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(Ottawa Citizen)   Canadian perspective: "What is playing out is essentially a Washington blame game, an Inside the Beltway version of reality TV, with Republicans and Democrats voting each other off the island"   (ottawacitizen.com) divider line 30
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2013-10-07 11:44:24 AM  
4 votes:
Such a shame that people outside of the US don't realize the Democrats have absolutely nothing to do with this...

this is completely at the feet of house Republicans, it was instigated by Cruz in the Senate but now Boehner is owning it so he can "look like the alpha" to those under his leadership.

Problem being, this high school pissing contest is playing with the full faith and credit of the "best country on earth", as if it's worth it to do this because the US is trying to catch up with Canada and everyone else in providing guaranteed healthcare for everyone.

Such a shame. If the country goes to hell because of the house republican's irresponsibility, they'll do what they always do and project, they'll shift blame onto the democrats. Yet the democrats aren't asking anything from the republicans. Just insane.

Really hoping I can escape this country sometime in the near future.
2013-10-07 12:10:58 PM  
3 votes:
As a Canadian, I can't say this is my perspective on it.  What we're seeing is another episode of a right wing minority trying to take over the US.  Obamacare, for all the public mention of it, is only the macguffin.  The real issue the control of the GOP and hence, control of the gerrymandered house, and ultimately control of the purse strings of the US gov't.

This is the same "disagreement" that led to the sequester.  Only now, even tea qaeda realizes the Dems won't be fooled twice, so the stakes are that much higher.  The real issue is...  will the rank and file "sane" Republicans step forward and declare that enough is enough?

As far as the effects on the Canadian economy, I can agree with the article's writer.  We're going to temporarily see a stronger Canadian dollar.  Luckily (or unluckily, depending on your perspective) the Canadian economy is tied too tightly to the US for the looney to totally take off compared to the US dollar.  If the US does default and the globe goes to either the Euro or the Yuan as the global currency, we'll probably end up tanking too.
2013-10-07 11:49:54 AM  
3 votes:
Not even close.

What is happening is the GOP is trying for an enormous power grab where they will control national policy from a slim majority in the House by threatening to severely harm the country if their demands are not met. The Democrats are dealing with a hostage situation where any concessions will set the precedent that the US can be successfully held for ransom.
2013-10-07 11:38:05 AM  
3 votes:

RedPhoenix122: Can we vote them all out next year?


Why are you assuming that the people who will replace them will be superior in any way?
2013-10-07 12:23:23 PM  
2 votes:
Want a long-term solution to this? Send Wendy Davis a check.

Texas has 36 seats in the House, and thanks to gerrymandering only 12 Dems. Gerrymandered majorities are /fragile/ -- get her the cash to campaign successfully and straight-ticket voters may vote for her and kick out the failures in the bargain.
2013-10-07 12:05:31 PM  
2 votes:

Lando Lincoln: TeDDD: Yeah, I can tell very easily that many of you read the headline, but not even the opening of the article.

The headline quote really didn't fit the rest of the article. Not sure why the author put that in there.


I think the author is saying that, despite the facts being clear to an outside observer (One: Obama will not back down on the ACA, and Two: the Tea Partiers are ignoring the constitutional division of power in order to provoke a crisis) the situation has devolved to finger pointing and posturing.
2013-10-07 11:57:15 AM  
2 votes:
Yeah, I can tell very easily that many of you read the headline, but not even the opening of the article.
2013-10-07 11:48:44 AM  
2 votes:

RedPhoenix122: qorkfiend: RedPhoenix122: Can we vote them all out next year?

Why are you assuming that the people who will replace them will be superior in any way?

Because if we start doing that, maybe they'll realize they need to be better in order to keep their job.


How would that work if you're not applying any sort of discriminating criteria? If we're "voting them all out" then we're voting out the "good" representatives as well as the "bad representatives" while leaving in place all of the things that brought the "bad representatives" into the process in the first place, not to mention that most people's definition of "good representative" and "bad representative" is probably dependent on whether or not it's their Congressman in question.
2013-10-07 11:41:01 AM  
2 votes:
But two things are clear in the budget impasse.

First, health reform is a signature piece of legislation for Obama. There is no chance that he would allow himself to be rolled on it by the Republicans.

Second, the Tea Party has broken constitutional convention in terms of the division of powers. They have provoked what amounts to a constitutional crisis. Such is the significance of the standoff that Obama cancelled an important trip to Asia to attend the APEC summit of heads of government.


Third, if Obama caves in to these lunatics, then it's opening the door to all kinds of future lunacy. A line in the sand must be drawn NOW.

"We've made too many compromises already. Too many retreats. They invade our space and we fall back. They assimilate entire worlds, and we fall back. Not again! The line must be drawn HERE! This far, no further!" - Captain Jean Luc Obama
2013-10-07 11:20:49 PM  
1 votes:

Jormungandr: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: I'm sure Canadians would have a different opinion of it were their conservative party shutting down the government and threatening economic collapse if they couldn't repeal single-payer.

Such a party would be laughed out of office. And then would never win any election more important than "team captain for local lacrosse team". "Tried to destroy our public healthcare" is to Canada what "Tried to downsize the military" is to the US.


And yet when Harper started chipping away at our public healthcare by unilaterally changing the funding formula under the Health Accord, hardly anyone noticed. The difference between Harper and the Tea Party is he knows he wouldn't have been elected on a promise to destroy public healthcare, so rather than shouting it from the rooftops he goes at it in stealth mode.
2013-10-07 01:40:03 PM  
1 votes:

God Is My Co-Pirate: Jormungandr: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: I'm sure Canadians would have a different opinion of it were their conservative party shutting down the government and threatening economic collapse if they couldn't repeal single-payer.

Such a party would be laughed out of office. And then would never win any election more important than "team captain for local lacrosse team". "Tried to destroy our public healthcare" is to Canada what "Tried to downsize the military" is to the US.

More than that, it's the equivalent of "tried to repeal the second amendment." Once you guys get public healthcare it will be politically untouchable and I suspect that the GOP knows this.


Affordable Healthcare scares them almost as much as what can come next, FREE (or single payer) healthcare.  It scares the shiat out of them.  They know what will happen when people get it.  Its not the cost, its not the loss of big business, its the name associated, its the big fat D thats stamped all over it.  People are going to see a doctor for the first time in decades, hell for some in their lives.

The American populace is going to shoot manjuice all over Obamacare, they are going to rub it all over themselves.  They are going to take that big D Obamacare and farking marry it.  Name their children after it, farking name their churches after it and have it tatood on their breast.  The republican knows the worst thing about Obamacare.  Obamacare means the R's have to move to the left or die off.

They will destroy this country, burn it to the farking ground.  They have to or they have no future.

Ladies and gentlemen, you are about to see a cornered Rat take out the country.
2013-10-07 01:30:16 PM  
1 votes:

Jormungandr: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: I'm sure Canadians would have a different opinion of it were their conservative party shutting down the government and threatening economic collapse if they couldn't repeal single-payer.

Such a party would be laughed out of office. And then would never win any election more important than "team captain for local lacrosse team". "Tried to destroy our public healthcare" is to Canada what "Tried to downsize the military" is to the US.


More than that, it's the equivalent of "tried to repeal the second amendment." Once you guys get public healthcare it will be politically untouchable and I suspect that the GOP knows this.
2013-10-07 01:12:11 PM  
1 votes:

AllYourFarkAreBelongToMe: qorkfiend: RedPhoenix122: Can we vote them all out next year?

Why are you assuming that the people who will replace them will be superior in any way?

Because they can't possibly be any worse?  And I mean ALL of them.


"Don't ever challenge WORSE."  ~  B. Cosby
2013-10-07 12:55:21 PM  
1 votes:

AllYourFarkAreBelongToMe: qorkfiend: RedPhoenix122: Can we vote them all out next year?

Why are you assuming that the people who will replace them will be superior in any way?

Because they can't possibly be any worse?  And I mean ALL of them.


"cant possibly be any worse" is a very very very very very dangerous thing, its how you end up dead. Or worse.  I'm not saying fear should keep people from running out the incumbents.  But. Would a Tea Party supermajority be any better?  Or would it be worse?
2013-10-07 12:40:06 PM  
1 votes:

red5ish: Lando Lincoln: Personally, I am willing to trade the entire global economy in exchange for the destruction of the Tea Party, the severe crippling of the Republican Party, an end to gerrymandering and a reversal of the Citizens United ruling.

Pyr′rhic vic′tory
n.
a victory or goal achieved at too great a cost.

Let's look at other options before we go there.


It's the cost we're probably going to end up paying sooner or later, either now or a couple months down the road when we do all this yet again. Or a couple months beyond that, or a couple months beyond that, until we draw the line in the sand, at which point we default because the Tea Party is just that insane. If we're going to default, we might as well just do the damn thing now. We can't run from this forever.
2013-10-07 12:34:04 PM  
1 votes:

Mouldy Squid: Despite the flaws of our parliament, it works fairly well in comparison to the antics happening south of the border right now. We need reform of the election act, but the parliamentary process is better than most.


I think there are really only two things we have to do.  First is look at how MPs are elected.  This first (filter ignore this!) past the post system only  works if there are two parties.  We need instant run off voting.  Also, there should be a number of non-riding federal seats available so that parties that can manage a significant percentage of the vote but can't get an MP elected in a riding can represent Canadians in parliament so that our parliament is more or less representative of the mix of Canadian political philosophy.

The other thing is to look at the Senate. I'm not saying it should necessarily be an elected Senate, but there should be a way to avoid political parties stacking it with ringers.  Maybe term limits or perhaps some way of limiting an ideological stacking of the Senate that doesn't serve Canadians.
2013-10-07 12:28:54 PM  
1 votes:
What we are seeing is the affect of Citizens United.

The Tea Party was formed by a few billionaires and some millionaires, which were elected from the money raised this way.

Since this potential economic meltdown is via the Tea Party, it's therefore caused by Citizens United.
2013-10-07 12:28:14 PM  
1 votes:
It really, really depresses me when the 'Smartest' comments are by people who claim to be disagreeing the the author when, in fact, they are in complete agreement.
2013-10-07 12:23:12 PM  
1 votes:
In Canada we have access to CNN, Fox News, Drudge, Politico, Huffington Post, the Daily Show, etc. Anybody who actually cares doesn't need some trite article in a local paper to understand that the Tea Party is using its gerrymandered majority in the house to take the American economy hostage, in an effort to dictate policy to the senate and executive branch.
2013-10-07 12:21:06 PM  
1 votes:

gopher321: In other words, Boehner is asking the White House for a deal, but he can forget about one with defunding of ObamaCare.

Sooo...to continue the foreign perspective, this is all just a game of chicken?


Yeah...and the GOP are being whiny petulant children about the whole thing.
2013-10-07 11:59:48 AM  
1 votes:

TeDDD: Yeah, I can tell very easily that many of you read the headline, but not even the opening of the article.


The headline quote really didn't fit the rest of the article. Not sure why the author put that in there.
2013-10-07 11:56:12 AM  
1 votes:

From The Woods: Such a shame that people outside of the US don't realize the Democrats have absolutely nothing to do with this...

this is completely at the feet of house Republicans, it was instigated by Cruz in the Senate but now Boehner is owning it so he can "look like the alpha" to those under his leadership.


Actually, the submission headline is a bit misleading with regards to the how the article explains the situation.

"In the U.S. constitutional division of powers, the president proposes, the Congress disposes and the Supreme Court decides.
In 2010, President Barack Obama proposed the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, and Congress passed it. Last year, the Supreme Court upheld ObamaCare.
But the Tea Party wing of the Republican majority in the House of Representatives denied funding for ObamaCare in the budget standoff with the Democratic majority in the Senate this week. "

Bam, right in the preamble the author of the column sets up that the Tea Partiers are having a little tantrum.   He also refers to the Tea Party wing as 'crazies' which Boehner should ditch if he wants to save the GOP.  I'd say he's grasped the situation rather well.
2013-10-07 11:53:26 AM  
1 votes:

vpb: qorkfiend: RedPhoenix122: Can we vote them all out next year?

Why are you assuming that the people who will replace them will be superior in any way?

There are polls showing that the Democrats would pick up enough seats to re-take the house if the election were held now.


I interpreted "vote them all out" as "replace everyone in Congress". I could be wrong.
2013-10-07 11:51:50 AM  
1 votes:

Target Builder: Not even close.

What is happening is the GOP is trying for an enormous power grab where they will control national policy from a slim majority in the House by threatening to severely harm the country if their demands are not met. The Democrats are dealing with a hostage situation where any concessions will set the precedent that the US can be successfully held for ransom.


That's effectively what TFA says. Subby decided to pull out a single BSABSVR sentence out of context.
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-10-07 11:51:15 AM  
1 votes:

qorkfiend: RedPhoenix122: Can we vote them all out next year?

Why are you assuming that the people who will replace them will be superior in any way?


There are polls showing that the Democrats would pick up enough seats to re-take the house if the election were held now.
2013-10-07 11:50:26 AM  
1 votes:
Personally, I am willing to trade the entire global economy in exchange for the destruction of the Tea Party, the severe crippling of the Republican Party, an end to gerrymandering and a reversal of the Citizens United ruling. I think a severe global economic downturn is the only thing that will make people demand such changes to our broken political system.

So...yeah. GO, TEA PARTIERS, GO! DESTROY ALL IN YOUR PATH!
2013-10-07 11:48:16 AM  
1 votes:
Thus proving once again that Canadians have no idea what the fark is going on.
2013-10-07 11:45:56 AM  
1 votes:
This isn't a blame game.  That's what usually happens.  This is so much different and so much worse.  C'mon, Canadian newspaper.
2013-10-07 11:39:52 AM  
1 votes:
A blame game?  Only if you really, really dumb down the situation.
2013-10-07 11:33:14 AM  
1 votes:
Can we vote them all out next year?
 
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