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2013-10-07 12:13:32 PM
Wow, Flyers with a quick trigger.  WTF?!  He must've lost the locker room.
 
2013-10-07 12:13:41 PM
Chip Kelly is now the dean of Philly major pro sports coaches.
 
2013-10-07 12:20:48 PM
I watched all 3 of their regular season games and I have to say that I've never seen such uninspired play from a professional team before. 3 goals in 3 games is just pathetic.
 
2013-10-07 12:22:58 PM
It's the GM (and owner) who should be shown the door.

The team is in such a bad place right now with an aged, untalented blue line, and over valued, over paid front line.
 
2013-10-07 12:24:06 PM
Berube needs to start kicking ass today. Strip Giroux of the C and send Couturier to Adirondack. That could be the shot across the bow that wakes these guys up.
 
2013-10-07 12:28:42 PM

blast yer scuppers: I watched all 3 of their regular season games and I have to say that I've never seen such uninspired play from a professional team before. 3 goals in 3 games is just pathetic.


Clearly you haven't watched the Sabres play this season with their 2 goals in 3 games.

The Flyers need to clean house from top to bottom if they ever want to see another Stanley Cup, but since Snider isn't going to fire himself, then I guess they'll have to hope to blunder into a championship.  On the other hand, Philly now has a clean sweep for head coaches of professional sports this year, 4 for 4.
 
2013-10-07 12:29:20 PM

MugzyBrown: It's the GM (and owner) who should be shown the door.

The team is in such a bad place right now with an aged, untalented blue line, and over valued, over paid front line.


Holmgren has got to goooooooo! Snider is 80 so hopefully the grim reaper will post at his next dinner party with salmon mousse.
 
2013-10-07 12:34:17 PM

blast yer scuppers: Berube needs to start kicking ass today. Strip Giroux of the C and send Couturier to Adirondack. That could be the shot across the bow that wakes these guys up.


Is Berube going to 'kick ass' to cause untalented players to find talent?

A shining example of the Ed Snider mentality on display was watching SImmonds take the penalty shot the other day.  He could have had a tree branch in his hands and achieved the same result.

I'm so tired of players who work realllly hard.. so tough.. but have the worst hands.
 
2013-10-07 12:34:25 PM

bborchar: blast yer scuppers: I watched all 3 of their regular season games and I have to say that I've never seen such uninspired play from a professional team before. 3 goals in 3 games is just pathetic.

Clearly you haven't watched the Sabres play this season with their 2 goals in 3 games.

The Flyers need to clean house from top to bottom if they ever want to see another Stanley Cup, but since Snider isn't going to fire himself, then I guess they'll have to hope to blunder into a championship.  On the other hand, Philly now has a clean sweep for head coaches of professional sports this year, 4 for 4.


Wow, I complained about not having shoes until I met a man with no feet.
 
2013-10-07 12:45:38 PM

MugzyBrown: blast yer scuppers: Berube needs to start kicking ass today. Strip Giroux of the C and send Couturier to Adirondack. That could be the shot across the bow that wakes these guys up.

Is Berube going to 'kick ass' to cause untalented players to find talent?

A shining example of the Ed Snider mentality on display was watching SImmonds take the penalty shot the other day.  He could have had a tree branch in his hands and achieved the same result.

I'm so tired of players who work realllly hard.. so tough.. but have the worst hands.


I agree that the Simmonds penalty shot was impotent at best bit that's not really his forte. I wouldn't trade him for anyone else in the NHL when it comes to working in front of the net and making opportunities for his team mates.

Philly's defense is atrocious bit if they can score 3 goals a game they would be competitive.  Giroux, Lacavalier and Talbot are capable of putting up big numbers but haven't done it since before the lockout.
 
2013-10-07 12:49:36 PM

blast yer scuppers: Talbot


huh?

He's a 4th line center.

blast yer scuppers: Lacavalier


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blast yer scuppers: working in front of the net


Ohhh wow, he works so hard.  Too bad he has hands of stone.  If he was and was paid as a 3rd line player, I'd be ok with him, but he's getting $4m for the next 5 seasons.

We also have Hartnell for almost $5mm for the same amount of time.  I just can't get enough of these high priced, high energy, low talent guys.
 
2013-10-07 12:51:32 PM

MugzyBrown: It's the GM (and owner) who should be shown the door.


If I'm Laviolette, I'm thrilled to be "relieved of my duties" trying to coach that team and work under a management that seems absolutely dead-set on bumping themselves up against the cap every year. "Hey, we were able to shed some cap relief by buying out Briere and Bryzgalov. Let's sign two OLDER players to multi-year deals now!"
 
2013-10-07 12:52:16 PM
just ugg.

nothing more to say
 
2013-10-07 12:52:25 PM

Killer Cars: Hey, we were able to shed some cap relief


okay, that sentence didn't make much sense, but I think you know what I mean.
 
2013-10-07 12:56:45 PM

Killer Cars: If I'm Laviolette, I'm thrilled to be "relieved of my duties" trying to coach that team and work under a management that seems absolutely dead-set on bumping themselves up against the cap every year. "Hey, we were able to shed some cap relief by buying out Briere and Bryzgalov. Let's sign two OLDER players to multi-year deals now!"


The new CBA was a godsend to the Flyers, but you're right they totally wasted it.

They should have ditched Bryz and Hartnell and just sat on the money.  Lecavalier and Streit are wastes of money for a team in the Flyers position, but management fooled themselves into thinking Bryz was the problem of the team.

Briere only had 1 year left on his deal I believe, cutting him was a waste of the buy out.
 
2013-10-07 12:56:59 PM
I don't really follow hockey but are Ed Snider and Dan Snyder actually the same guy?
 
2013-10-07 12:58:33 PM

you have pee hands: I don't really follow hockey but are Ed Snider and Dan Snyder actually the same guy?


Yes and no.  Ed Snider thinks it's 1970 and you can build a team of hard workers who will scrap their way to the Stanley Cup; oh and Russians and Eastern Europeans are EVIL!
 
2013-10-07 01:01:51 PM
Lavy is pretty notorious for eventually losing the room.  He was fired 180 games or so after winning the Cup with the Hurricanes, and lasted about 120 after going to the finals with the Flyers.  He is a coach that gives the players really high motivational highs, but also really low when things aren't going well.

That said....he definitely isn't the problem with that roster.
 
2013-10-07 01:02:23 PM

MugzyBrown: you have pee hands: I don't really follow hockey but are Ed Snider and Dan Snyder actually the same guy?

Yes and no.  Ed Snider thinks it's 1970 and you can build a team of hard workers who will scrap their way to the Stanley Cup; oh and Russians and Eastern Europeans are EVIL!


They are similar in that they will both make ridiculous trades and then sign unproven players to insanely expensive contracts that turn bad after one year.
 
2013-10-07 01:04:07 PM

PowerSlacker: Chip Kelly is now the dean of Philly major pro sports coaches.


Holy crap, that's right. Charlie Manual got fired this year too. And the Eagles have a tenuous hold on first in NFC East with a losing record.

This is the Philly sports feeling I remember growing up with. 2004 through 2009 was a fluke.
 
2013-10-07 01:16:53 PM

bborchar: blast yer scuppers: I watched all 3 of their regular season games and I have to say that I've never seen such uninspired play from a professional team before. 3 goals in 3 games is just pathetic.

Clearly you haven't watched the Sabres play this season with their 2 goals in 3 games.


Yep.

Sabres:

-0-3-0
-2 goals scored in 3 games.
-0-for-13 on the PP (including three failed 5-on-3 advantages)
-45.1% Face-offs won
-Have not held a lead in 180 minutes of play.

We clearly have the inside track for that #1 overall pick in 2014.
 
2013-10-07 01:28:52 PM

MugzyBrown: Yes and no. Ed Snider thinks it's 1970 and you can build a team of hard workers who will scrap and fight their way to the Stanley Cup; oh and Russians and Eastern Europeans are EVIL!


Fixed for extra truthiness. Snider (and the rest of the organization) has never been able to get past the Broad Street Bullies, hence why they always say "We need to add quickness and skill" and then go out and get players who are big and slow, but good at racking up penalty minutes.
 
2013-10-07 01:49:44 PM

Joe_diGriz: MugzyBrown: Yes and no. Ed Snider thinks it's 1970 and you can build a team of hard workers who will scrap and fight their way to the Stanley Cup; oh and Russians and Eastern Europeans are EVIL!

Fixed for extra truthiness. Snider (and the rest of the organization) has never been able to get past the Broad Street Bullies, hence why they always say "We need to add quickness and skill" and then go out and get players who are big and slow, but good at racking up penalty minutes.


I know, it's like the year after the '05 lockout when they signed Hatcher and Rathje.
 
2013-10-07 01:55:47 PM

Flappyhead: I know, it's like the year after the '05 lockout when they signed Hatcher and Rathje


I have an image burned into my mind of a play that playoff year (maybe year after) where there was an icing touch up race, and Hatcher had a good 20 foot head start on the offensive player and got beat to the puck.

Hatcher looked like he was skating in sand.
 
2013-10-07 02:05:42 PM

Joe_diGriz: MugzyBrown: Yes and no. Ed Snider thinks it's 1970 and you can build a team of hard workers who will scrap and fight their way to the Stanley Cup; oh and Russians and Eastern Europeans are EVIL!

Fixed for extra truthiness. Snider (and the rest of the organization) has never been able to get past the Broad Street Bullies, hence why they always say "We need to add quickness and skill" and then go out and get players who are big and slow, but good at racking up penalty minutes.


Well it's a good thing the guy they're replacing him with doesn't have that kind of mentality.
 
2013-10-07 02:17:44 PM

Doc Daneeka: bborchar: blast yer scuppers: I watched all 3 of their regular season games and I have to say that I've never seen such uninspired play from a professional team before. 3 goals in 3 games is just pathetic.

Clearly you haven't watched the Sabres play this season with their 2 goals in 3 games.

Yep.

Sabres:

-0-3-0
-2 goals scored in 3 games.
-0-for-13 on the PP (including three failed 5-on-3 advantages)
-45.1% Face-offs won
-Have not held a lead in 180 minutes of play.

We clearly have the inside track for that #1 overall pick in 2014.


I'm a Pittsburgh fan, but I was feeling bad for Sabres' fans the other day.  It was hard to watch.
 
2013-10-07 02:29:59 PM

PowerSlacker: Chip Kelly is now the dean of Philly major pro sports coaches.


That is hysterical.
 
2013-10-07 03:06:55 PM
Well, they may have hired the right guy as interim coach then. My favorite Berube moment was goal he scored against the Sabres when he was with the Caps. Bondra banked a shot off of his helmet. Not like it was going to hit anything vital.
 
2013-10-07 03:17:35 PM
Not saying Laviolette is the second coming of Scotty Bowman, but.....

1.  The Flyers have, without question, the worst group of defensemen in the NHL, and it's not even close.

2.  Their 3 best forwards are Giroux, Hartnell, and Lecavalier.  Seriously.  The rest of their roster are marginal 3rd-4th liners or young players who are way out of their element.

This is a terribly constructed hockey team, and that is not Laviolette's fault.  Time to fire the GM methinks.
 
2013-10-07 03:22:42 PM
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Phix Phorthcoming.
 
2013-10-07 03:23:44 PM

RumsfeldsReplacement: This is a terribly constructed hockey team, and that is not Laviolette's fault. Time to fire the GM methinks.


Unfortunately, firing the GM for the Flyers won't matter, because Ed Snider is still the majority owner. I declared after the end of last year that the Flyers won't win another cup as long as he is still in charge, and I stick by that. Having said that, yes, Homer needs to go.

For that matter, all of the GMs in Philly probably need to go. Well, except for the guy running the Sixers, since he just got the job, and at least the direction there is obvious. (ie. "Tank, baby, tank!")
 
2013-10-07 03:26:10 PM

RumsfeldsReplacement: Not saying Laviolette is the second coming of Scotty Bowman, but.....

1.  The Flyers have, without question, the worst group of defensemen in the NHL, and it's not even close.

2.  Their 3 best forwards are Giroux, Hartnell, and Lecavalier.  Seriously.  The rest of their roster are marginal 3rd-4th liners or young players who are way out of their element.


3.  Goaltending.  When Steve Mason is considered "stabalizing" you're in trouble.
 
2013-10-07 03:36:18 PM

Joe_diGriz: RumsfeldsReplacement: This is a terribly constructed hockey team, and that is not Laviolette's fault. Time to fire the GM methinks.

Unfortunately, firing the GM for the Flyers won't matter, because Ed Snider is still the majority owner. I declared after the end of last year that the Flyers won't win another cup as long as he is still in charge, and I stick by that. Having said that, yes, Homer needs to go.

For that matter, all of the GMs in Philly probably need to go. Well, except for the guy running the Sixers, since he just got the job, and at least the direction there is obvious. (ie. "Tank, baby, tank!")


Exactly.  And that's why Snider's defiant attitude at today's press conference was so insulting.


As for the other GMs, you're probably right.  I'm fine giving Roseman a little more time.   Amaro actually had a good plan in the beginning and let it all ride on dominant starting pitching.  But they came up short and it's hard to ignore his wild misses.  But yeah, none of them instill very much confidence.
 
2013-10-07 03:40:23 PM

RumsfeldsReplacement: Not saying Laviolette is the second coming of Scotty Bowman, but.....

1.  The Flyers have, without question, the worst group of defensemen in the NHL, and it's not even close.


The Sabres would like to have a word with you about this....
 
2013-10-07 03:43:43 PM

jack_o_the_hills: RumsfeldsReplacement: Not saying Laviolette is the second coming of Scotty Bowman, but.....

1.  The Flyers have, without question, the worst group of defensemen in the NHL, and it's not even close.

The Sabres would like to have a word with you about this....


It's a toss up, but I think comapring Schenn and Myers mid and end season should be the tiebreaker.
 
2013-10-07 03:47:43 PM

RumsfeldsReplacement: 1.  The Flyers have, without question, the worst group of defensemen in the NHL, and it's not even close.



I like Kimo and Streit, but those guys have to be used in the right role. Both of them move the puck well, but are undersized and can't play 30+ minutes a night.
 
2013-10-07 03:55:51 PM
They fired Master Splinter?
 
2013-10-07 04:09:48 PM
Somewhere in Vegas, Bryz is laughing while doing lines of coke off a stripper's ass.
 
2013-10-07 04:26:08 PM

RumsfeldsReplacement: 1. The Flyers have, without question, the worst group of defensemen in the NHL, and it's not even close.


This is why Philly is a black hole of suck for goalies. Bobrovsky, Bryzgalov, etc... are not bad goalies but they have no help in front of them. It proves my theory that the goalie doesn't matter much anymore. It's all about the system in front of him.
 
2013-10-07 04:36:42 PM
Meanwhile, the Flames were supposed to be horrible and despite blowing three 3-goal leads so far this season, we still have points in all our games played.

We can't even fail properly.
 
2013-10-07 04:44:24 PM

Rev.K: Meanwhile, the Flames were supposed to be horrible and despite blowing three 3-goal leads so far this season, we still have points in all our games played.

We can't even fail properly.


And the Leafs haven't even dropped a game yet.  No comprendo.
 
2013-10-07 04:51:35 PM

WhiskeySticks: Somewhere in Vegas, Bryz is laughing while doing lines of coke off a stripper's ass.


"My pupils are so humongous big!"
 
2013-10-07 04:55:48 PM

Rev.K: Meanwhile, the Flames were supposed to be horrible and despite blowing three 3-goal leads so far this season, we still have points in all our games played.
We can't even fail properly.


I want to think that "Hey, the Canucks can beat the Flames while only playing 20 minutes of hockey and that means they're still a good team!" but I just don't know. This season has so much uncertainty. I'm just waiting for the first presser in which Tortz tells the Vancouver media to go fark themselves.
 
2013-10-07 04:56:26 PM

Ishkur: RumsfeldsReplacement: 1. The Flyers have, without question, the worst group of defensemen in the NHL, and it's not even close.

This is why Philly is a black hole of suck for goalies. Bobrovsky, Bryzgalov, etc... are not bad goalies but they have no help in front of them. It proves my theory that the goalie doesn't matter much anymore. It's all about the system in front of him.


No, Bryzgalov is a bad goalie. Mentally, he's as fragile as a Ming vase and he needs a strong defense in front of him who are willing to sell out and block shots to help him out.
 
2013-10-07 05:05:04 PM

Joe_diGriz: RumsfeldsReplacement: This is a terribly constructed hockey team, and that is not Laviolette's fault. Time to fire the GM methinks.

Unfortunately, firing the GM for the Flyers won't matter, because Ed Snider is still the majority owner. I declared after the end of last year that the Flyers won't win another cup as long as he is still in charge, and I stick by that. Having said that, yes, Homer needs to go.

For that matter, all of the GMs in Philly probably need to go. Well, except for the guy running the Sixers, since he just got the job, and at least the direction there is obvious. (ie. "Tank, baby, tank!")


NBA is going to be fun this year with so many teams tanking in hopes of grabbing Wiggins.

back to the topic...
"Holmgren liked his transactions. He just didn't like how Laviolette was putting the pieces together." from the TSN article... And how different can Berube put those pieces, Holmie?
I get the feeling he's safe for the year, but if these guys are still as out of it as they look to be early, by the olympics, Snider may have to pull the trigger.
 
2013-10-07 05:18:09 PM

Ishkur: Rev.K: Meanwhile, the Flames were supposed to be horrible and despite blowing three 3-goal leads so far this season, we still have points in all our games played.
We can't even fail properly.

I want to think that "Hey, the Canucks can beat the Flames while only playing 20 minutes of hockey and that means they're still a good team!" but I just don't know. This season has so much uncertainty. I'm just waiting for the first presser in which Tortz tells the Vancouver media to go fark themselves.


ESPN has them at 20 up ten from last week!!!  As to... Someone else wanna have a kick at getting a power rankings thread going?  It won't let me re-sub the same addy.  Even with a better headline.
 
2013-10-07 05:18:48 PM

Ishkur: RumsfeldsReplacement: 1. The Flyers have, without question, the worst group of defensemen in the NHL, and it's not even close.

This is why Philly is a black hole of suck for goalies. Bobrovsky, Bryzgalov, etc... are not bad goalies but they have no help in front of them. It proves my theory that the goalie doesn't matter much anymore. It's all about the system in front of him.


You obviously haven't watched many Senators games.
 
2013-10-07 05:32:17 PM

Ishkur: I want to think that "Hey, the Canucks can beat the Flames while only playing 20 minutes of hockey and that means they're still a good team!" but I just don't know. This season has so much uncertainty. I'm just waiting for the first presser in which Tortz tells the Vancouver media to go fark themselves.


That was a weird game.

Calgary dominated a lot of the pressure, but Vancouver cashed in on key chances.

Then they allow a tying goal with 19 seconds left, then Bieksa makes a nice move and Santorelli ends it.

They almost both deserved to lose.
 
2013-10-07 05:48:01 PM

Rev.K: Ishkur: I want to think that "Hey, the Canucks can beat the Flames while only playing 20 minutes of hockey and that means they're still a good team!" but I just don't know. This season has so much uncertainty. I'm just waiting for the first presser in which Tortz tells the Vancouver media to go fark themselves.

That was a weird game.

Calgary dominated a lot of the pressure, but Vancouver cashed in on key chances.

Then they allow a tying goal with 19 seconds left, then Bieksa makes a nice move and Santorelli ends it.

They almost both deserved to lose.


It was a perfect game for the first week of October.
 
2013-10-07 06:14:06 PM

Ishkur: Rev.K: Meanwhile, the Flames were supposed to be horrible and despite blowing three 3-goal leads so far this season, we still have points in all our games played.
We can't even fail properly.

I want to think that "Hey, the Canucks can beat the Flames while only playing 20 minutes of hockey and that means they're still a good team!" but I just don't know. This season has so much uncertainty. I'm just waiting for the first presser in which Tortz tells the Vancouver media to go fark themselves.


It's happened already, sort of:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mEek5Fhv2Q
 
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