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2013-10-07 04:36:07 PM
I bet she's mature enough to kill herself when there's no way out for her.  By God I hope that doesn't happen.
 
2013-10-07 04:36:38 PM
A complete travesty. People pushing their religious beliefs on a young girl. She has no place to go.

And thanks to the conservative thought, they aren't going to take care of it.
 
2013-10-07 04:41:46 PM
Too bad she's not rich - she could go to a state that doesn't suck to get one.
 
2013-10-07 04:42:44 PM
But 16 year-olds can get an abortion in the same manner they can buy a car -- with parental consent.
 
2013-10-07 04:42:56 PM
Since she's in Nebraska, can't she just drop the baby off on the judge's bench, no questions asked, and the state will accept the kid?
 
2013-10-07 04:46:38 PM
And this worthless wanna-be child murderer will probably want welfare for the baby we force her to have.
 
2013-10-07 05:21:22 PM
After she's forced to shove the parasite out of her body, she should leave it on the judge's doorstep with a note indicating that he forced her to do it, so the baby is his problem.
 
2013-10-07 05:21:25 PM
We need that Jackie Chan "What" meme
 
2013-10-07 05:23:40 PM
 So instead, this immature young woman who does not want a baby will become a mother. Everyone wins.

Maybe she can seek out an abortion by other means, if you can't get a safe one done by professionals maybe there's another way you could achieve the same goal.
 
2013-10-07 05:24:40 PM

minoridiot: But 16 year-olds can get an abortion in the same manner they can buy a car -- with parental consent.


The girl is a ward of the state. So she asked the state and they decided that she was too immature to get an abortion but mature enough to be a mom.
 
2013-10-07 05:24:49 PM
I'm at a loss for words.

Even if the state doesn't make her keep it (wow, that sounds fu*ked up), she will know her child is growing up in the same crappy foster system she's been living in.

That sucks.
 
2013-10-07 05:26:13 PM
Start of the article: ...Nebraska Supreme Court...

Middle of article: ...Supreme Court...

Note to "journalist", 'Supreme Court' is not shorthand for 'State Supreme Court'.

/and I'll put my commas where I like them because, while incorrect, they do not confuse the situation
//pet peeve
 
2013-10-07 05:30:01 PM

RedPhoenix122: I bet she's mature enough to killabort herself when there's no way out for her.  By God I hope that doesn't happen.

 
2013-10-07 05:30:33 PM

crazydave023: We need that Jackie Chan "What" meme


www.troll.me
 
2013-10-07 05:30:47 PM
I sear to Bob this isn't from the Onion:

Nebraska's Safe Haven Law:

Nebraska's safe haven has received the most publicity out of all safe haven programs, however, it is not because of all of the babies they were saving. Nebraska's safe haven law did not specify an age limit for which children could be dropped off, which resulted in 35 children being left for safe haven protection, most kids over age 10. Nebraska's safe haven law has since been revised to place an age limitation to protect only newborns, so that children over age 30 days old can not be dropped off.

Basically just leave the baby at the door step of any firehouse and walk away. Simple as that.

Or spend the 68 bucks to get a Grayhound ticket to a state that will help you with your little problem
 
2013-10-07 05:32:01 PM

odinsposse: minoridiot: But 16 year-olds can get an abortion in the same manner they can buy a car -- with parental consent.

The girl is a ward of the state. So she asked the state and they decided that she was too immature to get an abortion but mature enough to be a mom.


How much you wanna bet they'll make it as difficult as possible to get welfare on top of it?
 
2013-10-07 05:32:45 PM
Generally I'd wonder what the SCOTUS would have to say, but with this bunch I have a feeling there'll be some kind of whargarble about the rights of the state and basically nothing.
 
2013-10-07 05:33:20 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Or spend the 68 bucks to get a Grayhound ticket to a state that will help you with your little problem


How many kids in foster care have $68? How many states will provide an abortion to a 16-year-old without parental consent?
 
2013-10-07 05:38:54 PM

Darth_Lukecash: A complete travesty. People pushing their religious beliefs on a young girl. She has no place to go.

And thanks to the conservative thought, they aren't going to take care of it.


I'm hoping 'across state lines' is an option for her. Of course, the adult who drives her there will be charged with kidnapping for taking a minor out of the state.

Headso: Maybe she can seek out an abortion by other means, if you can't get a safe one done by professionals maybe there's another way you could achieve the same goal.


What are you talking about?  No one has ever gotten an abortion illegally. That kind of thing just doesn't happen. There's absolutely no possibility a desperate pregnant 16-year-old in the adoption system after being raised by abusive parents and subsequently failed by that system would ever seek out and perform a criminal act.
 
2013-10-07 05:39:28 PM
I submitted this with a nearly identical headline . . . two days ago. :-(
 
2013-10-07 05:42:13 PM
She can drop it off the Tallahassee Bridge.
 
2013-10-07 05:42:14 PM

Flappyhead: odinsposse: minoridiot: But 16 year-olds can get an abortion in the same manner they can buy a car -- with parental consent.

The girl is a ward of the state. So she asked the state and they decided that she was too immature to get an abortion but mature enough to be a mom.

How much you wanna bet they'll make it as difficult as possible to get welfare on top of it?


I don't make bets I know I'll lose.
 
2013-10-07 05:44:19 PM

AMonkey'sUncle: She can drop it off the Tallahassee Bridge.


Ding dang ni-bong autocorrect. Tallahatchie.
 
2013-10-07 05:45:45 PM
Anti-abortionists don't gave a shiat about what happens to the child once it is born?

Quick, Robin. To the Romero-mobile at once!
 
2013-10-07 05:53:09 PM

odinsposse: minoridiot: But 16 year-olds can get an abortion in the same manner they can buy a car -- with parental consent.

The girl is a ward of the state. So she asked the state and they decided that she was too immature to get an abortion but mature enough to be a mom.


Being a ward of the state is just a bad place to be.  While waiting for the TPR appeals process to be over, we had a specialist appointment for one of the kids. We couldn't sign medical documents.  They asked for someone to come down that could sign AND stay for the appointment.  We were like, WTF, what do you want us to do?  Go grab Scott Walker and drag him with us? (we got our social worker's department head to show up eventually.)


Finally got to adopt our 9 year old twins and a 13 year old a little over a month ago.

That said:  This is a plead for anyone who is considering adopting children.  Please at least consider older kids.
 
2013-10-07 05:57:05 PM

WippitGuud: crazydave023: We need that Jackie Chan "What" meme

[www.troll.me image 552x360]


Thank you.


How the child was conceived will determine my sympathy/ire for her though.
 
2013-10-07 05:57:55 PM

DeaH: How many kids in foster care have $68? How many states will provide an abortion to a 16-year-old without parental consent?


68 bucks will get you anywhere in the nation. I'm sure you can find one.

If she doesn't have the money for the abortion then it's a moot point.
 
2013-10-07 05:58:04 PM

DeaH: How many kids in foster care have $68?


My understanding is that anyone who relies on government support is rich.  She probably has a spinning Obamaphone made out of lobster that she picked up at Planned Parenthood.

/Also if Anonymous 5 is black, she talks in a weird form of Ebonics that cannot be heard except by upper-middle class white people.
 
2013-10-07 06:00:16 PM
While I do think abortion would probably the best option for this girl, I also can't really muster a whole lot of sympathy for teenagers dumb enough to get pregnant in the first place, so I'm not really sure where I should direct my outrage.

I suppose I feel that while you shouldn't punish the unborn child by making it live its life in the same crummy upbringing it's mother did, and you shouldn't punish society by unleashing another ward onto the state, I also feel that abortion is too simple a solution as well. There needs to be consequences for making dumb choices in life. I understand that for many women, the abortion itself is the consequence, the mental and emotional toll that takes on you can very well haunt you for the rest of your life. On the other hand, the sad truth is that that's not always the case, some people are just cold and callous and think of having an abortion as nothing more than a simple outpatient procedure, and just another form of birth control.
 
2013-10-07 06:05:42 PM

spman: While I do think abortion would probably the best option for this girl, I also can't really muster a whole lot of sympathy for teenagers dumb enough to get pregnant in the first place, so I'm not really sure where I should direct my outrage.



Do you honestly believe this child had any physical/sexualeducation other than perhaps "abstinence only!"?  As a foster child? In Nebraska?  They aren't all dumb, many are purposefully misinformed.
 
2013-10-07 06:06:44 PM

Petey4335: odinsposse: minoridiot: But 16 year-olds can get an abortion in the same manner they can buy a car -- with parental consent.

The girl is a ward of the state. So she asked the state and they decided that she was too immature to get an abortion but mature enough to be a mom.

Being a ward of the state is just a bad place to be.  While waiting for the TPR appeals process to be over, we had a specialist appointment for one of the kids. We couldn't sign medical documents.  They asked for someone to come down that could sign AND stay for the appointment.  We were like, WTF, what do you want us to do?  Go grab Scott Walker and drag him with us? (we got our social worker's department head to show up eventually.)


Finally got to adopt our 9 year old twins and a 13 year old a little over a month ago.

That said:  This is a plead for anyone who is considering adopting children.  Please at least consider older kids.

Best wishes to you with your new family.  And that's great advice for FARK'ers to consider older chilldren for adoption.  Like older animals in need of a home, older children are usually the last considered since most want infants and young children (and most want puppies and kittens who are seeking out a pet for adoption over an older dog or cat)

 
2013-10-07 06:08:57 PM

Carn: And this worthless wanna-be child murderer will probably want welfare for the baby we force her to have.


worse case scenario
kid is kept
with a mothers - if only you were dead attitude and i never wanted you

serial killer of the future
 
2013-10-07 06:17:45 PM
Nebraska rules 16-year-old girl too immature to get abortion, plenty mature to raise a child is property of the State and can be forced to have its children.

FTFYS

/Nazis. Always, always ready to Godwin a thread
 
2013-10-07 06:18:46 PM

bindlestiff2600: Carn: And this worthless wanna-be child murderer will probably want welfare for the baby we force her to have.

worse case scenario
kid is kept
with a mothers - if only you were dead attitude and i never wanted you

serial killer of the future


Is this a poor attempt at haiku or are you mentally ill?
 
2013-10-07 06:20:14 PM

spman: While I do think abortion would probably the best option for this girl, I also can't really muster a whole lot of sympathy for teenagers dumb enough to get pregnant in the first place, so I'm not really sure where I should direct my outrage.

I suppose I feel that while you shouldn't punish the unborn child by making it live its life in the same crummy upbringing it's mother did, and you shouldn't punish society by unleashing another ward onto the state, I also feel that abortion is too simple a solution as well. There needs to be consequences for making dumb choices in life. I understand that for many women, the abortion itself is the consequence, the mental and emotional toll that takes on you can very well haunt you for the rest of your life. On the other hand, the sad truth is that that's not always the case, some people are just cold and callous and think of having an abortion as nothing more than a simple outpatient procedure, and just another form of birth control.


Well, the end result is going to be terribly toxic for everyone involved, but at least a slut got her comeuppance.  Real big win there for you.  Congrats.
 
2013-10-07 06:24:35 PM

odinsposse: minoridiot: But 16 year-olds can get an abortion in the same manner they can buy a car -- with parental consent.

The girl is a ward of the state. So she asked the state and they decided that she was too immature to get an abortion but mature enough to be a mom.


Maybe she can file for legal emancipation?
 
2013-10-07 06:25:20 PM
There's no contradiction here. She's too immature now, but in a few months she'll be lot more maturer.
 
2013-10-07 06:25:32 PM

spman: ... [words] ... some people are just cold and callous ... [words] ...


spman, meet mirror. Mirror meet spman.
 
2013-10-07 06:27:17 PM

BSABSVR: bindlestiff2600: Carn: And this worthless wanna-be child murderer will probably want welfare for the baby we force her to have.

worse case scenario
kid is kept
with a mothers - if only you were dead attitude and i never wanted you

serial killer of the future

Is this a poor attempt at haiku or are you mentally ill?

dear fellow - (so sorry if this does not fit what you like to believe)
worst possible parent
is one that makes it clear
they wish the child was dead

you on the other hand
seem to assume that children are immune to the effects of parents
that dont want them

 
2013-10-07 06:28:12 PM
just another disgusting judicial ruling, stay classy Nebraska.
 
2013-10-07 06:29:43 PM
I hear she is taking up new hobbies, like MMA, kickboxing, weightlifting, etc.  I certainly hope that doesn't cause her to miscarry.
 
2013-10-07 06:29:56 PM
I'm sure the anti choice people don't want her on SNAP our section 8 after the baby comes either. They'd rather just stand in front of planned parenthood in Lincoln with signs and stern looks rather than make a real difference and look down on people judgmentally.
 
2013-10-07 06:31:33 PM

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Ant
2013-10-07 06:35:05 PM
And she damn well better not ask for welfare when she's raising that baby we made her carry to term. She should've thought about that before she got pregnant!
 
2013-10-07 06:36:09 PM

Donnchadha: Since she's in Nebraska, can't she just drop the baby off on the judge's bench, no questions asked, and the state will accept the kid?


No, no, no. That's no good. She has to be able to kill the baby. Just giving it up for adoption if she's not mature enough to raise it isn't good enough.

/this is only half troll. I'm still pro choice even though most pro choice whiny arguments are bullshiat.
 
2013-10-07 06:36:31 PM
A girl mature enough to emancipate herself from abusive parents and to wade through the legal wranglings of the family court system isn't considered mature?

Most people who do that have law degrees.
 
Ant
2013-10-07 06:43:31 PM

Best Princess Celestia: How the child was conceived will determine my sympathy/ire for her though.


Why? Who gives a shiat? She's 16.
 
2013-10-07 06:43:42 PM

spman: While I do think abortion would probably the best option for this girl, I also can't really muster a whole lot of sympathy for teenagers dumb enough to get pregnant in the first place, so I'm not really sure where I should direct my outrage.

I suppose I feel that while you shouldn't punish the unborn child by making it live its life in the same crummy upbringing it's mother did, and you shouldn't punish society by unleashing another ward onto the state, I also feel that abortion is too simple a solution as well. There needs to be consequences for making dumb choices in life. I understand that for many women, the abortion itself is the consequence, the mental and emotional toll that takes on you can very well haunt you for the rest of your life. On the other hand, the sad truth is that that's not always the case, some people are just cold and callous and think of having an abortion as nothing more than a simple outpatient procedure, and just another form of birth control.


Well, we're all glad to hear that you think abortion should be legalized - but only in the cases where you think the woman is sufficiently guilty.

You're the kind of moron that gets thinks like ultrasound rape wanding written into law.  Shame those sluts into motherhood - that'll show 'em!
 
2013-10-07 06:44:30 PM
I'll take her to a theme park and we will ride roller coasters for 12 hours. Then it's on to the kickboxing tournament.
 
2013-10-07 06:47:37 PM

Petey4335: odinsposse: minoridiot: But 16 year-olds can get an abortion in the same manner they can buy a car -- with parental consent.

The girl is a ward of the state. So she asked the state and they decided that she was too immature to get an abortion but mature enough to be a mom.

Being a ward of the state is just a bad place to be.  While waiting for the TPR appeals process to be over, we had a specialist appointment for one of the kids. We couldn't sign medical documents.  They asked for someone to come down that could sign AND stay for the appointment.  We were like, WTF, what do you want us to do?  Go grab Scott Walker and drag him with us? (we got our social worker's department head to show up eventually.)


Finally got to adopt our 9 year old twins and a 13 year old a little over a month ago.

That said:  This is a plead for anyone who is considering adopting children.  Please at least consider older kids.


congrats.

I decided a long time ago (when I was in middle school) I was only going to adopt.  Since I'm now at the age my Mom had me and I'm not planning on adopting a kid in the very near future, I figure I'll just adopt a kid who was born around 2013, even if that's 5 to 15 years from now.

But seriously, this.

Karac: A girl mature enough to emancipate herself from abusive parents and to wade through the legal wranglings of the family court system isn't considered mature?

Most people who do that have law degrees.


And they aren't always successful.  Seriously, this.

She worried that she didn't have the financial resources to support a child or to be "the right mom that I would like to be right now."
...
Since Anonymous 5 is a ward of the State Department of Health and Human Services-she actually requested the abortion at the confidential hearing dissolving the parental rights of her biological mother and father, who were physically abusive-she doesn't have anyone to grant her consent. "
...
Either way, at her hearing, the young woman said she did not want to involve her foster family because they held strong religious beliefs-she feared that if they found out about her pregnancy, she'd lose her placement.


Goddamn.  Just... godf--kingdammit.

At least she seems pretty resilient.  But if she's in a foster family that's actually decent other than that... and this stupid f--king BS causes her to get kicked out of there... Christ.

Here's hoping she doesn't give up fighting, somehow.  Wish she wasn't anonymous so someone could set up a college fund for her (although I understand why she is).  It seems like she's doing all she can to claw her way out into a better life and just... f--k.  A stupid mistake.  That teens are very wont to do.  And I'd wager dollars to donuts there was no type of respectable sex ed provided  to her.

/goddammit
//guess I'll donate http://www.guttmacher.org/  there instead.
 
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