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(NPR)   Since the North Carolina legislature gutted the public educational system, the aviation industry has had to open its own schools   (npr.org ) divider line
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2013-10-07 07:38:49 AM  
This country badly needs the return of trade schools.
 
2013-10-07 08:01:05 AM  
Very few legislators send their kids to public schools.
 
2013-10-07 08:09:38 AM  
I notice all the places they reference are in the Triad.  Not surprising - the folks in Greensboro saw the demise of the textile industry coming (although High Point I don't think was as fully prepared for the exodus of the furniture industry) and invested heavily in economic diversification in the 90s and 2000s - sort of the same way Raleigh and Durham set up the RTP in the 70s and 80s.

Meanwhile, other parts of the state are being run by the same sorts of morons as the General Assembly, and they're more worried about their game of Firearms & Fallopian Tubes to actually govern.
 
2013-10-07 08:13:31 AM  

Slives: This country badly needs the return of trade schools.


We have tons of trade schools. Seriously, you can't turn around without hitting a trade school for everything from welding to culinary arts. That's not the problem. The problem is that we went from public trade schools to private trade schools.

Our public education system used to have lots of trade schools - some states, like Connecticut, still do. I know, as I went to a high school with a vocational agriculture (VOAG) program second to none in the country, partnered with a public trade school that covers everything from hairdressing to construction arts. We had 17-year-olds coming out of high school with the ability to run family farms, open businesses, and service trades, all with apprentice-level occupational educations in addition to a high school diploma - these were folks that were basically "shovel-ready", so to speak. But, Connecticut's lucky - the state has a good emphasis on public education (although it could be better...) Occupational education went to hell in other states, because, well, we have this robust private trade school environment that can fill in.

The explosion of private, for-profit trade schools with shady credentials and oppressive financing further degraded occupational education, though, because enough of those places turned out to be scams in the 90's and 00's to make employers twitchy about hiring from all but a few of the more reputable schools. Private trade schools are a money-making scheme - in the late 90's, more than three-quarters of all student loan defaulters came from private trade schools. Private trade schools used antiquated equipment, hired unqualified instructors for overcrowded classes (if they even bothered to hold classes at all - some schools simply took tuition money, ensured students were present for at least one week to guarantee their "no refund" policy, and ran), and provided "education" that was occupationally useless, or worse than useless, to employers. Nurses trained on equipment that hasn't been in use in three decades. Hairdressers that didn't understand the basics of coloration. Most private trade schools offer less than the public trade school my classmates attended a quarter-century ago, and charge far more than they were worth, with few or no controls on either education or cost.

So, we now have a system in which public education is seen as "lowest common denominator occupational training" by conservatives, who want to funnel public education money into private hands and expect that "the free market" will provide useful education for any who can pay for it, and private education is seen as "a scam for the poor and an open door for the rich", as there are few controls on private education when it comes to trade schools. It's a bizarre money grab of huge proportions, yet you don't hear about many trade school operators going to jail for fraud, embezzlement, misuse of public funds, etc., etc. - because they're private trade schools, and apparently private education is "caveat emptor".

The farther south you go, though, the worse this all seems to get - public education is being systematically dismantled, and trade schools are often seen as where the lower classes go for whatever education they think that they can afford. (Thank the 80's for that - it didn't take long to turn "working with your hands" into an epithet in the era that taught us that "greed was good.") The poor get ripped off, the middle class pick & choose, and the rich, well, what's the point?
 
2013-10-07 08:23:42 AM  
Honestly, the Department of Education ruined education in this country long before North Carolina could spit on its grave.
 
2013-10-07 08:24:35 AM  

UNC_Samurai: I notice all the places they reference are in the Triad.  Not surprising - the folks in Greensboro saw the demise of the textile industry coming (although High Point I don't think was as fully prepared for the exodus of the furniture industry) and invested heavily in economic diversification in the 90s and 2000s - sort of the same way Raleigh and Durham set up the RTP in the 70s and 80s.

Meanwhile, other parts of the state are being run by the same sorts of morons as the General Assembly, and they're more worried about their game of Firearms & Fallopian Tubes to actually govern.


I've often wondered how Charlotte became the banking center it is today. We did give the world Sue Myrick, Harvey Gantt, Mel Watt and last but not least Pat McCrory.

We do need to diversify here in CLT. When I moved here in the 80's manufacturing was alive and well. Now we are a city of bankers and poor people.
 
2013-10-07 08:42:13 AM  
Good.  Companies should train their own employees, instead of relying on my tax dollars to do it.
 
2013-10-07 08:49:11 AM  
More proof that the private sector does it better then the government.  It really is a shame that we have all of these people that grow up in a single mother homes and therefor look to the government to be their father and take care of them.  If we could just get these people good mental help we would remove the liberal threat to our liberty  in a single generation.
 
2013-10-07 09:05:37 AM  

lordaction: More proof that the private sector does it better then the government.  It really is a shame that we have all of these people that grow up in a single mother homes and therefor look to the government to be their father and take care of them.  If we could just get these people good mental help we would remove the liberal threat to our liberty  in a single generation.


I wonder how you can be packed so full of excrement and still be a functional human being.
Guh bye, troll.
 
2013-10-07 09:15:27 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: I wonder how you can be packed so full of excrement and still be a functional human being.


He's like the anti-Bono.
 
2013-10-07 09:21:40 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: lordaction: More proof that the private sector does it better then the government.  It really is a shame that we have all of these people that grow up in a single mother homes and therefor look to the government to be their father and take care of them.  If we could just get these people good mental help we would remove the liberal threat to our liberty  in a single generation.

I wonder how you can be packed so full of excrement and still be a functional human being.
Guh bye, troll.


I wonder why liberals can never debate a topic without immediately resorting to personal attacks.  It is almost as if they don't have any facts on their side so childish insults is all they have left.  The rest of the population stops arguing that way around middle school but given the high illiteracy rate (as much as 50% according to most studies) among democrats, it really isn't that surprising.
 
2013-10-07 09:21:41 AM  
They've been doing this kind of thing in Wichita for years as well. Boeing (Spirit) or Cessna or whomever will hold night classes to try and teach some of the shop guys/people off the street Catia or whatever else the engineers use. Apparently it's Keystone Kops-level comedy in these classes if you know anything about computers and/or modeling software.
 
2013-10-07 09:24:54 AM  
FTFA:

"It's become far more about, well, software engineers programming machine tools," he says. "That has resulted in fewer jobs, but better jobs - and of course an industry that is far more dependent upon talented and experienced professionals."

Appears to be another article about technology displacing several low-skilled jobs with a few high skilled ones.  Last I checked, most software engineers had a bachelors degree in CS.  Public K-12 can't give you that.

And this really is a problem and increases the divide between the wealthy and poor.  How many unemployed and disaffected poor do we have to have before we get a repeat of the French Revolution right here in the U.S.  I am guessing nothing will be done before heads start appearing on the ends of sticks.
 
2013-10-07 09:34:18 AM  

FormlessOne: We have tons of trade schools. Seriously, you can't turn around without hitting a trade school for everything from welding to culinary arts. That's not the problem. The problem is that we went from public trade schools to private trade schools.


A full-blown anti-intellectual movement didn't help matters either.
 
2013-10-07 09:44:07 AM  
These aviation education program hosted by TIMCO and other companies in our state have been in existence for over two decades. They are not new. Most of the programs are provided in alliance with our two year community colleges. North Carolina (for those who do not know it) has one of the strongest state two year community college programs in the U.S.  Similarly we have one of the strongest (and most affordable) four year oublic university programs in the U.S. - UNC Chapel Hill, NC State, East Carolina, App State, Western, etc.   UNC Chapel Hill has been ranked number 1 as the top value in public education for over 10 years in a row.

Maybe the subby needs to re-think their misinformed headlines.
 
2013-10-07 09:45:55 AM  

Pumpernickel bread: Appears to be another article about technology displacing several low-skilled jobs with a few high skilled ones.  Last I checked, most software engineers had a bachelors degree in CS.  Public K-12 can't give you that.

And this really is a problem and increases the divide between the wealthy and poor.  How many unemployed and disaffected poor do we have to have before we get a repeat of the French Revolution right here in the U.S.  I am guessing nothing will be done before heads start appearing on the ends of sticks.


Actually, I doubt that most software engineers have bachelors degrees in CS. Last 4 places I worked didn't. You get a mix of CS degrees, other degrees and some people who never got a degree. I've known people get into computing by learning java and doing the certs.

Personally, I don't want people with CS degrees. OK, there's nothing wrong with a CS degree, but I've met people with CS degrees who can't write code well or functionally decompose a problem. I'd much rather interview people who have a body of work they can show me, whether it's an Android app or an HTML5 game, or a bit of open source they've worked on. I don't even care if you haven't used the same platform or langugage. You've shown you can built and have some determination.
 
2013-10-07 10:23:57 AM  

Nemo's Brother: Honestly, the Department of Education ruined education in this country long before North Carolina could spit on its grave.


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North Carolina before the Department of Education

 
2013-10-07 10:26:36 AM  

farkeruk: Personally, I don't want people with CS degrees. OK, there's nothing wrong with a CS degree, but I've met people with CS degrees who can't write code well or functionally decompose a problem. I'd much rather interview people who have a body of work they can show me, whether it's an Android app or an HTML5 game, or a bit of open source they've worked on. I don't even care if you haven't used the same platform or langugage. You've shown you can built and have some determination.


No kidding!  I've hired people who scored a 100% on a programming test, and could answer every obscure programming question I could think of, and then couldn't actually solve any problems in the real world.  Memorizing concepts in a textbook is completely different from coming up with innovative solutions to problems where the answer is not readably available in a textbook.
 
2013-10-07 10:37:27 AM  

farkeruk: Pumpernickel bread: Appears to be another article about technology displacing several low-skilled jobs with a few high skilled ones.  Last I checked, most software engineers had a bachelors degree in CS.  Public K-12 can't give you that.

And this really is a problem and increases the divide between the wealthy and poor.  How many unemployed and disaffected poor do we have to have before we get a repeat of the French Revolution right here in the U.S.  I am guessing nothing will be done before heads start appearing on the ends of sticks.

Actually, I doubt that most software engineers have bachelors degrees in CS. Last 4 places I worked didn't. You get a mix of CS degrees, other degrees and some people who never got a degree. I've known people get into computing by learning java and doing the certs.

Personally, I don't want people with CS degrees. OK, there's nothing wrong with a CS degree, but I've met people with CS degrees who can't write code well or functionally decompose a problem. I'd much rather interview people who have a body of work they can show me, whether it's an Android app or an HTML5 game, or a bit of open source they've worked on. I don't even care if you haven't used the same platform or langugage. You've shown you can built and have some determination.


Yes this.  A CS degree (I have one) is worth about 2 years of actual work if I'm interviewing you.
I'm not too keen on people who "learn java and do the certs".  Every certification I've seen has been a stinking pile of shiat that shows the guy knows how to memorize trivia.  Talk to me about something you've built, talk to me about some basic data structures and design patterns, and write some coherent pseudocode on the whiteboard and we're good to go.  I really don't care if you know the difference between System.Timers.Timer and System.Threading.Timer offhand.
 
2013-10-07 10:40:19 AM  
My father WAS the high tech worker they CLAIM they are looking for. For decades my dad was the ONLY guy assembling high tech aviation gauges for all of the major manufacturers. He worked in his factory for over forty years and gave me a very good life. Now all of the jobs my dad and his friends USED to do are performed in Asia and his factory is a vacant warehouse.

   The aviation industry wants drones that they can pay slave labor wages to. They don't want union shops like my dad was part of. They spent the last thirty years destroying the very type of job they now claim they are looking for. Too late losers! You brought this on yourselves!
 
2013-10-07 10:52:10 AM  

gblive: These aviation education program hosted by TIMCO and other companies in our state have been in existence for over two decades. They are not new. Most of the programs are provided in alliance with our two year community colleges. North Carolina (for those who do not know it) has one of the strongest state two year community college programs in the U.S.  Similarly we have one of the strongest (and most affordable) four year oublic university programs in the U.S. - UNC Chapel Hill, NC State, East Carolina, App State, Western, etc.   UNC Chapel Hill has been ranked number 1 as the top value in public education for over 10 years in a row.

Maybe the subby needs to re-think their misinformed headlines.


We had one of the strongest university systems.  Over the last three years everyone has seen their budgets gutted thanks to the wisdom of the General Assembly.  The university system as well as the community college system are being asked to do more with more students than ever, at a time when they've had their budgets continually cut back.  Hell, every community college around here has had to eliminate most of their vocational programs - the things that yield the most bang for the buck in the unemployment rate.
 
2013-10-07 10:53:40 AM  

czei: farkeruk: Personally, I don't want people with CS degrees. OK, there's nothing wrong with a CS degree, but I've met people with CS degrees who can't write code well or functionally decompose a problem. I'd much rather interview people who have a body of work they can show me, whether it's an Android app or an HTML5 game, or a bit of open source they've worked on. I don't even care if you haven't used the same platform or langugage. You've shown you can built and have some determination.

No kidding!  I've hired people who scored a 100% on a programming test, and could answer every obscure programming question I could think of, and then couldn't actually solve any problems in the real world.  Memorizing concepts in a textbook is completely different from coming up with innovative solutions to problems where the answer is not readably available in a textbook.



just sayin
trying to go by comprehension
rather than memorization, will get you flunked in school
 
2013-10-07 12:15:11 PM  

serial_crusher: I really don't care if you know the difference between System.Timers.Timer and System.Threading.Timer offhand.


Oh, that shiat really bugs me. I had people ask me about .net classes in interviews and immediately I've said "give me a PC, I'll Google the answer". They refused, so I told them that I'd rather not waste any more of my time and left. I know that working for people like that means working for jerks who get waaaay too concerned about performance and syntax.
 
2013-10-07 12:21:18 PM  
My young cousin is a total tomboy and elected to go to the regional vocational tech school instead of the regular high school.  Proud of her that she has to balls to try learning a trade instead of barely graduating high school and going to beauty school like my worthless other young cousin.  And if it doesn't work out for her, she'll still have a regular high school degree if she decides to go to college instead.  We need more kids these days to take a chance on the trades instead of forcing them into higher education when it just doesn't fit their skills.
 
2013-10-07 01:24:32 PM  

lordaction: I wonder why liberals can never


What liberals?  There is no viable liberal movement in this country.  Like "feminazis" you're only frightening yourself and other weak minded individuals.
 
2013-10-07 01:29:39 PM  

2wolves: lordaction: I wonder why liberals can never

What liberals?  There is no viable liberal movement in this country.  Like "feminazis" you're only frightening yourself and other weak minded individuals.


A Liberal is currently defined as "any person or entity which is not a Tea Party Republican".
 
2013-10-07 01:39:09 PM  

2wolves: lordaction: I wonder why liberals can never

What liberals?  There is no viable liberal movement in this country.  Like "feminazis" you're only frightening yourself and other weak minded individuals.


You are correct, I should have used the term socialist or marxist.  I can always identify them as, like yourself, they have to use personal insults to debate as the facts are not on their side.  What do you expect from a feminine doctrine of politics where emotions trump reason?
 
2013-10-07 01:42:26 PM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: 2wolves: lordaction: I wonder why liberals can never

What liberals?  There is no viable liberal movement in this country.  Like "feminazis" you're only frightening yourself and other weak minded individuals.

A Liberal is currently defined as "any person or entity which is not a Tea Party Republican".


Yes, because there is two political parties in the US, right?  I always find it amusing that when I debate a Republican they almost always never assume I am a Democrat and debate me using facts at hand.  When I debate a Democrat they automatically assume I am a Republican and debate using personal attacks.  Even though I despise both parties, Democrats are truly the most dangerous as their actions prove them to be childlike in their thinking and actions.
 
2013-10-07 01:53:06 PM  

lordaction: It really is a shame that we have all of these people that grow up in a single mother homes and therefor look to the government to be their father and take care of them.


How's that abstinence-only edumakashun working out for you?

/Ban birth control and abortion and defund Planned Parenthood FTL.
 
2013-10-07 02:16:02 PM  

lordaction: Pants full of macaroni!!: 2wolves: lordaction: I wonder why liberals can never

What liberals?  There is no viable liberal movement in this country.  Like "feminazis" you're only frightening yourself and other weak minded individuals.

A Liberal is currently defined as "any person or entity which is not a Tea Party Republican".

Yes, because there is two political parties in the US, right?  I always find it amusing that when I debate a Republican they almost always never assume I am a Democrat and debate me using facts at hand.  When I debate a Democrat they automatically assume I am a Republican and debate using personal attacks.  Even though I despise both parties, Democrats are truly the most dangerous as their actions prove them to be childlike in their thinking and actions.


You aren't using facts, just some extremely broad generalizations. For example:

 More proof that the private sector does it better then the government.  It really is a shame that we have all of these people that grow up in a single mother homes and therefor look to the government to be their father and take care of them.  If we could just get these people good mental help we would remove the liberal threat to our liberty  in a single generation.

Show me a fact in that paragraph. Do you have any actual data that shows the number of adults raised by single mothers and that shows a correlation between being raised by a single mother and voting preferences? 

I'm guessing you're just a troll (I just found out yesterday that someone I used to go to high school with was trolling here as Sunny Day/mindbuzz. He outed himself to me on FB.) In that case, kudos, you got lots of bites. If you are actually sincere, then you are not nearly as clever as you think you are.
 
2013-10-07 02:19:03 PM  

2wolves: lordaction: I wonder why liberals can never

What liberals?  There is no viable liberal movement in this country.  Like "feminazis" you're only frightening yourself and other weak minded individuals.


http://www.democracycorps.com/attachments/article/954/dcor%20rpp%20f g% 20memo%20100313%20final.pdf - Inside the GOP.

Keep in mind that half the Republican party thinks Fox News is in the middle and is a news organization.  By European standards, yeah, we're stupidly conservative, but by USA standards, well, slightly less than half the country voted for Romney.  Everything is relative and the Democrats are liberal by American standards.
 
2013-10-07 02:20:17 PM  

BorgiaGinz: lordaction: Pants full of macaroni!!: 2wolves: lordaction: I wonder why liberals can never

What liberals?  There is no viable liberal movement in this country.  Like "feminazis" you're only frightening yourself and other weak minded individuals.

A Liberal is currently defined as "any person or entity which is not a Tea Party Republican".

Yes, because there is two political parties in the US, right?  I always find it amusing that when I debate a Republican they almost always never assume I am a Democrat and debate me using facts at hand.  When I debate a Democrat they automatically assume I am a Republican and debate using personal attacks.  Even though I despise both parties, Democrats are truly the most dangerous as their actions prove them to be childlike in their thinking and actions.

You aren't using facts, just some extremely broad generalizations. For example:

 More proof that the private sector does it better then the government.  It really is a shame that we have all of these people that grow up in a single mother homes and therefor look to the government to be their father and take care of them.  If we could just get these people good mental help we would remove the liberal threat to our liberty  in a single generation.

Show me a fact in that paragraph. Do you have any actual data that shows the number of adults raised by single mothers and that shows a correlation between being raised by a single mother and voting preferences? 

I'm guessing you're just a troll (I just found out yesterday that someone I used to go to high school with was trolling here as Sunny Day/mindbuzz. He outed himself to me on FB.) In that case, kudos, you got lots of bites. If you are actually sincere, then you are not nearly as clever as you think you are.


I love to educate the liberals.  Thank you for giving me the opportunity as most of y'all aren't open to learning the facts.

Here are tons of links to prove that what I say is fact.  I can post as many as you like.

http://www.examiner.com/article/how-the-single-mother-factor-was-res po nsible-for-obama-s-win-1

http://townhall.com/columnists/anncoulter/2012/07/18/democrats_ideal _v oter_illegal_alien_single_mother_convicted_felon/page/full

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/nov/09/single-women-voted-favo ur -obama

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/put-ring-obama-wins-women-married - types/story?id=16057761">http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/put-ring -obama-wins-women-married- types/story?id=16057761
 
2013-10-07 02:26:56 PM  

Lee Jackson Beauregard: lordaction: It really is a shame that we have all of these people that grow up in a single mother homes and therefor look to the government to be their father and take care of them.

How's that abstinence-only edumakashun working out for you?

/Ban birth control and abortion and defund Planned Parenthood FTL.


As usual, another liberal who can't debate with facts and uses personal attacks.  It just amazes me that liberals actually believe calling someone a name means they have a superior argument - the only other segment of the population who argues that way are school children.

Also, at what point did I say I was for banning birth control?  My political views don't include banning things other then the death penalty.  I find it highly amusing that a liberal makes jokes about banning things when your party platform is banning Coca-Cola if it comes in too big of a cup.  As far as Planned Parenthood - it was founded by an avowed racist who stated that the organizations main goal was to eliminate the black population by terminating black women's pregnancies.  If you look at the abortions done by PP you will clearly see that they clearly target the black populace.

Want to keep going or do you want to keep calling names since you have no facts?
 
2013-10-07 02:50:57 PM  

lordaction: BorgiaGinz: lordaction: Pants full of macaroni!!: 2wolves: lordaction: I wonder why liberals can never

What liberals?  There is no viable liberal movement in this country.  Like "feminazis" you're only frightening yourself and other weak minded individuals.

A Liberal is currently defined as "any person or entity which is not a Tea Party Republican".

Yes, because there is two political parties in the US, right?  I always find it amusing that when I debate a Republican they almost always never assume I am a Democrat and debate me using facts at hand.  When I debate a Democrat they automatically assume I am a Republican and debate using personal attacks.  Even though I despise both parties, Democrats are truly the most dangerous as their actions prove them to be childlike in their thinking and actions.

You aren't using facts, just some extremely broad generalizations. For example:

 More proof that the private sector does it better then the government.  It really is a shame that we have all of these people that grow up in a single mother homes and therefor look to the government to be their father and take care of them.  If we could just get these people good mental help we would remove the liberal threat to our liberty  in a single generation.

Show me a fact in that paragraph. Do you have any actual data that shows the number of adults raised by single mothers and that shows a correlation between being raised by a single mother and voting preferences? 

I'm guessing you're just a troll (I just found out yesterday that someone I used to go to high school with was trolling here as Sunny Day/mindbuzz. He outed himself to me on FB.) In that case, kudos, you got lots of bites. If you are actually sincere, then you are not nearly as clever as you think you are.

I love to educate the liberals.  Thank you for giving me the opportunity as most of y'all aren't open to learning the facts.

Here are tons of links to prove that what I say is fact.  I can post as many as you ...


You posted a Townhall link with no cited facts whatsoever, and 3 random links showing that single women do not like Mitt Romney enough to vote for him over Barack Obama.

Maybe you should look up how to do this whole "citation" thing.
 
2013-10-07 03:18:48 PM  

2wolves: lordaction: I wonder why liberals can never

What liberals?  There is no viable liberal movement in this country.  Like "feminazis" you're only frightening yourself and other weak minded individuals.


Well, if Glen Beck and that Malkin biatch say it, it must be true and very "Murican!"

I bet lordinaction also hates the NPS because.
 
2013-10-07 03:24:09 PM  

lordaction: Lee Jackson Beauregard: lordaction: It really is a shame that we have all of these people that grow up in a single mother homes and therefor look to the government to be their father and take care of them.

How's that abstinence-only edumakashun working out for you?

/Ban birth control and abortion and defund Planned Parenthood FTL.

As usual, another liberal who can't debate with facts and uses personal attacks.


Fact:  abstinence only edumakashun doesn't work.

  It just amazes me that liberals actually believe calling someone a name means they have a superior argument

Where did I call you a name?

Also, at what point did I say I was for banning birth control?  My political views don't include banning things other then the death penalty.  I find it highly amusing that a liberal makes jokes about banning things when your party platform is banning Coca-Cola if it comes in too big of a cup.

Citation needed.  Difficulty:  Bloomberg isn't a Democrat and hasn't been since 2001.

As far as Planned Parenthood - it was founded by an avowed racist who stated that the organizations main goal was to eliminate the black population by terminating black women's pregnancies.

Citation needed.  Difficulty:  Sanger was on good terms with the NAACP.

If you look at the abortions done by PP you will clearly see that they clearly target the black populace.

Citation needed.  Difficulty:  none needed, as you're clearly full of crap.

Want to keep going or do you want to keep calling names since you have no facts?

Sure.  Here I'll call you some names:

LIAR, LIAR, PANTS ON FIRE.
 
2013-10-07 03:27:21 PM  

Lee Jackson Beauregard: lordaction: [...]


Well, farking never mind.  I just read your profile.  Begone, foul troll.

*favorited!*
 
2013-10-07 03:58:06 PM  

lordaction: 2wolves: lordaction: I wonder why liberals can never

What liberals?  There is no viable liberal movement in this country.  Like "feminazis" you're only frightening yourself and other weak minded individuals.

You are correct, I should have used the term socialist or marxist.  I can always identify them as, like yourself, they have to use personal insults to debate as the facts are not on their side.  What do you expect from a feminine doctrine of politics where emotions trump reason?


You have no facts so I'll assume you capitulate.  As for socialism... how do you believe the DoD is funded?

Keep trying, you're edging up on humorous.
 
2013-10-07 06:07:30 PM  
Maybe if states and municipalities had more control over their schools then this wouldn't happen. The local leaders would see that Aviation is demanding workers locally and might direct public funding to trade schools and science programs to prepare students to work there.

Further proof you cant make local decisions at a national level.  The country is too big.
 
2013-10-07 07:52:57 PM  

o5iiawah: Maybe if states and municipalities had more control over their schools then this wouldn't happen. Herpety doo-dah, derpety ayy....


The pants-on-head decisions being made for North Carolina schools aren't coming from Washington.
 
2013-10-07 08:34:47 PM  

Slives: This country badly needs the return of trade schools.


Nah.  We need the next generation of the work force to understand the importance of learning a trade.

...or they can get that business degree or arts degree and shell out $100/hr to the technician who has to come out and solve their problems since they can calculate earnings and critique paintings but are clueless when their product goes kaput.
 
2013-10-07 08:48:48 PM  

o5iiawah: Maybe if states and municipalities had more control over their schools then this wouldn't happen. The local leaders would see that Aviation is demanding workers locally and might direct public funding to trade schools and science programs to prepare students to work there.

Further proof you cant make local decisions at a national level.  The country is too big.


Education is funded like 90% by state and local dollars, and the local Boards of Educations determine what is taught. 4% of federal spending is on education, including Head Start and school lunch programs.

Local school districts have plenty of say over what their schools teach.
 
2013-10-07 10:39:33 PM  

lordaction: BorgiaGinz: lordaction: Pants full of macaroni!!: 2wolves: lordaction: I wonder why liberals can never

What liberals?  There is no viable liberal movement in this country.  Like "feminazis" you're only frightening yourself and other weak minded individuals.

A Liberal is currently defined as "any person or entity which is not a Tea Party Republican".

Yes, because there is two political parties in the US, right?  I always find it amusing that when I debate a Republican they almost always never assume I am a Democrat and debate me using facts at hand.  When I debate a Democrat they automatically assume I am a Republican and debate using personal attacks.  Even though I despise both parties, Democrats are truly the most dangerous as their actions prove them to be childlike in their thinking and actions.

You aren't using facts, just some extremely broad generalizations. For example:

 More proof that the private sector does it better then the government.  It really is a shame that we have all of these people that grow up in a single mother homes and therefor look to the government to be their father and take care of them.  If we could just get these people good mental help we would remove the liberal threat to our liberty  in a single generation.

Show me a fact in that paragraph. Do you have any actual data that shows the number of adults raised by single mothers and that shows a correlation between being raised by a single mother and voting preferences? 

I'm guessing you're just a troll (I just found out yesterday that someone I used to go to high school with was trolling here as Sunny Day/mindbuzz. He outed himself to me on FB.) In that case, kudos, you got lots of bites. If you are actually sincere, then you are not nearly as clever as you think you are.

I love to educate the liberals.  Thank you for giving me the opportunity as most of y'all aren't open to learning the facts.

Here are tons of links to prove that what I say is fact.  I can post as many as you ...


all that proves is single women, including moms, voted for Obama.

says nothing about their kids' voting preferences.
 
2013-10-07 11:08:46 PM  

Slives: This country badly needs the return of trade schools.


No.

This country needs the return of "fire in the belly" style management. When I can make more money painting farking houses (a skill which I have tens of hours of experience at) than I can welding (mig, tig, stick, oxyfuel, on steel, stainless, cast iron, copper, bronze, aluminum, inconel, hastelloy, stellite, monel, brass, pot metal (ok, so the last 6 I only did with tig, and yes, I have used a stick on aluminum, it sucks monkey cock but I couldn't reduce the cavitation in the impeller any other way)), there's something farking WRONG with management culture.

Just because the last guy you hired was an idiot and makes $12/hr and produces 5 widgets a day doesn't mean you should pay me $12/hr to make 15 widgets a day.
 
2013-10-08 12:03:51 AM  

jayhawk88: They've been doing this kind of thing in Wichita for years as well. Boeing (Spirit) or Cessna or whomever will hold night classes to try and teach some of the shop guys/people off the street Catia or whatever else the engineers use. Apparently it's Keystone Kops-level comedy in these classes if you know anything about computers and/or modeling software.


I wasn't aware Spirit did this, but very well know Cessna did. And its pretty damn laughable at best. I mean, what else did they think we going to come out of a school placed in the middle of the ghetto?
 
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