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(Slate)   Nebraska rules 16-year-old girl too immature to get abortion, plenty mature to raise a child   (slate.com) divider line 58
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2013-10-07 09:28:29 PM  
8 votes:
To all the slut shamers in this forum- and there are quite a few- take note of the total situation here. The girl first asked for the abortion at a hearing to terminate her parents' rights. In other words, this girl grew up in a very abusive household, one that she only recently was able to get away from. Girls in those sorts of situations generally are very high risk for getting pregnant. First, it's unlikely that she got anything in the way of real, reasonable sex education. Second, she was probably (even if subconsciously) looking for someone to love her, and was thus VERY vulnerable to getting involved with boys whose motives are not exactly pure. This is a girl who has been failed many times by many different people who were supposed to love her, care for her, nurture her, and teach her to do the same. Then, she's likely been failed many times by the courts, by social workers who mean well but are overburdened because politicians think they cost too much, and all sorts of other folks. They even, apparently, placed her in a foster home that would be likely to turn her out for getting an abortion, or even just for becoming pregnant. IMO, people like that have no business being actual parents, let alone FOSTER parents. This is a girl who very clearly needs help, and for once, seems to have the mental faculties and determination necessary to try and get said help, and yet, the state keeps slamming the door in her face. Quit being heartless bastards, just this once.

And DON'T "welcome to fark" me. I guarantee you I've probably been on here longer than you have.
2013-10-07 06:05:42 PM  
6 votes:

spman: While I do think abortion would probably the best option for this girl, I also can't really muster a whole lot of sympathy for teenagers dumb enough to get pregnant in the first place, so I'm not really sure where I should direct my outrage.



Do you honestly believe this child had any physical/sexualeducation other than perhaps "abstinence only!"?  As a foster child? In Nebraska?  They aren't all dumb, many are purposefully misinformed.
2013-10-07 05:24:49 PM  
6 votes:
I'm at a loss for words.

Even if the state doesn't make her keep it (wow, that sounds fu*ked up), she will know her child is growing up in the same crappy foster system she's been living in.

That sucks.
2013-10-07 04:36:38 PM  
5 votes:
A complete travesty. People pushing their religious beliefs on a young girl. She has no place to go.

And thanks to the conservative thought, they aren't going to take care of it.
2013-10-07 04:36:07 PM  
5 votes:
I bet she's mature enough to kill herself when there's no way out for her.  By God I hope that doesn't happen.
2013-10-07 07:44:53 PM  
4 votes:

BSABSVR: spman: While I do think abortion would probably the best option for this girl, I also can't really muster a whole lot of sympathy for teenagers dumb enough to get pregnant in the first place, so I'm not really sure where I should direct my outrage.

I suppose I feel that while you shouldn't punish the unborn child by making it live its life in the same crummy upbringing it's mother did, and you shouldn't punish society by unleashing another ward onto the state, I also feel that abortion is too simple a solution as well. There needs to be consequences for making dumb choices in life. I understand that for many women, the abortion itself is the consequence, the mental and emotional toll that takes on you can very well haunt you for the rest of your life. On the other hand, the sad truth is that that's not always the case, some people are just cold and callous and think of having an abortion as nothing more than a simple outpatient procedure, and just another form of birth control.

Well, the end result is going to be terribly toxic for everyone involved, but at least a slut got her comeuppance.  Real big win there for you.  Congrats.


I like how not a word is spared for the outcome of this dumb teenager's consequence--the child who gets to spend 18 years as a product of her thoughtlessness. Because apparently nothing is more important than making the mother suffer for her sins, even if it means having another human being suffer along with her.

And this is way too important for trolls to be casting bait like this. If you're patting yourself on the back for getting a bite, hope you break your self-satisfied arm.
Ant
2013-10-07 06:49:38 PM  
4 votes:
This is appropriate to the discussion.
www.amptoons.com

We must punish women for having sex!
2013-10-07 06:43:42 PM  
4 votes:

spman: While I do think abortion would probably the best option for this girl, I also can't really muster a whole lot of sympathy for teenagers dumb enough to get pregnant in the first place, so I'm not really sure where I should direct my outrage.

I suppose I feel that while you shouldn't punish the unborn child by making it live its life in the same crummy upbringing it's mother did, and you shouldn't punish society by unleashing another ward onto the state, I also feel that abortion is too simple a solution as well. There needs to be consequences for making dumb choices in life. I understand that for many women, the abortion itself is the consequence, the mental and emotional toll that takes on you can very well haunt you for the rest of your life. On the other hand, the sad truth is that that's not always the case, some people are just cold and callous and think of having an abortion as nothing more than a simple outpatient procedure, and just another form of birth control.


Well, we're all glad to hear that you think abortion should be legalized - but only in the cases where you think the woman is sufficiently guilty.

You're the kind of moron that gets thinks like ultrasound rape wanding written into law.  Shame those sluts into motherhood - that'll show 'em!
2013-10-07 06:20:14 PM  
4 votes:

spman: While I do think abortion would probably the best option for this girl, I also can't really muster a whole lot of sympathy for teenagers dumb enough to get pregnant in the first place, so I'm not really sure where I should direct my outrage.

I suppose I feel that while you shouldn't punish the unborn child by making it live its life in the same crummy upbringing it's mother did, and you shouldn't punish society by unleashing another ward onto the state, I also feel that abortion is too simple a solution as well. There needs to be consequences for making dumb choices in life. I understand that for many women, the abortion itself is the consequence, the mental and emotional toll that takes on you can very well haunt you for the rest of your life. On the other hand, the sad truth is that that's not always the case, some people are just cold and callous and think of having an abortion as nothing more than a simple outpatient procedure, and just another form of birth control.


Well, the end result is going to be terribly toxic for everyone involved, but at least a slut got her comeuppance.  Real big win there for you.  Congrats.
2013-10-07 06:17:45 PM  
4 votes:
Nebraska rules 16-year-old girl too immature to get abortion, plenty mature to raise a child is property of the State and can be forced to have its children.

FTFYS

/Nazis. Always, always ready to Godwin a thread
2013-10-07 05:53:09 PM  
4 votes:

odinsposse: minoridiot: But 16 year-olds can get an abortion in the same manner they can buy a car -- with parental consent.

The girl is a ward of the state. So she asked the state and they decided that she was too immature to get an abortion but mature enough to be a mom.


Being a ward of the state is just a bad place to be.  While waiting for the TPR appeals process to be over, we had a specialist appointment for one of the kids. We couldn't sign medical documents.  They asked for someone to come down that could sign AND stay for the appointment.  We were like, WTF, what do you want us to do?  Go grab Scott Walker and drag him with us? (we got our social worker's department head to show up eventually.)


Finally got to adopt our 9 year old twins and a 13 year old a little over a month ago.

That said:  This is a plead for anyone who is considering adopting children.  Please at least consider older kids.
2013-10-07 05:38:54 PM  
4 votes:

Darth_Lukecash: A complete travesty. People pushing their religious beliefs on a young girl. She has no place to go.

And thanks to the conservative thought, they aren't going to take care of it.


I'm hoping 'across state lines' is an option for her. Of course, the adult who drives her there will be charged with kidnapping for taking a minor out of the state.

Headso: Maybe she can seek out an abortion by other means, if you can't get a safe one done by professionals maybe there's another way you could achieve the same goal.


What are you talking about?  No one has ever gotten an abortion illegally. That kind of thing just doesn't happen. There's absolutely no possibility a desperate pregnant 16-year-old in the adoption system after being raised by abusive parents and subsequently failed by that system would ever seek out and perform a criminal act.
2013-10-07 09:28:34 PM  
3 votes:
Society has failed this young woman repeatedly.
Her parents were physically abusive. This is a proven fact. The state doesn't dissolve parental rights lightly.
She was placed with a foster family who hold strong religious beliefs and faced a State Supreme Court with strong religious beliefs and has been denied her constitutional rights as guaranteed by Roe v Wade because she was deemed by the court to be too immature to make a decision to have an abortion.
That decision, 5-2, was handed down by, let's face it, a bunch of old, white, men who should never ever have any say about women's reproductive rights. Men should never have a say about those matters, IMO, because they don't share the burden of the consequences of their actions.
This young woman, Anonymous 5 (which would make a great name for a rock band or a Japanese Anime Super Villain or possibly a robot) has been screwed, blued and tattooed by the religious right in Nebraska.
She went looking for help, physically abused, in trouble, hurting, and the government of Nebraska decided to deny her her rights and ruin her slim chances at leading a normal life.
Any article about 'compassionate conservatism' should mention Anonymous 5.
2013-10-07 06:25:32 PM  
3 votes:

spman: ... [words] ... some people are just cold and callous ... [words] ...


spman, meet mirror. Mirror meet spman.
2013-10-07 05:39:28 PM  
3 votes:
I submitted this with a nearly identical headline . . . two days ago. :-(
2013-10-07 05:33:20 PM  
3 votes:

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Or spend the 68 bucks to get a Grayhound ticket to a state that will help you with your little problem


How many kids in foster care have $68? How many states will provide an abortion to a 16-year-old without parental consent?
2013-10-07 05:24:40 PM  
3 votes:

minoridiot: But 16 year-olds can get an abortion in the same manner they can buy a car -- with parental consent.


The girl is a ward of the state. So she asked the state and they decided that she was too immature to get an abortion but mature enough to be a mom.
2013-10-07 05:21:22 PM  
3 votes:
After she's forced to shove the parasite out of her body, she should leave it on the judge's doorstep with a note indicating that he forced her to do it, so the baby is his problem.
2013-10-07 10:02:19 PM  
2 votes:
Debeo Summa Credo:


I like how you call her a slut, and then go on to say that slut-shaming is a liberal straw man.

Why, exactly, is she a slut? How does having sex at 16 make you a slut? And, by the way, I want actual reasons grounded in reality, not the Bible.
2013-10-07 09:43:35 PM  
2 votes:
A quick search of the Googles shows an average price for the abortion procedure to be $500. Half a grand. So that kinda kicks it out of the "cheap and easy method of birth control" column.

Gotta wonder where Baby Daddy is during all this commotion. Getting ready for the Homecoming Game?
2013-10-07 09:11:40 PM  
2 votes:

spman: While I do think abortion would probably the best option for this girl, I also can't really muster a whole lot of sympathy for teenagers dumb enough to get pregnant in the first place, so I'm not really sure where I should direct my outrage.

I suppose I feel that while you shouldn't punish the unborn child by making it live its life in the same crummy upbringing it's mother did, and you shouldn't punish society by unleashing another ward onto the state, I also feel that abortion is too simple a solution as well. There needs to be consequences for making dumb choices in life. I understand that for many women, the abortion itself is the consequence, the mental and emotional toll that takes on you can very well haunt you for the rest of your life. On the other hand, the sad truth is that that's not always the case, some people are just cold and callous and think of having an abortion as nothing more than a simple outpatient procedure, and just another form of birth control.


Yeah, and many of those people are the would-be fathers. How do you plan on punishing the man-sluts?

/have never known ANYONE who thought an expensive surgical procedure that is over-regulated by conservative government is "just another form of birth control".
2013-10-07 07:16:40 PM  
2 votes:

spman: I also feel that abortion is too simple a solution as well. There needs to be consequences for making dumb choices in life.


Maybe we should make her wear a scarlet A?

Christ.
2013-10-07 06:36:31 PM  
2 votes:
A girl mature enough to emancipate herself from abusive parents and to wade through the legal wranglings of the family court system isn't considered mature?

Most people who do that have law degrees.
2013-10-07 06:29:56 PM  
2 votes:
I'm sure the anti choice people don't want her on SNAP our section 8 after the baby comes either. They'd rather just stand in front of planned parenthood in Lincoln with signs and stern looks rather than make a real difference and look down on people judgmentally.
2013-10-07 06:28:12 PM  
2 votes:
just another disgusting judicial ruling, stay classy Nebraska.
2013-10-07 04:41:46 PM  
2 votes:
Too bad she's not rich - she could go to a state that doesn't suck to get one.
2013-10-08 06:12:35 AM  
1 votes:
If her name weren't anonymous, and clearly I understand why it is, I would be willing to give her the money needed for travel to an enlightened state and give her money for her abortion.
2013-10-08 02:13:06 AM  
1 votes:
I'm officially BSABBFR.

Both sides are bad, but fark Republicans.

shiat like this is why.
2013-10-08 12:52:23 AM  
1 votes:
Don't think of it as 'abortion'.
Think of it as 'standing your ground against an unwelcome intruder'.
You people  like that sort of thing, right?
2013-10-08 12:41:33 AM  
1 votes:

grumpfuff: jst3p: grumpfuff: Debeo Summa Credo: First of all, she probably is a slut. She got pregnant at 16 after all. There's no allegation she was raped, so it was consensual. So, yeah, she's a slut. Just sayin'.

Why, exactly, is she a slut? Again, reality based reasons.

It is a purely subjective descriptor, you would have to agree on a definition before you could do that.

Of course it's purely subjective. I'd still like to hear why Debeo thinks this girl is a slut, based on so little information in the article.


Meh, he answered you already. Clearly anyone having sex and getting pregnant at 16 is a de facto slut in his world. Having sex outside of marriage and not for procreation only = slut to this fool, so why are you even asking for further clarification?

There is no logic linkage with people like this. Pregnancy and childbirth exist only to punish the mother for her sinful actions, and that the baby will also suffer is merely a harrumph. They will invariably say something like "Liberals always think society should provide for people's mistakes" or "Why should taxpayers have to pay for a woman's choice?" as if their argument that "It's not a choice, it's a baby!" suddenly lost all it's impact the moment the umbilical cord was severed. Or they have some magical thought that the sight of that baby will cause the woman to repent of her sinful ways, miraculously find a job, home, god and a husband, and settle down to a white-picket-fence life that somehow didn't exist before her pregnancy.

That this particular girl is mature enough to recognize she WAS careless and wrong, and DID make a mistake is irrelevant--in these people's world, you can only do that before you make a mistake. Once a mistake is made, these folks want the girl to suffer forever and ever, amen, and take your brat with you, biatch. She can never unmake her mistake. Because clearly, maturity isn't something you get to have unless you're mature enough to figure it out before you need it. Or something.
2013-10-07 11:03:56 PM  
1 votes:
She should name Judge Bataillon as the father on the birth certificate.
2013-10-07 10:54:20 PM  
1 votes:

jst3p: grumpfuff: Debeo Summa Credo: First of all, she probably is a slut. She got pregnant at 16 after all. There's no allegation she was raped, so it was consensual. So, yeah, she's a slut. Just sayin'.

Why, exactly, is she a slut? Again, reality based reasons.

It is a purely subjective descriptor, you would have to agree on a definition before you could do that.


Of course it's purely subjective. I'd still like to hear why Debeo thinks this girl is a slut, based on so little information in the article.
2013-10-07 10:30:31 PM  
1 votes:
Debeo Summa Credo:

First of all, she probably is a slut. She got pregnant at 16 after all. There's no allegation she was raped, so it was consensual. So, yeah, she's a slut. Just sayin'.

Go fark yourself. Just saying.
Yeah, let's just ignore all the other trauma this child went through and continue to victimize her. God, I hate conservatives/Republicans/Libertarians/sociopaths (but I repeat myself). I am so sick of you people and your judgmental, puritanical views. You will stomp on abused kids who act out in the only way they know to deal with the trauma they've endured, but I guarantee you excuse all the Wall Street psychopaths and "conservative" politicians who have done their damndest to ruin the world's economy and continue to victimize those who have already been victimized...

/Yes, I have been drinking, why do you ask?
2013-10-07 10:15:02 PM  
1 votes:

Debeo Summa Credo: dennysgod: So conservatives will force this girl to have this baby and then 9 months later complain about how tax-payers dollars are being wasted raising these two.

So liberals have no problem if this girl kills her baby but then find it inhumane if taxpayers don't provide for their every want.


Well, if she's being forced to have the child against her will by government agents, why shouldn't the government help pay for it?
2013-10-07 10:13:44 PM  
1 votes:

Debeo Summa Credo: grumpfuff: Debeo Summa Credo:


I like how you call her a slut, and then go on to say that slut-shaming is a liberal straw man.

Why, exactly, is she a slut? How does having sex at 16 make you a slut? And, by the way, I want actual reasons grounded in reality, not the Bible.

The point is whether or not she's a slut (by whatever subjective definition of slut you apply) it should have no bearing on whether she should be able to have an abortion.

Pro-lifers are pro-life. They aren't in it to punish women for putting out or whatever it is many pro-choicers fool themselves into believing.


Nice dodge. Way to totally avoid my question, and instead restate part of the post I responded to(but not the one I was asking about).

Here, let me make it clearer.

Debeo Summa Credo: First of all, she probably is a slut. She got pregnant at 16 after all. There's no allegation she was raped, so it was consensual. So, yeah, she's a slut. Just sayin'.


Why, exactly, is she a slut? Again, reality based reasons.
2013-10-07 10:13:25 PM  
1 votes:

Debeo Summa Credo: kills her baby


What baby?
2013-10-07 10:09:32 PM  
1 votes:

dennysgod: So conservatives will force this girl to have this baby and then 9 months later complain about how tax-payers dollars are being wasted raising these two.


Expanding the ranks of the impoverished and then complaining about how many are impoverished has been their "thing" for the last 30 years or so.
2013-10-07 10:04:40 PM  
1 votes:
So conservatives will force this girl to have this baby and then 9 months later complain about how tax-payers dollars are being wasted raising these two.
2013-10-07 09:10:30 PM  
1 votes:

DeaH: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Or spend the 68 bucks to get a Grayhound ticket to a state that will help you with your little problem

How many kids in foster care have $68? How many states will provide an abortion to a 16-year-old without parental consent?


I wouldn't be surprised if they arrest her saying the reason is that she may leave the state to travel to another to get an abortion.
2013-10-07 07:32:45 PM  
1 votes:
I'm just in awe that the State Supreme Court here could make this ruling... on the one had she's old enough to:
- have sex
- know where babies come from
- not protect herself
- get pregnant
- know she doesn't want the baby
- seek to terminate and understand the ramifications

The "grown-ups" sitting on a bench have ruled that in spite of ALL of the above, she's not old enough to terminate and should carry the baby to term... this girl will be on the street with her baby. She'll be using even more of the precious funds that typically (not always) most GOP do not want her to use (there are lots of Dems in this boat with them, please don't misunderstand).

MIND BLOWN....
2013-10-07 06:47:37 PM  
1 votes:

Petey4335: odinsposse: minoridiot: But 16 year-olds can get an abortion in the same manner they can buy a car -- with parental consent.

The girl is a ward of the state. So she asked the state and they decided that she was too immature to get an abortion but mature enough to be a mom.

Being a ward of the state is just a bad place to be.  While waiting for the TPR appeals process to be over, we had a specialist appointment for one of the kids. We couldn't sign medical documents.  They asked for someone to come down that could sign AND stay for the appointment.  We were like, WTF, what do you want us to do?  Go grab Scott Walker and drag him with us? (we got our social worker's department head to show up eventually.)


Finally got to adopt our 9 year old twins and a 13 year old a little over a month ago.

That said:  This is a plead for anyone who is considering adopting children.  Please at least consider older kids.


congrats.

I decided a long time ago (when I was in middle school) I was only going to adopt.  Since I'm now at the age my Mom had me and I'm not planning on adopting a kid in the very near future, I figure I'll just adopt a kid who was born around 2013, even if that's 5 to 15 years from now.

But seriously, this.

Karac: A girl mature enough to emancipate herself from abusive parents and to wade through the legal wranglings of the family court system isn't considered mature?

Most people who do that have law degrees.


And they aren't always successful.  Seriously, this.

She worried that she didn't have the financial resources to support a child or to be "the right mom that I would like to be right now."
...
Since Anonymous 5 is a ward of the State Department of Health and Human Services-she actually requested the abortion at the confidential hearing dissolving the parental rights of her biological mother and father, who were physically abusive-she doesn't have anyone to grant her consent. "
...
Either way, at her hearing, the young woman said she did not want to involve her foster family because they held strong religious beliefs-she feared that if they found out about her pregnancy, she'd lose her placement.


Goddamn.  Just... godf--kingdammit.

At least she seems pretty resilient.  But if she's in a foster family that's actually decent other than that... and this stupid f--king BS causes her to get kicked out of there... Christ.

Here's hoping she doesn't give up fighting, somehow.  Wish she wasn't anonymous so someone could set up a college fund for her (although I understand why she is).  It seems like she's doing all she can to claw her way out into a better life and just... f--k.  A stupid mistake.  That teens are very wont to do.  And I'd wager dollars to donuts there was no type of respectable sex ed provided  to her.

/goddammit
//guess I'll donate http://www.guttmacher.org/  there instead.
2013-10-07 06:44:30 PM  
1 votes:
I'll take her to a theme park and we will ride roller coasters for 12 hours. Then it's on to the kickboxing tournament.
Ant
2013-10-07 06:43:31 PM  
1 votes:

Best Princess Celestia: How the child was conceived will determine my sympathy/ire for her though.


Why? Who gives a shiat? She's 16.
2013-10-07 06:25:20 PM  
1 votes:
There's no contradiction here. She's too immature now, but in a few months she'll be lot more maturer.
2013-10-07 06:06:44 PM  
1 votes:

Petey4335: odinsposse: minoridiot: But 16 year-olds can get an abortion in the same manner they can buy a car -- with parental consent.

The girl is a ward of the state. So she asked the state and they decided that she was too immature to get an abortion but mature enough to be a mom.

Being a ward of the state is just a bad place to be.  While waiting for the TPR appeals process to be over, we had a specialist appointment for one of the kids. We couldn't sign medical documents.  They asked for someone to come down that could sign AND stay for the appointment.  We were like, WTF, what do you want us to do?  Go grab Scott Walker and drag him with us? (we got our social worker's department head to show up eventually.)


Finally got to adopt our 9 year old twins and a 13 year old a little over a month ago.

That said:  This is a plead for anyone who is considering adopting children.  Please at least consider older kids.

Best wishes to you with your new family.  And that's great advice for FARK'ers to consider older chilldren for adoption.  Like older animals in need of a home, older children are usually the last considered since most want infants and young children (and most want puppies and kittens who are seeking out a pet for adoption over an older dog or cat)

2013-10-07 05:58:04 PM  
1 votes:

DeaH: How many kids in foster care have $68?


My understanding is that anyone who relies on government support is rich.  She probably has a spinning Obamaphone made out of lobster that she picked up at Planned Parenthood.

/Also if Anonymous 5 is black, she talks in a weird form of Ebonics that cannot be heard except by upper-middle class white people.
2013-10-07 05:45:45 PM  
1 votes:
Anti-abortionists don't gave a shiat about what happens to the child once it is born?

Quick, Robin. To the Romero-mobile at once!
2013-10-07 05:44:19 PM  
1 votes:

AMonkey'sUncle: She can drop it off the Tallahassee Bridge.


Ding dang ni-bong autocorrect. Tallahatchie.
2013-10-07 05:42:14 PM  
1 votes:

Flappyhead: odinsposse: minoridiot: But 16 year-olds can get an abortion in the same manner they can buy a car -- with parental consent.

The girl is a ward of the state. So she asked the state and they decided that she was too immature to get an abortion but mature enough to be a mom.

How much you wanna bet they'll make it as difficult as possible to get welfare on top of it?


I don't make bets I know I'll lose.
2013-10-07 05:42:13 PM  
1 votes:
She can drop it off the Tallahassee Bridge.
2013-10-07 05:32:45 PM  
1 votes:
Generally I'd wonder what the SCOTUS would have to say, but with this bunch I have a feeling there'll be some kind of whargarble about the rights of the state and basically nothing.
2013-10-07 05:32:01 PM  
1 votes:

odinsposse: minoridiot: But 16 year-olds can get an abortion in the same manner they can buy a car -- with parental consent.

The girl is a ward of the state. So she asked the state and they decided that she was too immature to get an abortion but mature enough to be a mom.


How much you wanna bet they'll make it as difficult as possible to get welfare on top of it?
2013-10-07 05:30:47 PM  
1 votes:
I sear to Bob this isn't from the Onion:

Nebraska's Safe Haven Law:

Nebraska's safe haven has received the most publicity out of all safe haven programs, however, it is not because of all of the babies they were saving. Nebraska's safe haven law did not specify an age limit for which children could be dropped off, which resulted in 35 children being left for safe haven protection, most kids over age 10. Nebraska's safe haven law has since been revised to place an age limitation to protect only newborns, so that children over age 30 days old can not be dropped off.

Basically just leave the baby at the door step of any firehouse and walk away. Simple as that.

Or spend the 68 bucks to get a Grayhound ticket to a state that will help you with your little problem
2013-10-07 05:30:33 PM  
1 votes:

crazydave023: We need that Jackie Chan "What" meme


www.troll.me
2013-10-07 05:23:40 PM  
1 votes:
 So instead, this immature young woman who does not want a baby will become a mother. Everyone wins.

Maybe she can seek out an abortion by other means, if you can't get a safe one done by professionals maybe there's another way you could achieve the same goal.
2013-10-07 05:21:25 PM  
1 votes:
We need that Jackie Chan "What" meme
2013-10-07 04:46:38 PM  
1 votes:
And this worthless wanna-be child murderer will probably want welfare for the baby we force her to have.
2013-10-07 04:42:56 PM  
1 votes:
Since she's in Nebraska, can't she just drop the baby off on the judge's bench, no questions asked, and the state will accept the kid?
 
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