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(Talking Points Memo)   Meet the nine Republicans who are perfectly content with letting America default on the National Debt. RAND PAUL is one of them   (talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 85
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2013-10-08 09:22:00 AM  
I don't WANNA meet those people. Ick.
 
2013-10-08 09:23:39 AM  
Of course Rand Paul is one of them. It would fulfill his father's dream of destroying the modern economy and brink back the barter system we had when he was a boy.
 
2013-10-08 09:24:04 AM  
1) vote for programs you know your constituents like even if they claim to be small government types
2) vote to keep tax rates low
3) refuse to pay the difference between one and two because we have too much debt.

/ you can't have it spending, low taxes and no debt
 
2013-10-08 09:26:35 AM  
Okay, this is a case of politicians being full of shiat. When the time comes, they'll vote yes before a default happens, except maybe Rand. You see a default will affect the GDP and by god the corporate swine are going to crack the whip on these guys to ensure that their bottom line isn't affected.
 
2013-10-08 09:26:56 AM  
Here are nine guys who don't understand how the government works yet are happy to drive the thing into the ditch. I think it's the governmental equivalent of, "Hey y'all, watch this!"
 
2013-10-08 09:27:31 AM  
The Federal Gov't is taking in far more than enough revenue to pay the debt service.
 
2013-10-08 09:27:47 AM  
Only nine?
 
2013-10-08 09:29:04 AM  
Wow...  I'm not sure if they're serious or if they're trying to appear as if they don't understand so that the Dems really believe they'll just ignorantly march forward and destroy the US (and a good chunk of the global economy).
 
2013-10-08 09:29:19 AM  
This is the same guy who thinks that slavery wasn't that big of a problem and would have worked itself out in time anyway.

This is the same man who thinks it is a violation of human rights to require handicap access to businesses.
 
2013-10-08 09:29:25 AM  
Help me out here... was Rand Paul named after Ayn Rand?  Jus'sayin.
 
2013-10-08 09:29:36 AM  
I have been told many times by concerned Fark independents that Rand Paul would be a viable contender for 2016. Is this not true? Have I been had by a ruse?
 
2013-10-08 09:29:49 AM  
Wow.  I would have thought there were far more than that, considering the kind of glee I'm seeing on sites like WND and Yahoo.  Not surprising that Rand Paul is one of them though.
 
2013-10-08 09:30:59 AM  
I just can't understand people who'd be willing to crash the world's largest economy just to stick it to one political party.
 
2013-10-08 09:31:41 AM  
Dear People:

Since I know all of you with the exception of Coburn are inexperienced and entirely insane, you think of money as operating in terms of the gold standard: we have a dollar, we pay a dollar.

But it doesn't actually work that way. See, our money isn't backed by gold, it's backed by 'the full faith and credit of the United States Government'. Whip a bill out. It says it right there.

So when you do something incredibly farking stupid and unnecessary, like gridlock your government to the point you can't pay all of your bills in a timely manner, that faith and credit are destroyed. The result is, your money is instantly worth less, and it costs more for you to borrow more.

And this isn't liberal economists talking either. It happened a little bit the last time you screwed around with this. Now you're about to do the same thing, times 50.

If you're too stupid to learn from your own mistakes, please get out of my government. We can't afford you there.

XOXOXO,

Whistleridge

PS: Oh, and Mr. Paul: you will never, ever, ever be President. The sooner you figure that out, the less bitter your declining years will be. Just FYI.
 
2013-10-08 09:33:19 AM  
Rand Paul has a punchable face. I seriously hate my state's voters sometimes.

Okay, all the time.
 
2013-10-08 09:34:23 AM  

LargeCanine: The Federal Gov't is taking in far more than enough revenue to pay the debt service.


Debt service is not 100% of the federal government's financial obligations.
 
2013-10-08 09:35:04 AM  
Dear people on this list,

You are stupid, bad, and you should feel bad. Please go die.

Thanks a bunch,
incendi
 
2013-10-08 09:37:05 AM  

1derful: Okay, this is a case of politicians being full of shiat. When the time comes, they'll vote yes before a default happens, except maybe Rand. You see a default will affect the GDP and by god the corporate swine are going to crack the whip on these guys to ensure that their bottom line isn't affected.


Some people really do believe it. They've given up hope on the government ever getting spending and the debt under control through other means, so they see this as the only resort.

Not saying that they're all that bright or informed, just believers that a self-destructive course will bring about an improvement.
 
2013-10-08 09:39:05 AM  
That's fine... Just take ownership that you are fine with the US defaulting... and don't blame it on Obanana.
 
2013-10-08 09:39:27 AM  
I have the same offer for all these people. When we go over the limit, if it is no big deal you can gloat and torment liberals and use it to beat them over the head and destroy them in the next election. If we go over and it is a disaster that ruins millions of people's lives and livelihoods, then we hang you for treason. Think this offer is too risky? Then stop gambling with my country.
 
2013-10-08 09:39:38 AM  
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2013-10-08 09:39:50 AM  

bsharitt: Of course Rand Paul is one of them. It would fulfill his father's dream of destroying the modern economy and brink back the barter system we had when he was a boy.


No, his father was a smart politician who  talked the game of all that while stuffing every appropriations bill with tons of spending for his district. He'd vote against it, but everyone knew he'd put it in there. I think he was asked about it and replied along the lines of 'what are you going to do about it?'

Ron Paul's whole schtick was a bald face lie.
 
2013-10-08 09:41:29 AM  

QueenMamaBee: Rand Paul has a punchable face. I seriously hate my state's voters sometimes.

Okay, all the time.


As a Nebraskan who read Lee Terry claim he wasn't giving up his salary because of his "nice house," then apologize for that 2 days later after everybody threw a fit (Even though he'll get reelected anyway, thanks, West Omaha), I sympathize.
 
2013-10-08 09:42:06 AM  

verbaltoxin: I just can't understand people who'd be willing to crash the world's largest economy just to stick it to one political party.


You haven't met cranky old white people who are still pissed a black guy beat two of their own so handily at the white man's game.
 
2013-10-08 09:42:15 AM  

dwelling: Help me out here... was Rand Paul named after Ayn Rand?  Jus'sayin.


Yes, actually.
 
2013-10-08 09:42:23 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-10-08 09:42:44 AM  

GhostFish: Some people really do believe it. They've given up hope on the government ever getting spending and the debt under control through other means, so they see this as the only resort.


This is one of my favourite aspects of the GOP.  We've tried everything, literally everything....  (except for increasing taxation...  we like to cut that)... and nothing works.  We just simply have to take the gov't out back and put a bullet in its head.

Seriously, if you can't govern a nation with any sort of fiscal responsibility, maybe it's time to give someone else a try.  Hmmm?  Or at least try a different technique.
 
2013-10-08 09:45:04 AM  

Mercutio74: Wow...  I'm not sure if they're serious or if they're trying to appear as if they don't understand so that the Dems really believe they'll just ignorantly march forward and destroy the US (and a good chunk of the global economy).


A professor of mine used to say that if you wanted to win a game of chicken - this was in terms of nuclear brinkmanship but it works all the same - you had to show the other guy you've throw your steering wheel out the window.

Of course this relied on the other party being both perceptive and rational...
 
2013-10-08 09:45:46 AM  

dwelling: Help me out here... was Rand Paul named after Ayn Rand?  Jus'sayin.



No, his name is Randal Paul. He grew up being called 'Randy' and his wife shortened it to 'Rand'. It's all just a very stupid coincidence.
 
2013-10-08 09:46:39 AM  
We don't need no stinkin government!
//Bootstraps
 
2013-10-08 09:48:01 AM  
These are people who really believe that we shouldn't be dealing with the rest of the world. In any manner. If our great military might could kill everybody who isn't an American (and a few brown folks who are), they'd be fine.
 
2013-10-08 09:48:09 AM  

I wonder if the cost of a massive nationwide constant advertising blitz to educate the mouthbreathing tea party voters how amazingly idiotic this course is would cost more than what would happen if we suffer a default.  We should get the 1% doing those calculations and then spending their money.  One way or another they are going to take it in the shorts over this.


At least I'm already poor as hell.  So it can't get a whole heck of a lot worse.

 
2013-10-08 09:50:14 AM  

Obama's Reptiloid Master: verbaltoxin: I just can't understand people who'd be willing to crash the world's largest economy just to stick it to one political party.

You haven't met cranky old white people who are still pissed a black guy beat two of their own so handily at the white man's game.


I live in the Midwest, I know plenty. I still don't understand them.
 
2013-10-08 09:51:20 AM  
Y'all know this is going to wipe out your 401Ks, right?

// All part of the GOP master plan
 
2013-10-08 09:56:05 AM  
At what point is this considered treason?
 
2013-10-08 09:57:37 AM  

dwelling: Help me out here... was Rand Paul named after Ayn Rand?  Jus'sayin.


Supposedly no, it's just short for Randall, unless they're lying about it.
 
2013-10-08 09:59:48 AM  
The thing about this game of chicken is that it. Doesn't. Work if your opponent (the dems), has an untested but likely fully functional eject seat.

Obama has a way out of it. He's said he won't use it, but he *HAS* to say that-if he says he'll use the 14th, or the trillion dollar coin, or just points out that the laws are conflicting so by previous precedent, he gets to decide how it works, then there's *no pressure* on Boehner to come up with a solution. They can just let Obama fix it, then try to nail him to the wall.

But Obama is a pragmatist at heart (which is, in my mind, where some of his flaws come from). He is not just going to stand there and watch the world economy explode. He *will* take one of the other alternatives if the GOP doesn't get it's shiat together.

And yeah, the Republicans may try to impeach him for it. But if they do, they either
A) Have to end the shutdown first, or
B) Have to try and impeach Obama, and the media circus that entails... DURING A GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN.

You think the shutdown is farking with their approval now? Imagine how most of America (other than the 28%ers) would react to THAT.
 
2013-10-08 10:00:56 AM  

1derful: the corporate swine are going to crack the whip on these guys to ensure that their bottom line isn't affected.


Any effect on the corporate bottom line will be little more than a bump in the road to the rich.

It's those in the middle-class that will lose most.  Those who survived the rape of 2008 and are still teetering on the edge financially.  They will bear the brunt of this default.
 
2013-10-08 10:01:16 AM  
If defaulting on the debt was a big deal, Obama and the rest of the senate Democrats in 2006 wouldn't have voted to do just that.
 
2013-10-08 10:06:05 AM  

qorkfiend: LargeCanine: The Federal Gov't is taking in far more than enough revenue to pay the debt service.

Debt service is not 100% of the federal government's financial obligations.


Exactly, we could pay off our debts and just not pay other things.  We wouldn't be defaulting on our debts, we would just be forcing austerity on ourselves, most likely in a haphazard way.  Which is what pretty much all of them said, we would pay our debts and interest payments first, and then just not pay for various government functions.
 
2013-10-08 10:06:31 AM  

Noam Chimpsky: If defaulting on the debt was a big deal, Obama and the rest of the senate Democrats in 2006 wouldn't have voted to do just that.


And if lying through your teeth to strangers day in and day out was a big deal or a sign of mental illness, you wouldn't be here on fark.
 
2013-10-08 10:06:51 AM  

inapcache.boston.com"We're gonna win this thing."--Rand Paul

 
2013-10-08 10:08:23 AM  
Hey, remember 2011 when S&P downgraded the US governments credit rating? It wasn't because of a default, they specifically cited a lack if confidence in te budgeting process exactly because of this kind of brinksmanship.

All these idiots do is create a sideshow that accomplishes nothing to meet their aims while hurting our credibility in the process.

They should be ashamed to hold office. In private industry they'd be fired.
 
2013-10-08 10:08:27 AM  

dehehn: qorkfiend: LargeCanine: The Federal Gov't is taking in far more than enough revenue to pay the debt service.

Debt service is not 100% of the federal government's financial obligations.

Exactly, we could pay off our debts and just not pay other things.  We wouldn't be defaulting on our debts, we would just be forcing austerity on ourselves, most likely in a haphazard way.  Which is what pretty much all of them said, we would pay our debts and interest payments first, and then just not pay for various government functions.


Except we can't do that, either. There is no statutory authority to prioritize payments of one type (i.e. debt service) over payments of another type (say, SS/Medicare). The only legal option is make all payments, or make no payments.
 
2013-10-08 10:10:50 AM  

LargeCanine: The Federal Gov't is taking in far more than enough revenue to pay the debt service.


Well then I guess we dont need to endanger the credit rating of the US by defaulting on it then.
 
2013-10-08 10:14:48 AM  

dehehn: qorkfiend: LargeCanine: The Federal Gov't is taking in far more than enough revenue to pay the debt service.

Debt service is not 100% of the federal government's financial obligations.

Exactly, we could pay off our debts and just not pay other things.  We wouldn't be defaulting on our debts, we would just be forcing austerity on ourselves, most likely in a haphazard way.  Which is what pretty much all of them said, we would pay our debts and interest payments first, and then just not pay for various government functions.


So... you don't want to pay for what exactly? Who do you want to stiff? You think it's ok to order work but not pay for it? Im not following you here.
 
2013-10-08 10:19:56 AM  

GhostFish: Noam Chimpsky: If defaulting on the debt was a big deal, Obama and the rest of the senate Democrats in 2006 wouldn't have voted to do just that.

And if lying through your teeth to strangers day in and day out was a big deal or a sign of mental illness, you wouldn't be here on fark.


Are you saying Obama didn't vote to default on the debt in 2006?
 
2013-10-08 10:21:44 AM  

Noam Chimpsky: If defaulting on the debt was a big deal, Obama and the rest of the senate Democrats in 2006 wouldn't have voted to do just that.


You mean when the Senate raised the debt ceiling?  Personally, I don't hold it against politicians for making politically expedient votes when their vote doesn't change the outcome.  The difference is in this case instead of Boehner bringing it up and letting 200+Rs vote against it (while 200 Ds and 20 or so Rs pass it), he instead refuses to bring it to a vote.  If then Sen. Obama's vote was the deciding vote between default or not, you bet your ass he'd vote for raising the ceiling because he's not a complete moron.

BTW, I forget, how much drama was there around the debt ceiling vote when it was R controlled House, Senate, and Presidency?  Oh right, none.  It passed immediately.

\TLDR - Get sick without insurance.
 
2013-10-08 10:22:55 AM  

dehehn: qorkfiend: LargeCanine: The Federal Gov't is taking in far more than enough revenue to pay the debt service.

Debt service is not 100% of the federal government's financial obligations.

Exactly, we could pay off our debts and just not pay other things.  We wouldn't be defaulting on our debts, we would just be forcing austerity on ourselves, most likely in a haphazard way.  Which is what pretty much all of them said, we would pay our debts and interest payments first, and then just not pay for various government functions.


Now, why would you want to go and ruin a perfectly good outrage thread with pesky little facts?
 
2013-10-08 10:24:43 AM  
This shutdown isn't about Obamacare. This is a political science experiment in which mad scientists can test their hypothesis.
 
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