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(Slate)   Nebraska rules 16-year-old girl too immature to get abortion, plenty mature to raise a child   (slate.com) divider line 180
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2013-10-07 09:52:24 PM  
I don't understand all the fuss and bother about abortion.  Pro-lifers push for adoption because that way the children will be raised in a happier place than with the poor mother.  But what's a happier place than heaven?  There is no happier place. And all aborted babies go straight to heaven.  Abortion is just another way of saying that your child has been adopted by God!  Why would anyone keep God from adopting these unwanted children?
 
2013-10-07 09:58:48 PM  

Greek: To all the slut shamers in this forum- and there are quite a few- take note of the total situation here. The girl first asked for the abortion at a hearing to terminate her parents' rights. In other words, this girl grew up in a very abusive household, one that she only recently was able to get away from. Girls in those sorts of situations generally are very high risk for getting pregnant. First, it's unlikely that she got anything in the way of real, reasonable sex education. Second, she was probably (even if subconsciously) looking for someone to love her, and was thus VERY vulnerable to getting involved with boys whose motives are not exactly pure. This is a girl who has been failed many times by many different people who were supposed to love her, care for her, nurture her, and teach her to do the same. Then, she's likely been failed many times by the courts, by social workers who mean well but are overburdened because politicians think they cost too much, and all sorts of other folks. They even, apparently, placed her in a foster home that would be likely to turn her out for getting an abortion, or even just for becoming pregnant. IMO, people like that have no business being actual parents, let alone FOSTER parents. This is a girl who very clearly needs help, and for once, seems to have the mental faculties and determination necessary to try and get said help, and yet, the state keeps slamming the door in her face. Quit being heartless bastards, just this once.

And DON'T "welcome to fark" me. I guarantee you I've probably been on here longer than you have.


First of all, she probably is a slut. She got pregnant at 16 after all. There's no allegation she was raped, so it was consensual. So, yeah, she's a slut. Just sayin'.

Whether or not she's a slut shouldn't have any bearing on whether she can have an abortion, and doesn't in this case.

It's a convenient argument of pro-choicers that any opposition to abortion is based on "slut-shaming". It makes women out to be victims of mean conservatives out to limit their rights, and makes you think you have the moral high ground.

But the fact is these religious pro-lifers are literally pro-life. They believe abortion is killing a baby. They don't want this girl to be able to kill her baby.
 
2013-10-07 10:02:16 PM  

RyogaM: And all aborted babies go straight to heaven.


Unless they're Catholic in which case they end up in Limbo.

t3.gstatic.com
 
2013-10-07 10:02:19 PM  
Debeo Summa Credo:


I like how you call her a slut, and then go on to say that slut-shaming is a liberal straw man.

Why, exactly, is she a slut? How does having sex at 16 make you a slut? And, by the way, I want actual reasons grounded in reality, not the Bible.
 
2013-10-07 10:02:35 PM  

RyogaM: Abortion is just another way of saying that your child has been adopted by God!


That is the awesomest thing I have read today.

"Why don't you want the baby to go right to heaven? Why do you want to force them to live on this shiathole first? You are kind of an asshole! God has a plan for everybody, maybe God's plan was for that baby to get in the express lane to Jesustown."
 
2013-10-07 10:04:40 PM  
So conservatives will force this girl to have this baby and then 9 months later complain about how tax-payers dollars are being wasted raising these two.
 
2013-10-07 10:06:19 PM  

WordyGrrl: A quick search of the Googles shows an average price for the abortion procedure to be $500. Half a grand. So that kinda kicks it out of the "cheap and easy method of birth control" column.

Gotta wonder where Baby Daddy is during all this commotion. Getting ready for the Homecoming Game?


I got $5 says the baby daddy is in fact the foster dad.
 
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2013-10-07 10:08:51 PM  

Bonzo_1116: WordyGrrl: A quick search of the Googles shows an average price for the abortion procedure to be $500. Half a grand. So that kinda kicks it out of the "cheap and easy method of birth control" column.

Gotta wonder where Baby Daddy is during all this commotion. Getting ready for the Homecoming Game?

I got $5 says the baby daddy is in fact the foster dad.


I'll put $10 on Jesus.
 
2013-10-07 10:08:51 PM  

grumpfuff: Debeo Summa Credo:


I like how you call her a slut, and then go on to say that slut-shaming is a liberal straw man.

Why, exactly, is she a slut? How does having sex at 16 make you a slut? And, by the way, I want actual reasons grounded in reality, not the Bible.


The point is whether or not she's a slut (by whatever subjective definition of slut you apply) it should have no bearing on whether she should be able to have an abortion.

Pro-lifers are pro-life. They aren't in it to punish women for putting out or whatever it is many pro-choicers fool themselves into believing.
 
2013-10-07 10:09:32 PM  

dennysgod: So conservatives will force this girl to have this baby and then 9 months later complain about how tax-payers dollars are being wasted raising these two.


Expanding the ranks of the impoverished and then complaining about how many are impoverished has been their "thing" for the last 30 years or so.
 
2013-10-07 10:10:59 PM  

dennysgod: So conservatives will force this girl to have this baby and then 9 months later complain about how tax-payers dollars are being wasted raising these two.


So liberals have no problem if this girl kills her baby but then find it inhumane if taxpayers don't provide for their every want.
 
2013-10-07 10:11:00 PM  
Reading the comments it seems like she should Crowdfund her abortion. She can get a free trip to Wichita.
 
2013-10-07 10:12:38 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: Pro-lifers are pro-life. They aren't in it to punish women for putting out or whatever it is many pro-choicers fool themselves into believing.


That's why most of them don't support contraception either.
 
2013-10-07 10:13:25 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: kills her baby


What baby?
 
2013-10-07 10:13:44 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: grumpfuff: Debeo Summa Credo:


I like how you call her a slut, and then go on to say that slut-shaming is a liberal straw man.

Why, exactly, is she a slut? How does having sex at 16 make you a slut? And, by the way, I want actual reasons grounded in reality, not the Bible.

The point is whether or not she's a slut (by whatever subjective definition of slut you apply) it should have no bearing on whether she should be able to have an abortion.

Pro-lifers are pro-life. They aren't in it to punish women for putting out or whatever it is many pro-choicers fool themselves into believing.


Nice dodge. Way to totally avoid my question, and instead restate part of the post I responded to(but not the one I was asking about).

Here, let me make it clearer.

Debeo Summa Credo: First of all, she probably is a slut. She got pregnant at 16 after all. There's no allegation she was raped, so it was consensual. So, yeah, she's a slut. Just sayin'.


Why, exactly, is she a slut? Again, reality based reasons.
 
2013-10-07 10:15:02 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: dennysgod: So conservatives will force this girl to have this baby and then 9 months later complain about how tax-payers dollars are being wasted raising these two.

So liberals have no problem if this girl kills her baby but then find it inhumane if taxpayers don't provide for their every want.


Well, if she's being forced to have the child against her will by government agents, why shouldn't the government help pay for it?
 
2013-10-07 10:19:03 PM  

badhatharry: badhatharry: Sorry about that, I didn't read the article. That's what adoption is for.

Sorry about that. I didn't read the whole article. That's what foster grandma's are for.


Foster grandma's WHAT?
 
2013-10-07 10:23:16 PM  
underaged kid can't get medical procedure without guardian's consent. We pretend that kids should be able to get medical procedures without parental consent but just this one time.
 
2013-10-07 10:30:31 PM  
Debeo Summa Credo:

First of all, she probably is a slut. She got pregnant at 16 after all. There's no allegation she was raped, so it was consensual. So, yeah, she's a slut. Just sayin'.

Go fark yourself. Just saying.
Yeah, let's just ignore all the other trauma this child went through and continue to victimize her. God, I hate conservatives/Republicans/Libertarians/sociopaths (but I repeat myself). I am so sick of you people and your judgmental, puritanical views. You will stomp on abused kids who act out in the only way they know to deal with the trauma they've endured, but I guarantee you excuse all the Wall Street psychopaths and "conservative" politicians who have done their damndest to ruin the world's economy and continue to victimize those who have already been victimized...

/Yes, I have been drinking, why do you ask?
 
2013-10-07 10:32:12 PM  

Urbn: /Yes, I have been drinking, why do you ask?


because you said "psychopath", "sociopath" and then equated more than 1/2 of your fellow Americans with them. How's that for starters?
 
2013-10-07 10:32:19 PM  

grumpfuff: Debeo Summa Credo: First of all, she probably is a slut. She got pregnant at 16 after all. There's no allegation she was raped, so it was consensual. So, yeah, she's a slut. Just sayin'.

Why, exactly, is she a slut? Again, reality based reasons.


It is a purely subjective descriptor, you would have to agree on a definition before you could do that.
 
2013-10-07 10:34:12 PM  

jst3p: grumpfuff: Debeo Summa Credo: First of all, she probably is a slut. She got pregnant at 16 after all. There's no allegation she was raped, so it was consensual. So, yeah, she's a slut. Just sayin'.

Why, exactly, is she a slut? Again, reality based reasons.

It is a purely subjective descriptor, you would have to agree on a definition before you could do that.


does she float?

/maybe that's the test for something else
 
2013-10-07 10:37:57 PM  

skullkrusher: Urbn: /Yes, I have been drinking, why do you ask?

because you said "psychopath", "sociopath" and then equated more than 1/2 of your fellow Americans with them. How's that for starters?


More than 1/2 of my fellow Americans called this abused girl a slut?

/Knows what you meant, and don't care, so nyah!
 
2013-10-07 10:41:35 PM  

Urbn: skullkrusher: Urbn: /Yes, I have been drinking, why do you ask?

because you said "psychopath", "sociopath" and then equated more than 1/2 of your fellow Americans with them. How's that for starters?

More than 1/2 of my fellow Americans called this abused girl a slut?

/Knows what you meant, and don't care, so nyah!


heh, in vino veritas

/sometimes
 
2013-10-07 10:54:20 PM  

jst3p: grumpfuff: Debeo Summa Credo: First of all, she probably is a slut. She got pregnant at 16 after all. There's no allegation she was raped, so it was consensual. So, yeah, she's a slut. Just sayin'.

Why, exactly, is she a slut? Again, reality based reasons.

It is a purely subjective descriptor, you would have to agree on a definition before you could do that.


Of course it's purely subjective. I'd still like to hear why Debeo thinks this girl is a slut, based on so little information in the article.
 
2013-10-07 11:03:35 PM  

grumpfuff: jst3p: grumpfuff: Debeo Summa Credo: First of all, she probably is a slut. She got pregnant at 16 after all. There's no allegation she was raped, so it was consensual. So, yeah, she's a slut. Just sayin'.

Why, exactly, is she a slut? Again, reality based reasons.

It is a purely subjective descriptor, you would have to agree on a definition before you could do that.

Of course it's purely subjective. I'd still like to hear why Debeo thinks this girl is a slut, based on so little information in the article.


He could, literally, say "because all women who have sex are sluts" and you couldn't prove him wrong.
 
2013-10-07 11:03:56 PM  
She should name Judge Bataillon as the father on the birth certificate.
 
2013-10-07 11:12:02 PM  

jst3p: grumpfuff: jst3p: grumpfuff: Debeo Summa Credo: First of all, she probably is a slut. She got pregnant at 16 after all. There's no allegation she was raped, so it was consensual. So, yeah, she's a slut. Just sayin'.

Why, exactly, is she a slut? Again, reality based reasons.

It is a purely subjective descriptor, you would have to agree on a definition before you could do that.

Of course it's purely subjective. I'd still like to hear why Debeo thinks this girl is a slut, based on so little information in the article.

He could, literally, say "because all women who have sex are sluts" and you couldn't prove him wrong.


All X = Sluts, for sufficient definitions of "sluts".
 
2013-10-07 11:15:43 PM  
We hate you for your freedoms.
 
2013-10-07 11:18:22 PM  

2wolves: spman: There needs to be consequences for making dumb choices in life.

When was the last time you saw a banker go to jail?


Or a speaker of the house
 
2013-10-07 11:21:28 PM  

Theaetetus: jst3p: grumpfuff: jst3p: grumpfuff: Debeo Summa Credo: First of all, she probably is a slut. She got pregnant at 16 after all. There's no allegation she was raped, so it was consensual. So, yeah, she's a slut. Just sayin'.

Why, exactly, is she a slut? Again, reality based reasons.

It is a purely subjective descriptor, you would have to agree on a definition before you could do that.

Of course it's purely subjective. I'd still like to hear why Debeo thinks this girl is a slut, based on so little information in the article.

He could, literally, say "because all women who have sex are sluts" and you couldn't prove him wrong.

All X = Sluts, for sufficient definitions of "sluts".


I like you.
 
2013-10-07 11:24:49 PM  

jst3p: Theaetetus: jst3p: grumpfuff: jst3p: grumpfuff: Debeo Summa Credo: First of all, she probably is a slut. She got pregnant at 16 after all. There's no allegation she was raped, so it was consensual. So, yeah, she's a slut. Just sayin'.

Why, exactly, is she a slut? Again, reality based reasons.

It is a purely subjective descriptor, you would have to agree on a definition before you could do that.

Of course it's purely subjective. I'd still like to hear why Debeo thinks this girl is a slut, based on so little information in the article.

He could, literally, say "because all women who have sex are sluts" and you couldn't prove him wrong.

All X = Sluts, for sufficient definitions of "sluts".

I like you.


get a room, sluts
 
2013-10-08 12:01:06 AM  

Supes: The Stealth Hippopotamus: I sear to Bob this isn't from the Onion:

Nebraska's Safe Haven Law:

Nebraska's safe haven has received the most publicity out of all safe haven programs, however, it is not because of all of the babies they were saving. Nebraska's safe haven law did not specify an age limit for which children could be dropped off, which resulted in 35 children being left for safe haven protection, most kids over age 10. Nebraska's safe haven law has since been revised to place an age limitation to protect only newborns, so that children over age 30 days old can not be dropped off.

Basically just leave the baby at the door step of any firehouse and walk away. Simple as that.

Or spend the 68 bucks to get a Grayhound ticket to a state that will help you with your little problem

One dad surrendered NINE kids at a hospital under this law. Ridiculous.


Uhm, people were dropping off kids aged up to 17 years initially; the original law hadn't bothered to specify "infants" and so people were ditching their teeangers.

[http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/22/us/22nebraska.html]
 
2013-10-08 12:06:24 AM  
Why are libtards okay with murdering a defenseless baby in the womb, but not when true Americans defend their pussy asses by killing an evil brown man with a nuclear bomb in Afghanistan?

It's a racist double standard. If only that baby had a Zimmerman.
 
2013-10-08 12:15:26 AM  

hardinparamedic: Why are libtards okay with murdering a defenseless baby in the womb, but not when true Americans defend their pussy asses by killing an evil brown man with a nuclear bomb in Afghanistan?

It's a racist double standard. If only that baby had a Zimmerman.


fark that: what if Zimmerman had had a baby?

/I mean, like, right there, right in front of Martin
 
2013-10-08 12:17:31 AM  

ArcadianRefugee: fark that: what if Zimmerman had had a baby?

/I mean, like, right there, right in front of Martin


Well, we know he wouldn't have let that THUG abort that poor, defenseless little baby. I mean, have you ever seen a baby? They're pretty much formed after two days of fertilization. DID YOU KNOW THAT THE HEART BEATS AFTER THREE DAYS?

Everytime a liebral demoncrat tricks a poor woman into getting a murderbortion, they are killing this.

takeasmileindia.files.wordpress.com

Now just look at that corn and shiat covered face, and tell me you could murder that baby.
 
2013-10-08 12:17:44 AM  

hardinparamedic: Why are libtards okay with murdering a defenseless baby in the womb, but not when true Americans defend their pussy asses by killing an evil brown man with a nuclear bomb in Afghanistan?

It's a racist double standard. If only that baby had a Zimmerman.


You are neither funny nor insightful, troll.
 
2013-10-08 12:21:06 AM  

Jorn the Younger: hardinparamedic: Why are libtards okay with murdering a defenseless baby in the womb, but not when true Americans defend their pussy asses by killing an evil brown man with a nuclear bomb in Afghanistan?

It's a racist double standard. If only that baby had a Zimmerman.

You are neither funny nor insightful, troll.


I wish I was being funny, good Sir. It is a documented fact that Democrats would love to abort this living, breathing baby, put it back INTO the womb, and do it all over again.

media.chick.com

The Right Honorable Reverend Jack Chick showed me the truth and the error of my ways!
 
2013-10-08 12:30:46 AM  

hardinparamedic: ArcadianRefugee: fark that: what if Zimmerman had had a baby?

/I mean, like, right there, right in front of Martin

Well, we know he wouldn't have let that THUG abort that poor, defenseless little baby. I mean, have you ever seen a baby? They're pretty much formed after two days of fertilization. DID YOU KNOW THAT THE HEART BEATS AFTER THREE DAYS?

Everytime a liebral demoncrat tricks a poor woman into getting a murderbortion, they are killing this.

[takeasmileindia.files.wordpress.com image 600x728]

Now just look at that corn and shiat covered face, and tell me you could murder that baby.


I would have to wipe the shiat and cornpoop off him first.
 
2013-10-08 12:31:07 AM  
just sayin

age to smoke 18
age to vote     18
age to drink     21
age to drive with help 16
age to drive by yourself 18

age to become pregnant and or raise a child - no age requirement necesary
 
2013-10-08 12:40:36 AM  

hardinparamedic: [takeasmileindia.files.wordpress.com image 600x728]

Now just look at that corn and shiat covered face, and tell me you could murder that baby.


Wait now.... Which orifice did he get pulled out from?

/worst. caesarian. ever.
 
2013-10-08 12:41:33 AM  

grumpfuff: jst3p: grumpfuff: Debeo Summa Credo: First of all, she probably is a slut. She got pregnant at 16 after all. There's no allegation she was raped, so it was consensual. So, yeah, she's a slut. Just sayin'.

Why, exactly, is she a slut? Again, reality based reasons.

It is a purely subjective descriptor, you would have to agree on a definition before you could do that.

Of course it's purely subjective. I'd still like to hear why Debeo thinks this girl is a slut, based on so little information in the article.


Meh, he answered you already. Clearly anyone having sex and getting pregnant at 16 is a de facto slut in his world. Having sex outside of marriage and not for procreation only = slut to this fool, so why are you even asking for further clarification?

There is no logic linkage with people like this. Pregnancy and childbirth exist only to punish the mother for her sinful actions, and that the baby will also suffer is merely a harrumph. They will invariably say something like "Liberals always think society should provide for people's mistakes" or "Why should taxpayers have to pay for a woman's choice?" as if their argument that "It's not a choice, it's a baby!" suddenly lost all it's impact the moment the umbilical cord was severed. Or they have some magical thought that the sight of that baby will cause the woman to repent of her sinful ways, miraculously find a job, home, god and a husband, and settle down to a white-picket-fence life that somehow didn't exist before her pregnancy.

That this particular girl is mature enough to recognize she WAS careless and wrong, and DID make a mistake is irrelevant--in these people's world, you can only do that before you make a mistake. Once a mistake is made, these folks want the girl to suffer forever and ever, amen, and take your brat with you, biatch. She can never unmake her mistake. Because clearly, maturity isn't something you get to have unless you're mature enough to figure it out before you need it. Or something.
 
2013-10-08 12:43:35 AM  

bindlestiff2600: just sayin

age to smoke 18
age to vote     18
age to drink     21
age to drive with help 16
age to drive by yourself 18

age to become pregnant and or raise a child - no age requirement necesary


Puberty.*

*age variable; current minimum: 5 years, 7 months
 
2013-10-08 12:44:02 AM  
Yet more proof of what garbage fundies are.
 
2013-10-08 12:47:10 AM  

Gyrfalcon: <snip>



As I said earlier, I know. I just tend to believe the best way to deal with stupidity is confront it head on.

/except when it comes to obvious trolls
 
2013-10-08 12:52:23 AM  
Don't think of it as 'abortion'.
Think of it as 'standing your ground against an unwelcome intruder'.
You people  like that sort of thing, right?
 
2013-10-08 01:04:41 AM  

bindlestiff2600: just sayin

age to smoke 18
age to vote     18
age to drink     21
age to drive with help 16
age to drive by yourself 18

age to become pregnant and or raise a child - no age requirement necesary


Your point?  Are you saying we could somehow legally mandate when a girl starts to menstruate?
 
2013-10-08 01:16:06 AM  

Petey4335: odinsposse: minoridiot: But 16 year-olds can get an abortion in the same manner they can buy a car -- with parental consent.

The girl is a ward of the state. So she asked the state and they decided that she was too immature to get an abortion but mature enough to be a mom.

Being a ward of the state is just a bad place to be.  While waiting for the TPR appeals process to be over, we had a specialist appointment for one of the kids. We couldn't sign medical documents.  They asked for someone to come down that could sign AND stay for the appointment.  We were like, WTF, what do you want us to do?  Go grab Scott Walker and drag him with us? (we got our social worker's department head to show up eventually.)


Finally got to adopt our 9 year old twins and a 13 year old a little over a month ago.

That said:  This is a plead for anyone who is considering adopting children.  Please at least consider older kids.


You are awesome. l have a somewhat militant stance on adoption (check out my profile) and I genuinely applaud and thank you for your choice.  We need thousands more just like you.

Welcome to my favorites.  You have certainly earned it.
 
2013-10-08 02:07:20 AM  

skullkrusher: underaged kid can't get medical procedure without guardian's consent. We pretend that kids should be able to get medical procedures without parental consent but just this one time.


I'm honestly curious to hear you clarify this statement.  Are you for or against medical procedures for guardian's consent and why?

It's not supposed to be a trap.  I honestly have no idea how I feel and it's not just abortion.  What about a person who wants a sex change but their parents do not consent?  I have no idea what the guiding moral or belief is, so if you wanna share yours with me, I would be greatly appreciative.

Also, you're a dick.

See you can tell by that last part it's actually me.
 
2013-10-08 02:13:06 AM  
I'm officially BSABBFR.

Both sides are bad, but fark Republicans.

shiat like this is why.
 
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