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2013-10-07 09:48:41 AM  
Up next, Ted Cruz will hold his breath until he gets his way.
 
2013-10-07 09:52:06 AM  

silo123j: Up next, Ted Cruz will hold his breath until he gets his way.


We only wish.
 
2013-10-07 09:52:36 AM  
Will the rest of the republicans follow him is the question.
 
2013-10-07 09:52:42 AM  
Fool me once.. shame... shame, on you.  Fool me twice... we can't get fooled again!
 
2013-10-07 09:53:48 AM  
Rumors out of Calgary have his parents moving.

Back to Cuba.
 
2013-10-07 09:54:11 AM  

coeyagi: Fool me once.. shame... shame, on you.  Fool me twice... we can't get fooled again!


YEEEAAAHHHH!

rockstarwallpapers10.net
 
2013-10-07 09:54:22 AM  
I wonder if anyone from the DNC is actually working this week or if they're just logging newsfeeds to tape and will have the interns mine it for the next election.
 
2013-10-07 09:54:41 AM  
He would do great in Hamas.
 
2013-10-07 09:54:41 AM  
Despite this, Cruz doesn't think his actions have taken a negative toll on his party's image.
"Not remotely," Cruz said. "But I also think far too many people are worried about politics."


And your job is, again?
 
2013-10-07 09:55:52 AM  

FarkedOver: coeyagi: Fool me once.. shame... shame, on you.  Fool me twice... we can't get fooled again!

YEEEAAAHHHH!

[rockstarwallpapers10.net image 850x680]


Jesus, I never realized Bush the Lesser was quoting The Who.  He just got really cool in my book.
 
2013-10-07 09:56:37 AM  

Skarekrough: I wonder if anyone from the DNC is actually working this week or if they're just logging newsfeeds to tape and will have the interns mine it for the next election.


I don't know how the latter doesn't qualify as the former, but ok.
 
2013-10-07 09:56:47 AM  
Of course. This is expected. Cruz can't back down. He can't back away. He has no avenue to do so - politically speaking, his back's against the wall and it's "do or die" time for him.

For the rest of the GOP, he's the scapegoat - and that'll make him a teabagger hero. "He stuck to his post, when all the other GOPers ran!" The GOP will use him as their escape route, while simultaneously manufacturing the "teabagger candidate" for 2016.
 
2013-10-07 09:57:04 AM  
He actually thinks that being "attacked" by people in his own party proves that he's winning. *headdesk*
 
2013-10-07 09:57:05 AM  
This man is playing Russian Roulette with a semi-automatic handgun. Except it's our economy that he's holding the gun to.
 
2013-10-07 09:57:17 AM  

coeyagi: FarkedOver: coeyagi: Fool me once.. shame... shame, on you.  Fool me twice... we can't get fooled again!

YEEEAAAHHHH!

[rockstarwallpapers10.net image 850x680]

Jesus, I never realized Bush the Lesser was quoting The Who.  He just got really cool in my book.


What'd you think he listened to when he got all coked up and Laura went frigid on him?
 
2013-10-07 09:57:28 AM  

coeyagi: Jesus, I never realized Bush the Lesser was quoting The Who. He just got really cool in my book.


Sadly he was just a fan of CSI Miami...
 
2013-10-07 09:57:34 AM  
Cruz is delusional if he doesn't think his constant "repeal ACA or the economy/debt ceiling gets it" chant isn't hurting Republicans in general.  As a Senator, I wonder how this constant hostage taking is playing in Texas; are they really that blood-red that even Senators can act stupid without worrying about re-election?
 
2013-10-07 09:57:59 AM  
"The debt ceiling historically has been among the best leverage that Congress has to rein in the executive," Cruz said.

That's not remotely true, right? Raising the debt ceililng has basically been a rubber stamp, procedural matter for like 99% of or history, or am I mistaken?
 
2013-10-07 09:58:21 AM  
I think someone is gunning for a 2016 presidential nomination. Hard right, full speed ahead, and damn the torpedoes! We have a derpfest primary to win!!
 
2013-10-07 10:00:00 AM  

jayhawk88: "The debt ceiling historically has been among the best leverage that Congress has to rein in the executive," Cruz said.

That's not remotely true, right? Raising the debt ceililng has basically been a rubber stamp, procedural matter for like 99% of or history, or am I mistaken?


History began Jan. 21, 2009. Before that we lived in the Garden of Eden and ate berries with Jesus and Ronald Reagan.
 
2013-10-07 10:00:16 AM  

jayhawk88: "The debt ceiling historically has been among the best leverage that Congress has to rein in the executive," Cruz said.

That's not remotely true, right? Raising the debt ceililng has basically been a rubber stamp, procedural matter for like 99% of or history, or am I mistaken?


Reagan did it seven times and the one time they thought of resisting he laid into them in an almost legendary way.

But hey....revisionism and all that.
 
2013-10-07 10:00:29 AM  

FormlessOne: Of course. This is expected. Cruz can't back down. He can't back away. He has no avenue to do so - politically speaking, his back's against the wall and it's "do or die" time for him.

For the rest of the GOP, he's the scapegoat - and that'll make him a teabagger hero. "He stuck to his post, when all the other GOPers ran!" The GOP will use him as their escape route, while simultaneously manufacturing the "teabagger candidate" for 2016.


Which will ultimately screw them over in the election.  It's amazing how a party that seemed to be bordering on Bond villain levels of evil scheming could end up being so shortsighted.
 
2013-10-07 10:01:05 AM  

Bendal: Cruz is delusional if he doesn't think his constant "repeal ACA or the economy/debt ceiling gets it" chant isn't hurting Republicans in general.  As a Senator, I wonder how this constant hostage taking is playing in Texas; are they really that blood-red that even Senators can act stupid without worrying about re-election?


Texas is busy trying to figure out if they want a governor who is crazier than Cruz, or someone who wears high heels. This has them confused.
 
2013-10-07 10:01:11 AM  

OdradekRex: Despite this, Cruz doesn't think his actions have taken a negative toll on his party's image.
"Not remotely," Cruz said. "But I also think far too many people are worried about politics."

And your job is, again?


DERP! Potato!! I LIEK CHOCOLATE MILK


/that's what I hear when Rafael speaks
//his backers must be hemorrhaging money to spin this
 
2013-10-07 10:01:41 AM  
Hellooooo fourteenth amendment!
 
2013-10-07 10:01:44 AM  

FormlessOne: Of course. This is expected. Cruz can't back down. He can't back away. He has no avenue to do so - politically speaking, his back's against the wall and it's "do or die" time for him.

For the rest of the GOP, he's the scapegoat - and that'll make him a teabagger hero. "He stuck to his post, when all the other GOPers ran!" The GOP will use him as their escape route, while simultaneously manufacturing the "teabagger candidate" for 2016.


Yes. He may end up like Joe McCarthy- censured and disgraced. That's pretty much his avenue, now.
 
2013-10-07 10:01:45 AM  

jayhawk88: "The debt ceiling historically has been among the best leverage that Congress has to rein in the executive," Cruz said.

That's not remotely true, right? Raising the debt ceililng has basically been a rubber stamp, procedural matter for like 99% of or history, or am I mistaken?


I think in 2011 there was a lot of talk about how that was the first time Congress had used the debt ceiling as a bargaining chip.
 
2013-10-07 10:03:24 AM  

Skarekrough: jayhawk88: "The debt ceiling historically has been among the best leverage that Congress has to rein in the executive," Cruz said.

That's not remotely true, right? Raising the debt ceililng has basically been a rubber stamp, procedural matter for like 99% of or history, or am I mistaken?

Reagan did it seven times and the one time they thought of resisting he laid into them in an almost legendary way.

But hey....revisionism and all that.


Reagan wanted to make sure Star Wars got paid for.  Star Wars was the beacon of hope that Supply Side Jesus personally commanded Reagan to implement, so, you know, it was all good.
 
2013-10-07 10:03:29 AM  

jayhawk88: "The debt ceiling historically has been among the best leverage that Congress has to rein in the executive," Cruz said.

That's not remotely true, right? Raising the debt ceililng has basically been a rubber stamp, procedural matter for like 99% of or history, or am I mistaken?


You are not mistaken.

However, you are also not looking at the same history teabaggers look at.  Remember, these are the people who think Obama failed in the response to Hurricane Katrina.
 
2013-10-07 10:04:09 AM  

Flappyhead: FormlessOne: Of course. This is expected. Cruz can't back down. He can't back away. He has no avenue to do so - politically speaking, his back's against the wall and it's "do or die" time for him.

For the rest of the GOP, he's the scapegoat - and that'll make him a teabagger hero. "He stuck to his post, when all the other GOPers ran!" The GOP will use him as their escape route, while simultaneously manufacturing the "teabagger candidate" for 2016.

Which will ultimately screw them over in the election.  It's amazing how a party that seemed to be bordering on Bond villain levels of evil scheming could end up being so shortsighted.


Bond villains were routinely defeated by a Scot more interested in drowning in pussy than saving the world.
 
2013-10-07 10:04:23 AM  

jayhawk88: That's not remotely true, right? Raising the debt ceililng has basically been a rubber stamp, procedural matter for like 99% of or history, or am I mistaken?


Dude, you can't let facts get in the way of a soundbite. Have you learned nothing from the GOP?
 
2013-10-07 10:04:35 AM  

Flappyhead: FormlessOne: Of course. This is expected. Cruz can't back down. He can't back away. He has no avenue to do so - politically speaking, his back's against the wall and it's "do or die" time for him.

For the rest of the GOP, he's the scapegoat - and that'll make him a teabagger hero. "He stuck to his post, when all the other GOPers ran!" The GOP will use him as their escape route, while simultaneously manufacturing the "teabagger candidate" for 2016.

Which will ultimately screw them over in the election.  It's amazing how a party that seemed to be bordering on Bond villain levels of evil scheming could end up being so shortsighted.


If the Dragonlance books taught me anything, it's that evil turns in upon itself.
 
2013-10-07 10:05:22 AM  

whatsupchuck: Hellooooo fourteenth amendment!


I guess because the CR / government shutdown is getting all the attention right now we don't see the media really raising this issue.  But when October 17th gets closer, they damn well better. How in the f*ck is this even open for discussion?  The god damn armchair constitutionalists in the House GOP seem to have used that part of the constituion to wipe their ass.

//IOKIYAR
 
2013-10-07 10:05:59 AM  

coeyagi: Skarekrough: jayhawk88: "The debt ceiling historically has been among the best leverage that Congress has to rein in the executive," Cruz said.

That's not remotely true, right? Raising the debt ceililng has basically been a rubber stamp, procedural matter for like 99% of or history, or am I mistaken?

Reagan did it seven times and the one time they thought of resisting he laid into them in an almost legendary way.

But hey....revisionism and all that.

Reagan wanted to make sure Star Wars got paid for.  Star Wars was the beacon of hope that Supply Side Jesus personally commanded Reagan to implement, so, you know, it was all good.


All hail Reagan, Saint of Supply Side Defense Spending.

/Amen
 
2013-10-07 10:06:06 AM  
I am starting to think that Cruz is very smart, but very very delusional.
 
2013-10-07 10:08:03 AM  

Karac: jayhawk88: "The debt ceiling historically has been among the best leverage that Congress has to rein in the executive," Cruz said.

That's not remotely true, right? Raising the debt ceililng has basically been a rubber stamp, procedural matter for like 99% of or history, or am I mistaken?

You are not mistaken.

However, you are also not looking at the same history teabaggers look at.  Remember, these are the people who think Obama failed in the response to Hurricane Katrina.


While I don't dout the validity of that, I guess I am going to have to check the internets because I don't remember the idiots saying that.

(Checks)

http://www.newscorpse.com/ncWP/?p=10410

i1209.photobucket.com
 
2013-10-07 10:10:48 AM  

HOOBOY!: [kensten.files.wordpress.com image 720x480]


From the land that gave us Avril Lavigne and Justin Bieber, there's Ted Cruz.

Canada hates us.
 
2013-10-07 10:11:21 AM  

Nadie_AZ: FormlessOne: Of course. This is expected. Cruz can't back down. He can't back away. He has no avenue to do so - politically speaking, his back's against the wall and it's "do or die" time for him.

For the rest of the GOP, he's the scapegoat - and that'll make him a teabagger hero. "He stuck to his post, when all the other GOPers ran!" The GOP will use him as their escape route, while simultaneously manufacturing the "teabagger candidate" for 2016.

Yes. He may end up like Joe McCarthy- censured and disgraced. That's pretty much his avenue, now.


He's farking with a lot of rich people's money in a very serious way, many of whom are not even in this country. If we actually get close to the debt ceiling and the markets start plunging, I'd bet a few of these Teahadists end up in mysterious small plane crashes or like that reporter in LA.
 
2013-10-07 10:12:01 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: I am starting to think that Cruz is very smart, but very very delusional.


Bwuh?
 
2013-10-07 10:12:09 AM  
Could a real default on our nation's debt be the thing that breaks this nation? If there is an economic disaster from this, I could see some states telling the tea-tard states to f*ck off as they don't want to go down with them.
 
2013-10-07 10:14:36 AM  

whatsupchuck: Hellooooo fourteenth amendment!


What about it?
The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, [snip] shall not be questioned
Where is the law authorizing additional public debt?

Difficulty: spending and authorization of debt are distinct powers.
 
2013-10-07 10:14:41 AM  
If Ted Cruz found himself on a desert island with no contact with humanity for the rest of his life I would not be upset.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-10-07 10:15:53 AM  

Zeno-25: Nadie_AZ: FormlessOne: Of course. This is expected. Cruz can't back down. He can't back away. He has no avenue to do so - politically speaking, his back's against the wall and it's "do or die" time for him.

For the rest of the GOP, he's the scapegoat - and that'll make him a teabagger hero. "He stuck to his post, when all the other GOPers ran!" The GOP will use him as their escape route, while simultaneously manufacturing the "teabagger candidate" for 2016.

Yes. He may end up like Joe McCarthy- censured and disgraced. That's pretty much his avenue, now.

He's farking with a lot of rich people's money in a very serious way, many of whom are not even in this country. If we actually get close to the debt ceiling and the markets start plunging, I'd bet a few of these Teahadists end up in mysterious small plane crashes or like that reporter in LA.


He's like a dumb one of these:

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-10-07 10:15:54 AM  

jayhawk88: "The debt ceiling historically has been among the best leverage that Congress has to rein in the executive," Cruz said.

That's not remotely true, right? Raising the debt ceililng has basically been a rubber stamp, procedural matter for like 99% of or history, or am I mistaken?


Considering the fact that Congress holds the purse-strings, I'm not sure how it's relevant to use the debt ceiling limit to "rein in the executive". In fact, I'm not sure how it's relevant to use the debt ceiling limit for anything.

Why hasn't the debt ceiling limit been challenged as unconstitutional?
 
2013-10-07 10:15:55 AM  

Skarekrough: jayhawk88: "The debt ceiling historically has been among the best leverage that Congress has to rein in the executive," Cruz said.

That's not remotely true, right? Raising the debt ceililng has basically been a rubber stamp, procedural matter for like 99% of or history, or am I mistaken?

Reagan did it seven times and the one time they thought of resisting he laid into them in an almost legendary way.

But hey....revisionism and all that.


Do you (or anyone else) have a link to Reagan's comments on that?  Got some 'baggers that could use a history lesson.
 
2013-10-07 10:17:12 AM  

jtrockville: Why hasn't the debt ceiling limit been challenged as unconstitutional?


Because debt ceiling legislation is a way to make it easier for the Executive to spend money. If the idea of a debt ceiling is ruled unconstitutional, Congress just goes back to having to authorize every individual issuance of public debt.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-10-07 10:17:51 AM  

The Guitar Solo from Ride the Lightning: Skarekrough: jayhawk88: "The debt ceiling historically has been among the best leverage that Congress has to rein in the executive," Cruz said.

That's not remotely true, right? Raising the debt ceililng has basically been a rubber stamp, procedural matter for like 99% of or history, or am I mistaken?

Reagan did it seven times and the one time they thought of resisting he laid into them in an almost legendary way.

But hey....revisionism and all that.

Do you (or anyone else) have a link to Reagan's comments on that?  Got some 'baggers that could use a history lesson.


You're assuming they will read it.  We've already gone through the looking glass.  Facts are amorphous concepts to the derpers.
 
2013-10-07 10:18:08 AM  

sprawl15: whatsupchuck: Hellooooo fourteenth amendment!

What about it?The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, [snip] shall not be questionedWhere is the law authorizing additional public debt?

Difficulty: spending and authorization of debt are distinct powers.


I would argue that existing law, insofar as it results in accumulation of further debt, covers the "aurthorized by law" bit.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-10-07 10:19:11 AM  

sprawl15: jtrockville: Why hasn't the debt ceiling limit been challenged as unconstitutional?

Because debt ceiling legislation is a way to make it easier for the Executive to spend money. If the idea of a debt ceiling is ruled unconstitutional, Congress just goes back to having to authorize every individual issuance of public debt.


Which you probably shouldn't say too loudly.  I am sure that there are plenty out there that think the absolute freezing of all government action this would cause would be an excellent idea.
 
2013-10-07 10:21:41 AM  

whatsupchuck: I would argue that existing law, insofar as it results in accumulation of further debt, covers the "aurthorized by law" bit.


Again:

sprawl15: Difficulty: spending and authorization of debt are distinct powers.

 
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