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2013-10-07 12:51:01 PM
Hey, Tim Russert was no slouch.
 
2013-10-07 01:11:29 PM
Thanks for the useful article which totally mentions Rand Paul's answers to the questions "Do you take any responsibility for the tone, for your part in this?" and "Will Republicans let this country go into default?" It makes me oh so likely to spend my time on your site in the future, Ms. HuffingtonPost.
 
2013-10-07 01:19:12 PM
Bad subby.

graphics8.nytimes.com

Tim Russert was one of the last real journalists in Washington.
 
2013-10-07 01:19:49 PM

RminusQ: Thanks for the useful article which totally mentions Rand Paul's answers to the questions "Do you take any responsibility for the tone, for your part in this?" and "Will Republicans let this country go into default?" It makes me oh so likely to spend my time on your site in the future, Ms. HuffingtonPost.


Ah. Your video player must not work.
 
2013-10-07 01:20:39 PM
These are not hard hitting questions. These are basic questions.

Goddammitsomuch. This is the problem with our media.
 
2013-10-07 01:22:57 PM
Even though the article didn't tell us, I'm sure Mr. Paul's answers were substantive, intelligent, and well-reasoned. I would expect nothing less from an individual in his position.
 
2013-10-07 01:23:27 PM
But were they also treated to substantive answers?
//Sees Rand Paul and thinks, No
 
2013-10-07 01:23:45 PM
In other words, Obama's loyal lapdogs are doing his bidding, which is the liberal definition of 'substantive'.
 
2013-10-07 01:24:39 PM
Hardhitting questions are useless if the answer is derp, and the questioner rolls over and dies rather than correcting said derp.

Viz. Paul's standard answer re: debt ceiling and default - US gov't takes in 250B and the interest is 20 (or 30 depending of which show you saw him on), so we don't default because we have enough.

Burnett or this one roll over and don't ask him, "Then which contractors would you pay, and which would you not pay?"
 
2013-10-07 01:25:59 PM
Bob Schieffer on "Face The Nation" was no different on Cornyn.
 
2013-10-07 01:27:01 PM

randomjsa: In other words, Obama's loyal lapdogs are doing his bidding, which is the liberal definition of 'substantive'.


You're adorable.
 
2013-10-07 01:27:02 PM
My how our standards have fallen. I watched that exchange live, if we're going to call that holding someone's feet to the fire that must mean that the term "fire" now includes cold ashes.
 
2013-10-07 01:27:26 PM

Bontesla: These are not hard hitting questions. These are basic questions.

Goddammitsomuch. This is the problem with our media.


But good job, Samantha Guthrie, asking very basic questions and sitting back and looking pretty while they completely ignore or dodge them.
 
2013-10-07 01:27:51 PM

randomjsa: In other words, Obama's loyal lapdogs are doing his bidding, which is the liberal definition of 'substantive'.


You should take some time off and recharge your batteries. You're just phoning it in lately.
 
2013-10-07 01:27:57 PM

You will of course notice that the headline did not say

Americans are Disgusted by Republican Shutdown Antics


I wonder why. I guess they are still too concerned about appearing biased.
 
2013-10-07 01:27:59 PM
When are democrats going to admit that the majority of the voters in the country do not want Obamacare, and the only reason Obama won the election is the republicans offered up that idiot Romney on their ballet.

The fact is that at no time has ANY national poll shown that the majority of americans want the ACA... the democrats should acknowledge this with the republicans and work out a compromise that is best for the country.

The first part is that Obama is handing out exemptions to major campaign donors (like unions) for a one year exemption but sticking it to regular americans... exemptions should be available to all, if they want it.

The second part is that they should not levy any fines for the first year or two and use that time to show americans just how big a fine they would have had (have this come from the IRS and not some web site).

There are so many better ways for this to be handled on both sides... it seems like both dont give a rats ass about their constituents.
 
2013-10-07 01:28:00 PM
Meet the Press

Seriously, shows like this are straight out of my dad's generation, boomer hell.

Who the fark even watches them anymore?
 
2013-10-07 01:29:15 PM

randomjsa: In other words, Obama's loyal lapdogs are doing his bidding, which is the liberal definition of 'substantive'.

i578.photobucket.com
 
2013-10-07 01:29:41 PM

nmrsnr: Hey, Tim Russert was no slouch.


Doc Daneeka: Bad subby.

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Tim Russert was one of the last real journalists in Washington.


Are you guys kidding me? Tim Russert pitched more softballs than Jennie Finch.
 
2013-10-07 01:30:15 PM
Article is too long, didn't read.

Both parties are bad.
 
2013-10-07 01:30:43 PM
It's kind of embarrassing that HuffPo followed the article with a slide show of "Savannah Guthrie's Style Evolution."

Ladies: Asking questions and wearing clothes
 
2013-10-07 01:30:53 PM

AspectRatio: Even though the article didn't tell us, I'm sure Mr. Paul's answers were substantive, intelligent, and well-reasoned. I would expect nothing less from an individual in his position.


They were evasive, often outright untruthful, and she toed the David Gregory line of not asking follow-ups when he was flat out lying to her face.

No substantive change that I could see.
 
2013-10-07 01:31:19 PM

whidbey: Meet the Press

Seriously, shows like this are straight out of my dad's generation, boomer hell.

Who the fark even watches them anymore?


If I hear shows like this starting, a mention of who the guests will be always makes me turn the TV off, quickly.
 
2013-10-07 01:32:12 PM

randomjsa: 'substantive'.


You have no standing to make such an evaluation.  You're weak and your stances hold no valid premises.

/you don't come here for the hunting
 
2013-10-07 01:33:11 PM

dwrash: When are democrats going to admit that the majority of the voters in the country do not want Obamacare, and the only reason Obama won the election is the republicans offered up that idiot Romney on their ballet.

The fact is that at no time has ANY national poll shown that the majority of americans want the ACA... the democrats should acknowledge this with the republicans and work out a compromise that is best for the country.


So when did one-third equal a majority?  Is that that fuzzy math that I heard about years ago?
 
2013-10-07 01:33:16 PM
After watching the video, the answer was 'well, the real heart of the problem is that we're not passing appropriations bills like we should'.

Well, thank you Sen. Ric Romero.  Now why would that be?
 
2013-10-07 01:34:08 PM

gilgigamesh: AspectRatio: Even though the article didn't tell us, I'm sure Mr. Paul's answers were substantive, intelligent, and well-reasoned. I would expect nothing less from an individual in his position.

They were evasive, often outright untruthful, and she toed the David Gregory line of not asking follow-ups when he was flat out lying to her face.

No substantive change that I could see.


Farking this.
 
2013-10-07 01:34:12 PM
Russert was a hack. Less so than most others but gimmicky got'cha questions aren't particularly praiseworthy. Chris Hayes makes Russert look like an E! reporter.
 
2013-10-07 01:35:14 PM

nmrsnr: Hey, Tim Russert was no slouch.


Done in one. You should know better.

Bontesla: RminusQ: Thanks for the useful article which totally mentions Rand Paul's answers to the questions "Do you take any responsibility for the tone, for your part in this?" and "Will Republicans let this country go into default?" It makes me oh so likely to spend my time on your site in the future, Ms. HuffingtonPost.

Ah. Your video player must not work.


I'm at work and it's much easier to read an article than to watch a video. We were treated to substantive questions, but apparently not substantive enough answers to print.
 
2013-10-07 01:36:07 PM

Rwa2play: dwrash: When are democrats going to admit that the majority of the voters in the country do not want Obamacare, and the only reason Obama won the election is the republicans offered up that idiot Romney on their ballet.

The fact is that at no time has ANY national poll shown that the majority of americans want the ACA... the democrats should acknowledge this with the republicans and work out a compromise that is best for the country.

So when did one-third equal a majority?  Is that that fuzzy math that I heard about years ago?


The http://themorningconsult.com/crosstabs-on-september-2013-tracking-poll /">new poll was conducted by the http://themorningconsult.com/about/">Morning Consult, a healthcare media company founded by Michael Ramlet. Ramlet, in evaluating the results of his survey, finds that voters are "unmoved by three months of the defund argument," and that a majority would "blame congressional Republicans a lot for a government shutdown."

So a healthcare company with its own unique poll that no one has a track record on finally shows up on the stage when the democrats want it... how convienient.

And none of the questions asked in the poll were for a favorability vote... they asked many questions and then totalled up the numbers to make it look like they wanted it.

Lame.
 
2013-10-07 01:36:18 PM
They need to grill the politicians I don't like it dammit!
 
2013-10-07 01:37:47 PM

TofuTheAlmighty: Russert was a hack. Less so than most others but gimmicky got'cha questions aren't particularly praiseworthy. Chris Hayes makes Russert look like an E! reporter.


The Washington (DC) press corps at this point are basically a group of people dying to fellate any influential people in Washington so they can have access.
 
2013-10-07 01:38:18 PM
RAND PAUL?! 

You mean the same RAND PAUL that voted against aid money going to Sandy relief efforts, but BEGGED Obama for aid money when his state was hit by tornadoes last year? 

That RAND PAUL!?

/RAND PAUL!
 
2013-10-07 01:39:37 PM

gilgigamesh: They were evasive, often outright untruthful, and she toed the David Gregory line of not asking follow-ups when he was flat out lying to her face.


If you ask Rand Paul a question about say the government shutdown, there are any number of ways he could go with to answer it.  To ask a substantive follow-up or point out a complete lie requires you to do your homework.  When you interview someone about Obamacare, the only way to ask decent questions or call out lies is to actually know what's written in the law.  That requires work and effort.  It also requires you to be paying attention when the person is talking to you and it requires you to be actively engaged in the conversation, which requires a lot of energy and thought.  It's not easy.  It's much easier to spend the time instead with a make-up artist to look pretty and then deliver some scathing sounding pre-written questions and pretend you're a hard-hitting journalist.
 
2013-10-07 01:42:30 PM

dwrash: Lame.


You know what's lame?  Clearly and firmly setting the goalposts:

dwrash: the fact is that at no time has ANY national poll shown

And then picking them up and moving them:

dwrash: So a healthcare company with its own unique poll that no one has a track record on finally shows up on the stage when the democrats want it... how convienient.


You were wrong, you got told.  Just take your "Oh snap!" like a man.
 
2013-10-07 01:43:03 PM

dwrash: Rwa2play: dwrash: When are democrats going to admit that the majority of the voters in the country do not want Obamacare, and the only reason Obama won the election is the republicans offered up that idiot Romney on their ballet.

The fact is that at no time has ANY national poll shown that the majority of americans want the ACA... the democrats should acknowledge this with the republicans and work out a compromise that is best for the country.

So when did one-third equal a majority?  Is that that fuzzy math that I heard about years ago?

The http://themorningconsult.com/crosstabs-on-september-2013-tracking-poll /">new poll was conducted by the http://themorningconsult.com/about/">Morning Consult, a healthcare media company founded by Michael Ramlet. Ramlet, in evaluating the results of his survey, finds that voters are "unmoved by three months of the defund argument," and that a majority would "blame congressional Republicans a lot for a government shutdown."

So a healthcare company with its own unique poll that no one has a track record on finally shows up on the stage when the democrats want it... how convienient.

And none of the questions asked in the poll were for a favorability vote... they asked many questions and then totalled up the numbers to make it look like they wanted it.

Lame.


Ah yes, the ad hominem argument; even Bloomberg's poll shows support for Obamacare.  So what now snookums?  Dismiss this because it doesn't fit your narrative?
 
2013-10-07 01:43:21 PM
here's the deal. a default on the nation's credit would actually affect them. that's why they're starting to do their jobs.
 
2013-10-07 01:44:19 PM

BMulligan: Are you guys kidding me? Tim Russert pitched more softballs than Jennie Finch.


Are we done with the "Transplanted Girl Makes Good" Tucson insider jokes yet?
 
2013-10-07 01:44:51 PM

lennavan: dwrash: Lame.

You know what's lame?  Clearly and firmly setting the goalposts:

dwrash: the fact is that at no time has ANY national poll shown

And then picking them up and moving them:

dwrash: So a healthcare company with its own unique poll that no one has a track record on finally shows up on the stage when the democrats want it... how convienient.

You were wrong, you got told.  Just take your "Oh snap!" like a man.


Yeah well, I don't expect Mr. Chip Diller over there to accept reality even when reality'shiatting him over the head with a 2 x 4.
 
2013-10-07 01:46:08 PM

Rwa2play: sobriquet by any other name: randomjsa: In other words, Obama's loyal lapdogs are doing his bidding, which is the liberal definition of 'substantive'.

there's only so much i can take. Plonk.

He's not even trying to try at this point.



For real.  I love how conservatives seem to think that they have a monopoly on complaining about media bias.  As someone already pointed out, the questions being asked of Rand Paul weren't even partisan - they were just decent questions that any actual journalist should be asking.

The problem is that the right has no idea what journalism is supposed to be.  They live in the fox news / right wing media bubble where they can't see the difference between an uninformed, partisan, pundit asshat like Karl Rove, and an actual journalist like Walter Cronkite.  So when they see anyone in the "mainstream media" acting in any way like a competent journalist, they scream "LIBERAL MEDIA BIAS!"

My hope this entire shutdown has been that the media outlets will end the lazy false equivalence, "both sides are to blame" nonsense, and actually hold the GOP accountable for its behavior.  Looking at cnn, or NBC, ABC, etc., you would never realize that the GOP has for months publicly stated its intent to close the government down as a strategy to defund obamacare.  They're letting the GOP get away with forcing a government shutdown, threatening default, and then acting like it's all Obama's fault, because all they want to do is enter some reasonable budget negotiations with Obama (completely ignoring the fact that the GOP hasn't taken any steps to negotiate a budget for the past year, because all they really wanted was to use a government shutdown and potential default as a platform for making another nonsensical stand against obamacare in the hope of scoring political points).
 
2013-10-07 01:47:19 PM

dwrash: The fact is that at no time has ANY national poll shown that the majority of americans want the ACA... the democrats should acknowledge this with the republicans and work out a compromise that is best for the country.


And yet significant majorities like its features. It's almost like years of lying about death panels have led to a knee-jerk reaction in people when they hear "Obamacare". Another poll (posted here on Fark last week, I think) showed that more people liked the ACA than Obamacare despite being the same thing. When people are asked about the specifics of it, they like it. That is also a fact.
 
2013-10-07 01:47:53 PM

dwrash: Romney on their ballet.


cdn.theatlantic.com

It's actually dressage, but it kind of looks like a sort of dance, so I understand the confusion.
 
2013-10-07 01:48:40 PM

dwrash: When are democrats going to admit that the majority of the voters in the country do not want Obamacare, and the only reason Obama won the election is the republicans offered up that idiot Romney on their ballet.

The fact is that at no time has ANY national poll shown that the majority of americans want the ACA... the democrats should acknowledge this with the republicans and work out a compromise that is best for the country.

The first part is that Obama is handing out exemptions to major campaign donors (like unions) for a one year exemption but sticking it to regular americans... exemptions should be available to all, if they want it.

The second part is that they should not levy any fines for the first year or two and use that time to show americans just how big a fine they would have had (have this come from the IRS and not some web site).

There are so many better ways for this to be handled on both sides... it seems like both dont give a rats ass about their constituents.


Let's see: First off, when you take away the name "ObamaCare", Americans DO want it. All the major components get 60% or higher.

You start with a false premise. Your argument is moot.

Good day sir... I SAID GOOD DAY...
 
2013-10-07 01:49:16 PM

whidbey: Meet the Press

Seriously, shows like this are straight out of my dad's generation, boomer hell.

Who the fark even watches them anymore?


Sunday morning public affairs programming died with David Brinkley. If nothing else, he embodied the old adage that anything worth doing is worth doing drunk.

super_grass: They need to grill the politicians I don't like it dammit!


I don't usually respond to your nonsense, but I think it's important that anyone whose in a position of pubic authority should be subject to a good grilling now and then. The politicians I most admire are the ones who handle the process with grace.
 
2013-10-07 01:50:28 PM
BMulligan: whose who's

This is my ashamed face.
 
2013-10-07 01:50:32 PM
So, as of this morning, the Chamber of Commerce has come out, declaring their financial backing for any Republican facing a Tea Derper primary challenge because they vote 'yes' on a clean CR and a debt ceiling raise.

And the Chinese have come out and openly said "Clean up your house, Americans."

Every day, it gets harder and harder for the GOP to keep this going.
 
2013-10-07 01:50:33 PM

Chummer45: Rwa2play: sobriquet by any other name: randomjsa: In other words, Obama's loyal lapdogs are doing his bidding, which is the liberal definition of 'substantive'.

there's only so much i can take. Plonk.

He's not even trying to try at this point.


For real.  I love how conservatives seem to think that they have a monopoly on complaining about media bias.  As someone already pointed out, the questions being asked of Rand Paul weren't even partisan - they were just decent questions that any actual journalist should be asking.

The problem is that the right has no idea what journalism is supposed to be.  They live in the fox news / right wing media bubble where they can't see the difference between an uninformed, partisan, pundit asshat like Karl Rove, and an actual journalist like Walter Cronkite.  So when they see anyone in the "mainstream media" acting in any way like a competent journalist, they scream "LIBERAL MEDIA BIAS!"

My hope this entire shutdown has been that the media outlets will end the lazy false equivalence, "both sides are to blame" nonsense, and actually hold the GOP accountable for its behavior.  Looking at cnn, or NBC, ABC, etc., you would never realize that the GOP has for months publicly stated its intent to close the government down as a strategy to defund obamacare.  They're letting the GOP get away with forcing a government shutdown, threatening default, and then acting like it's all Obama's fault, because all they want to do is enter some reasonable budget negotiations with Obama (completely ignoring the fact that the GOP hasn't taken any steps to negotiate a budget for the past year, because all they really wanted was to use a government shutdown and potential default as a platform for making another nonsensical stand against obamacare in the hope of scoring political points).


This is why I get my news from the BBC and Jon Stewart.  The media at this point are clownshoes.
 
2013-10-07 01:51:15 PM

BMulligan: Are you guys kidding me? Tim Russert pitched more softballs than Jennie Finch.


Cheney:  "We know that based on intelligence that he has been very, very good at hiding these kinds of efforts. He's had years to get good at it and we know he has been absolutely devoted to trying to acquire nuclear weapons. And we believe he has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons. I think Mr. ElBaradei frankly is wrong."


Russert:  *swooooooosh* "Next question...."
 
2013-10-07 01:51:24 PM

dwrash: When are democrats going to admit that the majority of the voters in the country do not want Obamacare, and the only reason Obama won the election is the republicans offered up that idiot Romney on their ballet.

The fact is that at no time has ANY national poll shown that the majority of americans want the ACA... the democrats should acknowledge this with the republicans and work out a compromise that is best for the country.

The first part is that Obama is handing out exemptions to major campaign donors (like unions) for a one year exemption but sticking it to regular americans... exemptions should be available to all, if they want it.

The second part is that they should not levy any fines for the first year or two and use that time to show americans just how big a fine they would have had (have this come from the IRS and not some web site).

There are so many better ways for this to be handled on both sides... it seems like both dont give a rats ass about their constituents.


It's already the law and Americans have shown they don't want a GOP shutdown as a blackmail tool.
 
2013-10-07 01:51:28 PM
I'd like to propose a Sunday political chat show called "Mike Mike."  Mike Tyson with a microphone.  Mike asks quests a question, the viewing audience votes on whether or not it has been answered, and if not, the guest is escorted into a ring to go a round with Mike.  Mike bashes an answer out of the guest.

/I, for one, can't foresee any voting irregularities at all
 
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