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(Some Guy)   While it's easy to mock the Right for the 'slimdown' terminology, apparently about 86% of the budget is being spent during the shutdown anyway   (netrightdaily.com) divider line 195
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2013-10-07 12:33:10 PM
I'm so confused by the conservative argument here. Is the shutdown bad or not? The whole point of the shutdown was that it was so bad it would be leverage to force the Dems to fold. But apparently its not so bad? So why would the Dems fold?
 
2013-10-07 12:35:55 PM
I read a few of the "popular post" headlines on that site's sidebar and now I understand that the Republicans do in fact have the votes to defund Obamacare, if only they stand firm.
 
2013-10-07 12:36:27 PM
Calling it a shutdown is from our doom and gloom outlook on life

Puffery aint nothing new

Still does not negate the fact that the government is only spending 86% of its budget, meaning less money pumped into the economy. It also doesn't negate the fact that we are also days away from default.
 
2013-10-07 12:48:40 PM
Oh, the URL of TFA: http://netrightdaily.com/2013/10/trillions-automatic-government-spendi ng-dispite-shutdown/

I know goodur speeling make me beleev TFA...
 
2013-10-07 12:50:16 PM

Pocket Ninja: I read a few of the "popular post" headlines on that site's sidebar and now I understand that the Republicans do in fact have the votes to defund Obamacare, if only they stand firm.


If the Tea Party is formally recognized as a political party that it completely separate from and unrelated to the GOP, which of course it is and always has been, then, constitutionally, every state would then have three (3) senators instead of the two (2) that they currently have. If every state holds a special election to fill those seats, then between the Tea Party and GOP victories, the pro-B0Bcare liberal left will be reduced to a minority in the Senate. Once that happens, Majority Leader Ted Cruz will repeal the filibuster so that a tiny minority of Democrats can't hijack the will of the people. Owning both the House and Senate, a repeal of B0Bcare will pass without difficulty. Oh and this is after Obama and Biden have been impeached and convicted for their role in Benghazi, so Boehner will be in the White House to sign the bill. I mean, it's almost too easy.
 
2013-10-07 12:50:27 PM

cman: Calling it a shutdown is from our doom and gloom outlook on life

Puffery aint nothing new

Still does not negate the fact that the government is only spending 86% of its budget, meaning less money pumped into the economy. It also doesn't negate the fact that we are also days away from default.


And furthermore, they've voted to still pay everyone who is furloughed. Which is nice in that the vast majority of those who aren't being allowed to work didn't cause this shutstorm (to steal from TDS), but also means that the government isn't getting the benefit of the work that those employees would be doing, they're just getting an extended vacation (where they have to watch what they spend for the duration of it). And that private businesses that are tied to the government are also getting pinched because they can't operate normally- and those businesses and their employees will almost certainly NOT get any relief from the government.
 
2013-10-07 12:53:36 PM
GOP before the shutdown/slimdown: The Federal Government is too intrusive to the day-to-day life of citizens!!1!
GOP after the shutdown/slimdown: See! There are no effects! The Federal Government doesn't affect you at all!

Were they lying then or are they lying now?
 
2013-10-07 12:57:13 PM
and 100% of the taxes are being collected.
 
2013-10-07 12:57:35 PM

kronicfeld: Pocket Ninja: I read a few of the "popular post" headlines on that site's sidebar and now I understand that the Republicans do in fact have the votes to defund Obamacare, if only they stand firm.

If the Tea Party is formally recognized as a political party that it completely separate from and unrelated to the GOP, which of course it is and always has been, then, constitutionally, every state would then have three (3) senators instead of the two (2) that they currently have. If every state holds a special election to fill those seats, then between the Tea Party and GOP victories, the pro-B0Bcare liberal left will be reduced to a minority in the Senate. Once that happens, Majority Leader Ted Cruz will repeal the filibuster so that a tiny minority of Democrats can't hijack the will of the people. Owning both the House and Senate, a repeal of B0Bcare will pass without difficulty. Oh and this is after Obama and Biden have been impeached and convicted for their role in Benghazi, so Boehner will be in the White House to sign the bill. I mean, it's almost too easy.


What about Nixon, you dolt!
 
2013-10-07 01:01:59 PM

kronicfeld: then, constitutionally, every state would then have three (3) senators instead of the two (2) that they currently have.


Nobody actually believes this, right?

DamnYankees: I'm so confused by the conservative argument here. Is the shutdown bad or not? The whole point of the shutdown was that it was so bad it would be leverage to force the Dems to fold. But apparently its not so bad? So why would the Dems fold?


It's always been the Republican's position that they, because of the intransigent Democrats, have gotten exactly what they wanted, and that this minor, catastrophic, shutdown, is making them happy, and outraged, that the people can see that the government is unimportant, and that the Democrats want to punish the people through closing down all the crucial services the government provides.

Did that help?
 
2013-10-07 01:05:15 PM

Pocket Ninja: I read a few of the "popular post" headlines on that site's sidebar and now I understand that the Republicans do in fact have the votes to defund Obamacare, if only they stand firm.


If you have time and read further elsewhere on the internet, you'll note that the reason they lost the last election was the Democrats mastery of technology like the interweb and twitter so they're really gonna focus there this time around. Oh, and move right a bit more because apparently their centrist stance has alienated some part of the electorate so they didn't vote.
 
2013-10-07 01:12:18 PM

Local Man: Were they lying then or are they lying now?


Yes
 
2013-10-07 01:13:00 PM
Local Man:

Were they lying then or are they lying now?

Yes.
 
2013-10-07 01:22:00 PM

DamnYankees: I'm so confused by the conservative argument here. Is the shutdown bad or not? The whole point of the shutdown was that it was so bad it would be leverage to force the Dems to fold. But apparently its not so bad? So why would the Dems fold?


They're promoting both ideas. That way, whichever one is right, they can claim that's what they believed all along.
 
2013-10-07 01:28:50 PM

nmrsnr: kronicfeld: then, constitutionally, every state would then have three (3) senators instead of the two (2) that they currently have.

Nobody actually believes this, right?

DamnYankees: I'm so confused by the conservative argument here. Is the shutdown bad or not? The whole point of the shutdown was that it was so bad it would be leverage to force the Dems to fold. But apparently its not so bad? So why would the Dems fold?

It's always been the Republican's position that they, because of the intransigent Democrats, have gotten exactly what they wanted, and that this minor, catastrophic, shutdown, is making them happy, and outraged, that the people can see that the government is unimportant, and that the Democrats want to punish the people through closing down all the crucial services the government provides.

Did that help?


What? You're telling me that the number of Senators each state gets isn't a function of the number of political parties?
 
2013-10-07 01:29:32 PM
Funny part is that the ACA is funded.
 
2013-10-07 01:30:21 PM

nmrsnr: It's always been the Republican's position that they, because of the intransigent Democrats, have gotten exactly what they wanted, and that this minor, catastrophic, shutdown, is making them happy, and outraged, that the people can see that the government is unimportant, and that the Democrats want to punish the people through closing down all the crucial services the government provides.

Did that help?


I don't have enough breadcrumbs to get home.
 
2013-10-07 01:48:56 PM
New rule: you can't mock someone for calling a 14% reduction a "slimdown" while calling it a shutdown at the same time.
 
2013-10-07 01:49:35 PM

DamnYankees: I'm so confused by the conservative argument here. Is the shutdown bad or not? The whole point of the shutdown was that it was so bad it would be leverage to force the Dems to fold. But apparently its not so bad? So why would the Dems fold?


The shutdown was the goal implemented by Republicans in order to manage the deficit.

Now - before your start objecting to this - remember that the truth doesn't matter in an ad.
 
2013-10-07 01:50:44 PM

Local Man: GOP before the shutdown/slimdown: The Federal Government is too intrusive to the day-to-day life of citizens!!1!
GOP after the shutdown/slimdown: See! There are no effects! The Federal Government doesn't affect you at all!

Were they lying then or are they lying now?


its hard to have a cohesive message when your agenda is pretty much hypocritical to begin with...
 
2013-10-07 01:51:00 PM

kronicfeld: Pocket Ninja: I read a few of the "popular post" headlines on that site's sidebar and now I understand that the Republicans do in fact have the votes to defund Obamacare, if only they stand firm.

If the Tea Party is formally recognized as a political party that it completely separate from and unrelated to the GOP, which of course it is and always has been, then, constitutionally, every state would then have three (3) senators instead of the two (2) that they currently have. If every state holds a special election to fill those seats, then between the Tea Party and GOP victories, the pro-B0Bcare liberal left will be reduced to a minority in the Senate. Once that happens, Majority Leader Ted Cruz will repeal the filibuster so that a tiny minority of Democrats can't hijack the will of the people. Owning both the House and Senate, a repeal of B0Bcare will pass without difficulty. Oh and this is after Obama and Biden have been impeached and convicted for their role in Benghazi, so Boehner will be in the White House to sign the bill. I mean, it's almost too easy.

 
Okay, I'd vote for that constitutional amendment, if and only if we raised the number of House Representatives to one representative per 1 million people.
 
2013-10-07 01:52:10 PM
The part of the story nobody's talking about: 86% of our budget is law enforcement, defense, social security and Medicare.
 
2013-10-07 01:54:13 PM

DamnYankees: I'm so confused by the conservative argument here. Is the shutdown bad or not? The whole point of the shutdown was that it was so bad it would be leverage to force the Dems to fold. But apparently its not so bad? So why would the Dems fold?


Allow me to clarify: It's really really bad unless the GOP gets the blame. then it's no biggie.
 
2013-10-07 01:54:23 PM
85% of the budget money

That's nice, but I wish they'd take down the "Police Line - Do Not Cross" tape down from the trails near here.
 
2013-10-07 01:55:41 PM

DamnYankees: I'm so confused by the conservative argument here. Is the shutdown bad or not? The whole point of the shutdown was that it was so bad it would be leverage to force the Dems to fold. But apparently its not so bad? So why would the Dems fold?


Because tourist attractions, road cones, and such as.
 
2013-10-07 01:58:01 PM

super_grass: New rule: you can't mock someone for calling a 14% reduction a "slimdown" while calling it a shutdown at the same time.


Your delusions of relevance are just adorable. Bless your heart.
 
2013-10-07 01:59:25 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: and 100% of the taxes are being collected.


Move to libya. you asshat.
 
2013-10-07 01:59:31 PM
It's like the Executive Branch has taken over the government and is giving the finger to the congress.. and the tax payer.
 
2013-10-07 01:59:37 PM

ib_thinkin: The part of the story nobody's talking about: 86% of our budget is law enforcement, defense, social security and Medicare.


Nobody understands the Federal budget, that's not new.

To a first approximation, the Federal government is an insurance company with an army. The rest doesn't add up to much money (relatively speaking).
 
2013-10-07 02:00:56 PM

dwrash: It's like the Executive Branch has taken over the government and is giving the finger to the congress.. and the tax payer.


Wat?
 
2013-10-07 02:01:08 PM
So that means 86% is very essential - and that means we spend too much?

Hell the GOP is crying that things that aren't in that 86% are not considered very essential.
 
2013-10-07 02:01:38 PM
Not paying your debts is not a conservative idea. Its a radical idea.
 
2013-10-07 02:01:49 PM

dwrash: It's like the Executive Branch has taken over the government and is giving the finger to the congress.. and the tax payer.


No it's nothing like that.
 
2013-10-07 02:01:56 PM
Robert Romano is the senior editor of Americans for Limited Government.

This is my shocked face.
 
2013-10-07 02:02:26 PM

Local Man: GOP before the shutdown/slimdown: The Federal Government is too intrusive to the day-to-day life of citizens!!1!
GOP after the shutdown/slimdown: See! There are no effects! The Federal Government doesn't affect you at all!

Were they lying then or are they lying now?


were their lips moving
thats the tip off
 
2013-10-07 02:02:29 PM
GOP: We waste too much money on non-essential things!

[shutdown]

GOP: OMG TOURS OF MONUMENTS ARE GOING TO BE CLOSED THIS CAN NOT STAND!


*face palm*
 
2013-10-07 02:03:03 PM

SpectroBoy: DamnYankees: I'm so confused by the conservative argument here. Is the shutdown bad or not? The whole point of the shutdown was that it was so bad it would be leverage to force the Dems to fold. But apparently its not so bad? So why would the Dems fold?

Allow me to clarify: It's really really bad unless the GOP gets the blame. then it's no biggie.


Shrodinger's Shutdown is both awful and not a big deal until you open the ballot box to see the fallout.
 
2013-10-07 02:03:31 PM
Like most of the memes to come out of Bullshiat Mountain, there's a tiny kernel of truth somewhere inside.

In this case, that truth is that you can't stop most of the things the Federal government does, even temporarily, without serious repercussions. Exempt all those things from the shutdown (as we pretty much have to - who wants e.g. Federal prisons to let everyone go?), and it turns out you're not saving much money.
 
2013-10-07 02:04:18 PM

ib_thinkin: The part of the story nobody's talking about: 86% of our budget is law enforcement, defense, social security and Medicare.


Yep. $2.5 trillion dollars spent every year, but only $0.6 trillion of that is non-defense discretionary spending (and even that contains stuff like Homeland Security and Veterans Affairs.)
 
2013-10-07 02:04:35 PM
And guess what GOP, since all members of the GOP has said we will back pay federal workers this shut down is going to cost MORE money to the US then if it didn't happen.
 
2013-10-07 02:04:38 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: and 100% of the taxes are being collected.


and we were operating at a deficit then add in the shut-down will have costs that will have to be made up after the govt gets past the ACA argument so really there is no money being saved by the shutdown is kind of the point here. Some conservative groups have been trying to portray the shutdown as a good thing or at least a low impact item.
 
2013-10-07 02:06:41 PM

Gaseous Anomaly: (as we pretty much have to - who wants e.g. Federal prisons to let everyone go?)


Ohhh, man. Obama should drop that one now - "We hit the debt ceiling, I'll be unfortunately obligated to release all federal prisoners into the general population as a cost saving measure."
 
2013-10-07 02:07:39 PM

Fart_Machine: dwrash: It's like the Executive Branch has taken over the government and is giving the finger to the congress.. and the tax payer.

Wat?


Obama's a tyrant!!! The liberal media is in cahoots to blame the GOP!!! Democrats are the one's not willing to negotiate!!! Republicans didn't want the shut down and ate doing the will of the people!!!!

Take your pick from any of these ridiculous, disingenuous talking points out friend here has been vomiting out for the last week or so...
 
2013-10-07 02:08:05 PM

cman: Still does not negate the fact that the government is only spending 86% of its budget, meaning less money pumped into the economy.


Most of the stuff deemed "essential" is more wasteful than the 14% that gets cut. I'm looking at our military spending in the name of "Team American: World Police". I'm looking at discretionary funds used to tell schools what to teach.
 
2013-10-07 02:08:50 PM
It's like the people who complain about Government fiscal policy have no understanding of basic Government fiscal policy. And I mean everyone from the worst conservative blogger up to the top management of the Republican party.
 
2013-10-07 02:08:54 PM

ib_thinkin: The part of the story nobody's talking about: 86% of our budget is law enforcement, defense, social security and Medicare.


Yes, well... wait until next week when the Federal courts, which have already pretty much suspended all civil cases, run out of money. It was estimated that they had funds for 10 business days of operation. Once that is depleted, law enforcement will be pointless because there will be no judge to sign a warrant and no grand jury to vote for an indictment.

Things will get interesting very fast.
 
2013-10-07 02:09:31 PM
"86% of the budget is still being spent"

Even after we've laid off nearly 1 million people  Should tell you something about the truthfulness of "big government" bureaucrats.
 
2013-10-07 02:09:47 PM

Corvus: And guess what GOP, since all members of the GOP has said we will back pay federal workers this shut down is going to cost MORE money to the US then if it didn't happen.


Even without that, there's real waste - agencies have to waste time prepping for the shutdown, wrapping up things for the shutdown, dealing with all the piled-up work after the shutdown, etc. when instead they could be doing whatever it is they're supposed to do.
 
2013-10-07 02:10:35 PM

dwrash: It's like the Executive Branch has taken over the government and is giving the finger to the congress.. and the tax payer.


Exactly.

And by 'exactly' I mean 'not even remotely close'.
 
2013-10-07 02:10:36 PM
his detailed math is faultless
 
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