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(Gawker)   Georgia Tech fraternity in trouble after "Luring your Rapebait" email gets leaked, suggests everyone take a sip from this unmarked cup and go dance until they forget it ever happened   (gawker.com) divider line 177
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2013-10-08 12:02:49 AM
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Knows that feeling, bro....
 
2013-10-08 12:05:34 AM
Meh, it wasn't that bad. I didn't even finish.
 
2013-10-08 12:10:30 AM
Bra, that email changed my life bra.
 
2013-10-08 12:10:41 AM
FRATERNITY THREAD!!!
 
2013-10-08 12:11:20 AM
If she starts putting her hair over her ear, THAT MEANS SHE WANTS A KISS.

Yes, everyone listed to this genius. He clearly knows what he's talking about.
 
2013-10-08 12:24:26 AM
Before I went to college, my mother warned me to always buy my own drink, never take one from a guy I just met, and never drink from my cup if I left it unattended.

Good advice in 1987 and 2013, kids
 
2013-10-08 12:29:09 AM
We were too busy studying to write stupid things like that when I was there.

/And by "there", I mean that particular chapter
 
2013-10-08 12:34:18 AM
Ah, it's okay. Boys will be boys, right? Come on, let he who has not raped cast the first stone. It says so, right there in the Bible.

I SAY WE LET HIM GO!

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2013-10-08 12:40:41 AM
This is a million times less rapey than the "Deacon Jones Head Slap" video Adam Carolla found on ESPN. Just that casual "or a woman" makes it sound like Deacon didn't invent sacking on the field, if you know what I mean.
 
2013-10-08 12:52:04 AM

johnnieconnie: Before I went to college, my mother warned me to always buy my own drink, never take one from a guy I just met, and never drink from my cup if I left it unattended.

Good advice in 1987 and 2013, kids


Not bad advice, but to be fair, the e-mail didn't suggest spiking anyone's drink.  It was basically a rather crude set of instructions on reading body language and being forward in initiating a sexual encounter.

It's certainly sleazy, maybe even creepy, but it doesn't propose anything non-consensual so I'd be hesitant to call it rapey.
 
2013-10-08 12:56:47 AM
Fraternities. Bringing out the worst in young manhood for over a century.
 
2013-10-08 12:57:54 AM

TuteTibiImperes: It's certainly sleazy, maybe even creepy, but it doesn't propose anything non-consensual so I'd be hesitant to call it rapey.


I think rapey might be too harsh a term. Let's call it an unsolicited "farking coont poont."

/If you just clicked this link like I told you to, tie yourself down to whatever chair you're sitting in, because this thread is going to be a rough farking ride.
 
2013-10-08 01:00:29 AM

bighairyguy: We were too busy studying to write stupid things like that when I was there.

/And by "there", I mean that particular chapter


You and some other alums should show up and kick some sense into them. I was in a frat that was actually kicked off campus, which is pretty farking difficult to do. It was embarrassing, but I'm glad it happened after I left.
 
2013-10-08 01:17:03 AM

MrBallou: Fraternities. Bringing out the worst in young manhood for over a century.


Pledged a frat my first term at college and I can certainly attest to that. Got out as soon as I realized what assholes most of the members were.
 
2013-10-08 01:23:31 AM

Somacandra: TuteTibiImperes: It's certainly sleazy, maybe even creepy, but it doesn't propose anything non-consensual so I'd be hesitant to call it rapey.

I think rapey might be too harsh a term. Let's call it an unsolicited "farking coont poont."

/If you just clicked this link like I told you to, tie yourself down to whatever chair you're sitting in, because this thread is going to be a rough farking ride.


Hehe, I still chuckle at that.  I admire her chutzpa.  I wonder how embarrassed she'll be about it 5-10 years down the road when all of the college drama seems so insignificant.
 
2013-10-08 01:29:05 AM
I read the entire thing. Other than the 'rapebait' at the end...I'm not really seeing the scandal here?

Am I missing something?
 
2013-10-08 01:30:01 AM

TuteTibiImperes: It's certainly sleazy, maybe even creepy, but it doesn't propose anything non-consensual so I'd be hesitant to call it rapey.


Well except for the implications of waiting for the girl to be drunk or getting her more drunk (the final "GET MORE ALCOHOL" could be taken to mean either for the guy or the girl) so that she's more compliant or less inhibited. Anything that happens then is grounds for a rape accusation, and since this guide is for frat dudebros telling them what to do to get some, if something happens, there's a reasonable chance it could be used against them. Granted, IANAL.
 
2013-10-08 01:30:03 AM
Ladies and gentlemen, I'll be brief. The issue here is not whether we broke a few rules, or took a few liberties with our female party guests - we did.

But you can't hold a whole fraternity responsible for the behavior of a few, sick twisted individuals. For if you do, then shouldn't we blame the whole fraternity system? And if the whole fraternity system is guilty, then isn't this an indictment of our educational institutions in general? I put it to you, Farkers - isn't this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can do whatever you want to us, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America. Gentlemen!
 
2013-10-08 01:32:06 AM

mamoru: TuteTibiImperes: It's certainly sleazy, maybe even creepy, but it doesn't propose anything non-consensual so I'd be hesitant to call it rapey.

Well except for the implications of waiting for the girl to be drunk or getting her more drunk (the final "GET MORE ALCOHOL" could be taken to mean either for the guy or the girl) so that she's more compliant or less inhibited. Anything that happens then is grounds for a rape accusation, and since this guide is for frat dudebros telling them what to do to get some, if something happens, there's a reasonable chance it could be used against them. Granted, IANAL.


Fair enough.  Trying to get somebody wasted for the pure intent of getting them into bed is likely crossing the line.  At the same time, the general college party atmosphere has always been 'everyone gets drunk and then stuff happens'.
 
2013-10-08 01:36:34 AM

TuteTibiImperes: Fair enough.  Trying to get somebody wasted for the pure intent of getting them into bed is likely crossing the line.  At the same time, the general college party atmosphere has always been 'everyone gets drunk and then stuff happens'.


This is just me, but I'm pretty sure intentionally getting someone drunk to the point of inability to give informed consent, to have sex with them, is crossing the line.
 
2013-10-08 01:37:38 AM

TuteTibiImperes: mamoru: TuteTibiImperes: It's certainly sleazy, maybe even creepy, but it doesn't propose anything non-consensual so I'd be hesitant to call it rapey.

Well except for the implications of waiting for the girl to be drunk or getting her more drunk (the final "GET MORE ALCOHOL" could be taken to mean either for the guy or the girl) so that she's more compliant or less inhibited. Anything that happens then is grounds for a rape accusation, and since this guide is for frat dudebros telling them what to do to get some, if something happens, there's a reasonable chance it could be used against them. Granted, IANAL.

Fair enough.  Trying to get somebody wasted for the pure intent of getting them into bed is likely crossing the line.  At the same time, the general college party atmosphere has always been 'everyone gets drunk and then stuff happens'.


And isn't that the definition of rape culture?
 
2013-10-08 01:38:13 AM
Rho Alpha Pi Epsilon has really fallen on hard times.
 
2013-10-08 01:38:17 AM

that bosnian sniper: TuteTibiImperes: Fair enough.  Trying to get somebody wasted for the pure intent of getting them into bed is likely crossing the line.  At the same time, the general college party atmosphere has always been 'everyone gets drunk and then stuff happens'.

This is just me, but I'm pretty sure intentionally getting someone drunk to the point of inability to give informed consent, to have sex with them, is crossing the line.


That's what I said.
 
2013-10-08 01:38:39 AM

TuteTibiImperes: mamoru: TuteTibiImperes: It's certainly sleazy, maybe even creepy, but it doesn't propose anything non-consensual so I'd be hesitant to call it rapey.

Well except for the implications of waiting for the girl to be drunk or getting her more drunk (the final "GET MORE ALCOHOL" could be taken to mean either for the guy or the girl) so that she's more compliant or less inhibited. Anything that happens then is grounds for a rape accusation, and since this guide is for frat dudebros telling them what to do to get some, if something happens, there's a reasonable chance it could be used against them. Granted, IANAL.

Fair enough.  Trying to get somebody wasted for the pure intent of getting them into bed is likely crossing the line.  At the same time, the general college party atmosphere has always been 'everyone gets drunk and then stuff happens'.


Not a misogynist, but she probably had some idea what would transpire when she started drinking, too.
 
2013-10-08 01:38:40 AM

TuteTibiImperes: It's certainly sleazy, maybe even creepy, but it doesn't propose anything non-consensual so I'd be hesitant to call it rapey.


"ALWAYS START WITH THE MAKING OUT!!!! NO RAPING" being put together like that does kinda imply that (he believes) that as long as there's making out nothing that follows could possibly be rape.
 
2013-10-08 01:40:46 AM

Mentat: Bra, that email changed my life bra.


My life bra has underwires. >.o
 
2013-10-08 01:42:18 AM
/takes notes
 
2013-10-08 01:42:38 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-10-08 01:42:50 AM
Other than the title of "luring rapebait" I didn't really see much wrong with what was written. Guys have been using that same approach at nightclubs and parties forever.
 
2013-10-08 01:43:26 AM

haolegirl: TuteTibiImperes: mamoru: TuteTibiImperes: It's certainly sleazy, maybe even creepy, but it doesn't propose anything non-consensual so I'd be hesitant to call it rapey.

Well except for the implications of waiting for the girl to be drunk or getting her more drunk (the final "GET MORE ALCOHOL" could be taken to mean either for the guy or the girl) so that she's more compliant or less inhibited. Anything that happens then is grounds for a rape accusation, and since this guide is for frat dudebros telling them what to do to get some, if something happens, there's a reasonable chance it could be used against them. Granted, IANAL.

Fair enough.  Trying to get somebody wasted for the pure intent of getting them into bed is likely crossing the line.  At the same time, the general college party atmosphere has always been 'everyone gets drunk and then stuff happens'.

And isn't that the definition of rape culture?


Not if it's the mutual goal of both the women and men involved.  I don't buy into the idea that drunk sex = rape.  Having sex with someone who is near passed out drooling is rape.  Hooking up with someone when you've both been drinking at a party or bar where you both realized that such an activity was, if not the goal of the evening, at least entirely possible, isn't rape.

There's certainly a gray area in between, and intent and level of inebriation probably effect where that line is drawn.  Lowered inhibitions from being buzzed don't mean a lack of consent for either party, but blackout drunk don't-remember-what-happened-the-next-day levels of intoxication would.
 
2013-10-08 01:43:33 AM
I can't find anything rapey in it.

I see behaviors that I think some women would interpret as confidence that "the passive aggressive nice guy" doesn't show.

I see advice to occasionally touch parts of her body but not sensual spots, and I've seen similar advice through the ages to be used to determine if "she is into you".

He doesn't suggest men grind against women, he suggests allowing the women to grind against the men. Clearly, that would indicate consensual agreement.

I never see any advice to ignore "no", and I assume the women are rational capable adults who can say no.

If this advice had been written to a "slut" in order to pick up guys, including the part of throwing them out after sex, I think Jezebel and the other sites would be cheering this transgressive advice on with a huge you go girl.

Apart from the subject of the email there is nothing to associate the advice with rape.
 
2013-10-08 01:45:48 AM
Top shelf something something...I forget what...
 
2013-10-08 01:49:46 AM
If it's mutual (and it certainly can be, I'm not trying to imply it can't be) that's fine...I was just pointing out that "Get moar alcohol" and "consensual" might not fit together, and if there is a gray area err on the side of being a gentleman, not topping off her drink in hopes of. It could keep you out of a courtroom (if your only interest is cya, this approach works too)
 
2013-10-08 01:50:23 AM
These guys are sleazy, but not advocating rape, or even date rape really. They're advocating standard college hook-up shenanigans. They're being aggressive and misogynistic about it (not to mention potentially homophobic if there are any gay guys in the frat), but not rapey.
 
2013-10-08 01:51:24 AM

TheShavingofOccam123: Top shelf something something...I forget what...


If I drunkenly reply to your drunken post, is it rape?

/doubles ... Something... Huh?
 
2013-10-08 01:52:38 AM

that bosnian sniper: TuteTibiImperes: Fair enough.  Trying to get somebody wasted for the pure intent of getting them into bed is likely crossing the line.  At the same time, the general college party atmosphere has always been 'everyone gets drunk and then stuff happens'.

This is just me, but I'm pretty sure intentionally getting someone drunk to the point of inability to give informed consent, to have sex with them, is crossing the line.


This.
 
2013-10-08 01:53:53 AM
I'm sorry but I thought the word "rape" has lost all specialized meaning and had become like "cool" or "bad" meaning whatever one wants it to mean in the context.

I read "rapebait" as "girl I would be lucky to kiss" (given that it is a frat we are talking about.)
 
2013-10-08 01:55:07 AM
Lots of folks here that advise that kids are mature enough to have lots of sex in high school, that parents should let their kids have sex in the home while the parents are there, in high school.

There was a thread earlier today that a sixteen year old is old enough to have an abortion.  We think girls should have abortion bills available, and everyone in high school should have free birth control, and emergency birth control, and even that girls should be able to have abortions without telling parental knowledge.

I read lots of stuff about kids smoking dope throughout high school.

We know that kids can drive at 16, vote at 18, and join the army at 17.

We are appalled that Kaitlyn Hunt at 19 is treated like a rapist wrt a 14 year old girl.

We see Jezebel, XOJane, Salon, Slate, cheer girls on who booze it up and party it up.

We see studies that show women want sex as much or more than men do. And that women enter into puberty 2 years earlier than men do. And that women reach mental maturity six months before men do.

But as soon as a glass of alcohol is involved, oh my gosh, we find girls are frail silly immature and weak and cannot handle their alcohol and have to rely on men to take care of the girls from making a bad decision.

Yeah, I don't get that and think it's politically correct feminist bullshiat.
 
2013-10-08 01:57:15 AM
Too long. The author should have just condensed it down to a simple flow chart or checklist.

/married
//information is no longer applicable (to me)
 
2013-10-08 01:57:57 AM

TuteTibiImperes: .

There's certainly a gray area in between, and intent and level of inebriation probably effect where that line is drawn.  Lowered inhibitions from being buzzed don't mean a lack of consent for either party, but blackout drunk don't-remember-what-happened-the-next-day levels of intoxication would.


There is no grey area in my state. If she can't consent she can't consent and she is no different from a child in that regard. Who determines whether a person is too inebriated to give consent is (1) the prosecutor and (2) the jury.  If she has had a drink and you fark her better have a good attorney.
 
2013-10-08 01:58:54 AM

mamoru: TuteTibiImperes: It's certainly sleazy, maybe even creepy, but it doesn't propose anything non-consensual so I'd be hesitant to call it rapey.

Well except for the implications of waiting for the girl to be drunk or getting her more drunk (the final "GET MORE ALCOHOL" could be taken to mean either for the guy or the girl) so that she's more compliant or less inhibited. Anything that happens then is grounds for a rape accusation, and since this guide is for frat dudebros telling them what to do to get some, if something happens, there's a reasonable chance it could be used against them.

Granted, IANAL.


Just get more booze, then sheANAL.
 
2013-10-08 01:59:50 AM
Self help guide for geek guys, what the problem ?

/ Pickup for dummy's
/
 
2013-10-08 02:01:17 AM

worlddan: I'm sorry but I thought the word "rape" has lost all specialized meaning


Rape is a broad, blanket category of sex crimes (the ones involving actual sexual contact) that covers specific crimes ranging from misdemeanor stuff that'll get you some community service and a fine or even just a civil judgement all the way up to violent felonies that'll get you put away for life.

The word doesn't really imply anything more specific than "theft", it's a general category that has nothing to do with the severity of the crime.  There's rape that's not a big deal beyond showing poor judgement in the same way there's subsets of theft that aren't exactly robbing a bank with automatic weapons and bombs.
 
2013-10-08 02:03:09 AM
About the same as early 80s at Tech. Only difference we had Quaaludes at Theta Chi Alpha Nu chapter. shiat as cash
 
2013-10-08 02:04:13 AM
So what? I bet even the ladies have their own version...

1. When he starts trying to feel you up, pretend that you're too drunk.
2. Have sex, but still pretend you're too drunk.
3. After getting some sexual satisfaction, leave the guy alone in your normal sober state.
4. In the end, the guy thinks he got the better of you, when in fact, you just tricked him using your drunk acting. You won't be tagged as slutty, and if things go bad, you can always say you were too drunk to consent to anything.
 
2013-10-08 02:05:11 AM

worlddan: TuteTibiImperes: .

There's certainly a gray area in between, and intent and level of inebriation probably effect where that line is drawn.  Lowered inhibitions from being buzzed don't mean a lack of consent for either party, but blackout drunk don't-remember-what-happened-the-next-day levels of intoxication would.

There is no grey area in my state. If she can't consent she can't consent and she is no different from a child in that regard. Who determines whether a person is too inebriated to give consent is (1) the prosecutor and (2) the jury.  If she has had a drink and you fark her better have a good attorney.


Laws like that are why California is horrible.

An actress was just interviewed the other day, and in 35 years, she's never not been raped according to the law.
 
2013-10-08 02:06:03 AM

TuteTibiImperes: mamoru: TuteTibiImperes: It's certainly sleazy, maybe even creepy, but it doesn't propose anything non-consensual so I'd be hesitant to call it rapey.

Well except for the implications of waiting for the girl to be drunk or getting her more drunk (the final "GET MORE ALCOHOL" could be taken to mean either for the guy or the girl) so that she's more compliant or less inhibited. Anything that happens then is grounds for a rape accusation, and since this guide is for frat dudebros telling them what to do to get some, if something happens, there's a reasonable chance it could be used against them. Granted, IANAL.

Fair enough.  Trying to get somebody wasted for the pure intent of getting them into bed is likely crossing the line.  At the same time, the general college party atmosphere has always been 'everyone gets drunk and then stuff happens'.


Here in Arizona, impaired makes you automatically incapable of consenting (5.b.).
 
2013-10-08 02:06:29 AM

Jim_Callahan: worlddan: I'm sorry but I thought the word "rape" has lost all specialized meaning

Rape is a broad, blanket category of sex crimes (the ones involving actual sexual contact)


You missed my point. Many people don't even use rape to refer to a crime anymore. Gamers use it all the time as a synonym for "beat" ("I'm gonna rape you" rather than "I'm going to defeat you".) And I've heard young people use it in a similar fashion, "She so rapey" instead of "she's so good looking." So I do not think they were using "rapebait" in any technical legal sense; they meant it more along the lines of "hot girl."
 
2013-10-08 02:09:52 AM

demaL-demaL-yeH: Here in Arizona, impaired makes you automatically incapable of consenting (5.b.).


What if I was inebriated and she was sober but I was the one making the moves and she consented? If by law I was unable to consent because O was impaired even though I was the instigator would she be charged?
 
2013-10-08 02:10:49 AM
Why is this on the Politics Tab? There's nothing religious about it.
 
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