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(Wonkette)   After 25 minutes of debate, North Carolina shifts the burden of taxation from the top 20% to the bottom 80%   (wonkette.com ) divider line
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2013-10-07 09:26:56 AM  
You know, blogs reporting what other blogs say, if the actual facts are that dire:
1. Cut taxes on rich, raise taxes on poor
2. Cause $2B budget shortfall over five years
3. Justify further elimination of public services

You don't need to go to the Fox News playbook of using ridiculous language like "rammed through" and whatnot.  The GOP enjoys a supermajority in that chamber.  They proposed it and surprise surprise were happy with it.  That's how supermajorities work.

How about just cutting to the chase with facts and not colorful analogies and metaphor?
 
2013-10-07 09:54:50 AM  
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Old news is very old. Why exactly are we greenlighting stories from June in October?
 
2013-10-07 09:55:34 AM  

whistleridge: [img.fark.net image 699x597]

Old news is very old. Why exactly are we greenlighting stories from June  Julyin October?


I need coffee.
 
2013-10-07 10:05:57 AM  
heh! best part is most of the votes that got them into office probably came from people earning less than 67,000 dollars a year.
 
2013-10-07 10:06:48 AM  
The way NC is going it will be just another U.S. wasteland by the end of this decade.

//yeah, I know old story is old

///they have only gotten worse since July.
 
2013-10-07 10:10:04 AM  
Georgia may suck (and it does) but I never imagined moving from NC to Georgia would be an improvement.
 
2013-10-07 10:11:30 AM  
I miss Original Wonkette:

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2013-10-07 10:12:27 AM  
NC has been super-crazy since the 2012 elections: insane bill after insane bill.
 
2013-10-07 10:15:13 AM  
Squeeze that turnip!
 
2013-10-07 10:15:22 AM  
And still North Carolina's state tax scales are less regressive than most of the states in the North East.
 
2013-10-07 10:21:01 AM  
Since this story is gonna be pulled at some point, I f*cked your mom last night subby.

Just kidding. It was more than 3 months ago.
 
2013-10-07 10:25:08 AM  
Up next on FAUXNews: "Why aren't the poor paying their taxes?"
 
2013-10-07 10:26:11 AM  
God hates poor people. Absolutely despises them. All they ever do is take, take, take, and never give anything back. And they have so many kids! Screaming little welfare retards ruin the schools and are just future prison food. He'd turn the whole sorry lot of them into salt if hr didn't think it would ruin next year's tomato crop.

But Republicans are saving the souls of the poor. By turning bring poor into a burden, the poor are motivated to become rich. And God loves rich people.
 
2013-10-07 10:29:16 AM  
I bet this thread is gonna go away as others have pointed out, but I feel like saying something meaningless in a place that doesn't matter, so here goes.

I left the Detroit area about a decade ago and moved to the Charlotte area of NC.

I still think I jumped out of the fire, but jumping into the frying pan isn't really that helpful.  I promise I'm not trying to bring destruction and woe in my wake.

/next stop Florida
//Maricopa County after that
///then perhaps YOUR TOWN!!!
 
2013-10-07 10:33:01 AM  
having also lived in texas and mississippi, i can honestly say that north carolina is the most backwards place i've ever lived. pretty hills tho, but it's annoying how the locals call them 'mountains'.

and with that said - it's gonna really suck for the poor folk to have to come up with an extra $24 a year. that's 4 packs of cigarettes right there.
 
2013-10-07 11:00:36 AM  
has north carolina started to sell off public property to private business
(ex. roads to become toll roads, alcohol fee revenue sold, govt buildings sold then leased back)

if not then nc not so bad yet (driving the state into debt is a prelude)
 
2013-10-07 11:04:51 AM  

taxandspend: So NC has a Republican controlled legislature, they get a $2b budget shortfall over two years.
California has a Democratic controlled legislature, they turn a budget deficit into a budget surplus.

Hmm...


With 23 million more people no less.

/not including undocumented folks.
 
2013-10-07 11:08:42 AM  

bindlestiff2600: has north carolina started to sell off public property to private business
(ex. roads to become toll roads, alcohol fee revenue sold, govt buildings sold then leased back)

if not then nc not so bad yet (driving the state into debt is a prelude)


A few of our roads have become toll roads. Haven't heard of any auctioning off of buildings or alcohol revenue. I wouldn't be surprised if it happens next though.
 
2013-10-07 11:16:30 AM  
What's sad is, the guy I voted for in my State Senate election got busted for trafficking opiates, and I feel no remorse whatsoever in voting for him over the Republican.

/at least drug traffickers are honest businessmen
 
2013-10-07 11:38:18 AM  
I can't see NC giving up control of the alcohol business.  Too many holy rollers want to keep the blue laws intact so they can control when and where people can obtain that debil's fire water.
 
2013-10-07 11:40:47 AM  
Holy shiat that was a bad piece of writing.

Look, lady-- you don't need histrionics when you got the facts AND the moral high ground. I know it's outrageous and evil behavior you're writing on, but your screeching is just going to drive people away and eventually give yourself and aneurysm.

Just report the facts; If you want to convince people sitting on the fence then throw in some specific examples of people being directly hurt by the sociopathic legislation-- no need to scream at them.

A few snarky comments here and there are fine for the sake of fanservice and personal satisfaction, of course.
 
2013-10-07 11:56:26 AM  
As a North Carolinian whose household income is well into the top 20%, let me say that this tax restructuring is appropriate because I have a nice house to pay for.
 
2013-10-07 12:26:46 PM  

Tax Boy: I miss Original Wonkette:

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Man, I would wonk the ette out of the one on the left.
 
2013-10-07 12:58:20 PM  

trekkiecougar: I can't see NC giving up control of the alcohol business.  Too many holy rollers want to keep the blue laws intact so they can control when and where people can obtain that debil's fire water.


But it will be a cold day in hell before we let Sharia Law get it's claws on our state!
 
2013-10-07 01:01:36 PM  

bdub77: bindlestiff2600: has north carolina started to sell off public property to private business
(ex. roads to become toll roads, alcohol fee revenue sold, govt buildings sold then leased back)

if not then nc not so bad yet (driving the state into debt is a prelude)

A few of our roads have become toll roads. Haven't heard of any auctioning off of buildings or alcohol revenue. I wouldn't be surprised if it happens next though.


The roads became toll roads under the PREVIOUS DEMOCRATIC ADMINISTRATIONS - the current set of republican clowns had nothing to do with this.

I don't like the current state legislature and governor but we should at least be factual in our assertions.
 
2013-10-07 01:09:12 PM  
The Y axis of the chart shows that those making $12k per year will pay an extra $24

Not that they should pay more,(And the rich definitely shouldn't be paying less) but that's not exactly class warfare.
 
2013-10-07 01:10:04 PM  

UNC_Samurai: trekkiecougar: I can't see NC giving up control of the alcohol business.  Too many holy rollers want to keep the blue laws intact so they can control when and where people can obtain that debil's fire water.

But it will be a cold day in hell before we let Sharia Law get it's claws on our state!


The previous proposed bill by DEMOCRATS to privatize the state liquor sales was rejected in committee by Republicans.

Instead the Republicans are proposing a bill that would allow counties to opt out of selling liquor (meaning the residents would have to drive to another county to pick up liquor at a state store).  This is aligned with the demands of the bible belt crowd.
 
2013-10-07 01:26:40 PM  

gblive: UNC_Samurai: trekkiecougar: I can't see NC giving up control of the alcohol business.  Too many holy rollers want to keep the blue laws intact so they can control when and where people can obtain that debil's fire water.

But it will be a cold day in hell before we let Sharia Law get it's claws on our state!

The previous proposed bill by DEMOCRATS to privatize the state liquor sales was rejected in committee by Republicans.


thank you - so far i had seen this as being along party lines
 
2013-10-07 01:33:19 PM  

gblive: UNC_Samurai: trekkiecougar: I can't see NC giving up control of the alcohol business.  Too many holy rollers want to keep the blue laws intact so they can control when and where people can obtain that debil's fire water.

But it will be a cold day in hell before we let Sharia Law get it's claws on our state!

The previous proposed bill by DEMOCRATS to privatize the state liquor sales was rejected in committee by Republicans.

Instead the Republicans are proposing a bill that would allow counties to opt out of selling liquor (meaning the residents would have to drive to another county to pick up liquor at a state store).  This is aligned with the demands of the bible belt crowd.


The thing that pisses me off the most about this Republican-led GA is the Democrats did nothing to prevent this in the previous 20 years by, oh, I don't know, NOT BEING CORRUPT AS HELL.  Mike Easley, Meg Scott Phipps, and Jim Black are the reason the inmates are now running the asylum.

And you've got to be an incredibly stupid county to opt out of liquor, considering how tight budgets are in this state.

/NC counties as a whole earn $55 million plus an additional $7 million for local law enforcement through ABC sales - imagine if you sold all day on Sundays!
 
2013-10-07 01:45:28 PM  

UNC_Samurai: gblive: UNC_Samurai: trekkiecougar: I can't see NC giving up control of the alcohol business.  Too many holy rollers want to keep the blue laws intact so they can control when and where people can obtain that debil's fire water.

But it will be a cold day in hell before we let Sharia Law get it's claws on our state!

The previous proposed bill by DEMOCRATS to privatize the state liquor sales was rejected in committee by Republicans.

Instead the Republicans are proposing a bill that would allow counties to opt out of selling liquor (meaning the residents would have to drive to another county to pick up liquor at a state store).  This is aligned with the demands of the bible belt crowd.

The thing that pisses me off the most about this Republican-led GA is the Democrats did nothing to prevent this in the previous 20 years by, oh, I don't know, NOT BEING CORRUPT AS HELL.  Mike Easley, Meg Scott Phipps, and Jim Black are the reason the inmates are now running the asylum.

And you've got to be an incredibly stupid county to opt out of liquor, considering how tight budgets are in this state.

/NC counties as a whole earn $55 million plus an additional $7 million for local law enforcement through ABC sales - imagine if you sold all day on Sundays!


Well Stated!  The real reason the current Republican crowd came to power in North Carolina recently after 100+ years of Democratic rule - is that the Democrats stole everything that was not nailed down in our state (over 20 federal indictments of state politicians, etc.).  The people of our state could not abide by this anymore. It was completely out of control.  The Republicans were voted into state office not due to their 'good' ideas, but because the population of our state could no longer put up with the continual crime of the Democrats.

The reasons you outlined above demonstrate why this liquor closing proposal from rural bible belt Republicans has nearly no traction in the state assembly. I don't believe any type of bill made it out of committee.
 
2013-10-07 02:00:57 PM  
After doing some work on Facebook lately I was going to put in a reume at the Forest City data center. Now I might not.
 
2013-10-07 02:17:43 PM  

UNC_Samurai: And you've got to be an incredibly stupid county to opt out of liquor, considering how tight budgets are in this state.


People who use their own personal out of touch morals to legislate laws on everything tend to be incredibly stupid, frankly.
 
2013-10-07 03:35:18 PM  

UNC_Samurai: trekkiecougar: I can't see NC giving up control of the alcohol business.  Too many holy rollers want to keep the blue laws intact so they can control when and where people can obtain that debil's fire water.

But it will be a cold day in hell before we let Sharia Law get it's claws on our state!


Because there is absolutely no way Sharia is an extension of the Laws laid down in Leviticus!
 
2013-10-07 03:39:53 PM  

gblive: Well Stated! The real reason the current Republican crowd came to power in North Carolina recently after 100+ years of Democratic rule - is that the Democrats stole everything that was not nailed down in our state (over 20 federal indictments of state politicians, etc.). The people of our state could not abide by this anymore. It was completely out of control. The Republicans were voted into state office not due to their 'good' ideas, but because the population of our state could no longer put up with the continual crime of the Democrats.


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2013-10-07 03:46:02 PM  
 Whooooo boy!!! Make em suffer, that'll learn em to be born poor!!!

Oh well, you get what you vote for, next time think about your own self interest and not just "sickin it to tha blacks an tha quars"
 
2013-10-07 04:21:47 PM  

Zarquon's Flat Tire: After doing some work on Facebook lately I was going to put in a reume at the Forest City data center. Now I might not.



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2013-10-07 07:55:52 PM  

Clever Neologism: NC has been super-crazy since the 2012 elections: insane bill after insane bill.



BoA has paid RTP to put more, deeper, and fractal crazy in the air, water, and dirt.
 
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