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2013-10-07 04:36:07 PM  
I bet she's mature enough to kill herself when there's no way out for her.  By God I hope that doesn't happen.
 
2013-10-07 04:36:38 PM  
A complete travesty. People pushing their religious beliefs on a young girl. She has no place to go.

And thanks to the conservative thought, they aren't going to take care of it.
 
2013-10-07 04:41:46 PM  
Too bad she's not rich - she could go to a state that doesn't suck to get one.
 
2013-10-07 04:42:44 PM  
But 16 year-olds can get an abortion in the same manner they can buy a car -- with parental consent.
 
2013-10-07 04:42:56 PM  
Since she's in Nebraska, can't she just drop the baby off on the judge's bench, no questions asked, and the state will accept the kid?
 
2013-10-07 04:46:38 PM  
And this worthless wanna-be child murderer will probably want welfare for the baby we force her to have.
 
2013-10-07 05:21:22 PM  
After she's forced to shove the parasite out of her body, she should leave it on the judge's doorstep with a note indicating that he forced her to do it, so the baby is his problem.
 
2013-10-07 05:21:25 PM  
We need that Jackie Chan "What" meme
 
2013-10-07 05:23:40 PM  
 So instead, this immature young woman who does not want a baby will become a mother. Everyone wins.

Maybe she can seek out an abortion by other means, if you can't get a safe one done by professionals maybe there's another way you could achieve the same goal.
 
2013-10-07 05:24:40 PM  

minoridiot: But 16 year-olds can get an abortion in the same manner they can buy a car -- with parental consent.


The girl is a ward of the state. So she asked the state and they decided that she was too immature to get an abortion but mature enough to be a mom.
 
2013-10-07 05:24:49 PM  
I'm at a loss for words.

Even if the state doesn't make her keep it (wow, that sounds fu*ked up), she will know her child is growing up in the same crappy foster system she's been living in.

That sucks.
 
2013-10-07 05:26:13 PM  
Start of the article: ...Nebraska Supreme Court...

Middle of article: ...Supreme Court...

Note to "journalist", 'Supreme Court' is not shorthand for 'State Supreme Court'.

/and I'll put my commas where I like them because, while incorrect, they do not confuse the situation
//pet peeve
 
2013-10-07 05:30:01 PM  

RedPhoenix122: I bet she's mature enough to killabort herself when there's no way out for her.  By God I hope that doesn't happen.

 
2013-10-07 05:30:33 PM  

crazydave023: We need that Jackie Chan "What" meme


www.troll.me
 
2013-10-07 05:30:47 PM  
I sear to Bob this isn't from the Onion:

Nebraska's Safe Haven Law:

Nebraska's safe haven has received the most publicity out of all safe haven programs, however, it is not because of all of the babies they were saving. Nebraska's safe haven law did not specify an age limit for which children could be dropped off, which resulted in 35 children being left for safe haven protection, most kids over age 10. Nebraska's safe haven law has since been revised to place an age limitation to protect only newborns, so that children over age 30 days old can not be dropped off.

Basically just leave the baby at the door step of any firehouse and walk away. Simple as that.

Or spend the 68 bucks to get a Grayhound ticket to a state that will help you with your little problem
 
2013-10-07 05:32:01 PM  

odinsposse: minoridiot: But 16 year-olds can get an abortion in the same manner they can buy a car -- with parental consent.

The girl is a ward of the state. So she asked the state and they decided that she was too immature to get an abortion but mature enough to be a mom.


How much you wanna bet they'll make it as difficult as possible to get welfare on top of it?
 
2013-10-07 05:32:45 PM  
Generally I'd wonder what the SCOTUS would have to say, but with this bunch I have a feeling there'll be some kind of whargarble about the rights of the state and basically nothing.
 
2013-10-07 05:33:20 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Or spend the 68 bucks to get a Grayhound ticket to a state that will help you with your little problem


How many kids in foster care have $68? How many states will provide an abortion to a 16-year-old without parental consent?
 
2013-10-07 05:38:54 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: A complete travesty. People pushing their religious beliefs on a young girl. She has no place to go.

And thanks to the conservative thought, they aren't going to take care of it.


I'm hoping 'across state lines' is an option for her. Of course, the adult who drives her there will be charged with kidnapping for taking a minor out of the state.

Headso: Maybe she can seek out an abortion by other means, if you can't get a safe one done by professionals maybe there's another way you could achieve the same goal.


What are you talking about?  No one has ever gotten an abortion illegally. That kind of thing just doesn't happen. There's absolutely no possibility a desperate pregnant 16-year-old in the adoption system after being raised by abusive parents and subsequently failed by that system would ever seek out and perform a criminal act.
 
2013-10-07 05:39:28 PM  
I submitted this with a nearly identical headline . . . two days ago. :-(
 
2013-10-07 05:42:13 PM  
She can drop it off the Tallahassee Bridge.
 
2013-10-07 05:42:14 PM  

Flappyhead: odinsposse: minoridiot: But 16 year-olds can get an abortion in the same manner they can buy a car -- with parental consent.

The girl is a ward of the state. So she asked the state and they decided that she was too immature to get an abortion but mature enough to be a mom.

How much you wanna bet they'll make it as difficult as possible to get welfare on top of it?


I don't make bets I know I'll lose.
 
2013-10-07 05:44:19 PM  

AMonkey'sUncle: She can drop it off the Tallahassee Bridge.


Ding dang ni-bong autocorrect. Tallahatchie.
 
2013-10-07 05:45:45 PM  
Anti-abortionists don't gave a shiat about what happens to the child once it is born?

Quick, Robin. To the Romero-mobile at once!
 
2013-10-07 05:53:09 PM  

odinsposse: minoridiot: But 16 year-olds can get an abortion in the same manner they can buy a car -- with parental consent.

The girl is a ward of the state. So she asked the state and they decided that she was too immature to get an abortion but mature enough to be a mom.


Being a ward of the state is just a bad place to be.  While waiting for the TPR appeals process to be over, we had a specialist appointment for one of the kids. We couldn't sign medical documents.  They asked for someone to come down that could sign AND stay for the appointment.  We were like, WTF, what do you want us to do?  Go grab Scott Walker and drag him with us? (we got our social worker's department head to show up eventually.)


Finally got to adopt our 9 year old twins and a 13 year old a little over a month ago.

That said:  This is a plead for anyone who is considering adopting children.  Please at least consider older kids.
 
2013-10-07 05:57:05 PM  

WippitGuud: crazydave023: We need that Jackie Chan "What" meme

[www.troll.me image 552x360]


Thank you.


How the child was conceived will determine my sympathy/ire for her though.
 
2013-10-07 05:57:55 PM  

DeaH: How many kids in foster care have $68? How many states will provide an abortion to a 16-year-old without parental consent?


68 bucks will get you anywhere in the nation. I'm sure you can find one.

If she doesn't have the money for the abortion then it's a moot point.
 
2013-10-07 05:58:04 PM  

DeaH: How many kids in foster care have $68?


My understanding is that anyone who relies on government support is rich.  She probably has a spinning Obamaphone made out of lobster that she picked up at Planned Parenthood.

/Also if Anonymous 5 is black, she talks in a weird form of Ebonics that cannot be heard except by upper-middle class white people.
 
2013-10-07 06:00:16 PM  
While I do think abortion would probably the best option for this girl, I also can't really muster a whole lot of sympathy for teenagers dumb enough to get pregnant in the first place, so I'm not really sure where I should direct my outrage.

I suppose I feel that while you shouldn't punish the unborn child by making it live its life in the same crummy upbringing it's mother did, and you shouldn't punish society by unleashing another ward onto the state, I also feel that abortion is too simple a solution as well. There needs to be consequences for making dumb choices in life. I understand that for many women, the abortion itself is the consequence, the mental and emotional toll that takes on you can very well haunt you for the rest of your life. On the other hand, the sad truth is that that's not always the case, some people are just cold and callous and think of having an abortion as nothing more than a simple outpatient procedure, and just another form of birth control.
 
2013-10-07 06:05:42 PM  

spman: While I do think abortion would probably the best option for this girl, I also can't really muster a whole lot of sympathy for teenagers dumb enough to get pregnant in the first place, so I'm not really sure where I should direct my outrage.



Do you honestly believe this child had any physical/sexualeducation other than perhaps "abstinence only!"?  As a foster child? In Nebraska?  They aren't all dumb, many are purposefully misinformed.
 
2013-10-07 06:06:44 PM  

Petey4335: odinsposse: minoridiot: But 16 year-olds can get an abortion in the same manner they can buy a car -- with parental consent.

The girl is a ward of the state. So she asked the state and they decided that she was too immature to get an abortion but mature enough to be a mom.

Being a ward of the state is just a bad place to be.  While waiting for the TPR appeals process to be over, we had a specialist appointment for one of the kids. We couldn't sign medical documents.  They asked for someone to come down that could sign AND stay for the appointment.  We were like, WTF, what do you want us to do?  Go grab Scott Walker and drag him with us? (we got our social worker's department head to show up eventually.)


Finally got to adopt our 9 year old twins and a 13 year old a little over a month ago.

That said:  This is a plead for anyone who is considering adopting children.  Please at least consider older kids.

Best wishes to you with your new family.  And that's great advice for FARK'ers to consider older chilldren for adoption.  Like older animals in need of a home, older children are usually the last considered since most want infants and young children (and most want puppies and kittens who are seeking out a pet for adoption over an older dog or cat)

 
2013-10-07 06:08:57 PM  

Carn: And this worthless wanna-be child murderer will probably want welfare for the baby we force her to have.


worse case scenario
kid is kept
with a mothers - if only you were dead attitude and i never wanted you

serial killer of the future
 
2013-10-07 06:17:45 PM  
Nebraska rules 16-year-old girl too immature to get abortion, plenty mature to raise a child is property of the State and can be forced to have its children.

FTFYS

/Nazis. Always, always ready to Godwin a thread
 
2013-10-07 06:18:46 PM  

bindlestiff2600: Carn: And this worthless wanna-be child murderer will probably want welfare for the baby we force her to have.

worse case scenario
kid is kept
with a mothers - if only you were dead attitude and i never wanted you

serial killer of the future


Is this a poor attempt at haiku or are you mentally ill?
 
2013-10-07 06:20:14 PM  

spman: While I do think abortion would probably the best option for this girl, I also can't really muster a whole lot of sympathy for teenagers dumb enough to get pregnant in the first place, so I'm not really sure where I should direct my outrage.

I suppose I feel that while you shouldn't punish the unborn child by making it live its life in the same crummy upbringing it's mother did, and you shouldn't punish society by unleashing another ward onto the state, I also feel that abortion is too simple a solution as well. There needs to be consequences for making dumb choices in life. I understand that for many women, the abortion itself is the consequence, the mental and emotional toll that takes on you can very well haunt you for the rest of your life. On the other hand, the sad truth is that that's not always the case, some people are just cold and callous and think of having an abortion as nothing more than a simple outpatient procedure, and just another form of birth control.


Well, the end result is going to be terribly toxic for everyone involved, but at least a slut got her comeuppance.  Real big win there for you.  Congrats.
 
2013-10-07 06:24:35 PM  

odinsposse: minoridiot: But 16 year-olds can get an abortion in the same manner they can buy a car -- with parental consent.

The girl is a ward of the state. So she asked the state and they decided that she was too immature to get an abortion but mature enough to be a mom.


Maybe she can file for legal emancipation?
 
2013-10-07 06:25:20 PM  
There's no contradiction here. She's too immature now, but in a few months she'll be lot more maturer.
 
2013-10-07 06:25:32 PM  

spman: ... [words] ... some people are just cold and callous ... [words] ...


spman, meet mirror. Mirror meet spman.
 
2013-10-07 06:27:17 PM  

BSABSVR: bindlestiff2600: Carn: And this worthless wanna-be child murderer will probably want welfare for the baby we force her to have.

worse case scenario
kid is kept
with a mothers - if only you were dead attitude and i never wanted you

serial killer of the future

Is this a poor attempt at haiku or are you mentally ill?

dear fellow - (so sorry if this does not fit what you like to believe)
worst possible parent
is one that makes it clear
they wish the child was dead

you on the other hand
seem to assume that children are immune to the effects of parents
that dont want them

 
2013-10-07 06:28:12 PM  
just another disgusting judicial ruling, stay classy Nebraska.
 
2013-10-07 06:29:43 PM  
I hear she is taking up new hobbies, like MMA, kickboxing, weightlifting, etc.  I certainly hope that doesn't cause her to miscarry.
 
2013-10-07 06:29:56 PM  
I'm sure the anti choice people don't want her on SNAP our section 8 after the baby comes either. They'd rather just stand in front of planned parenthood in Lincoln with signs and stern looks rather than make a real difference and look down on people judgmentally.
 
2013-10-07 06:31:33 PM  

i1089.photobucket.com

 
Ant
2013-10-07 06:35:05 PM  
And she damn well better not ask for welfare when she's raising that baby we made her carry to term. She should've thought about that before she got pregnant!
 
2013-10-07 06:36:09 PM  

Donnchadha: Since she's in Nebraska, can't she just drop the baby off on the judge's bench, no questions asked, and the state will accept the kid?


No, no, no. That's no good. She has to be able to kill the baby. Just giving it up for adoption if she's not mature enough to raise it isn't good enough.

/this is only half troll. I'm still pro choice even though most pro choice whiny arguments are bullshiat.
 
2013-10-07 06:36:31 PM  
A girl mature enough to emancipate herself from abusive parents and to wade through the legal wranglings of the family court system isn't considered mature?

Most people who do that have law degrees.
 
Ant
2013-10-07 06:43:31 PM  

Best Princess Celestia: How the child was conceived will determine my sympathy/ire for her though.


Why? Who gives a shiat? She's 16.
 
2013-10-07 06:43:42 PM  

spman: While I do think abortion would probably the best option for this girl, I also can't really muster a whole lot of sympathy for teenagers dumb enough to get pregnant in the first place, so I'm not really sure where I should direct my outrage.

I suppose I feel that while you shouldn't punish the unborn child by making it live its life in the same crummy upbringing it's mother did, and you shouldn't punish society by unleashing another ward onto the state, I also feel that abortion is too simple a solution as well. There needs to be consequences for making dumb choices in life. I understand that for many women, the abortion itself is the consequence, the mental and emotional toll that takes on you can very well haunt you for the rest of your life. On the other hand, the sad truth is that that's not always the case, some people are just cold and callous and think of having an abortion as nothing more than a simple outpatient procedure, and just another form of birth control.


Well, we're all glad to hear that you think abortion should be legalized - but only in the cases where you think the woman is sufficiently guilty.

You're the kind of moron that gets thinks like ultrasound rape wanding written into law.  Shame those sluts into motherhood - that'll show 'em!
 
2013-10-07 06:44:30 PM  
I'll take her to a theme park and we will ride roller coasters for 12 hours. Then it's on to the kickboxing tournament.
 
2013-10-07 06:47:37 PM  

Petey4335: odinsposse: minoridiot: But 16 year-olds can get an abortion in the same manner they can buy a car -- with parental consent.

The girl is a ward of the state. So she asked the state and they decided that she was too immature to get an abortion but mature enough to be a mom.

Being a ward of the state is just a bad place to be.  While waiting for the TPR appeals process to be over, we had a specialist appointment for one of the kids. We couldn't sign medical documents.  They asked for someone to come down that could sign AND stay for the appointment.  We were like, WTF, what do you want us to do?  Go grab Scott Walker and drag him with us? (we got our social worker's department head to show up eventually.)


Finally got to adopt our 9 year old twins and a 13 year old a little over a month ago.

That said:  This is a plead for anyone who is considering adopting children.  Please at least consider older kids.


congrats.

I decided a long time ago (when I was in middle school) I was only going to adopt.  Since I'm now at the age my Mom had me and I'm not planning on adopting a kid in the very near future, I figure I'll just adopt a kid who was born around 2013, even if that's 5 to 15 years from now.

But seriously, this.

Karac: A girl mature enough to emancipate herself from abusive parents and to wade through the legal wranglings of the family court system isn't considered mature?

Most people who do that have law degrees.


And they aren't always successful.  Seriously, this.

She worried that she didn't have the financial resources to support a child or to be "the right mom that I would like to be right now."
...
Since Anonymous 5 is a ward of the State Department of Health and Human Services-she actually requested the abortion at the confidential hearing dissolving the parental rights of her biological mother and father, who were physically abusive-she doesn't have anyone to grant her consent. "
...
Either way, at her hearing, the young woman said she did not want to involve her foster family because they held strong religious beliefs-she feared that if they found out about her pregnancy, she'd lose her placement.


Goddamn.  Just... godf--kingdammit.

At least she seems pretty resilient.  But if she's in a foster family that's actually decent other than that... and this stupid f--king BS causes her to get kicked out of there... Christ.

Here's hoping she doesn't give up fighting, somehow.  Wish she wasn't anonymous so someone could set up a college fund for her (although I understand why she is).  It seems like she's doing all she can to claw her way out into a better life and just... f--k.  A stupid mistake.  That teens are very wont to do.  And I'd wager dollars to donuts there was no type of respectable sex ed provided  to her.

/goddammit
//guess I'll donate http://www.guttmacher.org/  there instead.
 
2013-10-07 06:47:40 PM  

Best Princess Celestia: How the child was conceived


Personally I'd rule out Immaculate Conception.  But that's just me.
 
2013-10-07 06:48:10 PM  
Well, I guess that's that. There's no way that a teenage girl in desperation could turn to a back-alley abortion or a literal clotheshanger, which would not only kill the fetus but likely cause permanent damage to herself as well. It's not like that's happened before when abortions were illegal.
 
Ant
2013-10-07 06:49:38 PM  
This is appropriate to the discussion.
www.amptoons.com

We must punish women for having sex!
 
2013-10-07 06:49:55 PM  

bindlestiff2600: BSABSVR: bindlestiff2600: Carn: And this worthless wanna-be child murderer will probably want welfare for the baby we force her to have.

worse case scenario
kid is kept
with a mothers - if only you were dead attitude and i never wanted you

serial killer of the future

Is this a poor attempt at haiku or are you mentally ill?

dear fellow - (so sorry if this does not fit what you like to believe)
worst possible parent
is one that makes it clear
they wish the child was dead

you on the other hand
seem to assume that children are immune to the effects of parents
that dont want them


Mentally ill.  Noted.
 
2013-10-07 07:16:40 PM  

spman: I also feel that abortion is too simple a solution as well. There needs to be consequences for making dumb choices in life.


Maybe we should make her wear a scarlet A?

Christ.
 
2013-10-07 07:19:16 PM  

BSABSVR: Mentally ill.  Noted.


But fun to run through Google Translate a few times.
Dust
Save the children
Parents - you are dead, and make

Serial killer next year

(Sorry, that's not what you think)
Parents are bad
Open
Want child has died

Conversely, non-African
Parents influence children without evidence
They do not want their
 
2013-10-07 07:20:03 PM  

sprawl15: BSABSVR: Mentally ill.  Noted.

But fun to run through Google Translate a few times.Dust
Save the children
Parents - you are dead, and make

Serial killer next year

(Sorry, that's not what you think)
Parents are bad
Open
Want child has died

Conversely, non-African
Parents influence children without evidence
They do not want their


Best part... forever!
 
2013-10-07 07:22:07 PM  
That's why we have grandma's.
 
2013-10-07 07:27:13 PM  
Sorry about that, I didn't read the article. That's what adoption is for.
 
2013-10-07 07:29:55 PM  

badhatharry: Sorry about that, I didn't read the article. That's what adoption is for.


Sorry about that. I didn't read the whole article. That's what foster grandma's are for.
 
2013-10-07 07:32:45 PM  
I'm just in awe that the State Supreme Court here could make this ruling... on the one had she's old enough to:
- have sex
- know where babies come from
- not protect herself
- get pregnant
- know she doesn't want the baby
- seek to terminate and understand the ramifications

The "grown-ups" sitting on a bench have ruled that in spite of ALL of the above, she's not old enough to terminate and should carry the baby to term... this girl will be on the street with her baby. She'll be using even more of the precious funds that typically (not always) most GOP do not want her to use (there are lots of Dems in this boat with them, please don't misunderstand).

MIND BLOWN....
 
2013-10-07 07:34:35 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Or spend the 68 bucks to get a Grayhound ticket to a state that will help you with your little problem


At 16, she would be a considered a runaway.  I don't know if Greyhound would even sell her a ticket.
 
2013-10-07 07:35:31 PM  

Bloody William: sprawl15: BSABSVR: Mentally ill.  Noted.

But fun to run through Google Translate a few times.Dust
Save the children
Parents - you are dead, and make

Serial killer next year

(Sorry, that's not what you think)
Parents are bad
Open
Want child has died

Conversely, non-African
Parents influence children without evidence
They do not want their

Best part... forever!


nice - good work guys
 
2013-10-07 07:40:57 PM  
i43.tinypic.com
 
2013-10-07 07:43:48 PM  

flondrix: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Or spend the 68 bucks to get a Grayhound ticket to a state that will help you with your little problem

At 16, she would be a considered a runaway.  I don't know if Greyhound would even sell her a ticket.


If we're not letting 16 year olds buy bus tickets, maybe they need some oversight on abortions too.
 
2013-10-07 07:44:53 PM  

BSABSVR: spman: While I do think abortion would probably the best option for this girl, I also can't really muster a whole lot of sympathy for teenagers dumb enough to get pregnant in the first place, so I'm not really sure where I should direct my outrage.

I suppose I feel that while you shouldn't punish the unborn child by making it live its life in the same crummy upbringing it's mother did, and you shouldn't punish society by unleashing another ward onto the state, I also feel that abortion is too simple a solution as well. There needs to be consequences for making dumb choices in life. I understand that for many women, the abortion itself is the consequence, the mental and emotional toll that takes on you can very well haunt you for the rest of your life. On the other hand, the sad truth is that that's not always the case, some people are just cold and callous and think of having an abortion as nothing more than a simple outpatient procedure, and just another form of birth control.

Well, the end result is going to be terribly toxic for everyone involved, but at least a slut got her comeuppance.  Real big win there for you.  Congrats.


I like how not a word is spared for the outcome of this dumb teenager's consequence--the child who gets to spend 18 years as a product of her thoughtlessness. Because apparently nothing is more important than making the mother suffer for her sins, even if it means having another human being suffer along with her.

And this is way too important for trolls to be casting bait like this. If you're patting yourself on the back for getting a bite, hope you break your self-satisfied arm.
 
2013-10-07 07:47:13 PM  

badhatharry: flondrix: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Or spend the 68 bucks to get a Grayhound ticket to a state that will help you with your little problem

At 16, she would be a considered a runaway.  I don't know if Greyhound would even sell her a ticket.

If we're not letting 16 year olds buy bus tickets, maybe they need some oversight on abortions too.


Because if she has an abortion she will totally ruin her life forever!
 
2013-10-07 07:50:43 PM  
Gyrfalcon: ...think of having an abortion as nothing more than a simple outpatient procedure, and just another form of birth control.

Well, according to pesky facts, that's what an abortion actually is.
 
2013-10-07 07:52:01 PM  

vrax: Gyrfalcon: ...think of having an abortion as nothing more than a simple outpatient procedure, and just another form of birth control.

Well, according to pesky facts, that's what an abortion actually is.


And I quoted the wrong person.  Sorry, Gyrfalcon.  Over to you BSABSVR!
 
2013-10-07 07:53:58 PM  

vrax: vrax: Gyrfalcon: ...think of having an abortion as nothing more than a simple outpatient procedure, and just another form of birth control.

Well, according to pesky facts, that's what an abortion actually is.

And I quoted the wrong person.  Sorry, Gyrfalcon.  Over to you BSABSVR!


OH, FFS, spman!  Goddammit, my fail is strong today!
 
2013-10-07 07:54:13 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: I sear to Bob this isn't from the Onion:

Nebraska's Safe Haven Law:

Nebraska's safe haven has received the most publicity out of all safe haven programs, however, it is not because of all of the babies they were saving. Nebraska's safe haven law did not specify an age limit for which children could be dropped off, which resulted in 35 children being left for safe haven protection, most kids over age 10. Nebraska's safe haven law has since been revised to place an age limitation to protect only newborns, so that children over age 30 days old can not be dropped off.

Basically just leave the baby at the door step of any firehouse and walk away. Simple as that.

Or spend the 68 bucks to get a Grayhound ticket to a state that will help you with your little problem


One dad surrendered NINE kids at a hospital under this law. Ridiculous.
 
2013-10-07 08:00:14 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Or spend the 68 bucks to get a Grayhound ticket to a state that will help you with your little problem


I'm sure the foster family that she's worried will disown her if they find out she's pregnant would be fine with her taking a multi-day (this is Nebraska, don't kid yourself about how long it takes to leave Nebraska) out of state bus trip without any explanation.
 
2013-10-07 08:01:11 PM  
Why do so many people hate babies? There is something seriously wrong with this country.
 
2013-10-07 08:08:08 PM  

thurstonxhowell: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Or spend the 68 bucks to get a Grayhound ticket to a state that will help you with your little problem

I'm sure the foster family that she's worried will disown her if they find out she's pregnant would be fine with her taking a multi-day (this is Nebraska, don't kid yourself about how long it takes to leave Nebraska) out of state bus trip without any explanation.


All that really means is that she shouldn't ask them for permission.

Running away is basically her only winning play, here.
 
2013-10-07 08:13:52 PM  

Best Princess Celestia: WippitGuud: crazydave023: We need that Jackie Chan "What" meme

[www.troll.me image 552x360]

Thank you.


How the child was conceived will determine my sympathy/ire for her though.


You're talking about the 16-year-old ward of the state, right?
 
2013-10-07 08:16:59 PM  

China White Tea: thurstonxhowell: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Or spend the 68 bucks to get a Grayhound ticket to a state that will help you with your little problem

I'm sure the foster family that she's worried will disown her if they find out she's pregnant would be fine with her taking a multi-day (this is Nebraska, don't kid yourself about how long it takes to leave Nebraska) out of state bus trip without any explanation.

All that really means is that she shouldn't ask them for permission.

Running away is basically her only winning play, here.


Or she could ask her foster parents if she can stay and if they can help with the child. Then go to college, get a job, get married, have some more kids and live happily ever after.
 
2013-10-07 08:20:39 PM  

Dalrint: After she's forced to shove the parasite out of her body, she should leave it on the judge's doorstep with a note indicating that he forced her to do it, so the baby is his problem.


It's seems you and Josef Mengele have a lot in common. http://lifedynamics.com/deathcamps/Holocaust1.cfm
 
2013-10-07 08:22:51 PM  

spman: There needs to be consequences for making dumb choices in life.


When was the last time you saw a banker go to jail?
 
2013-10-07 08:23:01 PM  
And another dusty troll account pops out. Seriously, what the fark is happening to Fark this last week?
 
2013-10-07 08:24:14 PM  
 Noo they ruled she couldn't have an abortion because fark you, that's why.
Oh, and Jesus.
 
2013-10-07 08:27:18 PM  
An abortion thread and a circumcision thread in the same evening.  Is it my birthday?
 
2013-10-07 08:33:08 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: I sear to Bob this isn't from the Onion:

Nebraska's Safe Haven Law:

Nebraska's safe haven has received the most publicity out of all safe haven programs, however, it is not because of all of the babies they were saving. Nebraska's safe haven law did not specify an age limit for which children could be dropped off, which resulted in 35 children being left for safe haven protection, most kids over age 10. Nebraska's safe haven law has since been revised to place an age limitation to protect only newborns, so that children over age 30 days old can not be dropped off.

Basically just leave the baby at the door step of any firehouse and walk away. Simple as that.

Or spend the 68 bucks to get a Grayhound ticket to a state that will help you with your little problem


Hell, yes we'll look after your babies if you drop them off at the firehouse.  What's wrong with that?

/CO
 
2013-10-07 08:33:20 PM  

Bloody William: And another dusty troll account pops out. Seriously, what the fark is happening to Fark this last week?


Have you noticed a few of the more recent trolls disappeared around the same time the old ones popped back up?
 
2013-10-07 08:34:15 PM  

grumpfuff: Have you noticed a few of the more recent trolls disappeared around the same time the old ones popped back up?


I'm wondering if some of the more recent ones got hit with the banhammer.
 
2013-10-07 08:35:52 PM  

RedPhoenix122: grumpfuff: Have you noticed a few of the more recent trolls disappeared around the same time the old ones popped back up?

I'm wondering if some of the more recent ones got hit with the banhammer.


HAHAHAHAHAno.

It's more likely you'll get banned for harping on admitted trolls/alts being admitted trolls/alts than them getting banned. It just seems like there's a higher volume of more varied troll usernames active lately.
 
2013-10-07 08:36:43 PM  

RedPhoenix122: grumpfuff: Have you noticed a few of the more recent trolls disappeared around the same time the old ones popped back up?

I'm wondering if some of the more recent ones got hit with the banhammer.


I doubt it. Trolls=clicks=profit.
 
2013-10-07 08:38:32 PM  

grumpfuff: RedPhoenix122: grumpfuff: Have you noticed a few of the more recent trolls disappeared around the same time the old ones popped back up?

I'm wondering if some of the more recent ones got hit with the banhammer.

I doubt it. Trolls=clicks=profit.


Drew's kid(s) needs to go to a good college.
 
ecl [BareFark]
2013-10-07 08:39:16 PM  

grumpfuff: RedPhoenix122: grumpfuff: Have you noticed a few of the more recent trolls disappeared around the same time the old ones popped back up?

I'm wondering if some of the more recent ones got hit with the banhammer.

I doubt it. Trolls=clicks=profit.


Silly Jesus will be back.
 
2013-10-07 08:41:47 PM  

grumpfuff: RedPhoenix122: grumpfuff: Have you noticed a few of the more recent trolls disappeared around the same time the old ones popped back up?

I'm wondering if some of the more recent ones got hit with the banhammer.

I doubt it. Trolls=clicks=profit.


I can dream.
 
2013-10-07 08:44:40 PM  

RedPhoenix122: I bet she's mature enough to kill herself when there's no way out for her.  By God I hope that doesn't happen.


I don't care either way. Stupid, self-absorbed, whore...

badhatharry: Why do so many people hate babies? There is something seriously wrong with this country.


Amen

RedPhoenix122: An abortion thread and a circumcision thread in the same evening.  Is it my birthday?


Yes, but there are enough trolls in here to demolish the bridge they live under... we don't need another. :P
 
2013-10-07 08:59:40 PM  
If her parents were wealthy she could just get a "DNC", which would be covered up as a few weeks in Europe.
 
2013-10-07 09:10:30 PM  

DeaH: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Or spend the 68 bucks to get a Grayhound ticket to a state that will help you with your little problem

How many kids in foster care have $68? How many states will provide an abortion to a 16-year-old without parental consent?


I wouldn't be surprised if they arrest her saying the reason is that she may leave the state to travel to another to get an abortion.
 
2013-10-07 09:11:40 PM  

spman: While I do think abortion would probably the best option for this girl, I also can't really muster a whole lot of sympathy for teenagers dumb enough to get pregnant in the first place, so I'm not really sure where I should direct my outrage.

I suppose I feel that while you shouldn't punish the unborn child by making it live its life in the same crummy upbringing it's mother did, and you shouldn't punish society by unleashing another ward onto the state, I also feel that abortion is too simple a solution as well. There needs to be consequences for making dumb choices in life. I understand that for many women, the abortion itself is the consequence, the mental and emotional toll that takes on you can very well haunt you for the rest of your life. On the other hand, the sad truth is that that's not always the case, some people are just cold and callous and think of having an abortion as nothing more than a simple outpatient procedure, and just another form of birth control.


Yeah, and many of those people are the would-be fathers. How do you plan on punishing the man-sluts?

/have never known ANYONE who thought an expensive surgical procedure that is over-regulated by conservative government is "just another form of birth control".
 
2013-10-07 09:23:53 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: A complete travesty. People pushing their religious beliefs on a young girl. She has no place to go.

And thanks to the conservative thought, they aren't going to take care of it.


You mean they won't allow adoptions or other families to raise these unwanted kids?  There will be no programs and entitlements to help out an unwed mom? This is a travesty indeed!

Obviously they have failed to push their beliefs on her otherwise she wouldn't be in this situation in the first place.
 
2013-10-07 09:26:06 PM  

RedT: punishing the man-sluts


Fair and balanced and I'm not being sour-castic.
 
2013-10-07 09:28:29 PM  
To all the slut shamers in this forum- and there are quite a few- take note of the total situation here. The girl first asked for the abortion at a hearing to terminate her parents' rights. In other words, this girl grew up in a very abusive household, one that she only recently was able to get away from. Girls in those sorts of situations generally are very high risk for getting pregnant. First, it's unlikely that she got anything in the way of real, reasonable sex education. Second, she was probably (even if subconsciously) looking for someone to love her, and was thus VERY vulnerable to getting involved with boys whose motives are not exactly pure. This is a girl who has been failed many times by many different people who were supposed to love her, care for her, nurture her, and teach her to do the same. Then, she's likely been failed many times by the courts, by social workers who mean well but are overburdened because politicians think they cost too much, and all sorts of other folks. They even, apparently, placed her in a foster home that would be likely to turn her out for getting an abortion, or even just for becoming pregnant. IMO, people like that have no business being actual parents, let alone FOSTER parents. This is a girl who very clearly needs help, and for once, seems to have the mental faculties and determination necessary to try and get said help, and yet, the state keeps slamming the door in her face. Quit being heartless bastards, just this once.

And DON'T "welcome to fark" me. I guarantee you I've probably been on here longer than you have.
 
2013-10-07 09:28:34 PM  
Society has failed this young woman repeatedly.
Her parents were physically abusive. This is a proven fact. The state doesn't dissolve parental rights lightly.
She was placed with a foster family who hold strong religious beliefs and faced a State Supreme Court with strong religious beliefs and has been denied her constitutional rights as guaranteed by Roe v Wade because she was deemed by the court to be too immature to make a decision to have an abortion.
That decision, 5-2, was handed down by, let's face it, a bunch of old, white, men who should never ever have any say about women's reproductive rights. Men should never have a say about those matters, IMO, because they don't share the burden of the consequences of their actions.
This young woman, Anonymous 5 (which would make a great name for a rock band or a Japanese Anime Super Villain or possibly a robot) has been screwed, blued and tattooed by the religious right in Nebraska.
She went looking for help, physically abused, in trouble, hurting, and the government of Nebraska decided to deny her her rights and ruin her slim chances at leading a normal life.
Any article about 'compassionate conservatism' should mention Anonymous 5.
 
2013-10-07 09:30:58 PM  

badhatharry: If we're not letting 16 year olds buy bus tickets, maybe they need some oversight on abortions too.


So you're volunteering to adopt her child? Noted.
 
2013-10-07 09:43:35 PM  
A quick search of the Googles shows an average price for the abortion procedure to be $500. Half a grand. So that kinda kicks it out of the "cheap and easy method of birth control" column.

Gotta wonder where Baby Daddy is during all this commotion. Getting ready for the Homecoming Game?
 
2013-10-07 09:44:00 PM  

Headso: So instead, this immature young woman who does not want a baby will become a mother. Everyone wins.

Maybe she can seek out an abortion by other means, if you can't get a safe one done by professionals maybe there's another way you could achieve the same goal.


Abortion by police
 
2013-10-07 09:52:24 PM  
I don't understand all the fuss and bother about abortion.  Pro-lifers push for adoption because that way the children will be raised in a happier place than with the poor mother.  But what's a happier place than heaven?  There is no happier place. And all aborted babies go straight to heaven.  Abortion is just another way of saying that your child has been adopted by God!  Why would anyone keep God from adopting these unwanted children?
 
2013-10-07 09:58:48 PM  

Greek: To all the slut shamers in this forum- and there are quite a few- take note of the total situation here. The girl first asked for the abortion at a hearing to terminate her parents' rights. In other words, this girl grew up in a very abusive household, one that she only recently was able to get away from. Girls in those sorts of situations generally are very high risk for getting pregnant. First, it's unlikely that she got anything in the way of real, reasonable sex education. Second, she was probably (even if subconsciously) looking for someone to love her, and was thus VERY vulnerable to getting involved with boys whose motives are not exactly pure. This is a girl who has been failed many times by many different people who were supposed to love her, care for her, nurture her, and teach her to do the same. Then, she's likely been failed many times by the courts, by social workers who mean well but are overburdened because politicians think they cost too much, and all sorts of other folks. They even, apparently, placed her in a foster home that would be likely to turn her out for getting an abortion, or even just for becoming pregnant. IMO, people like that have no business being actual parents, let alone FOSTER parents. This is a girl who very clearly needs help, and for once, seems to have the mental faculties and determination necessary to try and get said help, and yet, the state keeps slamming the door in her face. Quit being heartless bastards, just this once.

And DON'T "welcome to fark" me. I guarantee you I've probably been on here longer than you have.


First of all, she probably is a slut. She got pregnant at 16 after all. There's no allegation she was raped, so it was consensual. So, yeah, she's a slut. Just sayin'.

Whether or not she's a slut shouldn't have any bearing on whether she can have an abortion, and doesn't in this case.

It's a convenient argument of pro-choicers that any opposition to abortion is based on "slut-shaming". It makes women out to be victims of mean conservatives out to limit their rights, and makes you think you have the moral high ground.

But the fact is these religious pro-lifers are literally pro-life. They believe abortion is killing a baby. They don't want this girl to be able to kill her baby.
 
2013-10-07 10:02:16 PM  

RyogaM: And all aborted babies go straight to heaven.


Unless they're Catholic in which case they end up in Limbo.

t3.gstatic.com
 
2013-10-07 10:02:19 PM  
Debeo Summa Credo:


I like how you call her a slut, and then go on to say that slut-shaming is a liberal straw man.

Why, exactly, is she a slut? How does having sex at 16 make you a slut? And, by the way, I want actual reasons grounded in reality, not the Bible.
 
2013-10-07 10:02:35 PM  

RyogaM: Abortion is just another way of saying that your child has been adopted by God!


That is the awesomest thing I have read today.

"Why don't you want the baby to go right to heaven? Why do you want to force them to live on this shiathole first? You are kind of an asshole! God has a plan for everybody, maybe God's plan was for that baby to get in the express lane to Jesustown."
 
2013-10-07 10:04:40 PM  
So conservatives will force this girl to have this baby and then 9 months later complain about how tax-payers dollars are being wasted raising these two.
 
2013-10-07 10:06:19 PM  

WordyGrrl: A quick search of the Googles shows an average price for the abortion procedure to be $500. Half a grand. So that kinda kicks it out of the "cheap and easy method of birth control" column.

Gotta wonder where Baby Daddy is during all this commotion. Getting ready for the Homecoming Game?


I got $5 says the baby daddy is in fact the foster dad.
 
ecl [BareFark]
2013-10-07 10:08:51 PM  

Bonzo_1116: WordyGrrl: A quick search of the Googles shows an average price for the abortion procedure to be $500. Half a grand. So that kinda kicks it out of the "cheap and easy method of birth control" column.

Gotta wonder where Baby Daddy is during all this commotion. Getting ready for the Homecoming Game?

I got $5 says the baby daddy is in fact the foster dad.


I'll put $10 on Jesus.
 
2013-10-07 10:08:51 PM  

grumpfuff: Debeo Summa Credo:


I like how you call her a slut, and then go on to say that slut-shaming is a liberal straw man.

Why, exactly, is she a slut? How does having sex at 16 make you a slut? And, by the way, I want actual reasons grounded in reality, not the Bible.


The point is whether or not she's a slut (by whatever subjective definition of slut you apply) it should have no bearing on whether she should be able to have an abortion.

Pro-lifers are pro-life. They aren't in it to punish women for putting out or whatever it is many pro-choicers fool themselves into believing.
 
2013-10-07 10:09:32 PM  

dennysgod: So conservatives will force this girl to have this baby and then 9 months later complain about how tax-payers dollars are being wasted raising these two.


Expanding the ranks of the impoverished and then complaining about how many are impoverished has been their "thing" for the last 30 years or so.
 
2013-10-07 10:10:59 PM  

dennysgod: So conservatives will force this girl to have this baby and then 9 months later complain about how tax-payers dollars are being wasted raising these two.


So liberals have no problem if this girl kills her baby but then find it inhumane if taxpayers don't provide for their every want.
 
2013-10-07 10:11:00 PM  
Reading the comments it seems like she should Crowdfund her abortion. She can get a free trip to Wichita.
 
2013-10-07 10:12:38 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: Pro-lifers are pro-life. They aren't in it to punish women for putting out or whatever it is many pro-choicers fool themselves into believing.


That's why most of them don't support contraception either.
 
2013-10-07 10:13:25 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: kills her baby


What baby?
 
2013-10-07 10:13:44 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: grumpfuff: Debeo Summa Credo:


I like how you call her a slut, and then go on to say that slut-shaming is a liberal straw man.

Why, exactly, is she a slut? How does having sex at 16 make you a slut? And, by the way, I want actual reasons grounded in reality, not the Bible.

The point is whether or not she's a slut (by whatever subjective definition of slut you apply) it should have no bearing on whether she should be able to have an abortion.

Pro-lifers are pro-life. They aren't in it to punish women for putting out or whatever it is many pro-choicers fool themselves into believing.


Nice dodge. Way to totally avoid my question, and instead restate part of the post I responded to(but not the one I was asking about).

Here, let me make it clearer.

Debeo Summa Credo: First of all, she probably is a slut. She got pregnant at 16 after all. There's no allegation she was raped, so it was consensual. So, yeah, she's a slut. Just sayin'.


Why, exactly, is she a slut? Again, reality based reasons.
 
2013-10-07 10:15:02 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: dennysgod: So conservatives will force this girl to have this baby and then 9 months later complain about how tax-payers dollars are being wasted raising these two.

So liberals have no problem if this girl kills her baby but then find it inhumane if taxpayers don't provide for their every want.


Well, if she's being forced to have the child against her will by government agents, why shouldn't the government help pay for it?
 
2013-10-07 10:19:03 PM  

badhatharry: badhatharry: Sorry about that, I didn't read the article. That's what adoption is for.

Sorry about that. I didn't read the whole article. That's what foster grandma's are for.


Foster grandma's WHAT?
 
2013-10-07 10:23:16 PM  
underaged kid can't get medical procedure without guardian's consent. We pretend that kids should be able to get medical procedures without parental consent but just this one time.
 
2013-10-07 10:30:31 PM  
Debeo Summa Credo:

First of all, she probably is a slut. She got pregnant at 16 after all. There's no allegation she was raped, so it was consensual. So, yeah, she's a slut. Just sayin'.

Go fark yourself. Just saying.
Yeah, let's just ignore all the other trauma this child went through and continue to victimize her. God, I hate conservatives/Republicans/Libertarians/sociopaths (but I repeat myself). I am so sick of you people and your judgmental, puritanical views. You will stomp on abused kids who act out in the only way they know to deal with the trauma they've endured, but I guarantee you excuse all the Wall Street psychopaths and "conservative" politicians who have done their damndest to ruin the world's economy and continue to victimize those who have already been victimized...

/Yes, I have been drinking, why do you ask?
 
2013-10-07 10:32:12 PM  

Urbn: /Yes, I have been drinking, why do you ask?


because you said "psychopath", "sociopath" and then equated more than 1/2 of your fellow Americans with them. How's that for starters?
 
2013-10-07 10:32:19 PM  

grumpfuff: Debeo Summa Credo: First of all, she probably is a slut. She got pregnant at 16 after all. There's no allegation she was raped, so it was consensual. So, yeah, she's a slut. Just sayin'.

Why, exactly, is she a slut? Again, reality based reasons.


It is a purely subjective descriptor, you would have to agree on a definition before you could do that.
 
2013-10-07 10:34:12 PM  

jst3p: grumpfuff: Debeo Summa Credo: First of all, she probably is a slut. She got pregnant at 16 after all. There's no allegation she was raped, so it was consensual. So, yeah, she's a slut. Just sayin'.

Why, exactly, is she a slut? Again, reality based reasons.

It is a purely subjective descriptor, you would have to agree on a definition before you could do that.


does she float?

/maybe that's the test for something else
 
2013-10-07 10:37:57 PM  

skullkrusher: Urbn: /Yes, I have been drinking, why do you ask?

because you said "psychopath", "sociopath" and then equated more than 1/2 of your fellow Americans with them. How's that for starters?


More than 1/2 of my fellow Americans called this abused girl a slut?

/Knows what you meant, and don't care, so nyah!
 
2013-10-07 10:41:35 PM  

Urbn: skullkrusher: Urbn: /Yes, I have been drinking, why do you ask?

because you said "psychopath", "sociopath" and then equated more than 1/2 of your fellow Americans with them. How's that for starters?

More than 1/2 of my fellow Americans called this abused girl a slut?

/Knows what you meant, and don't care, so nyah!


heh, in vino veritas

/sometimes
 
2013-10-07 10:54:20 PM  

jst3p: grumpfuff: Debeo Summa Credo: First of all, she probably is a slut. She got pregnant at 16 after all. There's no allegation she was raped, so it was consensual. So, yeah, she's a slut. Just sayin'.

Why, exactly, is she a slut? Again, reality based reasons.

It is a purely subjective descriptor, you would have to agree on a definition before you could do that.


Of course it's purely subjective. I'd still like to hear why Debeo thinks this girl is a slut, based on so little information in the article.
 
2013-10-07 11:03:35 PM  

grumpfuff: jst3p: grumpfuff: Debeo Summa Credo: First of all, she probably is a slut. She got pregnant at 16 after all. There's no allegation she was raped, so it was consensual. So, yeah, she's a slut. Just sayin'.

Why, exactly, is she a slut? Again, reality based reasons.

It is a purely subjective descriptor, you would have to agree on a definition before you could do that.

Of course it's purely subjective. I'd still like to hear why Debeo thinks this girl is a slut, based on so little information in the article.


He could, literally, say "because all women who have sex are sluts" and you couldn't prove him wrong.
 
2013-10-07 11:03:56 PM  
She should name Judge Bataillon as the father on the birth certificate.
 
2013-10-07 11:12:02 PM  

jst3p: grumpfuff: jst3p: grumpfuff: Debeo Summa Credo: First of all, she probably is a slut. She got pregnant at 16 after all. There's no allegation she was raped, so it was consensual. So, yeah, she's a slut. Just sayin'.

Why, exactly, is she a slut? Again, reality based reasons.

It is a purely subjective descriptor, you would have to agree on a definition before you could do that.

Of course it's purely subjective. I'd still like to hear why Debeo thinks this girl is a slut, based on so little information in the article.

He could, literally, say "because all women who have sex are sluts" and you couldn't prove him wrong.


All X = Sluts, for sufficient definitions of "sluts".
 
2013-10-07 11:15:43 PM  
We hate you for your freedoms.
 
2013-10-07 11:18:22 PM  

2wolves: spman: There needs to be consequences for making dumb choices in life.

When was the last time you saw a banker go to jail?


Or a speaker of the house
 
2013-10-07 11:21:28 PM  

Theaetetus: jst3p: grumpfuff: jst3p: grumpfuff: Debeo Summa Credo: First of all, she probably is a slut. She got pregnant at 16 after all. There's no allegation she was raped, so it was consensual. So, yeah, she's a slut. Just sayin'.

Why, exactly, is she a slut? Again, reality based reasons.

It is a purely subjective descriptor, you would have to agree on a definition before you could do that.

Of course it's purely subjective. I'd still like to hear why Debeo thinks this girl is a slut, based on so little information in the article.

He could, literally, say "because all women who have sex are sluts" and you couldn't prove him wrong.

All X = Sluts, for sufficient definitions of "sluts".


I like you.
 
2013-10-07 11:24:49 PM  

jst3p: Theaetetus: jst3p: grumpfuff: jst3p: grumpfuff: Debeo Summa Credo: First of all, she probably is a slut. She got pregnant at 16 after all. There's no allegation she was raped, so it was consensual. So, yeah, she's a slut. Just sayin'.

Why, exactly, is she a slut? Again, reality based reasons.

It is a purely subjective descriptor, you would have to agree on a definition before you could do that.

Of course it's purely subjective. I'd still like to hear why Debeo thinks this girl is a slut, based on so little information in the article.

He could, literally, say "because all women who have sex are sluts" and you couldn't prove him wrong.

All X = Sluts, for sufficient definitions of "sluts".

I like you.


get a room, sluts
 
2013-10-08 12:01:06 AM  

Supes: The Stealth Hippopotamus: I sear to Bob this isn't from the Onion:

Nebraska's Safe Haven Law:

Nebraska's safe haven has received the most publicity out of all safe haven programs, however, it is not because of all of the babies they were saving. Nebraska's safe haven law did not specify an age limit for which children could be dropped off, which resulted in 35 children being left for safe haven protection, most kids over age 10. Nebraska's safe haven law has since been revised to place an age limitation to protect only newborns, so that children over age 30 days old can not be dropped off.

Basically just leave the baby at the door step of any firehouse and walk away. Simple as that.

Or spend the 68 bucks to get a Grayhound ticket to a state that will help you with your little problem

One dad surrendered NINE kids at a hospital under this law. Ridiculous.


Uhm, people were dropping off kids aged up to 17 years initially; the original law hadn't bothered to specify "infants" and so people were ditching their teeangers.

[http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/22/us/22nebraska.html]
 
2013-10-08 12:06:24 AM  
Why are libtards okay with murdering a defenseless baby in the womb, but not when true Americans defend their pussy asses by killing an evil brown man with a nuclear bomb in Afghanistan?

It's a racist double standard. If only that baby had a Zimmerman.
 
2013-10-08 12:15:26 AM  

hardinparamedic: Why are libtards okay with murdering a defenseless baby in the womb, but not when true Americans defend their pussy asses by killing an evil brown man with a nuclear bomb in Afghanistan?

It's a racist double standard. If only that baby had a Zimmerman.


fark that: what if Zimmerman had had a baby?

/I mean, like, right there, right in front of Martin
 
2013-10-08 12:17:31 AM  

ArcadianRefugee: fark that: what if Zimmerman had had a baby?

/I mean, like, right there, right in front of Martin


Well, we know he wouldn't have let that THUG abort that poor, defenseless little baby. I mean, have you ever seen a baby? They're pretty much formed after two days of fertilization. DID YOU KNOW THAT THE HEART BEATS AFTER THREE DAYS?

Everytime a liebral demoncrat tricks a poor woman into getting a murderbortion, they are killing this.

takeasmileindia.files.wordpress.com

Now just look at that corn and shiat covered face, and tell me you could murder that baby.
 
2013-10-08 12:17:44 AM  

hardinparamedic: Why are libtards okay with murdering a defenseless baby in the womb, but not when true Americans defend their pussy asses by killing an evil brown man with a nuclear bomb in Afghanistan?

It's a racist double standard. If only that baby had a Zimmerman.


You are neither funny nor insightful, troll.
 
2013-10-08 12:21:06 AM  

Jorn the Younger: hardinparamedic: Why are libtards okay with murdering a defenseless baby in the womb, but not when true Americans defend their pussy asses by killing an evil brown man with a nuclear bomb in Afghanistan?

It's a racist double standard. If only that baby had a Zimmerman.

You are neither funny nor insightful, troll.


I wish I was being funny, good Sir. It is a documented fact that Democrats would love to abort this living, breathing baby, put it back INTO the womb, and do it all over again.

media.chick.com

The Right Honorable Reverend Jack Chick showed me the truth and the error of my ways!
 
2013-10-08 12:30:46 AM  

hardinparamedic: ArcadianRefugee: fark that: what if Zimmerman had had a baby?

/I mean, like, right there, right in front of Martin

Well, we know he wouldn't have let that THUG abort that poor, defenseless little baby. I mean, have you ever seen a baby? They're pretty much formed after two days of fertilization. DID YOU KNOW THAT THE HEART BEATS AFTER THREE DAYS?

Everytime a liebral demoncrat tricks a poor woman into getting a murderbortion, they are killing this.

[takeasmileindia.files.wordpress.com image 600x728]

Now just look at that corn and shiat covered face, and tell me you could murder that baby.


I would have to wipe the shiat and cornpoop off him first.
 
2013-10-08 12:31:07 AM  
just sayin

age to smoke 18
age to vote     18
age to drink     21
age to drive with help 16
age to drive by yourself 18

age to become pregnant and or raise a child - no age requirement necesary
 
2013-10-08 12:40:36 AM  

hardinparamedic: [takeasmileindia.files.wordpress.com image 600x728]

Now just look at that corn and shiat covered face, and tell me you could murder that baby.


Wait now.... Which orifice did he get pulled out from?

/worst. caesarian. ever.
 
2013-10-08 12:41:33 AM  

grumpfuff: jst3p: grumpfuff: Debeo Summa Credo: First of all, she probably is a slut. She got pregnant at 16 after all. There's no allegation she was raped, so it was consensual. So, yeah, she's a slut. Just sayin'.

Why, exactly, is she a slut? Again, reality based reasons.

It is a purely subjective descriptor, you would have to agree on a definition before you could do that.

Of course it's purely subjective. I'd still like to hear why Debeo thinks this girl is a slut, based on so little information in the article.


Meh, he answered you already. Clearly anyone having sex and getting pregnant at 16 is a de facto slut in his world. Having sex outside of marriage and not for procreation only = slut to this fool, so why are you even asking for further clarification?

There is no logic linkage with people like this. Pregnancy and childbirth exist only to punish the mother for her sinful actions, and that the baby will also suffer is merely a harrumph. They will invariably say something like "Liberals always think society should provide for people's mistakes" or "Why should taxpayers have to pay for a woman's choice?" as if their argument that "It's not a choice, it's a baby!" suddenly lost all it's impact the moment the umbilical cord was severed. Or they have some magical thought that the sight of that baby will cause the woman to repent of her sinful ways, miraculously find a job, home, god and a husband, and settle down to a white-picket-fence life that somehow didn't exist before her pregnancy.

That this particular girl is mature enough to recognize she WAS careless and wrong, and DID make a mistake is irrelevant--in these people's world, you can only do that before you make a mistake. Once a mistake is made, these folks want the girl to suffer forever and ever, amen, and take your brat with you, biatch. She can never unmake her mistake. Because clearly, maturity isn't something you get to have unless you're mature enough to figure it out before you need it. Or something.
 
2013-10-08 12:43:35 AM  

bindlestiff2600: just sayin

age to smoke 18
age to vote     18
age to drink     21
age to drive with help 16
age to drive by yourself 18

age to become pregnant and or raise a child - no age requirement necesary


Puberty.*

*age variable; current minimum: 5 years, 7 months
 
2013-10-08 12:44:02 AM  
Yet more proof of what garbage fundies are.
 
2013-10-08 12:47:10 AM  

Gyrfalcon: <snip>



As I said earlier, I know. I just tend to believe the best way to deal with stupidity is confront it head on.

/except when it comes to obvious trolls
 
2013-10-08 12:52:23 AM  
Don't think of it as 'abortion'.
Think of it as 'standing your ground against an unwelcome intruder'.
You people  like that sort of thing, right?
 
2013-10-08 01:04:41 AM  

bindlestiff2600: just sayin

age to smoke 18
age to vote     18
age to drink     21
age to drive with help 16
age to drive by yourself 18

age to become pregnant and or raise a child - no age requirement necesary


Your point?  Are you saying we could somehow legally mandate when a girl starts to menstruate?
 
2013-10-08 01:16:06 AM  

Petey4335: odinsposse: minoridiot: But 16 year-olds can get an abortion in the same manner they can buy a car -- with parental consent.

The girl is a ward of the state. So she asked the state and they decided that she was too immature to get an abortion but mature enough to be a mom.

Being a ward of the state is just a bad place to be.  While waiting for the TPR appeals process to be over, we had a specialist appointment for one of the kids. We couldn't sign medical documents.  They asked for someone to come down that could sign AND stay for the appointment.  We were like, WTF, what do you want us to do?  Go grab Scott Walker and drag him with us? (we got our social worker's department head to show up eventually.)


Finally got to adopt our 9 year old twins and a 13 year old a little over a month ago.

That said:  This is a plead for anyone who is considering adopting children.  Please at least consider older kids.


You are awesome. l have a somewhat militant stance on adoption (check out my profile) and I genuinely applaud and thank you for your choice.  We need thousands more just like you.

Welcome to my favorites.  You have certainly earned it.
 
2013-10-08 02:07:20 AM  

skullkrusher: underaged kid can't get medical procedure without guardian's consent. We pretend that kids should be able to get medical procedures without parental consent but just this one time.


I'm honestly curious to hear you clarify this statement.  Are you for or against medical procedures for guardian's consent and why?

It's not supposed to be a trap.  I honestly have no idea how I feel and it's not just abortion.  What about a person who wants a sex change but their parents do not consent?  I have no idea what the guiding moral or belief is, so if you wanna share yours with me, I would be greatly appreciative.

Also, you're a dick.

See you can tell by that last part it's actually me.
 
2013-10-08 02:13:06 AM  
I'm officially BSABBFR.

Both sides are bad, but fark Republicans.

shiat like this is why.
 
2013-10-08 02:17:02 AM  

Debeo Summa Credo: Greek: To all the slut shamers in this forum- and there are quite a few- take note of the total situation here. The girl first asked for the abortion at a hearing to terminate her parents' rights. In other words, this girl grew up in a very abusive household, one that she only recently was able to get away from. Girls in those sorts of situations generally are very high risk for getting pregnant. First, it's unlikely that she got anything in the way of real, reasonable sex education. Second, she was probably (even if subconsciously) looking for someone to love her, and was thus VERY vulnerable to getting involved with boys whose motives are not exactly pure. This is a girl who has been failed many times by many different people who were supposed to love her, care for her, nurture her, and teach her to do the same. Then, she's likely been failed many times by the courts, by social workers who mean well but are overburdened because politicians think they cost too much, and all sorts of other folks. They even, apparently, placed her in a foster home that would be likely to turn her out for getting an abortion, or even just for becoming pregnant. IMO, people like that have no business being actual parents, let alone FOSTER parents. This is a girl who very clearly needs help, and for once, seems to have the mental faculties and determination necessary to try and get said help, and yet, the state keeps slamming the door in her face. Quit being heartless bastards, just this once.

And DON'T "welcome to fark" me. I guarantee you I've probably been on here longer than you have.

First of all, she probably is a slut. She got pregnant at 16 after all. There's no allegation she was raped, so it was consensual. So, yeah, she's a slut. Just sayin'.

Whether or not she's a slut shouldn't have any bearing on whether she can have an abortion, and doesn't in this case.

It's a convenient argument of pro-choicers that any opposition to abortion is based on "slut-shaming". It make ...


Hey, here's a great idea... as pro-lifers, what we should do is blatantly slut-shame someone, then complain about how the pro-choicers falsely accuse us of slut-shaming women!

IT'S A FANTASTIC IDEA!
 
2013-10-08 02:17:47 AM  

Pincy: bindlestiff2600: just sayin

age to smoke 18
age to vote     18
age to drink     21
age to drive with help 16
age to drive by yourself 18

age to become pregnant and or raise a child - no age requirement necesary

Your point?  Are you saying we could somehow legally mandate when a girl starts to menstruate?


no
i would tho invite suggestions as to why the age limits were established
ive generally been told that it was because of a lack of maturity
your erudite thoughts on the matter are welcome
 
2013-10-08 02:22:32 AM  

lennavan: skullkrusher: underaged kid can't get medical procedure without guardian's consent. We pretend that kids should be able to get medical procedures without parental consent but just this one time.

I'm honestly curious to hear you clarify this statement.  Are you for or against medical procedures for guardian's consent and why?

It's not supposed to be a trap.  I honestly have no idea how I feel and it's not just abortion.  What about a person who wants a sex change but their parents do not consent?  I have no idea what the guiding moral or belief is, so if you wanna share yours with me, I would be greatly appreciative.

Also, you're a dick.

See you can tell by that last part it's actually me.


I think the test for requiring consent of a guardian should be this:
"Can we do it later, and still have a similar result?"

If you want gender reassignment at 16, your gender gets reassigned whether you wait until you're 18 or not.
If you want an abortion at 16, and you wait until you're 18, that's called murder.
 
2013-10-08 02:32:21 AM  

Rhino_man: lennavan: skullkrusher: underaged kid can't get medical procedure without guardian's consent. We pretend that kids should be able to get medical procedures without parental consent but just this one time.

snip

If you want gender reassignment at 16, your gender gets reassigned whether you wait until you're 18 or not.
If you want an abortion at 16, and you wait until you're 18, that's called murder.


well not necessarily - if its condoned by the legal system then its ok

example  - executions are not considered murder
example -  killing on behalf of the gov't is not considered murder
so then if the govt says its ok, then its not murder

in any case if it was murder then it would have to be considered pre-meditated and the female would have to get the death penalty (ironic since it would be govt ordered and thus not murder)
 
2013-10-08 04:16:34 AM  

bindlestiff2600: Pincy: bindlestiff2600: just sayin

age to smoke 18
age to vote     18
age to drink     21
age to drive with help 16
age to drive by yourself 18

age to become pregnant and or raise a child - no age requirement necesary

Your point?  Are you saying we could somehow legally mandate when a girl starts to menstruate?

no
i would tho invite suggestions as to why the age limits were established
ive generally been told that it was because of a lack of maturity
your erudite thoughts on the matter are welcome


Well, it USED to be that it was 21, across the board. None of this b/s about driving, voting, whatever. If a girl's parents wanted to allow a man to ask for her to be married sooner, that was between her father and the other man--but a girl and a boy running off to get married would be sent back to their respective parents post-haste if they got caught; and the same opprobium went to the boy as much as the girl. A 17-year old boy pretending to be a man would have been in as much trouble as a 17-year old girl pretending to be a woman in most of the world.

Then along came the 20th Century. Specifically, the 60's, and the ugly Vietnam war and the ugly draft. People rightly began questioning howcome kids were being sent off to a war they hadn't been allowed to vote on. The bumper-sticker slogan was "You can't drink or vote, but you can fight & die at 18". That was correctly deemed to be not only unfair, but pretty damn stupid, and so the voting age was lowered, as was the drinking age. And it was acknowledged to be idiotic that the Army would hand a kid an M-16 but couldn't hand him a beer.

As far as driving, driver's ed used to be a required high school class, mostly because it was convenient. 16 was a good age to hand some fool kid a driver's license because it gave him/her at least two years under mommy & daddy's roof and in mommy & daddy's car to practice not killing anyone before getting turned loose on the rest of us. Then MADD came along and blurred that convenient line; so now we have the drinking age back up to 21 and the driving age all over the map. Really, the drinking age should be lower and the driving age should be higher, imo, if you want to reduce drinking and driving accidents; but try convincing moms against drunken kids of that.

Nobody has ever been able to figure out what "age of consent" means. It has been as low as 13 and as high as 19 and never tied to legal adulthood anywhere that I know of, likely because girls come to menarche long before they're anything like physically or emotionally mature nowadays. And since arranged marriages are frowned upon and women are encouraged to "do their own thing", sex and adulthood have nothing to do with legal adulthood or even some arbitrary age marker.

Really, they logically should come as one legal package. When you're considered old enough to legally contract, then that's the age of adulthood, and you get everything: the right to drink, drive, marry, kill, vote, abort your own fetus, have sex, get drafted, whatever. Go crazy. Pick an age. If 18 sounds good, then that will be it. If we want everyone to wait till 21, then that's fine too. But none of this business of a girl being old enough to bear a child at 16 but not old enough to decide she wants an abortion; none of this nonsense of being too young to drink at 18 but old enough to go to an adult prison if you get caught drinking and driving. Draw a line and put kids on one side and adults on the other.

I have spoken.
 
2013-10-08 04:42:30 AM  

Gyrfalcon: bindlestiff2600: Pincy: bindlestiff2600: just sayin

snip
snip

agreed

in addition   a boy can be considered an adult if he commits a horrific crime
but not by demonstrating wisdom and responsiblity

 
2013-10-08 04:55:52 AM  
seriously the judge ho made the initial ruling should have recused himself given his strong opinions on abortion likely made him unable to make a impartial ruling.

That's how i would have appealed it, on those grounds i think the supreme court would have had to order a new hearing as a conflict of interest is plain to see.
 
2013-10-08 05:34:28 AM  
It takes a village to raise a child. And as long as I don't have to pay for it, really, who cares who raises it? Out of sight, out of mind.

I mean, if it causes trouble later, we can just put it in prison with all the others that probably should have been aborted if not for our commitment to life.
 
2013-10-08 05:37:59 AM  

bindlestiff2600: Rhino_man: lennavan: skullkrusher: underaged kid can't get medical procedure without guardian's consent. We pretend that kids should be able to get medical procedures without parental consent but just this one time.

snip

If you want gender reassignment at 16, your gender gets reassigned whether you wait until you're 18 or not.
If you want an abortion at 16, and you wait until you're 18, that's called murder.

well not necessarily - if its condoned by the legal system then its ok

example  - executions are not considered murder
example -  killing on behalf of the gov't is not considered murder
so then if the govt says its ok, then its not murder

in any case if it was murder then it would have to be considered pre-meditated and the female would have to get the death penalty (ironic since it would be govt ordered and thus not murder)


Killing people because they deserve it is usually ok.
 
2013-10-08 05:42:00 AM  

sendtodave: bindlestiff2600: Rhino_man: lennavan: skullkrusher: underaged kid can't get medical procedure without guardian's consent. We pretend that kids should be able to get medical procedures without parental consent but just this one time.

snip

If you want gender reassignment at 16, your gender gets reassigned whether you wait until you're 18 or not.
If you want an abortion at 16, and you wait until you're 18, that's called murder.

well not necessarily - if its condoned by the legal system then its ok

example  - executions are not considered murder
example -  killing on behalf of the gov't is not considered murder
so then if the govt says its ok, then its not murder

in any case if it was murder then it would have to be considered pre-meditated and the female would have to get the death penalty (ironic since it would be govt ordered and thus not murder)

Killing people because they deserve it is usually ok.


Also, "killing on behalf of the government" usually means "killing people that are trying to kill you" and is therefore usually OK.
 
2013-10-08 05:57:13 AM  

Rhino_man: sendtodave: bindlestiff2600: Rhino_man: lennavan: skullkrusher: underaged kid can't get medical procedure without guardian's consent. We pretend that kids should be able to get medical procedures without parental consent but just this one time.

snip

If you want gender reassignment at 16, your gender gets reassigned whether you wait until you're 18 or not.
If you want an abortion at 16, and you wait until you're 18, that's called murder.

well not necessarily - if its condoned by the legal system then its ok

example  - executions are not considered murder
example -  killing on behalf of the gov't is not considered murder
so then if the govt says its ok, then its not murder

in any case if it was murder then it would have to be considered pre-meditated and the female would have to get the death penalty (ironic since it would be govt ordered and thus not murder)

Killing people because they deserve it is usually ok.

Also, "killing on behalf of the government" usually means "killing people that are trying to kill you" and is therefore usually OK.


Exactly! And they wouldn't be trying to kill us if we weren't there, and we wouldn't be there if they didn't deserve it!

QED
 
2013-10-08 06:01:03 AM  

sendtodave: Rhino_man: sendtodave: bindlestiff2600: Rhino_man: lennavan: skullkrusher: underaged kid can't get medical procedure without guardian's consent. We pretend that kids should be able to get medical procedures without parental consent but just this one time.

snip

If you want gender reassignment at 16, your gender gets reassigned whether you wait until you're 18 or not.
If you want an abortion at 16, and you wait until you're 18, that's called murder.

well not necessarily - if its condoned by the legal system then its ok

example  - executions are not considered murder
example -  killing on behalf of the gov't is not considered murder
so then if the govt says its ok, then its not murder

in any case if it was murder then it would have to be considered pre-meditated and the female would have to get the death penalty (ironic since it would be govt ordered and thus not murder)

Killing people because they deserve it is usually ok.

Also, "killing on behalf of the government" usually means "killing people that are trying to kill you" and is therefore usually OK.

Exactly! And they wouldn't be trying to kill us if we weren't there, and we wouldn't be there if they didn't deserve it!

QED


Oh, so you're one of those "all wars are bad" people.

*sigh*

Sadly, that position is just as myopic as the position of hawks who think that there's no such thing as a bad war coontil a black guy starts it).
 
2013-10-08 06:12:35 AM  
If her name weren't anonymous, and clearly I understand why it is, I would be willing to give her the money needed for travel to an enlightened state and give her money for her abortion.
 
2013-10-08 06:14:47 AM  

Rhino_man: sendtodave: Rhino_man: sendtodave: bindlestiff2600: Rhino_man: lennavan: skullkrusher: underaged kid can't get medical procedure without guardian's consent. We pretend that kids should be able to get medical procedures without parental consent but just this one time.

snip

If you want gender reassignment at 16, your gender gets reassigned whether you wait until you're 18 or not.
If you want an abortion at 16, and you wait until you're 18, that's called murder.

well not necessarily - if its condoned by the legal system then its ok

example  - executions are not considered murder
example -  killing on behalf of the gov't is not considered murder
so then if the govt says its ok, then its not murder

in any case if it was murder then it would have to be considered pre-meditated and the female would have to get the death penalty (ironic since it would be govt ordered and thus not murder)

Killing people because they deserve it is usually ok.

Also, "killing on behalf of the government" usually means "killing people that are trying to kill you" and is therefore usually OK.

Exactly! And they wouldn't be trying to kill us if we weren't there, and we wouldn't be there if they didn't deserve it!

QED

Oh, so you're one of those "all wars are bad" people.

*sigh*

Sadly, that position is just as myopic as the position of hawks who think that there's no such thing as a bad war coontil a black guy starts it).


Wars are only bad for the bad guys. It's why things go so well for us, the good guys, when we go to war.
 
2013-10-08 06:49:09 AM  

Petey4335: odinsposse: minoridiot: But 16 year-olds can get an abortion in the same manner they can buy a car -- with parental consent.

The girl is a ward of the state. So she asked the state and they decided that she was too immature to get an abortion but mature enough to be a mom.

Being a ward of the state is just a bad place to be.  While waiting for the TPR appeals process to be over, we had a specialist appointment for one of the kids. We couldn't sign medical documents.  They asked for someone to come down that could sign AND stay for the appointment.  We were like, WTF, what do you want us to do?  Go grab Scott Walker and drag him with us? (we got our social worker's department head to show up eventually.)


Finally got to adopt our 9 year old twins and a 13 year old a little over a month ago.

That said:  This is a plead for anyone who is considering adopting children.  Please at least consider older kids.


If I decide to have kids I'm leaning towards adoption.  And if you get to pick out a kid, why not get one with the drivers installed?
 
2013-10-08 07:08:37 AM  

lennavan: skullkrusher: underaged kid can't get medical procedure without guardian's consent. We pretend that kids should be able to get medical procedures without parental consent but just this one time.

I'm honestly curious to hear you clarify this statement.  Are you for or against medical procedures for guardian's consent and why?

It's not supposed to be a trap.  I honestly have no idea how I feel and it's not just abortion.  What about a person who wants a sex change but their parents do not consent?  I have no idea what the guiding moral or belief is, so if you wanna share yours with me, I would be greatly appreciative.

Also, you're a dick.

See you can tell by that last part it's actually me.


What about a child that wants a sec change but his or her parents don't consent? They wait til they're 18. What about the child who wants a face tattoo of One Direction? Can she get that without parental approval or are they only those procedures you seem
sufficiently progressive that 8 year olds should be allowed to get on their way home from school?

If the child's life were at risk it is one thing. There is no indication that it is. Therefore, her guardians need to approve of her undergoing a serious medical procedure. I'm surprised Lenny. You're not usually the "more abortions for the blood god" type.

Seriously though, the sex change is probably the best comparison since it can save future mental anguish and distress and an abortion can - yeah, I don't think you get to make the decision to invert your farking cock on your own until you're 18.
 
2013-10-08 08:11:45 AM  

diaphoresis: RedPhoenix122: I bet she's mature enough to kill herself when there's no way out for her.  By God I hope that doesn't happen.

I don't care either way. Stupid, self-absorbed, whore...

badhatharry: Why do so many people hate babies? There is something seriously wrong with this country.

Amen

RedPhoenix122: An abortion thread and a circumcision thread in the same evening.  Is it my birthday?

Yes, but there are enough trolls in here to demolish the bridge they live under... we don't need another. :P


SEE....... IT HAS EVERYTHING TO DO ABOUT THE INNOCENT BABY. NOTHING TO DO WITH PUNISHING THE MOTHER

*this is what idiots actually believe.
 
2013-10-08 08:22:29 AM  

Zarquon's Flat Tire: Finally got to adopt our 9 year old twins and a 13 year old a little over a month ago.

That said: This is a plead for anyone who is considering adopting children. Please at least consider older kids.

If I decide to have kids I'm leaning towards adoption. And if you get to pick out a kid, why not get one with the drivers installed?


and one who is sexually active apparently...
 
2013-10-08 09:04:31 AM  

red5ish: Any article about 'compassionate conservatism' should mention Anonymous 5.


Any mention of "compassionate conservatism" should be met by guffaws of laughter. And then ohwaityoureseriousletmelaughharder.jpg
 
2013-10-08 11:15:18 AM  

skullkrusher: If the child's life were at risk it is one thing. There is no indication that it is. Therefore, her guardians need to approve of her undergoing a serious medical procedure. I'm surprised Lenny. You're not usually the "more abortions for the blood god" type.


I'm not about more abortions for the blood god, I'm about who the fark am I to tell them no when it comes to choosing a serious medical procedure?  When you tell her no she cannot have that one serious medical procedure, you're making her go through another serious medical situation - birth.  The only reason I ever become against abortion is when the rights of the fetus come in to play.

skullkrusher: What about a child that wants a sec change but his or her parents don't consent? They wait til they're 18. What about the child who wants a face tattoo of One Direction?


The problem with abortion is if a pregnant 16 year old waits until she is 18, she cannot still abort her child.  Like the headline states, if you're a pregnant 16 year old girl, society is telling her she is not old enough or mature enough to decide whether or not to get an abortion, but she is mature enough to raise a child.  I think a teenager raising a kid is a much more serious situation than having an abortion.

skullkrusher: Can she get that without parental approval or are they only those procedures you seem
sufficiently progressive that 8 year olds should be allowed to get on their way home from school?


I don't know many 8 year olds that can get pregnant.
 
2013-10-08 11:39:48 AM  

lennavan: skullkrusher: If the child's life were at risk it is one thing. There is no indication that it is. Therefore, her guardians need to approve of her undergoing a serious medical procedure. I'm surprised Lenny. You're not usually the "more abortions for the blood god" type.

I'm not about more abortions for the blood god, I'm about who the fark am I to tell them no when it comes to choosing a serious medical procedure?  When you tell her no she cannot have that one serious medical procedure, you're making her go through another serious medical situation - birth.  The only reason I ever become against abortion is when the rights of the fetus come in to play.

skullkrusher: What about a child that wants a sec change but his or her parents don't consent? They wait til they're 18. What about the child who wants a face tattoo of One Direction?

The problem with abortion is if a pregnant 16 year old waits until she is 18, she cannot still abort her child.  Like the headline states, if you're a pregnant 16 year old girl, society is telling her she is not old enough or mature enough to decide whether or not to get an abortion, but she is mature enough to raise a child.  I think a teenager raising a kid is a much more serious situation than having an abortion.

skullkrusher: Can she get that without parental approval or are they only those procedures you seem
sufficiently progressive that 8 year olds should be allowed to get on their way home from school?

I don't know many 8 year olds that can get pregnant.


Actually, society is telling her she is not old enough to make the decision to have an abortion ON HER OWN. The sole alternative to not having an abortion is not raise the child. That is yet another decision that her parents/guardians must be involved in. I'm sorry but in the absence of a life or death situation, parents do and should have the final word on medical procedures their child undergoes.

As far as the 8 year olds go, maybe you just think that the age of majority should be lower. There's a case to be made for that. Maybe the 8 year old wants to have a nose job? What age is old enough to make that choice autonomously?

The blood god was snark. I know you're not a big fan of abortion
 
2013-10-08 12:16:07 PM  

thenewmissus: Petey4335: odinsposse: minoridiot: But 16 year-olds can get an abortion in the same manner they can buy a car -- with parental consent.

The girl is a ward of the state. So she asked the state and they decided that she was too immature to get an abortion but mature enough to be a mom.

Being a ward of the state is just a bad place to be.  While waiting for the TPR appeals process to be over, we had a specialist appointment for one of the kids. We couldn't sign medical documents.  They asked for someone to come down that could sign AND stay for the appointment.  We were like, WTF, what do you want us to do?  Go grab Scott Walker and drag him with us? (we got our social worker's department head to show up eventually.)


Finally got to adopt our 9 year old twins and a 13 year old a little over a month ago.

That said:  This is a plead for anyone who is considering adopting children.  Please at least consider older kids.

You are awesome. l have a somewhat militant stance on adoption (check out my profile) and I genuinely applaud and thank you for your choice.  We need thousands more just like you.

Welcome to my favorites.  You have certainly earned it.


Read the profile, thought it was apropos, and changed the profile pic to my family, now that I can finally post pics of my kids.  As a foster parent, while we can't stop others from putting pictures on the internet, we can get fined/jail time for such things.
 
2013-10-08 01:16:10 PM  

skullkrusher: The blood god was snark. I know you're not a big fan of abortion


I don't think anyone is a big fan of abortion, including people who are pro-choice in all situations.

skullkrusher: That is yet another decision that her parents/guardians must be involved in.


Yeah I don't know that that's true.  If a parent of a 16 year old girl says she must adopt out her baby and she says she doesn't want to, I would be shocked if a court said she doesn't get to make that choice on her own.  But my GED in law doesn't extend that far.
 
2013-10-08 02:02:57 PM  

lennavan: skullkrusher: The blood god was snark. I know you're not a big fan of abortion

I don't think anyone is a big fan of abortion, including people who are pro-choice in all situations.

skullkrusher: That is yet another decision that her parents/guardians must be involved in.

Yeah I don't know that that's true.  If a parent of a 16 year old girl says she must adopt out her baby and she says she doesn't want to, I would be shocked if a court said she doesn't get to make that choice on her own.  But my GED in law doesn't extend that far.


Again with the age. What about an 11 year old? Can she choose to play mommy against her parent's wishes?
 
2013-10-08 02:16:06 PM  

thenewmissus: diaphoresis: RedPhoenix122: I bet she's mature enough to kill herself when there's no way out for her.  By God I hope that doesn't happen.

I don't care either way. Stupid, self-absorbed, whore...

badhatharry: Why do so many people hate babies? There is something seriously wrong with this country.

Amen

RedPhoenix122: An abortion thread and a circumcision thread in the same evening.  Is it my birthday?

Yes, but there are enough trolls in here to demolish the bridge they live under... we don't need another. :P

SEE....... IT HAS EVERYTHING TO DO ABOUT THE INNOCENT BABY. NOTHING TO DO WITH PUNISHING THE MOTHER

*this is what idiots actually believe.


Why not both?
 
2013-10-08 02:46:46 PM  

bindlestiff2600: Pincy: bindlestiff2600: just sayin

age to smoke 18
age to vote     18
age to drink     21
age to drive with help 16
age to drive by yourself 18

age to become pregnant and or raise a child - no age requirement necesary

Your point?  Are you saying we could somehow legally mandate when a girl starts to menstruate?

no
i would tho invite suggestions as to why the age limits were established
ive generally been told that it was because of a lack of maturity
your erudite thoughts on the matter are welcome


Still don't get your point?  Could you clarify please?  Why were you trying to equate all of those things to getting pregnant as if we could put some kind of age restriction on pregancy?
 
2013-10-08 03:02:10 PM  
Petey4335:

Your karma is looking pretty damn good.
 
2013-10-08 04:12:33 PM  

Rhino_man: Oh, so you're one of those "all wars are bad" people.


Perhaps, like many of us, Dave is one of those "War is an occasionally unavoidable, necessary evil." people.
/War is always evil.
 
2013-10-08 04:42:31 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: Rhino_man: Oh, so you're one of those "all wars are bad" people.

Perhaps, like many of us, Dave is one of those "War is an occasionally unavoidable, necessary evil." people.
/War is always evil.


Different terms have different meanings.  All wars are evil, but you're right in that some are unavoidable... which makes our involvement NOT BAD.

WWII is a prime example.
 
2013-10-08 06:44:22 PM  

hardinparamedic: ArcadianRefugee: fark that: what if Zimmerman had had a baby?

/I mean, like, right there, right in front of Martin

Well, we know he wouldn't have let that THUG abort that poor, defenseless little baby. I mean, have you ever seen a baby? They're pretty much formed after two days of fertilization. DID YOU KNOW THAT THE HEART BEATS AFTER THREE DAYS?

Everytime a liebral demoncrat tricks a poor woman into getting a murderbortion, they are killing this.

[takeasmileindia.files.wordpress.com image 600x728]

Now just look at that corn and shiat covered face, and tell me you could murder that baby.


Well, maybe not that baby, but what about this one?!

i44.tinypic.com
 
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