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(NYPost)   Turns out that Congress isn't exempt from Obamacare, they are just benefiting from an employer subsidy that doesn't exist, and isn't authorized   (nypost.com) divider line 29
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2013-10-07 09:12:57 AM
Too many lawyers in one place leads to this kind of thing.
 
2013-10-07 09:14:59 AM
Some pigs are more equal than others
 
2013-10-07 09:16:54 AM
Is this a joke?  It's like an ad for working for the public sector vs the private sector, couched in a strange blanket of blaming obamacare.
 
2013-10-07 09:21:23 AM

BeesNuts: Is this a joke?  It's like an ad for working for the public sector vs the private sector, couched in a strange blanket of blaming obamacare.


NY Murdoch Post.
 
2013-10-07 09:22:11 AM
Oh sure, and those bastard vets with their healthcare and Medicare and Medicaid recipients too????

SHUTDOWN ALL THE THINGS!!!!!*

*except the parks, monuments, Social Security, my Medicare, and whatever else I like. Maybe just the EPA. Yeah. Just the EPA.
 
2013-10-07 09:24:23 AM

AMonkey'sUncle: BeesNuts: Is this a joke?  It's like an ad for working for the public sector vs the private sector, couched in a strange blanket of blaming obamacare.

NY Murdoch Post.


The argument just doesn't make any sense at all.  I guess it's supposed to be outrageous?  I'm supposed to be outraged.  And then that was supposed to make the fact that this word salad is incomprehensible gibberish not matter to me.
 
2013-10-07 09:25:03 AM
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It's really simple.  When the ACA was being debated and amended, this exchange happened:

Republicans:  Well, if ACA is so great, why don't you use the Exchanges?
Democrats: We'll be happy to use them!  Write an amendment that says we have to use them!
Republicans: Okay!

Here's what the law's text says: "Notwithstanding any other provision of the law, after the effective date of this subtitle, the only health plans that the Federal Government may make available to Members of Congress and Congressional staff with respect to their service as a Member of Congress or congressional staff shall be health plans that are - (I) created under this Act (or an amendment made by this Act); or (II) offered through an Exchange established under this Act (or an Amendment made by this Act)."

In other words, Congress must use Obamacare.


The only difference is that Congresscritters (and their aides) are allowed to use money from their employers to help pay for their insurance.  But they also don't have the choice that all other Americans do of being able to keep their employer-provided insurance.  Because Republicans got what they wanted.  And now they misrepresent the very thing they asked for.

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2013-10-07 09:26:55 AM
Wow... that's a lot of derp.
 
2013-10-07 09:30:18 AM
 The idea was that Congress should be treated just like those ordinary working Americans who will be dumped from their employer's plan and forced to shop on the exchanges.

Yeah, about that... I haven't been "dumped" from my employer's plan. Neither has my wife. Neither have any of my FB friends, because you can be SURE that I would have heard about it, in amongst all of those "Fark Obama" posts I see all day long. As a matter of fact, I sdon't know anyone who has been "dumped" by their employer, nor do I know anyone who has been "forced" to switch  to Obamacare. And I never understood this "Congress is exempt" bullshiat, you don't have to sign up for Obabamcare unless your employer dumps your plan, and Congress isn't dumping theirs, so what exactly made people think they were exempt, anyway?
 
2013-10-07 09:32:10 AM
I am a little bit curious if the govts healthcare payout to their emplyees is taxed as income.
 
2013-10-07 09:37:39 AM

HeartBurnKid: Wow... that's a lot of derp.


And it was printed in the New York Post.

Prosecution rests, m'lud.
 
2013-10-07 09:45:01 AM
Dear Subtard:

"The White House Office of Personnel Management has ruled that the federal government should continue to pay the full employer share of premiums - despite the fact that such payments are not authorized in the health-care law. "

You fail.
 
2013-10-07 09:45:31 AM

Saiga410: I am a little bit curious if the govts healthcare payout to their emplyees is taxed as income.


Why would it be? Benefits aren't unless, you know, they are actually...income.
 
2013-10-07 10:09:42 AM

Mikey1969: you don't have to sign up for Obabamcare unless your employer dumps your plan, and Congress isn't dumping theirs


That's wrong.  Congress IS dumping their healthcare plan.  Members of Congress and congressional staff are, come Jan. 1, no longer eligible for the Federal employee health plan.  They are REQUIRED, by law, to purchase insurance through the marketplaces established by the PPACA.

Not only is the Congress not exempt from the law, they have more requirements under the law than anyone else.
 
2013-10-07 10:11:34 AM
Obamacare says that the congressional staff should be kicked out of the federal employee's health insurance program.  And Obama said that the federal government should then keep picking up 75% of the cost of whatever new plan they get.

So ... my question is: how much do these staffer's make?  I can't imagine they make as much as the Congressmen, so it's not inconceivable they'd be eligible for subsidies anyway.
 
2013-10-07 10:27:00 AM
FTA: One can easily debate the wisdom of Republican tactics, but in rejecting Republican demands, Democrats have made it all to clear that what they are calling for is: ObamaCare for thee, but not for me.

Michael D. Tanner is a senior fellow at the Cato Institute.

Michael D. Tanner is a senior fellow at the Cato Institute.

Michael D. Tanner is a senior fellow at the Cato Institute.

Michael D. Tanner is a senior fellow at the Cato Institute.


Obvious propaganda is obvious.

/shut up, you
 
2013-10-07 10:32:38 AM

Saiga410: I am a little bit curious if the govts healthcare payout to their emplyees is taxed as income.


Is your employer match to your healthcare plan taxed as income?
 
2013-10-07 10:45:27 AM
Republicans in the House included an amendment to the government funding bill currently being debated in Congress that would strip out Congress' subsidy, but the Democratically controlled Senate has refused to consider it.

And this is what the government shutdown is all about.  Senate democrats would rather shutdown the government than lose their sweetheart deal.
 
2013-10-07 10:48:00 AM

Mikey1969: I never understood this "Congress is exempt" bullshiat, you don't have to sign up for Obabamcare unless your employer dumps your plan, and Congress isn't dumping theirs, so what exactly made people think they were exempt, anyway?


The people howling "Congress is exempt!" are exhibiting a stupid response to an even stupider situation, because Congress (but not the rest of the Federal government) IS dropping theirs.

Chuck Grassley added an amendment to Obamacare that was supposed to be a "poison pill" - a requirement that Congresscritters and their staff would have to buy exchange plans, and the government could no longer offer them employer-sponsored insurance, as they do other Federal employees.

Democrats rolled their eyes and accepted it.

But (ask any temp employee of anywhere) losing an employer insurance subsidy is a BIG pay cut. And their salaries, set by unrelated law, aren't going up to compensate.

So the executive branch decided they'd kick in a subsidy payment, even though that's not explicitly part of Obamacare, to ease the pay cut.

Cue outraged TPers screaming "Obama's exempting Congress from Obamacare!" while neither knowing nor caring that they're being partially exempted from a Congress-specific requirement.

The people screaming "Obama's exempting himself!" don't know or care that Obamacare, in and of itself, doesn't take away employer-provided insurance. They probably think it's a UK-style NHS plus death panels, and that it requires everyone to have an RFID chip implanted, and everything else in the usual Fw: FW: Fw: emails.
 
2013-10-07 11:03:54 AM
I think Congress should be ineligible for health care.
 
2013-10-07 11:19:41 AM

Gaseous Anomaly: Chuck Grassley added an amendment to Obamacare that was supposed to be a "poison pill" - a requirement that Congresscritters and their staff would have to buy exchange plans, and the government could no longer offer them employer-sponsored insurance, as they do other Federal employees.

Democrats rolled their eyes and accepted it.

But (ask any temp employee of anywhere) losing an employer insurance subsidy is a BIG pay cut. And their salaries, set by unrelated law, aren't going up to compensate.

So the executive branch decided they'd kick in a subsidy payment, even though that's not explicitly part of Obamacare, to ease the pay cut.


So in other words, despite eye rolling, the democrats in congress included as part of the law this BIG pay cut for themselves, to show everyone that they can live under Obamacare like everyone else.  Then Obama gives them all a backdoor subsidy "to ease the pay cut."  That undermines the purpose of the Grassley amendment.  When republicans in the House attach a provision to the CR to end those subsidies, democrats in the Senate throw a fit and decide that they would rather shutdown the government than give up their subsidies.
 
2013-10-07 11:20:30 AM

KyngNothing: Saiga410: I am a little bit curious if the govts healthcare payout to their emplyees is taxed as income.

Is your employer match to your healthcare plan taxed as income?


No but this subsidy trades hands differently than with my employers health insurance.
 
2013-10-07 12:45:32 PM
The idea was that Congress should be treated just like those ordinary working Americans who will be dumped from their employer's plan and forced to shop on the exchanges. And, like many of those workers, Congress would, under normal circumstances, lose the employer contribution toward their insurance.

The Job Creators would never use Obamacare as an excuse to cut my compensation like that! The Job Creators are just! The Job Creators are great! Why do you hate the Job Creators, NY Post?
 
2013-10-07 12:46:32 PM
I believe the reason why people think Obamacare is so bad is because those people don't understand why there have been so many votes to defund or repeal it.

It's because Republicans, especially those in Congress, don't want to endorse ideas that Democrats have presented. There you go.
 
2013-10-07 12:54:59 PM

Saiga410: KyngNothing: Saiga410: I am a little bit curious if the govts healthcare payout to their emplyees is taxed as income.

Is your employer match to your healthcare plan taxed as income?

No but this subsidy trades hands differently than with my employers health insurance.


What on earth are you on about?
 
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2013-10-07 01:27:35 PM
according to ads i've been hearing on AM radio lately... it isn't that Congress is exempt... it is specifically "Congressional Democrats" only.

the true patriots didn't get any special treatment from Obama. only the Democrats.

seriously. the ad says that a good 3-4 times.
 
2013-10-07 01:33:37 PM
So, if they Democrats are breaking the law with regards to the employee subsidy, why don't the Republicans just take it to the courts? All that would be required is for them to make a rational argument.
 
2013-10-08 12:14:46 AM

Karac: So ... my question is: how much do these staffer's make? I can't imagine they make as much as the Congressmen, so it's not inconceivable they'd be eligible for subsidies anyway.


It's a range. Staff Assistants at about $25k, Chiefs of Staff at $120k or so. Members get $174,000. It's actually all public info, though you usually have to rely on a third party to comb through the disbursement office reports for you. (Legistorm is run by jackasses, but it's really the only game out there right now.) Oh, and Staff Salaries have been cut by about a third in recent years. Because fark the staffers, they got theirs.
 
2013-10-08 12:16:58 AM

Gaseous Anomaly: So the executive branch decided they'd kick in a subsidy payment, even though that's not explicitly part of Obamacare, to ease the pay cut.


Both Republicans and Democrats (seriously, Boehner was personally involved) pressured the President to allow them to keep providing the already existing employer subsidies. Perhaps because they knew their staff would murder them in their sleep if they didn't.
 
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