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(WLBZ2 Bangor)   That leaf blower you use to clear your yard for a half hour causes more pollution than a Ford 150 Raptor full size pickup...driving from Texas to Alaska   (wlbz2.com) divider line 119
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NFA [TotalFark]
2013-10-08 05:26:30 AM  
Complete bullshiat
 
2013-10-08 09:23:51 AM  

NFA: Complete bullshiat


I'm interesting in your (or anyone else) take on it.  Seriously.

Here's the Edmunds link:

http://www.edmunds.com/about/press/leaf-blowers-emissions-dirtier-th an -high-performance-pick-up-trucks-says-edmunds-insidelinecom.html

I actually own a Troybilt 4-stroke modular edger (very similar to the Ryobi...who now owns Troybilt).


/Not subby
 
2013-10-08 09:35:57 AM  
First, they came for your cigarettes, but I didn't smoke, but I'll cut a biatch when they come after my weed eater and leaf blower.
 
2013-10-08 09:46:54 AM  
There has got to be a way to make those things cleaner and quieter.  With every homeowner having one or two of these things these days something has to be done.
 
2013-10-08 09:49:37 AM  

NFA: Complete bullshiat


Did you even read TFA?

For its comparison, Edmunds used a gas powered, 2-stroke leaf blower which are still the best selling leaf blowers in the country.

Two stroke engines, especially very simple small ones like those used in leaf blowers or trimmers, are very "dirty".  The combustion is less likely to be as complete, there are *ZERO* emissions controls, and you have to mix oil in with the gas in order to lubricate them, and that goes right out the exhaust.

A truck, on the other hand, has to conform to federal and state vehicle emissions standards.  There is a reason why you can't buy a car powered by a 2 stroke engine anymore, despite their advantage of low weight vs. available horsepower:  There is just no way to make them meet the required emissions levels.

/Dad owned a 2 stroke-powered Saab 93 before I was born.
 
2013-10-08 09:53:13 AM  

Tom_Slick: There has got to be a way to make those things cleaner and quieter.  With every homeowner having one or two of these things these days something has to be done.


You can use electric ones.  I have both an electric leaf blower, and an electric trimmer/weed whacker.  Of course. I only really ever use them in the front yard for the most part*, and that means that a relatively short outdoor extension cord works just fine.  If you have a 3 acre manicured lawn, well, your mileage may vary.


*Kids play in the backyard, so I'm not so fussy about how it appears.
 
2013-10-08 09:58:22 AM  

dittybopper: Tom_Slick: There has got to be a way to make those things cleaner and quieter.  With every homeowner having one or two of these things these days something has to be done.

You can use electric ones.  I have both an electric leaf blower, and an electric trimmer/weed whacker.  Of course. I only really ever use them in the front yard for the most part*, and that means that a relatively short outdoor extension cord works just fine.  If you have a 3 acre manicured lawn, well, your mileage may vary.


*Kids play in the backyard, so I'm not so fussy about how it appears.


I agree, but the commercial landscapers will use gas, and on my street they seem to be out every day Monday-Friday.  The exhaust smell and noise is overwhelming.
 
2013-10-08 10:10:04 AM  
What if you use a leaf blower to supercharge your F-150?


carphotos.cardomain.com

/hotter than that engine
 
2013-10-08 10:10:06 AM  
I tried using mid/upper lever electric trimmers and edgers that were about $200 and damn they were annoying. The lack of power just killed it for me so I switched back to gas powered. That was about 2 years so maybe things have improved.
 
2013-10-08 10:10:34 AM  

Tom_Slick: the commercial landscapers will use gas, and on my street they seem to be out every day Monday-Friday.


One of them needs to compete to get the whole street. One crew should be able to do the whole street in one day or less.
 
2013-10-08 10:14:03 AM  

dittybopper: A truck, on the other hand, has to conform to federal and state vehicle emissions standards. There is a reason why you can't buy a car powered by a 2 stroke engine anymore, despite their advantage of low weight vs. available horsepower: There is just no way to make them meet the required emissions levels.


That's the rub, really.  VOCs, hydrocarbons, smog agents, and noise just pour out of an effectively open header on small engines.  For once this isn't a conversation about greenhouse gas, but of old-school, "LA in the 70s" pollution.  And those things (and yes I have an Echo string trimmer) are very, very dirty.
 
2013-10-08 10:16:07 AM  
www.alicesupplyco.com

images.beatsons.co.uk

Or you can make your own rake

http://www.motherearthnews.com/diy/hay-rake-zmaz79mjzraw.aspx

Nothing sounds nicer than the sound of a well-operated broom sweeping off a sidewalk...I guess it's like the sound of an IBM spring-loaded keyboard...just fading away from our experience...
 
2013-10-08 10:16:53 AM  

dittybopper: You can use electric ones.  I have both an electric leaf blower, and an electric trimmer/weed whacker.  Of course. I only really ever use them in the front yard for the most part*, and that means that a relatively short outdoor extension cord works just fine.  If you have a 3 acre manicured lawn, well, your mileage may vary.


I'm hoping that battery-powered rechargable ones get good enough to replace gas-powered tools in the next few years. My SO has a large property, and there is only so much you can do with an electric blower and a bundle of extension cords (wire resistance becomes an issue after a certain length). Gas-powered equipment (string trimmers, edgers, saws, and so forth) are really the only feasible option at this point.
 
2013-10-08 10:19:01 AM  

TheShavingofOccam123: [www.alicesupplyco.com image 300x300]

[images.beatsons.co.uk image 850x850]

Or you can make your own rake

http://www.motherearthnews.com/diy/hay-rake-zmaz79mjzraw.aspx

Nothing sounds nicer than the sound of a well-operated broom sweeping off a sidewalk...I guess it's like the sound of an IBM spring-loaded keyboard...just fading away from our experience...


Yeah this.  I don't have a huge yard, but I have a ton of mature trees.  It takes less than two hours each weekend, it's decent exercise, and the yard looks great.

That being said, I have a gravel driveway and I think a blower is the only way to get the leaves off of it... any suggestions, otherwise?
 
2013-10-08 10:20:24 AM  
I consider leaf blowers to be pretty pointless anyway.  Leaves and grass clippings fall on your sidewalk, you blow them off, Mother Nature blows them back on along with some new ones for good measure.
 
2013-10-08 10:22:27 AM  

DoomPaul: I tried using mid/upper lever electric trimmers and edgers that were about $200 and damn they were annoying. The lack of power just killed it for me so I switched back to gas powered. That was about 2 years so maybe things have improved.


I use just a cheap Black & Decker cordless string trimmer... and I have a decent sized corner lot. The battery lasts just long enough for me to do both street lines, my fenceline, and around my kids' playset. It handles tall grass, dandelions, choker vines, and things like that. When the battery wears out, I'll replace it with a higher-end electric.

If there's anything an electric string trimmer can't handle (usually thick fast-growing stuff along one fenceline)... I still have a big ol' anvil lopper.

/passionately hates 2-cycle engines
 
2013-10-08 10:23:11 AM  
How about they just mandate 4 stroke engines with some rudimentary emission controls?  I know electrics aren't up to task.  Anyway to get a backpack battery?
 
2013-10-08 10:24:56 AM  
I'm sure burning that pint of gas uncleanly is far worse for the environment than the 150 gallons the F150 would use....
 
2013-10-08 10:25:16 AM  
I can't get behind this.
 
2013-10-08 10:25:30 AM  
Wait, people use blowers to clean their lawn, and not rakes?  Hell, I'm a millenial, and we used rakes for the yard.
 
2013-10-08 10:25:46 AM  

pivazena: TheShavingofOccam123: [www.alicesupplyco.com image 300x300]

[images.beatsons.co.uk image 850x850]

Or you can make your own rake

http://www.motherearthnews.com/diy/hay-rake-zmaz79mjzraw.aspx

Nothing sounds nicer than the sound of a well-operated broom sweeping off a sidewalk...I guess it's like the sound of an IBM spring-loaded keyboard...just fading away from our experience...

Yeah this.  I don't have a huge yard, but I have a ton of mature trees.  It takes less than two hours each weekend, it's decent exercise, and the yard looks great.

That being said, I have a gravel driveway and I think a blower is the only way to get the leaves off of it... any suggestions, otherwise?


Best bet is get it paved, if you live in an area that gets snow it also helps snow removal.  Otherwise look into these things;

www.drivewaysessex.co.uk

 /hot
 
2013-10-08 10:25:51 AM  

NFA: Complete bullshiat


Agreed. Our anti-pollution technology isn't that amazing.

Dallas to Fairbanks 3883 miles at 20 mpg which will eat 194 gallons of fuel vs maybe 0.25 gallons in your weed whacker. There is no way emissions technology is eating all that. If it was that efficient you'd be be getting a lot more than 20 mpg.

We need a Farker who is still current in chemistry to run us some real numbers.
 
2013-10-08 10:36:42 AM  

Tom_Slick: There has got to be a way to make those things cleaner and quieter.  With every homeowner having one or two of these things these days something has to be done.


There is; make the engines four stroke (meaning less power and may not reduce noise without a big muffler) or switch to an electric battery or corded option.

/two strokes have great power
//but they are known to be highly polluting.
 
2013-10-08 10:37:15 AM  

edmo: There is no way emissions technology is eating all that. If it was that efficient you'd be be getting a lot more than 20 mpg.


Can you explain the relationship between the two?
 
2013-10-08 10:39:01 AM  

edmo: We need a Farker who is still current in chemistry to run us some real numbers.


The math is in the story, and it is based on a 299:1, per-minute emission rate for non-methane hydrocarbons.  That yields 8900+ minutes of SVT Raptor driving to produce the same NMHC pollution as 30 minutes with the leaf blower.
 
2013-10-08 10:39:51 AM  
So we need government regulation defining standards and testing leaf blowers to reduce the pollution levels from them.
 
2013-10-08 10:40:13 AM  

wildcardjack: Tom_Slick: the commercial landscapers will use gas, and on my street they seem to be out every day Monday-Friday.

One of them needs to compete to get the whole street. One crew should be able to do the whole street in one day or less.


I agree, most of the homes in my subdivision are owned by retiree's so hiring landscapers is going to happen, I guess we need to find a mobbed up landscaper to run the rest off.
 
2013-10-08 10:40:15 AM  

edmo: NFA: Complete bullshiat

Agreed. Our anti-pollution technology isn't that amazing.

Dallas to Fairbanks 3883 miles at 20 mpg which will eat 194 gallons of fuel vs maybe 0.25 gallons in your weed whacker. There is no way emissions technology is eating all that. If it was that efficient you'd be be getting a lot more than 20 mpg.

We need a Farker who is still current in chemistry to run us some real numbers.


We're not talking about the CO2.  It's everything else: unburned fuel, NOx, and other stuff that are normally handled by the catalytic converter and other emissions-control stuff in modern cars.  Which leaf blowers don't have.
 
2013-10-08 10:40:33 AM  

dittybopper: You can use electric ones. I have both an electric leaf blower, and an electric trimmer/weed whacker. Of course. I only really ever use them in the front yard for the most part*, and that means that a relatively short outdoor extension cord works just fine. If you have a 3 acre manicured lawn, well, your mileage may vary.


Only if your electric is provided by a coal fired plant
 
2013-10-08 10:43:40 AM  
Can we add noise pollution in on this too?  Prime example, my hillbilly neighbor who uses one around 8am every Saturday morning. That's after using his loud lawnmower and weed whacker, of course.
 
2013-10-08 10:47:51 AM  

Broktun: dittybopper: You can use electric ones. I have both an electric leaf blower, and an electric trimmer/weed whacker. Of course. I only really ever use them in the front yard for the most part*, and that means that a relatively short outdoor extension cord works just fine. If you have a 3 acre manicured lawn, well, your mileage may vary.

Only if your electric is provided by a coal fired plant


...which has pollution controls, too.
 
2013-10-08 10:48:18 AM  
Two-cycle engines are filthy, and fully emission-controlled automotive engines operating on the highway do a good job of controlling many emission types. The pickup traveling cross-country will still produce hundreds of times more CO2, but that's not what the article is talking about. (I'm comfortable distinguishing CO2  emissions from unburned-hydrocarbon or particulate pollution.)

The message here isn't that F150s run on rainbows and unicorn farts; it's that two-cycle engines are a filthy nuisance that we really ought to consider phasing out, and that those expensive automotive emission-control systems really are good for something.
 
2013-10-08 10:48:24 AM  

edmo: Our anti-pollution technology isn't that amazing.


Yes, it really is.

Modern vehicle engines are amazingly efficient at burning nearly all of the fuel, thanks to computer controlled fuel-injected engines.  Plus, the oil isn't in the fuel like it is with two strokes, and much of the stuff that comes out of the exhaust ports on the engine block is absorbed in the catalytic converter, and thus doesn't reach the tailpipe.

The larger engine will produce more carbon dioxide,  of course, but for raw amounts of other pollutants reach the atmosphere, the leaf blower is far more dirty.
 
2013-10-08 10:49:50 AM  

gnosis301: Wait, people use blowers to clean their lawn, and not rakes?  Hell, I'm a millenial, and we used rakes for the yard.


I don't use rakes since I have pine-bark islands.  Blowing leaves takes just the leaves; raking takes leaves and pine bark nuggets.  So, I use an electric leaf blower to blow the leaves onto the grass prior to mowing.
 
2013-10-08 10:52:51 AM  
So a lawn mower emit more than a unleaded RV? I use the electric blower to blow dust from computers,but if I had a large yard gas would be much better
 
2013-10-08 10:55:06 AM  
Who knew a broom caused so much pollution? Seriously though, I have a Troybuilt 4 stroke weed eater. Best investment in yard work tools ever. It starts easy and is quiet. No pre-mix, and I can use the chainsaw attachment I had for my old, loud ass 2 stroke to trim the palm tree.
 
2013-10-08 11:00:07 AM  
Holy holy.

/good thing i don't have a gun
 
2013-10-08 11:03:44 AM  
Great! does this mean that everyone can just STFU about vehicle emissions then?
 
2013-10-08 11:05:34 AM  

bearcats1983: Can we add noise pollution in on this too?


Abso-farking-lutely, we can.

It's one of the most annoying sounds in the whole goddamn world. All you fatties out there...grab a mutherfarking rake and do some honest work for once in your miserable lives.

Stop with the Saturday ear-rape, already.
 
2013-10-08 11:09:13 AM  
I've got an electric lawn mower, and I love it. Avoiding the extension cord became second nature pretty quick, and I really don't miss filling a small gas can on a regular basis.
 
2013-10-08 11:10:38 AM  
I'm not surprised by the pollution levels in a leaf blower, but I'm shocked at the number of Farkers who think its necessary to blow leaves somewhere.  Use a rake for the heavy leaf drop in the fall (or spring, when my live oaks drop leaves).  Mother nature should take care of blowing leaves around for you the rest of the year.

/At least you're not using a hose to wash them off your driveway.
 
2013-10-08 11:11:03 AM  

Egoy3k: What if you use a leaf blower to supercharge your F-150?


[carphotos.cardomain.com image 600x421]

/hotter than that engine


Then you're a dick.
 
2013-10-08 11:11:21 AM  
'Murica, Fark Yeah?
 
2013-10-08 11:18:18 AM  
I use a Stihl 4 stroke powerhead (love the Kombisystem)... the KM 90. It uses the 2 stroke oil in the fuel, so it's likely pretty dirty. Still, it's quieter than most 2 stroke engines and seems to give decent power. It sounds like a small VW Bug engine... kinda weird at first.

Still, they've come out with a Li-Ion battery pack powered head... if I were buying new, I'd be getting one of those. It would be great to never worry about having to deal with that fuel/oil mix anymore. I don't think electric mowers are quite to the point where they can replace the gas powered ones for most people, but even those aren't that far off.

I'd love to be done with small engines and just have to worry about the battery packs themselves. It would be easier on maintenance and my hearing.
 
2013-10-08 11:18:41 AM  

nuqneh: I'm not surprised by the pollution levels in a leaf blower, but I'm shocked at the number of Farkers who think its necessary to blow leaves somewhere.  Use a rake for the heavy leaf drop in the fall (or spring, when my live oaks drop leaves).  Mother nature should take care of blowing leaves around for you the rest of the year.

/At least you're not using a hose to wash them off your driveway.


When I was a kid, no one had leaf blowers. Somehow we managed. It was tough. We lost a lot of good people in those towering piles of leaves.
 
2013-10-08 11:21:36 AM  

nuqneh: I'm not surprised by the pollution levels in a leaf blower, but I'm shocked at the number of Farkers who think its necessary to blow leaves somewhere.  Use a rake for the heavy leaf drop in the fall (or spring, when my live oaks drop leaves).  Mother nature should take care of blowing leaves around for you the rest of the year.

/At least you're not using a hose to wash them off your driveway.


Oh yes I am.....right after I use my two stroke weed eater to trim around the sidewalks and fence line...

/have an electric leaf blower that somebody gave me, but I rarely use it
// tried a battery powered weed eater and it just didn't work well with St Augustine grass and the battery life sucked
 
2013-10-08 11:24:29 AM  

JohnAnnArbor: We're not talking about the CO2. It's everything else: unburned fuel, NOx, and other stuff that are normally handled by the catalytic converter and other emissions-control stuff in modern cars. Which leaf blowers don't have.


This.

The "Texas to Alaska" comparison is actually based on hydrocarbon emissions (eg unburnt, or partially burnt, fuel). It comes as absolutely no surprise that a 2-stroke engine is exceedingly bad at this metric:

http://www.edmunds.com/car-reviews/features/emissions-test-car-vs-tr uc k-vs-leaf-blower.html


As for electric leaf blowers, I have an old (corded) Craftsman one that works just fine complete with vacuum attachments. Yard is small enough that if I ever use it an extension cord is not a problem.

Been considering an electric lawn mower, but to be honest I bought this $150 gas mower from a K-mart like 6 years ago and that thing is indestructible... I never winterize it, never changed the oil, cleaned the air filter and check the oil level once a year (never added any oil either). First pull starts it every goddamn time. Made in Canada!
=Smidge=
 
2013-10-08 11:24:46 AM  
Good to know I'm saving the planet by being far too lazy to blow leaves out of my yard.

/you guys know more leaves just fall on your precious grass right?
//and that the leaves eventually decompose or blow away all on their own?
///but hey knock yourself out destroying the earth with your damn polluting leaf blowers
 
2013-10-08 11:25:40 AM  

akula: I use a Stihl 4 stroke powerhead (love the Kombisystem)... the KM 90. It uses the 2 stroke oil in the fuel, so it's likely pretty dirty. Still, it's quieter than most 2 stroke engines and seems to give decent power. It sounds like a small VW Bug engine... kinda weird at first.

Still, they've come out with a Li-Ion battery pack powered head... if I were buying new, I'd be getting one of those. It would be great to never worry about having to deal with that fuel/oil mix anymore. I don't think electric mowers are quite to the point where they can replace the gas powered ones for most people, but even those aren't that far off.

I'd love to be done with small engines and just have to worry about the battery packs themselves. It would be easier on maintenance and my hearing.


My father has the Li-ion and it is quite cool (also has the small chainsaw attachment, very, very nifty to use).
 
2013-10-08 11:26:23 AM  

Smidge204: Been considering an electric lawn mower, but to be honest I bought this $150 gas mower from a K-mart like 6 years ago and that thing is indestructible... I never winterize it, never changed the oil, cleaned the air filter and check the oil level once a year (never added any oil either). First pull starts it every goddamn time. Made in Canada!


Better then mine. I have a $400 Snapper walk behind with some funky Briggs & Stratton engine (they don't make the DOV ones anymore, and I think I know why). It's on its third carburetor in five years. If and when that thing finally craps out I'm likely to just replace it with an electric battery powered one.
 
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