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(BBC)   Anti-vaccination opponents kill two with bomb blast, kill thousands more via preventable infectious disease   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 131
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2013-10-07 02:35:16 PM  

cwolf20: Wait.. so someone who opposed Anti-Vaccination bigots decided to blow them up.  Gotcha


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2013-10-07 02:42:28 PM  
Going to say my piece on anti-vax. I'm a massage therapist/physical therapist by training and I've heard a fark ton of anti-vax propaganda over the years. Granted, 90% of those that get flu vaccines do not need them, but getting rid of polio, measles, hepatitis, rabies, etc, has been great for our country. I currently live in Washington state, and last year we had a huge upswing in whooping cough cases, because people didn't vaccinate their kids. This should never happen. Every time I go out of country, I am really really glad we have those malaria pills. Science is good you god damn idiots. Yes, smoke your weed, juice your beets and be healthy, that is called PREVENTATIVE care, and PREVENTS you from getting sick, and helps you recover faster when you do. It isn't a substitute for vaccines. Just because you juice carrots, apples, beets, and ginger every day, it doesn't mean you're immune to farking polio.

Ok, I'm done. I didn't realize how worked up this gets me.
 
2013-10-07 02:43:02 PM  

cwolf20: Wait.. so someone who opposed Anti-Vaccination bigots decided to blow them up.  Gotcha


Reading comprehension...do you have it?
 
2013-10-07 02:43:52 PM  
Ignoring the stupid headline but on-topic, my wife and I have done our part to give Jenny McCorpsey a proper FU and got our son his first round of vaccines today.
 
2013-10-07 02:43:57 PM  

show me: Anti-vaccination opponents give me a headache.


are those people who are opposed to vaccinations or people who are opposed to people who are opposed to vaccinations?
 
2013-10-07 02:43:59 PM  

ginandbacon: Anti and opponent mean the same thing. Choose one, subby.


Could be any opponent; "anti-vaccination" tells you which.
 
2013-10-07 02:44:51 PM  

Alucard1191: Granted, 90% of those that get flu vaccines do not need them


The influenza virus does horrible things to the human body.

www.surgical-tutor.org.uk

We have to have 100% uptake at our facilities, or we have to wear a HEPA mask the entire flu season this year, and demonstrate medical or religious reason why we can't get the vaccine.
 
2013-10-07 02:45:59 PM  

UrukHaiGuyz: The nice thing about anti-intellectual extremists is that they tend to make themselves irrelevant in a short (historically speaking) time.


Maybe they didn't think of that.
 
2013-10-07 02:47:43 PM  

Alucard1191: Going to say my piece on anti-vax. I'm a massage therapist/physical therapist by training and I've heard a fark ton of anti-vax propaganda over the years. Granted, 90% of those that get flu vaccines do not need them, but getting rid of polio, measles, hepatitis, rabies, etc, has been great for our country. I currently live in Washington state, and last year we had a huge upswing in whooping cough cases, because people didn't vaccinate their kids. This should never happen. Every time I go out of country, I am really really glad we have those malaria pills. Science is good you god damn idiots. Yes, smoke your weed, juice your beets and be healthy, that is called PREVENTATIVE care, and PREVENTS you from getting sick, and helps you recover faster when you do. It isn't a substitute for vaccines. Just because you juice carrots, apples, beets, and ginger every day, it doesn't mean you're immune to farking polio.

Ok, I'm done. I didn't realize how worked up this gets me.


You're talking about people that are mailing infectious diseases through the post office to purposely infect their children.

Read that again.  They are purposely exposing their kids, rather than vaccinate them, and one of the articles I read in the past had them actively looking for measles so their kids could get the immunity "naturally".

Logic doesn't work on them.
 
2013-10-07 02:47:49 PM  

hardinparamedic: Alucard1191: Granted, 90% of those that get flu vaccines do not need them

The influenza virus does horrible things to the human body.

img.fark.net



Good thing that someone drew a line on that.
 
2013-10-07 02:49:36 PM  
Gah., I which we could take both Talibans, the Arab one, and the tea-party one, and just drop them into the sun.
 
2013-10-07 02:53:01 PM  

theflatline: meat0918: "A fake hepatitis vaccination campaign, run covertly by the CIA, helped to locate al-Qaeda leader Osama Bin Laden in 2011. He was then killed in an operation by US Navy Seals."

I really farking hope heads rolled over that one.

Didn't they do something similar in Columbia and used the Red Cross as cover to rescue people?

Hey assholes, don't use aid agencies as cover for covert ops.

Nope, that was a Colombian soldier who decided to look like the Red Cross on his own.



Oh come on... Ruiz was a loose cannon. He played it fast and he played it loose and in the end he got burned.
 
2013-10-07 02:53:59 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: ginandbacon: Anti and opponent mean the same thing. Choose one, subby.

Could be any opponent; "anti-vaccination" tells you which.


Which would be a pro-vaccine terrorist. Not quite the narrative here.
 
2013-10-07 02:54:06 PM  

WelldeadLink: Good thing that someone drew a line on that.


Given where that line is coming from, I'm going to say it's an IV line. For that degree of ARDS, it's odd that you don't see an ET tube, cardiac monitoring wires, or any other invasive lines.
 
2013-10-07 02:56:05 PM  

simplicimus: drxym: The Taliban - proudly promoting ignorance and backwardness since 1996.

The Taliban. Yet another CIA operation with unintended consequences.


That's not true. The Northern Alliance was the CIA operation. Remember, the guys who defeated the Taliban in 2001, with a little Special Forces and a lot of air power assistance? That's who we gave Stingers and Dushkas and Kalashnikovs and ammo to in the '80s. The Taliban came out of the madrassas in Pakistan six years after the Soviets pulled out. That was a Saudi deal. We did give the ISI a bunch of money and aid that they then funneled to the Arab foreign mujahedin who created Al Qaeda and the Taliban, but we could hardly cut them out of the deal when we had to operate from Pakistan.
 
2013-10-07 02:56:11 PM  

meat0918: Read that again.  They are purposely exposing their kids, rather than vaccinate them, and one of the articles I read in the past had them actively looking for measles so their kids could get the immunity "naturally".


Offer them fleas with the Black Death. Perfectly natural.
 
2013-10-07 02:57:37 PM  
Has anyone noticed subby's headline mistake yet?
 
2013-10-07 03:01:43 PM  

Alucard1191: Going to say my piece on anti-vax. I'm a massage therapist/physical therapist by training and I've heard a fark ton of anti-vax propaganda over the years. Granted, 90% of those that get flu vaccines do not need them, but getting rid of polio, measles, hepatitis, rabies, etc, has been great for our country. I currently live in Washington state, and last year we had a huge upswing in whooping cough cases, because people didn't vaccinate their kids. This should never happen. Every time I go out of country, I am really really glad we have those malaria pills. Science is good you god damn idiots. Yes, smoke your weed, juice your beets and be healthy, that is called PREVENTATIVE care, and PREVENTS you from getting sick, and helps you recover faster when you do. It isn't a substitute for vaccines. Just because you juice carrots, apples, beets, and ginger every day, it doesn't mean you're immune to farking polio.

Ok, I'm done. I didn't realize how worked up this gets me.


Flu shots are not unnecessary. For one thing, they increase herd immunity and stop the damn bug from spreading to people it's likely to kill. And second, have you HAD influenza? That shiat will knock you out for days/weeks. My wife was in her 30s the last time she had the flu, when she spent THREE WEEKS in bed with a high fever. We haven't missed a vaccination since. I've had the flu three times in my life, and each time I was unconscious/delirious from fever for at least 24 hours. Not to mention the headache from hell and the puking. What most people think is the flu is just a little food poisoning/parasite infection or a bad cold. The actual flu is a motherfarker.
 
2013-10-07 03:02:15 PM  

No Such Agency: NutWrench:
What the CIA did is despicable. They deliberately jeopardized the lives of foreign health care workers in Pakistan, and have made their jobs far more difficult and dangerous.

Most of what they do is despicable.  To be a spook is largely to exist in a moral vacuum where your country's evil is somehow preferable to your opponents' evil.


The problem is, there are no such thing as moral absolutes.  There is always a Godzilla Threshold, a line that, after it's crossed, any means necessary, no matter how dangerous or immoral, must be on the table.  Bin Laden passed that threshold on 9/11. Individual CIA operatives may not be able to live with themselves after the way they got him, but the true morals go to the victors: The CIA was right in doing wrong because they're alive and Godzilla's dead.

Of course, the problem with using tactics that you'd use only for those who've crossed the Godzilla Threshold is that the tend to make people angry, and more likely that they themselves will cross the Godzilla Threshold sometime in the future.
 
2013-10-07 03:05:31 PM  
Ignorant savages.
 
2013-10-07 03:06:34 PM  

JesusJuice: So stop vaccinating.  fark em.  Enjoy your polio, you worthless bronze-age barbarians.


Speaking of bronze age, pretending not to know what herd immunity is ancient derp.
 
2013-10-07 03:08:00 PM  
It's not like islamists don't use the same sort of tactics, using NGOs as covers for military operations.

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Obama did the right thing by using vaccinations as cover for CIA operations, even if it didn't yield the results they needed.
 
2013-10-07 03:08:01 PM  

IlGreven: Individual CIA operatives may not be able to live with themselves after the way they got him, but the true morals go to the victors: The CIA was right in doing wrong because they're alive and Godzilla's dead.


Likes the cut of your jib:

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The Operative: It's not my place to ask. I believe in something greater than myself. A better world. A world without sin.
Capt. Malcolm Reynolds: So me and mine gotta lay down and die... so you can live in your better world?
The Operative: I'm not going to live there. There's no place for me there... any more than there is for you. Malcolm... I'm a monster. What I do is evil. I have no illusions about it, but it must be done.
 
2013-10-07 03:08:45 PM  

jaytkay: computerguyUT: Ahh the loving religion of peace strikes again!.

Peace to you! Peace all over you!  I Peace on you!!

F-ing Taliban.  Truly the most horrific organization on the planet today.  Considering others like feminists and the democratic party, that says a LOT.

Nope, this one is on your team. The Taliban are conservatives

Did... did you just say that all conservatives, everywhere in the world, are all THAT ignorant, uneducated, backwards and fundamentalist?

You might want to step out of the basement and have more conversations with actual people, instead of words written on a screen, by someone hundreds or thousands of  miles away.. and whatever echo-chamber you use to reinforce your beliefs? Spend some time away from it.

/it's still kind of nice out
//autumn is beautiful
///go get some apple cider and stop being a troll
 
2013-10-07 03:09:25 PM  

WelldeadLink: meat0918: Read that again.  They are purposely exposing their kids, rather than vaccinate them, and one of the articles I read in the past had them actively looking for measles so their kids could get the immunity "naturally".

Offer them fleas with the Black Death. Perfectly natural.


I understand your frustration with the anti-vaxxers and using the "Good" cat meme and all that but the fact is, the only person who ends up suffering is an innocent child that instinctively trusts their parents to do what's best for them.  Until there's a way for the parents to suffer the consequences rather than the child, I can't just sit back and say "Fine, be an idiot give your kid an all natural Pus Pop, we'll sit back and laugh"
 
2013-10-07 03:09:38 PM  
Sometimes I think it's time to give up.
Humanity as a whole WANTS to live in tribal dictatorships.  It's in our DNA.  We should never have discovered agriculture.
 
2013-10-07 03:13:51 PM  

Rev. Skarekroe: Sometimes I think it's time to give up.
Humanity as a whole WANTS to live in tribal dictatorships.  It's in our DNA.  We should never have discovered agriculture.


I don't think ISO meant it literally.
 
2013-10-07 03:13:52 PM  

0z79: jaytkay: computerguyUT: Ahh the loving religion of peace strikes again!.

Peace to you! Peace all over you!  I Peace on you!!

F-ing Taliban.  Truly the most horrific organization on the planet today.  Considering others like feminists and the democratic party, that says a LOT.

Nope, this one is on your team. The Taliban are conservatives
Did... did you just say that all conservatives, everywhere in the world, are all THAT ignorant, uneducated, backwards and fundamentalist?

You might want to step out of the basement and have more conversations with actual people, instead of words written on a screen, by someone hundreds or thousands of  miles away.. and whatever echo-chamber you use to reinforce your beliefs? Spend some time away from it.

/it's still kind of nice out
//autumn is beautiful
///go get some apple cider and stop being a troll


EDIT: I just re-read what you were responding to and saw that I responded to the non-tard, so.. replace "liberals" with "conservatives" in the above post and pretend I was responding to Mr. Anti-Feminist/Democrat. :p
 
2013-10-07 03:15:00 PM  

0z79: jaytkay: computerguyUT: Ahh the loving religion of peace strikes again!.

Peace to you! Peace all over you!  I Peace on you!!

F-ing Taliban.  Truly the most horrific organization on the planet today.  Considering others like feminists and the democratic party, that says a LOT.

Nope, this one is on your team. The Taliban are conservatives
Did... did you just say that all conservatives, everywhere in the world, are all THAT ignorant, uneducated, backwards and fundamentalist?

You might want to step out of the basement and have more conversations with actual people, instead of words written on a screen, by someone hundreds or thousands of  miles away.. and whatever echo-chamber you use to reinforce your beliefs? Spend some time away from it.

/it's still kind of nice out
//autumn is beautiful
///go get some apple cider and stop being a troll


Relevant SMBC:

www.smbc-comics.com

Problem: WE ARE THE ASSHOLES
 
2013-10-07 03:15:07 PM  

Rev. Skarekroe: Sometimes I think it's time to give up.
Humanity as a whole WANTS to live in tribal dictatorships.  It's in our DNA.  We should never have discovered agriculture.


Well, if death and destruction are on the table, one could always "vaccinate" the area with a nuclear warhead.  No more disease vectors; the area would be sterilized.  ...and a few nukes would kill far fewer people in the long-run than giving up on civilization entirely.
 
2013-10-07 03:15:47 PM  
nimby's with bombs
 
2013-10-07 03:16:58 PM  

Rev. Skarekroe: Sometimes I think it's time to give up.
Humanity as a whole WANTS to live in tribal dictatorships.  It's in our DNA.  We should never have discovered agriculture.


You first, loser.
 
2013-10-07 03:19:47 PM  
For some reason, I actually thought the headline was going to be a joke... sadly it isn't.
 
2013-10-07 03:20:06 PM  
For everybody here blaming the CIA:  yeah, the bin Laden doctor incident made it worse, but doctors have been attacked since at least 2007, and Western vaccination protests go back to to at least 2003 (in Nigeria).  This anti-West conspiracy theory is not new and not limited to the Taliban.
 
2013-10-07 03:21:35 PM  

LesserEvil: It's not like islamists don't use the same sort of tactics, using NGOs as covers for military operations.

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Obama did the right thing by using vaccinations as cover for CIA operations, even if it didn't yield the results they needed.


Yeah, because Islamists are who you really want to emulate. Sheesh.
 
2013-10-07 03:23:03 PM  

Ambitwistor: For everybody here blaming the CIA:  yeah, the bin Laden doctor incident made it worse, but doctors have been attacked since at least 2007, and Western vaccination protests go back to to at least 2003 (in Nigeria).  This anti-West conspiracy theory is not new and not limited to the Taliban.


For added fun, look at what anti-science and anti-vaccination did in South Africa during the Mbeki presidency.
 
2013-10-07 03:23:36 PM  

LesserEvil: Obama did the right thing by using vaccinations as cover for CIA operations, even if it didn't yield the results they needed.


Maybe they actually used kittens as cover, but aren't willing to admit that.
 
2013-10-07 03:26:50 PM  

jshine: Rev. Skarekroe: Sometimes I think it's time to give up.
Humanity as a whole WANTS to live in tribal dictatorships.  It's in our DNA.  We should never have discovered agriculture.

Well, if death and destruction are on the table, one could always "vaccinate" the area with a nuclear warhead.  No more disease vectors; the area would be sterilized.  ...and a few nukes would kill far fewer people in the long-run than giving up on civilization entirely.


That's not how nukes work. You can kill a lot of people in densely settled cities, but you just make a few no-go zones in a gigantic tribal region like northern Pakistan. Your "area" of complete sterilization is maybe a mile or two across. South Waziristan alone is 2,500 square miles.
 
2013-10-07 03:28:10 PM  
 I really like Penn and Teller BullS*it. This whole episode is pretty good. The first 2 minutes is a pretty good description! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLcOz4EKrxg
 
2013-10-07 03:31:23 PM  

Rev. Skarekroe: Sometimes I think it's time to give up.
Humanity as a whole WANTS to live in tribal dictatorships.  It's in our DNA.  We should never have discovered agriculture.


Leaving the trees was a mistake, in fact we probably never should have left the oceans.
 
2013-10-07 03:32:24 PM  

LesserEvil: Obama did the right thing by using vaccinations as cover for CIA operations, even if it didn't yield the results they needed.


You might feel differently if you were a real doctor in Pakistan, getting your head cut off by the Taliban for being a "western spy."
 
2013-10-07 03:32:50 PM  

super_grass: Problem: WE ARE THE ASSHOLES



Every human being who has ever lived has been an asshole at one time or another.
No exceptions.
 
2013-10-07 03:35:39 PM  

Aviron: I really like Penn and Teller BullS*it. This whole episode is pretty good. The first 2 minutes is a pretty good description! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLcOz4EKrxg


I love Penn & Teller's Bulls*it! One of my favourite episodes is the one about organic produce. Another favourite is the one about psychics. Oh, and the one about lawns and the one about bottled water ... I could go on, but you should check them out yourself.
 
2013-10-07 03:35:41 PM  

simplicimus: drxym: The Taliban - proudly promoting ignorance and backwardness since 1996.

The Taliban. Yet another CIA operation with unintended consequences.


Actually the CIA didn't create the Taliban. The Taliban formed in the mid 90s, way after the CIA left. In fact, the US abandoning Afghanistan after the Soviet withdrawal was a big part as to why they formed.
 
2013-10-07 03:36:20 PM  

Aviron: I really like Penn and Teller BullS*it. This whole episode is pretty good. The first 2 minutes is a pretty good description! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLcOz4EKrxg


These parents are inoculated against reason.

I have an anti-vax coworker that during a meeting went from talking about a Windows 7 driver we are still waiting on (vendors suck sometimes) to how Bill Gates was blackmailed by "Them" (the Jews of course) back during the Internet Explorer/Microsoft anti-trust lawsuit, and was forced to form his foundation that is now in the process of sterilizing Africa through vaccination and oh by the way, AIDS came from a botched batch of polio vaccination.

It was the end of the meeting, and as my other coworkers just stared at this guy with their best "WTF?!?!" looks, I just had to leave.  I've learned not to engage him on this subject, and I needed to get a lot of work done, and didn't have 20 minutes to waste arguing with him when I know he won't change his mind, despite him saying "He has an open mind and is willing to change it".

//End not so CSB
//Although... I should ask him if his kids got their shots when I do have some time to waste and the subject comes up.  I know he is vaccinated.
 
2013-10-07 03:39:12 PM  

There's Always A Bloody Ghost: Aviron: I really like Penn and Teller BullS*it. This whole episode is pretty good. The first 2 minutes is a pretty good description! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLcOz4EKrxg

I love Penn & Teller's Bulls*it! One of my favourite episodes is the one about organic produce. Another favourite is the one about psychics. Oh, and the one about lawns and the one about bottled water ... I could go on, but you should check them out yourself.


The organic food one was painful, just absolutely painful to watch.  I mean, I know we "taste with our eyes", meaning we get a preconception about what something will taste like well before it is in our mouths, but damn.

And we're all susceptible to it too.
 
2013-10-07 03:39:26 PM  

meat0918: It was the end of the meeting, and as my other coworkers just stared at this guy with their best "WTF?!?!" looks, I just had to leave.  I've learned not to engage him on this subject, and I needed to get a lot of work done, and didn't have 20 minutes to waste arguing with him when I know he won't change his mind, despite him saying "He has an open mind and is willing to change it".


You can't reason with people who when faced with overwhelming evidence to the contrary counter with "it's a conspiracy", and then huff off when you ask them for proof of that.
 
2013-10-07 03:41:20 PM  

machoprogrammer: simplicimus: drxym: The Taliban - proudly promoting ignorance and backwardness since 1996.

The Taliban. Yet another CIA operation with unintended consequences.

Actually the CIA didn't create the Taliban. The Taliban formed in the mid 90s, way after the CIA left. In fact, the US abandoning Afghanistan after the Soviet withdrawal was a big part as to why they formed.


I blame Nixon. As a Cold War strategy in the '40s, we created American Schools all over the world. Lots of kids in Afghanistan and Pakistan were educated in them. Nixon cut their fairly paltry budget, because "gubmint waste," and the Saudis used their new post-OPEC oil money to fill the vacuum with Wahhabi madrassas. Thanks, Dick!
 
2013-10-07 03:42:44 PM  
I can understand this kind of thinking in a stone age hell hole but we have these idiots here in the USA.

While I am all for most kinds of tolerance, that kind of stupidity is definitely an exception. Unless you want to go off and live by yourself somewhere far away from people, the law should be to get yourself and your kids vaccinated.

Same kind of stupid as global warming deniers.
 
2013-10-07 03:43:43 PM  
Meh. Let them get polio. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.
 
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