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(WTOP)   New study shows that it's not just American students who are dumber than the rest of the world -- American adults aren't exactly the sharpest spoons in the drawer, either. Not you, though, you're brilliant   (wtop.com) divider line 169
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2013-10-08 08:32:43 AM
www.joeydevilla.com

Not even slightly surprising.
 
2013-10-08 08:50:42 AM
Three weeks ago, we had a student complaining about a computer in the lab that wouldn't boot.  My worker went over to help him with it and discovered it was unplugged...

By the student who was trying to use it and had just reported it.  He had unplugged it to plug in his laptop which needed charging.  He couldn't figure out that why it didn't work.

/I'm not making that up, seriously.
//every day I think I've seen it all, then something else comes along that convinces me otherwise.
 
2013-10-08 08:57:22 AM
hmm ... What do the USA ,Spain And Italy have in common? Strange that the three most religious countries in the first world all rank low on this test. weird they all seem to ha economic trouble as well.
 
2013-10-08 08:59:01 AM
oops autocorrect got me. Have not ha.
 
2013-10-08 09:05:04 AM
It's pretty obvious that's how it would work though.  A poor education system filled with economic and social barriers, coupled with college that's not affordable for a large percentage of the citizens, and you get an adult population that doesn't have the critical thinking skills to question the propaganda that's spewed by corporate America.
 
2013-10-08 09:05:17 AM
That's bullshiat. I can think of potato reasons why we're smartur.
 
2013-10-08 09:12:12 AM
Yeah, but we have all the money. Not you, though. You're poor.
 
2013-10-08 09:13:42 AM
i1151.photobucket.com
I find these accusations absurd obtuse and ill-founded!
No account was made for my impaired dexstarity on the written examination.
Over-consumption has caused obesity in my digits! I DEMAND VERBAL RE-TESTING!
 
2013-10-08 09:15:20 AM
Ooh. . . a study that shows a country where the Tea Party has taken hold has lots of stupid adults in it. Who'd have seen that coming.
 
2013-10-08 09:23:54 AM
i40.tinypic.com
 
2013-10-08 09:25:30 AM
That's the plan, defund education and keep voters dumb as rocks.  It's working great!
 
2013-10-08 09:27:38 AM
Hey! I mostly read articles by Matt Taibbi! I spent almost a half hour reading an Ars Technica link just the other day!
 
2013-10-08 09:27:55 AM

RedPhoenix122: It's pretty obvious that's how it would work though.  A poor education system filled with economic and social barriers, coupled with college that's not affordable for a large percentage of the citizens, and you get an adult population that doesn't have the critical thinking skills to question the propaganda that's spewed by corporate America.


^^^  You think maybe someone figured out a long time ago that there is a dollar to be made here......  ??
 
2013-10-08 09:30:24 AM

Strik3r: ^^^  You think maybe someone figured out a long time ago that there is a dollar to be made here......  ??


The genius part was allowing corporations to buy news agencies AND advertise during the broadcasts.
 
2013-10-08 09:30:52 AM
I'm sure 51% are total idiots.

/private ed/great college, AND common sense. Unlike the unwashed masses.
 
2013-10-08 09:32:22 AM
That certainly explains all of my political opponents.
 
2013-10-08 09:35:18 AM
It's not just education. There's something that goes on later in American life that turns people's brains into superstitious delusion-producing jello.

One of my facebook "friends" (really just someone I hung out with decades ago) actually typed, "God blass Texas!" and it put me over the edge. I unfriended him and all the rest of the a-holes and gutted my account of pictures and information. I just couldn't stand the derping anymore.

What happens to people in this country as they age? Is it a brain disease or something?
I'm hard-pressed to tolerate the sheltered entitled ignorant musings of half-smart people who were born on second base and think they hit a triple and are now very smug about being on third base. It's almost as if their brains have suffered some kind of degradation over the years and they can't reason and have no memory of past life events.
Disturbing and sad.

At a time when folks should be venerable and wise, Americans seem to just ooze tribalism and fear and hatred. Maybe that's the result of the combination of greed and religion working on their minds for so long.
 
2013-10-08 09:37:14 AM
The typical American mind at work:

25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-10-08 09:38:43 AM
What I took from this article is that you are poor because you are stupid.
 
2013-10-08 09:39:29 AM

RedPhoenix122: It's pretty obvious that's how it would work though.  A poor education system filled with economic and social barriers, coupled with college that's not affordable for a large percentage of the citizens, and you get an adult population that doesn't have the critical thinking skills to question the propaganda that's spewed by corporate America.


You forgot to a add a large portion of the populace who are lazy as fark, don't value education, and have an entitlement complex.
 
2013-10-08 09:40:05 AM
Liberal schools and liberal teachers have been bringing the curve down for years.
 
2013-10-08 09:40:17 AM
Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you Exhibit A: SOMEBODY votes these clowns into power.....
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2013-10-08 09:41:35 AM

SDRR: You forgot to a add a large portion of the populace who are lazy as fark, don't value education, and have an entitlement complex.


I try not to talk about the south.
 
2013-10-08 09:41:57 AM
Socialism works.
 
2013-10-08 09:43:29 AM

antidisestablishmentarianism: What I took from this article is that you are poor because you are stupid.


More accurately, you are poor because your parents are stupid.  A significant portion of your IQ comes from your parents.
 
2013-10-08 09:43:35 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: It's not just education. There's something that goes on later in American life that turns people's brains into superstitious delusion-producing jello.

One of my facebook "friends" (really just someone I hung out with decades ago) actually typed, "God blass Texas!" and it put me over the edge. I unfriended him and all the rest of the a-holes and gutted my account of pictures and information. I just couldn't stand the derping anymore.

What happens to people in this country as they age? Is it a brain disease or something?
I'm hard-pressed to tolerate the sheltered entitled ignorant musings of half-smart people who were born on second base and think they hit a triple and are now very smug about being on third base. It's almost as if their brains have suffered some kind of degradation over the years and they can't reason and have no memory of past life events.
Disturbing and sad.

At a time when folks should be venerable and wise, Americans seem to just ooze tribalism and fear and hatred. Maybe that's the result of the combination of greed and religion working on their minds for so long.


I too have had to cull my "friend" herd because of the derp. Mostly a product of being from Alabama, but even my college educated friends who didn't escape the South tend to lean Tea Party. And they're not even old enough for age to be a good excuse. It's really sad. We should be FB friends.
 
2013-10-08 09:44:12 AM
HAW HAW LIBZ R TEH DUMM
 
2013-10-08 09:45:12 AM
I don't get that at all. The greatest minds of the 20th century were American.

Albert Einstein
Sigmund Freud
Bertrand Russell
Ludwig Wittgenstein
Steven Hawking
Anne Frank
Marie Curie
And inventor of the internet, ffs - Al Gore.
 
2013-10-08 09:47:18 AM

RedPhoenix122: SDRR: You forgot to a add a large portion of the populace who are lazy as fark, don't value education, and have an entitlement complex.

I try not to talk about the south.



Not much room to talk......Baltimore - what a shiat hole
 
2013-10-08 09:48:48 AM
The countries with high scores on that test also have less income disparity. Poor people are dumb. They're not poor because they're dumb; they're dumb because they're poor. Put them in an environment where they have to scratch for the basic necessities of life, and compete with better-resourced people for educational opportunity, and they just get dumber.

Middle-class Americans aren't dumber than middle-class Finns; they're just a smaller percentage of the population.
 
2013-10-08 09:49:49 AM

Via Infinito: HotIgneous Intruder: It's not just education. There's something that goes on later in American life that turns people's brains into superstitious delusion-producing jello.

One of my facebook "friends" (really just someone I hung out with decades ago) actually typed, "God blass Texas!" and it put me over the edge. I unfriended him and all the rest of the a-holes and gutted my account of pictures and information. I just couldn't stand the derping anymore.

What happens to people in this country as they age? Is it a brain disease or something?
I'm hard-pressed to tolerate the sheltered entitled ignorant musings of half-smart people who were born on second base and think they hit a triple and are now very smug about being on third base. It's almost as if their brains have suffered some kind of degradation over the years and they can't reason and have no memory of past life events.
Disturbing and sad.

At a time when folks should be venerable and wise, Americans seem to just ooze tribalism and fear and hatred. Maybe that's the result of the combination of greed and religion working on their minds for so long.

I too have had to cull my "friend" herd because of the derp. Mostly a product of being from Alabama, but even my college educated friends who didn't escape the South tend to lean Tea Party. And they're not even old enough for age to be a good excuse. It's really sad. We should be FB friends.


Wow, de-friended on Facebook. You showed them!
The importance and emotion people put into FB status makes me chuckle.  Like Fark.
 
2013-10-08 09:50:04 AM

Via Infinito: HotIgneous Intruder: It's not just education. There's something that goes on later in American life that turns people's brains into superstitious delusion-producing jello.

One of my facebook "friends" (really just someone I hung out with decades ago) actually typed, "God blass Texas!" and it put me over the edge. I unfriended him and all the rest of the a-holes and gutted my account of pictures and information. I just couldn't stand the derping anymore.

What happens to people in this country as they age? Is it a brain disease or something?
I'm hard-pressed to tolerate the sheltered entitled ignorant musings of half-smart people who were born on second base and think they hit a triple and are now very smug about being on third base. It's almost as if their brains have suffered some kind of degradation over the years and they can't reason and have no memory of past life events.
Disturbing and sad.

At a time when folks should be venerable and wise, Americans seem to just ooze tribalism and fear and hatred. Maybe that's the result of the combination of greed and religion working on their minds for so long.

I too have had to cull my "friend" herd because of the derp. Mostly a product of being from Alabama, but even my college educated friends who didn't escape the South tend to lean Tea Party. And they're not even old enough for age to be a good excuse. It's really sad. We should be FB friends.


Lord J is bookface friends with absolutely everyone he's ever met in his life (i keed not), and his newsfeed is a mesmerisingly awful parade of mis spelling, kneejerk reactions to laughably skewed media, trite philosophy, and endless, endless status updates about people's kids.

the net result being he almost never goes on fb.
 
2013-10-08 09:50:51 AM

karnal: Liberal schools and liberal teachers have been bringing the curve down for years.


FTFA: "Adults in Japan, Canada, Australia, Finland and multiple other countries scored significantly higher than the United States in all three areas on the test."

Funny thing, your viewpoint is not supported by the data in the article. Hmmmmmm....Hmmmmmm....Hmmmmmmmmm.....
Australia just took a turn to the right, but the majority of countries kicking academic ass are very Liberal. Hmmmmmmm....Hmmmmmmmmm.....
 
2013-10-08 09:50:53 AM
A college education does not make one smart.  I worked for years as IT for an engineering firm and I can tell you this, 99% of them I'd NEVER want to be stranded on a deserted island with!!! It was as if their education was in one very very small sliver in which they had their degree in and the "flat lined" on everything else.  Many couldn't apply anything they learned outside there particular limited, focused education.  Electrical engineers who had no idea what a dead battery in their cars sounded like.  Mechanical engineers who couldn't get the pencil shaving container back on the sharpener. People who could not figure out why their print jobs from their laptops didn't go through despite the fact the power was out in the building.  It was very scary! but on the good side, there were a lot of noon seminars with lots of good food left over!
 
2013-10-08 09:52:51 AM
Is the U.S. the most self-deprecating country in the world? Every time one of these threads comes up, it's nothing but "Yep, we're stupid". Look, it's a country of 314 million people, we're going to get a percentage of uneducated morons. Some great things have come from this country, why always focus on the negatives?
 
2013-10-08 09:53:24 AM

Quackadam: A college education does not make one smart.


This is true.  However, the lack of a college education can prevent one from becoming smart.
 
2013-10-08 09:56:43 AM
And I've been sharpening my knives all this time. It's the spoons that need sharpening. Who knew?
 
2013-10-08 09:57:13 AM
"Researchers tested about 157,000 people ages 16 to 65 in more than 20 countries and subnational regions."

157,000?  Against the population of 20 countries, including the U.S.?? Without knowing how this was distributed, you could at least safely estimate no more than 30,000 Americans. A country with more than 315,000,000 people?

I think the problem with these kind of stories is that news outlets find, and report on these "studies", and when people see "according to a study", they seem to willingly cast away any tendencies toward critical thinking. Frankly, I'm tired of the "people from this country are dumber than people in that country" bits. People are generally the same everywhere. Some educational systems are better than others, but I doubt the fluctuation is as dramatic as we're always led to believe.
 
2013-10-08 09:59:23 AM
From Figure 2.2a in the report (literacy proficiency):
Top countries: Japan, Finland, Netherlands, Australia, Sweden, Norway, Estonia, Flanders (Belgium).
Mid range: Czech Republic, Slovak Republic, Canada, Korea, UK.
Then it's Denmark, Germany, then the US.

South Korea  has a 2.1% overall illiteracy rate (0.8% for men, 3.4% for women). I suspect the only way they got a high literacy score was by limiting the test to those who could read.

With the exception of South Korea, all these countries have literacy rates 99% (most of these countries) or higher (Norway, Finland, Estonia, and Slovakia all had rates >99%). Japan, which has the highest score on this scale, has the same literacy rate as the US by the CIA world factbook scale. In the CIA ranking, we're tied for 5th place out of these countries.

I think it's like the 100-meter dash at the Olympics. Yes, there's a first and a last place, but they're separated by a few tenths of a second.
 
2013-10-08 09:59:29 AM

labman: Three weeks ago, we had a student complaining about a computer in the lab that wouldn't boot.  My worker went over to help him with it and discovered it was unplugged...

By the student who was trying to use it and had just reported it.  He had unplugged it to plug in his laptop which needed charging.  He couldn't figure out that why it didn't work.

/I'm not making that up, seriously.
//every day I think I've seen it all, then something else comes along that convinces me otherwise.


Actually for a young kid who is used to using laptops and other devices with batteries I could totally see them not realizing that desktops don't have batteries and only run off of wall power.
 
2013-10-08 10:00:29 AM
 
2013-10-08 10:01:07 AM
Americans only seem dumb on standardized tests because we give standardized tests to everybody. In Germany, 1/3rd of their students are out of school by 9th grade and apprenticed off to the trades. 1/3 finish in 11th grade and go on to white collar careers. The rest attend Gymnasium, which is preparation for college. 30% of Germans attend college. Which is actually up, in the 60s it was 10%.
 
2013-10-08 10:01:15 AM

Quackadam: A college education does not make one smart.  I worked for years as IT for an engineering firm and I can tell you this, 99% of them I'd NEVER want to be stranded on a deserted island with!!! It was as if their education was in one very very small sliver in which they had their degree in and the "flat lined" on everything else.  Many couldn't apply anything they learned outside there particular limited, focused education.  Electrical engineers who had no idea what a dead battery in their cars sounded like.  Mechanical engineers who couldn't get the pencil shaving container back on the sharpener. People who could not figure out why their print jobs from their laptops didn't go through despite the fact the power was out in the building.  It was very scary! but on the good side, there were a lot of noon seminars with lots of good food left over!


The chief IT guy at the last place I worked tried to witness to me saying things like "do you really believe we came from monkeys?"
It was pretty shocking to hear that sort of creationist nonsense come out of a successful well-educated mouth.
 
2013-10-08 10:02:22 AM

SovietCanuckistan: karnal: Liberal schools and liberal teachers have been bringing the curve down for years.

FTFA: "Adults in Japan, Canada, Australia, Finland and multiple other countries scored significantly higher than the United States in all three areas on the test."

Funny thing, your viewpoint is not supported by the data in the article. Hmmmmmm....Hmmmmmm....Hmmmmmmmmm.....
Australia just took a turn to the right, but the majority of countries kicking academic ass are very Liberal. Hmmmmmmm....Hmmmmmmmmm.....


Australia's "right" is still to the left of US democrats.
 
2013-10-08 10:02:37 AM

Whatchoo Talkinbout: And I've been sharpening my knives all this time. It's the spoons that need sharpening. Who knew?


I prefer the phrase "not the sharpest bulb in the box".

/stolen from QC
 
2013-10-08 10:03:17 AM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: There's reasons that are politically incorrect to admit.


I'm really shocked that you have this bookmarked.
 
2013-10-08 10:06:08 AM

Evil Twin Skippy: Americans only seem dumb on standardized tests because we give standardized tests to everybody. In Germany, 1/3rd of their students are out of school by 9th grade and apprenticed off to the trades. 1/3 finish in 11th grade and go on to white collar careers. The rest attend Gymnasium, which is preparation for college. 30% of Germans attend college. Which is actually up, in the 60s it was 10%.


Having lived abroad, I respectfully disagree; we really are dumber on the whole.   Ruder, too.  That said, I think Germany has the right idea on education; the number of top-tier American university graduates I've met that can't reason their way out of a wet paper sack is pretty shocking.
 
2013-10-08 10:09:03 AM

RedPhoenix122: Quackadam: A college education does not make one smart.

This is true.  However, the lack of a college education can prevent one from becoming smart.


Which explains why a person I know, that has three different college degrees, can't open a can of soup to save herself from starving.
 
2013-10-08 10:10:42 AM
I am halfway though grading the first thermodynamics test of the semester for undergraduate meteorology majors (at a mid-tier American public school).

Not sure I can make it through the rest without excessive drinking, crying, or jumping in front of a moving bus. I estimate one third of these kids will not make the grade and progress to the next level. Granted, thermodynamics is challenging, but so many of these kids just simply seem to be in way over their heads - and I simply can't dumb it down any more.

Been doing this for a while. It certainly hasn't gotten better over time. College, for many, is warmed-over high school, and with rampant grade inflation we have many college graduates who are not very educated citizens.
 
2013-10-08 10:11:39 AM

Quackadam: A college education does not make one smart.


Maybe not, but an education can protect you from infromation. At least if it involves science and stuff.
 
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