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2013-10-07 06:47:40 PM

Best Princess Celestia: How the child was conceived


Personally I'd rule out Immaculate Conception.  But that's just me.
 
2013-10-07 06:48:10 PM
Well, I guess that's that. There's no way that a teenage girl in desperation could turn to a back-alley abortion or a literal clotheshanger, which would not only kill the fetus but likely cause permanent damage to herself as well. It's not like that's happened before when abortions were illegal.
 
Ant
2013-10-07 06:49:38 PM
This is appropriate to the discussion.
www.amptoons.com

We must punish women for having sex!
 
2013-10-07 06:49:55 PM

bindlestiff2600: BSABSVR: bindlestiff2600: Carn: And this worthless wanna-be child murderer will probably want welfare for the baby we force her to have.

worse case scenario
kid is kept
with a mothers - if only you were dead attitude and i never wanted you

serial killer of the future

Is this a poor attempt at haiku or are you mentally ill?

dear fellow - (so sorry if this does not fit what you like to believe)
worst possible parent
is one that makes it clear
they wish the child was dead

you on the other hand
seem to assume that children are immune to the effects of parents
that dont want them


Mentally ill.  Noted.
 
2013-10-07 07:16:40 PM

spman: I also feel that abortion is too simple a solution as well. There needs to be consequences for making dumb choices in life.


Maybe we should make her wear a scarlet A?

Christ.
 
2013-10-07 07:19:16 PM

BSABSVR: Mentally ill.  Noted.


But fun to run through Google Translate a few times.
Dust
Save the children
Parents - you are dead, and make

Serial killer next year

(Sorry, that's not what you think)
Parents are bad
Open
Want child has died

Conversely, non-African
Parents influence children without evidence
They do not want their
 
2013-10-07 07:20:03 PM

sprawl15: BSABSVR: Mentally ill.  Noted.

But fun to run through Google Translate a few times.Dust
Save the children
Parents - you are dead, and make

Serial killer next year

(Sorry, that's not what you think)
Parents are bad
Open
Want child has died

Conversely, non-African
Parents influence children without evidence
They do not want their


Best part... forever!
 
2013-10-07 07:22:07 PM
That's why we have grandma's.
 
2013-10-07 07:27:13 PM
Sorry about that, I didn't read the article. That's what adoption is for.
 
2013-10-07 07:29:55 PM

badhatharry: Sorry about that, I didn't read the article. That's what adoption is for.


Sorry about that. I didn't read the whole article. That's what foster grandma's are for.
 
2013-10-07 07:32:45 PM
I'm just in awe that the State Supreme Court here could make this ruling... on the one had she's old enough to:
- have sex
- know where babies come from
- not protect herself
- get pregnant
- know she doesn't want the baby
- seek to terminate and understand the ramifications

The "grown-ups" sitting on a bench have ruled that in spite of ALL of the above, she's not old enough to terminate and should carry the baby to term... this girl will be on the street with her baby. She'll be using even more of the precious funds that typically (not always) most GOP do not want her to use (there are lots of Dems in this boat with them, please don't misunderstand).

MIND BLOWN....
 
2013-10-07 07:34:35 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Or spend the 68 bucks to get a Grayhound ticket to a state that will help you with your little problem


At 16, she would be a considered a runaway.  I don't know if Greyhound would even sell her a ticket.
 
2013-10-07 07:35:31 PM

Bloody William: sprawl15: BSABSVR: Mentally ill.  Noted.

But fun to run through Google Translate a few times.Dust
Save the children
Parents - you are dead, and make

Serial killer next year

(Sorry, that's not what you think)
Parents are bad
Open
Want child has died

Conversely, non-African
Parents influence children without evidence
They do not want their

Best part... forever!


nice - good work guys
 
2013-10-07 07:40:57 PM
i43.tinypic.com
 
2013-10-07 07:43:48 PM

flondrix: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Or spend the 68 bucks to get a Grayhound ticket to a state that will help you with your little problem

At 16, she would be a considered a runaway.  I don't know if Greyhound would even sell her a ticket.


If we're not letting 16 year olds buy bus tickets, maybe they need some oversight on abortions too.
 
2013-10-07 07:44:53 PM

BSABSVR: spman: While I do think abortion would probably the best option for this girl, I also can't really muster a whole lot of sympathy for teenagers dumb enough to get pregnant in the first place, so I'm not really sure where I should direct my outrage.

I suppose I feel that while you shouldn't punish the unborn child by making it live its life in the same crummy upbringing it's mother did, and you shouldn't punish society by unleashing another ward onto the state, I also feel that abortion is too simple a solution as well. There needs to be consequences for making dumb choices in life. I understand that for many women, the abortion itself is the consequence, the mental and emotional toll that takes on you can very well haunt you for the rest of your life. On the other hand, the sad truth is that that's not always the case, some people are just cold and callous and think of having an abortion as nothing more than a simple outpatient procedure, and just another form of birth control.

Well, the end result is going to be terribly toxic for everyone involved, but at least a slut got her comeuppance.  Real big win there for you.  Congrats.


I like how not a word is spared for the outcome of this dumb teenager's consequence--the child who gets to spend 18 years as a product of her thoughtlessness. Because apparently nothing is more important than making the mother suffer for her sins, even if it means having another human being suffer along with her.

And this is way too important for trolls to be casting bait like this. If you're patting yourself on the back for getting a bite, hope you break your self-satisfied arm.
 
2013-10-07 07:47:13 PM

badhatharry: flondrix: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Or spend the 68 bucks to get a Grayhound ticket to a state that will help you with your little problem

At 16, she would be a considered a runaway.  I don't know if Greyhound would even sell her a ticket.

If we're not letting 16 year olds buy bus tickets, maybe they need some oversight on abortions too.


Because if she has an abortion she will totally ruin her life forever!
 
2013-10-07 07:50:43 PM
Gyrfalcon: ...think of having an abortion as nothing more than a simple outpatient procedure, and just another form of birth control.

Well, according to pesky facts, that's what an abortion actually is.
 
2013-10-07 07:52:01 PM

vrax: Gyrfalcon: ...think of having an abortion as nothing more than a simple outpatient procedure, and just another form of birth control.

Well, according to pesky facts, that's what an abortion actually is.


And I quoted the wrong person.  Sorry, Gyrfalcon.  Over to you BSABSVR!
 
2013-10-07 07:53:58 PM

vrax: vrax: Gyrfalcon: ...think of having an abortion as nothing more than a simple outpatient procedure, and just another form of birth control.

Well, according to pesky facts, that's what an abortion actually is.

And I quoted the wrong person.  Sorry, Gyrfalcon.  Over to you BSABSVR!


OH, FFS, spman!  Goddammit, my fail is strong today!
 
2013-10-07 07:54:13 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: I sear to Bob this isn't from the Onion:

Nebraska's Safe Haven Law:

Nebraska's safe haven has received the most publicity out of all safe haven programs, however, it is not because of all of the babies they were saving. Nebraska's safe haven law did not specify an age limit for which children could be dropped off, which resulted in 35 children being left for safe haven protection, most kids over age 10. Nebraska's safe haven law has since been revised to place an age limitation to protect only newborns, so that children over age 30 days old can not be dropped off.

Basically just leave the baby at the door step of any firehouse and walk away. Simple as that.

Or spend the 68 bucks to get a Grayhound ticket to a state that will help you with your little problem


One dad surrendered NINE kids at a hospital under this law. Ridiculous.
 
2013-10-07 08:00:14 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Or spend the 68 bucks to get a Grayhound ticket to a state that will help you with your little problem


I'm sure the foster family that she's worried will disown her if they find out she's pregnant would be fine with her taking a multi-day (this is Nebraska, don't kid yourself about how long it takes to leave Nebraska) out of state bus trip without any explanation.
 
2013-10-07 08:01:11 PM
Why do so many people hate babies? There is something seriously wrong with this country.
 
2013-10-07 08:08:08 PM

thurstonxhowell: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Or spend the 68 bucks to get a Grayhound ticket to a state that will help you with your little problem

I'm sure the foster family that she's worried will disown her if they find out she's pregnant would be fine with her taking a multi-day (this is Nebraska, don't kid yourself about how long it takes to leave Nebraska) out of state bus trip without any explanation.


All that really means is that she shouldn't ask them for permission.

Running away is basically her only winning play, here.
 
2013-10-07 08:13:52 PM

Best Princess Celestia: WippitGuud: crazydave023: We need that Jackie Chan "What" meme

[www.troll.me image 552x360]

Thank you.


How the child was conceived will determine my sympathy/ire for her though.


You're talking about the 16-year-old ward of the state, right?
 
2013-10-07 08:16:59 PM

China White Tea: thurstonxhowell: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Or spend the 68 bucks to get a Grayhound ticket to a state that will help you with your little problem

I'm sure the foster family that she's worried will disown her if they find out she's pregnant would be fine with her taking a multi-day (this is Nebraska, don't kid yourself about how long it takes to leave Nebraska) out of state bus trip without any explanation.

All that really means is that she shouldn't ask them for permission.

Running away is basically her only winning play, here.


Or she could ask her foster parents if she can stay and if they can help with the child. Then go to college, get a job, get married, have some more kids and live happily ever after.
 
2013-10-07 08:20:39 PM

Dalrint: After she's forced to shove the parasite out of her body, she should leave it on the judge's doorstep with a note indicating that he forced her to do it, so the baby is his problem.


It's seems you and Josef Mengele have a lot in common. http://lifedynamics.com/deathcamps/Holocaust1.cfm
 
2013-10-07 08:22:51 PM

spman: There needs to be consequences for making dumb choices in life.


When was the last time you saw a banker go to jail?
 
2013-10-07 08:23:01 PM
And another dusty troll account pops out. Seriously, what the fark is happening to Fark this last week?
 
2013-10-07 08:24:14 PM
 Noo they ruled she couldn't have an abortion because fark you, that's why.
Oh, and Jesus.
 
2013-10-07 08:27:18 PM
An abortion thread and a circumcision thread in the same evening.  Is it my birthday?
 
2013-10-07 08:33:08 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: I sear to Bob this isn't from the Onion:

Nebraska's Safe Haven Law:

Nebraska's safe haven has received the most publicity out of all safe haven programs, however, it is not because of all of the babies they were saving. Nebraska's safe haven law did not specify an age limit for which children could be dropped off, which resulted in 35 children being left for safe haven protection, most kids over age 10. Nebraska's safe haven law has since been revised to place an age limitation to protect only newborns, so that children over age 30 days old can not be dropped off.

Basically just leave the baby at the door step of any firehouse and walk away. Simple as that.

Or spend the 68 bucks to get a Grayhound ticket to a state that will help you with your little problem


Hell, yes we'll look after your babies if you drop them off at the firehouse.  What's wrong with that?

/CO
 
2013-10-07 08:33:20 PM

Bloody William: And another dusty troll account pops out. Seriously, what the fark is happening to Fark this last week?


Have you noticed a few of the more recent trolls disappeared around the same time the old ones popped back up?
 
2013-10-07 08:34:15 PM

grumpfuff: Have you noticed a few of the more recent trolls disappeared around the same time the old ones popped back up?


I'm wondering if some of the more recent ones got hit with the banhammer.
 
2013-10-07 08:35:52 PM

RedPhoenix122: grumpfuff: Have you noticed a few of the more recent trolls disappeared around the same time the old ones popped back up?

I'm wondering if some of the more recent ones got hit with the banhammer.


HAHAHAHAHAno.

It's more likely you'll get banned for harping on admitted trolls/alts being admitted trolls/alts than them getting banned. It just seems like there's a higher volume of more varied troll usernames active lately.
 
2013-10-07 08:36:43 PM

RedPhoenix122: grumpfuff: Have you noticed a few of the more recent trolls disappeared around the same time the old ones popped back up?

I'm wondering if some of the more recent ones got hit with the banhammer.


I doubt it. Trolls=clicks=profit.
 
2013-10-07 08:38:32 PM

grumpfuff: RedPhoenix122: grumpfuff: Have you noticed a few of the more recent trolls disappeared around the same time the old ones popped back up?

I'm wondering if some of the more recent ones got hit with the banhammer.

I doubt it. Trolls=clicks=profit.


Drew's kid(s) needs to go to a good college.
 
ecl
2013-10-07 08:39:16 PM

grumpfuff: RedPhoenix122: grumpfuff: Have you noticed a few of the more recent trolls disappeared around the same time the old ones popped back up?

I'm wondering if some of the more recent ones got hit with the banhammer.

I doubt it. Trolls=clicks=profit.


Silly Jesus will be back.
 
2013-10-07 08:41:47 PM

grumpfuff: RedPhoenix122: grumpfuff: Have you noticed a few of the more recent trolls disappeared around the same time the old ones popped back up?

I'm wondering if some of the more recent ones got hit with the banhammer.

I doubt it. Trolls=clicks=profit.


I can dream.
 
2013-10-07 08:44:40 PM

RedPhoenix122: I bet she's mature enough to kill herself when there's no way out for her.  By God I hope that doesn't happen.


I don't care either way. Stupid, self-absorbed, whore...

badhatharry: Why do so many people hate babies? There is something seriously wrong with this country.


Amen

RedPhoenix122: An abortion thread and a circumcision thread in the same evening.  Is it my birthday?


Yes, but there are enough trolls in here to demolish the bridge they live under... we don't need another. :P
 
2013-10-07 08:59:40 PM
If her parents were wealthy she could just get a "DNC", which would be covered up as a few weeks in Europe.
 
2013-10-07 09:10:30 PM

DeaH: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Or spend the 68 bucks to get a Grayhound ticket to a state that will help you with your little problem

How many kids in foster care have $68? How many states will provide an abortion to a 16-year-old without parental consent?


I wouldn't be surprised if they arrest her saying the reason is that she may leave the state to travel to another to get an abortion.
 
2013-10-07 09:11:40 PM

spman: While I do think abortion would probably the best option for this girl, I also can't really muster a whole lot of sympathy for teenagers dumb enough to get pregnant in the first place, so I'm not really sure where I should direct my outrage.

I suppose I feel that while you shouldn't punish the unborn child by making it live its life in the same crummy upbringing it's mother did, and you shouldn't punish society by unleashing another ward onto the state, I also feel that abortion is too simple a solution as well. There needs to be consequences for making dumb choices in life. I understand that for many women, the abortion itself is the consequence, the mental and emotional toll that takes on you can very well haunt you for the rest of your life. On the other hand, the sad truth is that that's not always the case, some people are just cold and callous and think of having an abortion as nothing more than a simple outpatient procedure, and just another form of birth control.


Yeah, and many of those people are the would-be fathers. How do you plan on punishing the man-sluts?

/have never known ANYONE who thought an expensive surgical procedure that is over-regulated by conservative government is "just another form of birth control".
 
2013-10-07 09:23:53 PM

Darth_Lukecash: A complete travesty. People pushing their religious beliefs on a young girl. She has no place to go.

And thanks to the conservative thought, they aren't going to take care of it.


You mean they won't allow adoptions or other families to raise these unwanted kids?  There will be no programs and entitlements to help out an unwed mom? This is a travesty indeed!

Obviously they have failed to push their beliefs on her otherwise she wouldn't be in this situation in the first place.
 
2013-10-07 09:26:06 PM

RedT: punishing the man-sluts


Fair and balanced and I'm not being sour-castic.
 
2013-10-07 09:28:29 PM
To all the slut shamers in this forum- and there are quite a few- take note of the total situation here. The girl first asked for the abortion at a hearing to terminate her parents' rights. In other words, this girl grew up in a very abusive household, one that she only recently was able to get away from. Girls in those sorts of situations generally are very high risk for getting pregnant. First, it's unlikely that she got anything in the way of real, reasonable sex education. Second, she was probably (even if subconsciously) looking for someone to love her, and was thus VERY vulnerable to getting involved with boys whose motives are not exactly pure. This is a girl who has been failed many times by many different people who were supposed to love her, care for her, nurture her, and teach her to do the same. Then, she's likely been failed many times by the courts, by social workers who mean well but are overburdened because politicians think they cost too much, and all sorts of other folks. They even, apparently, placed her in a foster home that would be likely to turn her out for getting an abortion, or even just for becoming pregnant. IMO, people like that have no business being actual parents, let alone FOSTER parents. This is a girl who very clearly needs help, and for once, seems to have the mental faculties and determination necessary to try and get said help, and yet, the state keeps slamming the door in her face. Quit being heartless bastards, just this once.

And DON'T "welcome to fark" me. I guarantee you I've probably been on here longer than you have.
 
2013-10-07 09:28:34 PM
Society has failed this young woman repeatedly.
Her parents were physically abusive. This is a proven fact. The state doesn't dissolve parental rights lightly.
She was placed with a foster family who hold strong religious beliefs and faced a State Supreme Court with strong religious beliefs and has been denied her constitutional rights as guaranteed by Roe v Wade because she was deemed by the court to be too immature to make a decision to have an abortion.
That decision, 5-2, was handed down by, let's face it, a bunch of old, white, men who should never ever have any say about women's reproductive rights. Men should never have a say about those matters, IMO, because they don't share the burden of the consequences of their actions.
This young woman, Anonymous 5 (which would make a great name for a rock band or a Japanese Anime Super Villain or possibly a robot) has been screwed, blued and tattooed by the religious right in Nebraska.
She went looking for help, physically abused, in trouble, hurting, and the government of Nebraska decided to deny her her rights and ruin her slim chances at leading a normal life.
Any article about 'compassionate conservatism' should mention Anonymous 5.
 
2013-10-07 09:30:58 PM

badhatharry: If we're not letting 16 year olds buy bus tickets, maybe they need some oversight on abortions too.


So you're volunteering to adopt her child? Noted.
 
2013-10-07 09:43:35 PM
A quick search of the Googles shows an average price for the abortion procedure to be $500. Half a grand. So that kinda kicks it out of the "cheap and easy method of birth control" column.

Gotta wonder where Baby Daddy is during all this commotion. Getting ready for the Homecoming Game?
 
2013-10-07 09:44:00 PM

Headso: So instead, this immature young woman who does not want a baby will become a mother. Everyone wins.

Maybe she can seek out an abortion by other means, if you can't get a safe one done by professionals maybe there's another way you could achieve the same goal.


Abortion by police
 
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