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2013-10-07 04:43:08 PM  
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2013-10-07 04:50:44 PM  
This guy should not have been arrested, and this whole fiasco just goes to show how capricious and flaky the law enforcement community is when it comes to technology.

"And while this won't appear anywhere in the criminal charges against Ulbricht, the court of computer-programmer opinion may duly note that he asked two questions on the site, but didn't take the trouble to answer anyone else's."

Hanging's too good for him.
 
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2013-10-07 05:10:03 PM  

PainInTheASP: This guy should not have been arrested, and this whole fiasco just goes to show how capricious and flaky the law enforcement community is when it comes to technology.


You didn't read the article did you?  The question is just how they figured out the guys real name and tied it to the alias.  He was arrested for dealing drugs.
 
2013-10-07 05:29:13 PM  

PainInTheASP: "And while this won't appear anywhere in the criminal charges against Ulbricht, the court of computer-programmer opinion may duly note that he asked two questions on the site, but didn't take the trouble to answer anyone else's."

Hanging's too good for him.


I bet they were commonly asked questions too with like a dozen threads about them if he'd just use the search option to find them.  String him up with power cables and break out the cat-five-o-tails.
 
2013-10-07 05:46:47 PM  
 
2013-10-07 05:48:12 PM  
TFA very similar to the computer code described in Ulbricht's posting on Stack Overflow, and includes several lines of code that are identical to lines of code quoted in the posting.

To be fair, I bet there are tons of programs which include lines that are identical with something on Stack Overflow.
Try googleing a programming related question without getting several links to Stack Overflow in the results.
 
2013-10-07 06:23:43 PM  
and how long did it take lou to find him?
 
2013-10-07 06:54:27 PM  

The Voice of Doom: TFA very similar to the computer code described in Ulbricht's posting on Stack Overflow, and includes several lines of code that are identical to lines of code quoted in the posting.

To be fair, I bet there are tons of programs which include lines that are identical with something on Stack Overflow.
Try googleing a programming related question without getting several links to Stack Overflow in the results.


Tons of programs that are about linking in to Tor?

And when you inspect the site, the encryption key uses the user name the question was posted under?

Mmmm hmmm.
 
2013-10-07 07:04:49 PM  
How long did this site operate....years right? Christ he might as well have painted "Drug Dealer" in the roof of his house.
 
2013-10-07 07:06:27 PM  

jayhawk88: How long did this site operate....years right? Christ he might as well have painted "Drug Dealer" in the roof of his house.


To be fair, the FBI was probably still trolling Slashdot over Stackexchange until sometime last year.
 
2013-10-07 07:30:55 PM  
My favorite part about this guy is how he was all for peace and libertarianism, while hiring two hitmen and working out a public library. The fact that he completely failed to hide his identity is just icing on the cake.
 
2013-10-07 07:31:40 PM  

PainInTheASP: This guy should not have been arrested, and this whole fiasco just goes to show how capricious and flaky the law enforcement community is when it comes to technology.

"And while this won't appear anywhere in the criminal charges against Ulbricht, the court of computer-programmer opinion may duly note that he asked two questions on the site, but didn't take the trouble to answer anyone else's."

Hanging's too good for him.


LMAO
 
2013-10-07 07:47:47 PM  
Based on forensic analysis of the Silk Road Web Server, I know that the computer code ... includes a customized PHP strip based on 'curl' that is functionally very similar to the computer code described in Ulbricht's posting on Stack Overflow, and includes several lines of code that are identical to lines of code quoted in the posting.

I think we've found our new, "this looks shopped".

/ I can tell from the 'strips'.
 
2013-10-07 07:57:58 PM  

jjorsett: Based on forensic analysis of the Silk Road Web Server, I know that the computer code ... includes a customized PHP strip based on 'curl' that is functionally very similar to the computer code described in Ulbricht's posting on Stack Overflow, and includes several lines of code that are identical to lines of code quoted in the posting.

I think we've found our new, "this looks shopped".

/ I can tell from the 'strips'.


So basically, they looked for the excess white-space indicating someone copy-pasted out of a browser?

Hell, I do that for code-reviews.
 
2013-10-07 08:13:56 PM  

netweavr: jjorsett: Based on forensic analysis of the Silk Road Web Server, I know that the computer code ... includes a customized PHP strip based on 'curl' that is functionally very similar to the computer code described in Ulbricht's posting on Stack Overflow, and includes several lines of code that are identical to lines of code quoted in the posting.

I think we've found our new, "this looks shopped".

/ I can tell from the 'strips'.

So basically, they looked for the excess white-space indicating someone copy-pasted out of a browser?

Hell, I do that for code-reviews.


I've also seen chunks of code on Stack Overflow  appear in multiple postings, since there's no point in reinventing something that already exists and is known to work. If I were his defense lawyer looking to undermine the case, I'd look around to see if the same code is used in places other than the "incriminating" one. (I doubt that it would do much good since the feds probably have a ton of other stuff on him, but every little bit helps I suppose.)
 
2013-10-07 08:15:08 PM  

jjorsett: netweavr: jjorsett: Based on forensic analysis of the Silk Road Web Server, I know that the computer code ... includes a customized PHP strip based on 'curl' that is functionally very similar to the computer code described in Ulbricht's posting on Stack Overflow, and includes several lines of code that are identical to lines of code quoted in the posting.

I think we've found our new, "this looks shopped".

/ I can tell from the 'strips'.

So basically, they looked for the excess white-space indicating someone copy-pasted out of a browser?

Hell, I do that for code-reviews.

I've also seen chunks of code on Stack Overflow  appear in multiple postings, since there's no point in reinventing something that already exists and is known to work. If I were his defense lawyer looking to undermine the case, I'd look around to see if the same code is used in places other than the "incriminating" one. (I doubt that it would do much good since the feds probably have a ton of other stuff on him, but every little bit helps I suppose.)


http://xkcd.com/1185/
 
2013-10-07 08:27:25 PM  

BumpInTheNight: PainInTheASP: "And while this won't appear anywhere in the criminal charges against Ulbricht, the court of computer-programmer opinion may duly note that he asked two questions on the site, but didn't take the trouble to answer anyone else's."

Hanging's too good for him.

I bet they were commonly asked questions too with like a dozen threads about them if he'd just use the search option to find them.  String him up with power cables and break out the cat-five-o-tails.


He also started a thread where he asked a question, and then posted "resolved!" without telling how it was fixed.
 
2013-10-07 08:29:51 PM  
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2013-10-07 10:40:31 PM  

jayhawk88: How long did this site operate....years right? Christ he might as well have painted "Drug Dealer" in the roof of his house.




Supposedly, he was not the one that created Silk Road, but purchased it from the creator. There is a lot more to this story. Especially, how they were tipped off to his identity. I don't buy the current FBI/DEA story.
 
2013-10-08 07:06:34 AM  
Submitter, are you running an underground site dealing with illegal goods?

If not, then you can't give pro-tips.
 
2013-10-08 08:20:46 AM  

HempHead: jayhawk88: How long did this site operate....years right? Christ he might as well have painted "Drug Dealer" in the roof of his house.

Supposedly, he was not the one that created Silk Road, but purchased it from the creator. There is a lot more to this story. Especially, how they were tipped off to his identity. I don't buy the current FBI/DEA story.


I'm sure there was no warrantless monitoring involved.  Nope, not at all.

He used his real name and that's how they found him.
 
2013-10-08 09:28:01 AM  

Gonz: BumpInTheNight: PainInTheASP: "And while this won't appear anywhere in the criminal charges against Ulbricht, the court of computer-programmer opinion may duly note that he asked two questions on the site, but didn't take the trouble to answer anyone else's."

Hanging's too good for him.

I bet they were commonly asked questions too with like a dozen threads about them if he'd just use the search option to find them.  String him up with power cables and break out the cat-five-o-tails.

He also started a thread where he asked a question, and then posted "resolved!" without telling how it was fixed.


Burning is too good for him! He should be torn into little pieces and buried alive!
 
2013-10-08 09:39:51 AM  

MugzyBrown: HempHead: jayhawk88: How long did this site operate....years right? Christ he might as well have painted "Drug Dealer" in the roof of his house.

Supposedly, he was not the one that created Silk Road, but purchased it from the creator. There is a lot more to this story. Especially, how they were tipped off to his identity. I don't buy the current FBI/DEA story.

I'm sure there was no warrantless monitoring involved.  Nope, not at all.

He used his real name and that's how they found him.




I know that's what they said, but why did they fixate on one post done years ago? What brought that to their attention out of all the ranting on the entire internet? I think they are backtracking to a plausible story and really did break TOR.
 
2013-10-08 11:49:14 AM  

HempHead: MugzyBrown: HempHead: jayhawk88: How long did this site operate....years right? Christ he might as well have painted "Drug Dealer" in the roof of his house.

Supposedly, he was not the one that created Silk Road, but purchased it from the creator. There is a lot more to this story. Especially, how they were tipped off to his identity. I don't buy the current FBI/DEA story.

I'm sure there was no warrantless monitoring involved.  Nope, not at all.

He used his real name and that's how they found him.

I know that's what they said, but why did they fixate on one post done years ago? What brought that to their attention out of all the ranting on the entire internet? I think they are backtracking to a plausible story and really did break TOR.


IIRC, TOR was made by the navy... there's probably some way that doesn't involve breaking it.  just a nicely worded letter to the navy with the right signature(s).

/ however, i don't know how stuff works.  i'm just a suspicious lawyer.
// this hoopla is trying to say how they got the info that doesn't reveal TOR is not what it's supposed to be.  again, IIRC, one of the reasons for TOR was so that innocent folk in restricted societies can access information, which will hopefully lead to overturning restrictive regimes.  it would ruin its good purpose if everyone knew the US had the key.
 
2013-10-08 09:22:16 PM  

pute kisses like a man: there's probably some way that doesn't involve breaking it.


It'd be relatively easy for them to just operate and/or monitor exit nodes.
 
2013-10-09 12:23:33 AM  
Umm, subby, while the question could raise some eyebrows, there is nothing inherently illegal about it.
 
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