problem of the shutdown.
And it is a little silly to say "OK, we agree to pay you guys for the time your missing, but we refuse to allow you to back to work."
 
2013-10-08 01:03:32 PM

raerae1980: I'm confused, I thought this passed unanimously last week?


Passed the House.  Still needs to be voted on by Senate (where it's being held), then signed into law.
 
2013-10-08 01:05:26 PM

namegoeshere: Congresscritters still getting paid.


And their staffs aren't. So if you call your Rep/Senator's office, there's no one to complain to about your not getting paid.
 
2013-10-08 01:05:30 PM

BilldaCat10: Raw deal if you are a contractor - you get nothing.

//well, you get to burn your vacation time
/if you have any


I'm pretty sure that's not how contractors work.
 
2013-10-08 01:06:24 PM
'Sir, the robbers have hostages. They're issuing demands.'
'What do they want?'
'$20 million dollars in non sequential bills, a Backhawk helicopter, and a kitten for every child in the city.'
'We're not doing that?'
'WHY DO YOU HATE CHILDREN!?'
 
2013-10-08 01:06:28 PM
Underscores how stupid the "shutdown" idea is.  The federal employees are prevented from doing their jobs, and then dumbasses in Congress want to also blow a hole in their family budgets by not paying them for the inconvenience of not being able to work.

The bills don't just stop showing up.  If you want to lose your workforce then keep doing this.  At least in the private sector you have the option of trying to find other clients/jobs during the gap, but federal employees can't take another job or they'll lose the one they have.
 
2013-10-08 01:07:08 PM
Argh curse you random question mark!
 
2013-10-08 01:07:20 PM

ikanreed: BilldaCat10: Raw deal if you are a contractor - you get nothing.

//well, you get to burn your vacation time
/if you have any

I'm pretty sure that's not how contractors work.


??

I have several friends who are contractors with the govt - their employer (not the govt) gave them the option to use their vacation time, or take leave w/o pay.  Not sure why you are thinking that's wrong.
 
2013-10-08 01:07:28 PM

hiker9999: raerae1980: I'm confused, I thought this passed unanimously last week?

Passed the House.  Still needs to be voted on by Senate (where it's being held), then signed into law.


Oh, I see.  I thought the Senate had their shiat together?   Now, a lone R is going to curb this bill?  Jeez...*SIGH*
 
2013-10-08 01:07:58 PM
See?
(R) republickers really love Amerikuh.
 
2013-10-08 01:07:59 PM

ikanreed: BilldaCat10: Raw deal if you are a contractor - you get nothing.

//well, you get to burn your vacation time
/if you have any

I'm pretty sure that's not how contractors work.


Depends. If I am an employee of a company that is a military contractor, I accrue vacation. If I am an individual who is a contractor (in business for myself), then I do not accrue vacation.
 
2013-10-08 01:08:26 PM

BilldaCat10: Raw deal if you are a contractor - you get nothing.

//well, you get to burn your vacation time
/if you have any


Nope. We were told that if we did not have 80 percent direct charge we were furloughed. And nobody in the company is allowed to take leave right now.

I have a friend that is a dod pharmacist. He was on vacation, pre approved, when the shutdown hit and he was told to report to work last Tuesday or be fired.
 
2013-10-08 01:09:04 PM
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2013-10-08 01:09:05 PM

BilldaCat10: Raw deal if you are a contractor - you get nothing.

//well, you get to burn your vacation time
/if you have any


Fark all contractors.

Frigging robbers, thieves, and camp followers.
 
2013-10-08 01:09:18 PM
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2013-10-08 01:12:29 PM

Where wolf: Nope. We were told that if we did not have 80 percent direct charge we were furloughed. And nobody in the company is allowed to take leave right now.


Interesting.  My friend is contracting at NASA, he had the vacation option or LWOP option.  Some others were lucky that their contract was funded with 2013 dollars, so they are good until Novemberish, or less if they decide to suddenly cut it and use the $ elsewhere.
 
2013-10-08 01:13:05 PM
Senate GOP were getting jealous about the House GOP having all of the opportunities to destroy the party in the eyes of the voters.
 
2013-10-08 01:15:18 PM

BilldaCat10: Where wolf: Nope. We were told that if we did not have 80 percent direct charge we were furloughed. And nobody in the company is allowed to take leave right now.

Interesting.  My friend is contracting at NASA, he had the vacation option or LWOP option.   Some others were lucky that their contract was funded with 2013 dollars, so they are good until Novemberish, or less if they decide to suddenly cut it and use the $ elsewhere.


Thats where we sit basically.  Although my specific section gets funded through another Federal agency that is still open and running.  Things will get interesting if the debt ceiling is raised but no CR is passed because the dispersed money we have runs out at the beginning of November.  Which means half the people will go home.. the other half still get to work.

All this shiat better get worked out.  I will still get to work, but I have many friends who currently aren't working and even more that are SOL if it isn't fixed soon...
 
2013-10-08 01:15:23 PM
Wow, its as if the GoP is trying its hardest to punish America for turning them down at the national prom..

twice, and the other 42 times they asked.
 
2013-10-08 01:15:57 PM
remember that time Obama was going to triple our utility bills and gas was going to 8 bucks a gallon? ahhhh, the good old days of 2009. Obama should come out and say " I shut down the government to stop all the Republican pork barrel spending" just for laughs.
 
2013-10-08 01:16:02 PM
Congrats GOP, you just lost 800,000 voters in 2014.

Please proceed.
 
2013-10-08 01:18:00 PM

jntaylor63: Congrats GOP, you just lost 800,000 voters in 2014.

Please proceed.


They werent real americans anyway, just more takers, not makers...besides a government job isnt even a real job...duh.
 
2013-10-08 01:21:21 PM

ikanreed: BilldaCat10: Raw deal if you are a contractor - you get nothing.

//well, you get to burn your vacation time
/if you have any

I'm pretty sure that's not how contractors work.


Actually, that pretty much is how contractors work. They can't work onsite unless there are Federal employees to supervise them, but the Federal employees have all been furloughed. So the contractors can't work either. Only they haven't been furloughed, and thus are not eligible for furlough assistance. Some contractors can telework, and some of these can continue to work and even be paid for it (since their contracts were already funded before the shutdown), but this doesn't apply to all of them, or even most.

What exactly this means is up to the contractor's company. Some are actually furloughing (and even laying off) employees. Others are keeping them on, but making them either burn leave or take unpaid leave. I'm not sure which is worse, to be honest. A small number who have openings in non-government positions are shifting employees to them, but there are not enough openings to go around.

Shutdowns have been a standard business risk in the contracting world for over 30 years. Honestly, I'm not sure it's even ethical for a contracting company to conduct business without having some kind of fund in place to deal with shutdowns, at least in the short or medium term. But as far as I know, nobody has anything like that.

/burning leave
 
2013-10-08 01:21:40 PM

SmackLT: I don't agree that the federal employees should be bearing the brunt of a fraction of House republicans shutting down the government, but I do understand the sentiment of, "Hey assholes, don't try an end-around to delay this. Fix this shiat and stop making us all look bad."


Yeah. Sucks to be fed employees right now though
 
2013-10-08 01:22:26 PM
I wonder if this is a fark you to Boner?
 
2013-10-08 01:25:31 PM
If you ever needed proof that none of this is about money or the debt, the house vote is it.

This is absolutely political grandstanding. The house republicans voted unanimously to pay people for NOT working. (I actually agree, for different reasons than they do, but that's beside the point)

But it does prove it's not about money, or cutting the budget, or anything other than political stunts.
 
2013-10-08 01:27:48 PM

BilldaCat10: ikanreed: BilldaCat10: Raw deal if you are a contractor - you get nothing.

//well, you get to burn your vacation time
/if you have any

I'm pretty sure that's not how contractors work.

??

I have several friends who are contractors with the govt - their employer (not the govt) gave them the option to use their vacation time, or take leave w/o pay.  Not sure why you are thinking that's wrong.


Because funding for most contracts was disbursed months ago, if not years ago.
 
2013-10-08 01:29:28 PM
The GOP is nothing but a bunch of retarded malcontents, and I mean no disrespect to the retarded malcontent community when I say that.
 
2013-10-08 01:30:14 PM
I...  I want to be a dick.  Even through I shouldn't and it might cost our company money.

See, almost all the MSHA inspectors my mine has to deal with are far, far right Republicans.  They're almost all furloughed right now.  I'm going to have to resist the urge to ask them about this.
 
2013-10-08 01:31:23 PM
It's time to smash capitalism and smash the state as we know it.  These clowns have destroyed way too many lives.
 
2013-10-08 01:32:26 PM

Satanic_Hamster: I...  I want to be a dick.  Even through I shouldn't and it might cost our company money.

See, almost all the MSHA inspectors my mine has to deal with are far, far right Republicans.  They're almost all furloughed right now.  I'm going to have to resist the urge to ask them about this.


They'll probably just blame the President and the Dems.
 
2013-10-08 01:32:33 PM

Millennium: ikanreed: BilldaCat10: Raw deal if you are a contractor - you get nothing.

//well, you get to burn your vacation time
/if you have any

I'm pretty sure that's not how contractors work.

Actually, that pretty much is how contractors work. They can't work onsite unless there are Federal employees to supervise them, but the Federal employees have all been furloughed. So the contractors can't work either. Only they haven't been furloughed, and thus are not eligible for furlough assistance. Some contractors can telework, and some of these can continue to work and even be paid for it (since their contracts were already funded before the shutdown), but this doesn't apply to all of them, or even most.

What exactly this means is up to the contractor's company. Some are actually furloughing (and even laying off) employees. Others are keeping them on, but making them either burn leave or take unpaid leave. I'm not sure which is worse, to be honest. A small number who have openings in non-government positions are shifting employees to them, but there are not enough openings to go around.

Shutdowns have been a standard business risk in the contracting world for over 30 years. Honestly, I'm not sure it's even ethical for a contracting company to conduct business without having some kind of fund in place to deal with shutdowns, at least in the short or medium term. But as far as I know, nobody has anything like that.

/burning leave


We had to lay off a boat load of people a few years back.  The hiring ramp up has been incredibly slow after getting funding slightly restored so we had extra cash on hand.  Management stashed it away into this type of thing in case of shutdowns and what not.  Lots of people who were still here were pissed at the time because raises weren't handed out.  Many of those same people are rather thankful at the moment.

Also - Contractors are NOT eligible for back pay.  We cannot legally be paid for work we did not do.
 
2013-10-08 01:33:01 PM
Still think both sides are bad?
 
2013-10-08 01:34:17 PM

give me doughnuts: Still think both sides are bad?


Yes.  That's why I'm a socialist.
 
2013-10-08 01:35:06 PM

give me doughnuts: Still think both sides are bad?


Both sides are bad: House GOP and senate GOP.
 
2013-10-08 01:35:13 PM

jntaylor63: Congrats GOP, you just lost 800,000 voters in 2014.

Please proceed.


Are any Senate seats up in Virginia or Maryland in 2014?  Virginia probably won't be a battle ground state in 2016 now either.
 
2013-10-08 01:35:35 PM
I have to admit I'm not happy about paying people to do nothing.
Of course, the ideal solution would have been for us to pay them and allow them to keep doing their jobs, so yeah giving them back pay to keep them from revolting is probably a good idea.

How come we don't just furlough Congress and let the President make all the decision until the crisis is resolved?  Would probably happen pretty fast.
 
2013-10-08 01:39:42 PM
Hey subby!

Are you aware that the Senate already passed a couple bills to pay federal workers?

It would fund that NIH program for the cancer kids, too.

And the parks. And weather services. And food and drug safety, intelligence ops, highways... All sorts of stuff!
 
2013-10-08 01:40:26 PM

ikanreed: BilldaCat10: Raw deal if you are a contractor - you get nothing.

//well, you get to burn your vacation time
/if you have any

I'm pretty sure that's not how contractors work.

remember the important word in contactor is contract.... if you write in or put in vacation time into your contract you will get vacation time.

 
2013-10-08 01:43:27 PM

pootsie: Hey subby!

Are you aware that the Senate already passed a couple bills to pay federal workers?

It would fund that NIH program for the cancer kids, too.

And the parks. And weather services. And food and drug safety, intelligence ops, highways... All sorts of stuff!


not to get all wikipedia on you but what sorces do you have to back up you claim .... or is this sarcasm that i missed.
 
2013-10-08 01:45:44 PM
Hey wasn't this a political stunt done by the Republicans in the house?

Now that it would actually pass the Republicans are against it.
 
2013-10-08 01:49:04 PM
I guess the Senate GOP was tired of being out-douchebagged by their House counterparts.
 
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