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(Japan Daily Press)   Japanese Supreme Court would like all exhausted overworked employees to know that your employer will not face criminal actions for literally working you to death. So get back to work you lazy bakayarō   (japandailypress.com) divider line 39
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2013-10-07 08:48:39 AM
So much for the Japanese economic miracle. How soon before Germany admits its up shiat creek too?
 
2013-10-07 08:52:29 AM
Why would they be liable? You are free to leave at any time. If you don't leave because of what you perceive to be peer pressure, that's on you.
 
2013-10-07 08:54:39 AM
But...but...JIT?!?!?!?!?
 
2013-10-07 08:55:11 AM
The hot chick's husband currently works 54-60 hours a week at Lowe's or Home Depot. He's a manager so he gets no overtime. I'm waiting for him to keel over cause she'd look awesome in a black mourning dress. maybe some pearls and black heels. Are fishnets appropriate for mourning? They should be.
 
2013-10-07 08:55:46 AM
Japanese workers, how about next time you're asked to do so much work that it will literally kill you, you say "no" instead of laughing nervously and saying "it will be a challenge"?
 
2013-10-07 08:56:59 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Why would they be liable? You are free to leave at any time. If you don't leave because of what you perceive to be peer pressure, that's on you.


Not really. Their culture isn't like ours. Usually you go to school, then to a university, then get hired on a company you work for for the rest of your life. If you want to quit it is seen as a failure and shameful to the point lots of people commit suicide is they are unhappy with their jobs. Also, a 70 to 80 hour work week isn't unusual.
 
2013-10-07 09:00:50 AM

hailin: Also, a 70 to 80 hour work week isn't unusual.


But think of how productive those beavers are!
We're heading that direction here in the states, too.

What? Don't want to work hard to succeed at the American dream?
You can just quit because there are people in line for the chance.

It's a labor camp mentality.
 
2013-10-07 09:03:02 AM
Why work 70-80 hours a week when you can simply get a part time job and live like a king on welfare and SNAP? The Japanese sure have a lot to learn from the US.
 
2013-10-07 09:04:16 AM
That's fukushimed up.

But a loyal employee should be thankful for work, and death while working is honorable. I believe according to customs that to speak out against a revered job creator merits death by seven samurai, which is a far more dishonorable death. I'm no expert on Japanese culture, but I'm pretty sure I'm right about this.
 
2013-10-07 09:10:00 AM
A fairer thing to say is that they are AT work for 70-80 hours a week. Take out smoke breaks and it drops to 35 hours.
 
2013-10-07 09:29:24 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Why would they be liable? You are free to leave at any time. If you don't leave because of what you perceive to be peer pressure, that's on you.


Culturally, the Japanese are all about belonging to groups and identifing as a member of a group.  Peer pressure is incredible, and nonconformity is heavily discouraged.

They go from school, to college, to work as being part of a group.  To deviate from the group, to leave the group is unthinkable.

Remember back in the 80's when we'd hear about those hardworking Japanese businessmen that were going to eat us alive economically?  This is the downside to that, they get that productivity by working their workers to death and expecting absolute and total conformity from all employees.

dilbert.com
 
2013-10-07 09:33:16 AM

rabidarmadillo24: Why work 70-80 hours a week when you can simply get a part time job and live like a trailer park king on welfare and SNAP? The Japanese sure have a lot to learn from the US.



Kings you say?
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2013-10-07 09:35:26 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: hailin: Also, a 70 to 80 hour work week isn't unusual.

But think of how productive those beavers are!
We're heading that direction here in the states, too.

What? Don't want to work hard to succeed at the American dream?
You can just quit because there are people in line for the chance.

It's a labor camp mentality.


Hell Im canadian and I put in 12 hour days 7 days a week for all but 4 days a month.

these types of workloads should be illegal simply due to safety concernes.

For that matter do you even want to be sharing roads with people running on empty. Using power tools or heavy equipment with someone who is to tired to think properly.

as is usual nobody will give a damn until some bodies start to pile up.

I mean if the jobs are that important that they need people to work that hard then I geuss it's ok. But the companies doing this to people should be responsible for any and all medical expenses for both the worker, and any member of the public who is harmed in the process.
 
2013-10-07 09:37:32 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: It's a labor camp mentality.


Be happy in your work.

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2013-10-07 09:38:21 AM
apolyton.net

My gift to industry is the genetically engineered worker, or Genejack. Specially designed for labor, the Genejack's muscles and nerves are ideal for his task, and the cerebral cortex has been atrophied so that he can desire nothing except to perform his duties. Tyranny, you say? How can you tyrannize someone who cannot feel pain?
Chairman Sheng-ji Yang, "Essays on Mind and Matter"
 
2013-10-07 09:42:06 AM

rabidarmadillo24: Why work 70-80 hours a week when you can simply get a part time job and live like a king on welfare and SNAP? The Japanese sure have a lot to learn from the US.


I've been long advocating that the poor be in camps and forced to work at least 60hrs a week or whenever they are not bleeding, whichever is more. It's about time the poor carry their weight and stop mooching off the rich.
 
2013-10-07 09:46:02 AM
Unfortunately, this mentality goes hand-in-hand with what caused the Fukashima disaster, which is now going to fark over everyone living near the Pacific Ocean with cancer. As soon as your culture starts to have negative external effects, it is perfectly open to being criticized and condemned.
 
2013-10-07 09:50:56 AM
my sister's ex is japanese and he's basically just had a nervous breakdown because he's realised how flawed his approach to life and treating his colleagues and employees has been. not quite sure how it's going to turn out as he's surrounded by people who are like he used to be
 
2013-10-07 09:52:44 AM

Rude Turnip: Unfortunately, this mentality goes hand-in-hand with what caused the Fukashima disaster,


You mean this mentality is a giant tsunami?

which is now going to fark over everyone living near the Pacific Ocean with cancer. As soon as your culture starts to have negative external effects, it is perfectly open to being criticized and condemned.


Oh you're a whiney eco-loon looking to make this thread into an ant-nuclear-power platform.
 
2013-10-07 10:05:05 AM
Totally pro-nuclear. I'm referring to their deference culture that resulted in so many problems getting hidden and swept under the rug in the name of saving face.
 
2013-10-07 10:08:15 AM
If we would all just let corporations fark us over a little bit harder and a little bit faster for a few more decades, they could afford to bring back all the jobs that they shipped overseas in the 1990s. But that will never happen because you guys aren't willing to sacrifice the way the 1% have sacrificed.
 
2013-10-07 10:11:57 AM

Burr: [apolyton.net image 149x178]

My gift to industry is the genetically engineered worker, or Genejack. Specially designed for labor, the Genejack's muscles and nerves are ideal for his task, and the cerebral cortex has been atrophied so that he can desire nothing except to perform his duties. Tyranny, you say? How can you tyrannize someone who cannot feel pain?
Chairman Sheng-ji Yang, "Essays on Mind and Matter"


I am increasingly convinced that there is a relevant Alpha Centauri tech quote for every subject.
 
2013-10-07 10:25:52 AM

Fano: A fairer thing to say is that they are AT work for 70-80 hours a week. Take out smoke breaks and it drops to 35 hours.


Having briefly worked in a few places in asia, I found Japan to be the most odd.  In my very limited experience, I've noted some strange trends;

- Always arrive before, and leave after your boss.  Attempt to leave at the same time as your co-workers.  Failure to do so is a 'Career Limiting Move' - a CLM
- Cleaning up your desk is a signal to co-workers that you're ready to leave for the day.
- Only do real work between 10am and noon.  After noon, do make-work.  For example, instead of adding up a set of numbers using a calculator or computer, do it on paper.  Instead of editing a proposal, retype the entire thing.  The important thing is to look authentically busy without producing much real output.  Being done with work is a CLM.
- Wait until 8-9pm or so, and then go to the bars in gender-specific groups. Every frickin' night.  Even if you don't want to.  Not going to bars is a CLM.  Less so for women, though.
- Do not excel.  Do not make other people look less capable than you.  Bring yourself down to their level. Not doing so is a CLM.
- Pretend that you are in a jr. high dance; women and men do not mix, and when they do, everyone watches the surprising, odd sight.
- Buying paper bags of grilled squid and eating them at your desk and stinking up the office was totally okay.

I wrote code, and was prolific, so I could finish the assignments very quickly - this is okay, since I was an outsider.  They could reap the benefits of early completion, and yet no one felt put out.  On the other hand, I learned to leave my desk messy and take off early, so I wouldn't get invited to go out drinking.  I mean, once or twice a week fine, but not every day!  On the other hand, when I wanted to work late, everyone wanted to wait for me to finish.

I think I got lucky because many of my co-workers were somewhat young and Americanized to some extent, but it was still an obviously different work dynamic.  Personally, I found Taiwan to be more familiar, though I still have problems getting used to sleeping in the cafeteria or at my desk.
 
2013-10-07 10:27:18 AM

Burr: [apolyton.net image 149x178]

My gift to industry is the genetically engineered worker, or Genejack. Specially designed for labor, the Genejack's muscles and nerves are ideal for his task, and the cerebral cortex has been atrophied so that he can desire nothing except to perform his duties. Tyranny, you say? How can you tyrannize someone who cannot feel pain?
Chairman Sheng-ji Yang, "Essays on Mind and Matter"


Human behavior is economic behavior. The particulars may vary but competition for limited resources remains a constant. Need as well as greed has followed us to the stars and the rewards of wealth still await those wise enough to recognize this deep thrumming of our common pulse.
- CEO Nwabudike Morgan, "The Centauri Monopoly" , Accompanies the Secret Project "The Merchant Exchange"
 
2013-10-07 10:50:40 AM

TruBluTroll: I am increasingly convinced that there is a relevant Alpha Centauri tech quote for every subject.


I swear the development team are time travelers from the future or something. They nailed a lot of future tech.  I just wish they would get to synthetic fossil fuels faster then they do nerve stapling.
 
2013-10-07 10:57:38 AM

quietwalker: Fano: A fairer thing to say is that they are AT work for 70-80 hours a week. Take out smoke breaks and it drops to 35 hours.

Having briefly worked in a few places in asia, I found Japan to be the most odd.  In my very limited experience, I've noted some strange trends;

- Always arrive before, and leave after your boss.  Attempt to leave at the same time as your co-workers.  Failure to do so is a 'Career Limiting Move' - a CLM
- Cleaning up your desk is a signal to co-workers that you're ready to leave for the day.
- Only do real work between 10am and noon.  After noon, do make-work.  For example, instead of adding up a set of numbers using a calculator or computer, do it on paper.  Instead of editing a proposal, retype the entire thing.  The important thing is to look authentically busy without producing much real output.  Being done with work is a CLM.
- Wait until 8-9pm or so, and then go to the bars in gender-specific groups. Every frickin' night.  Even if you don't want to.  Not going to bars is a CLM.  Less so for women, though.
- Do not excel.  Do not make other people look less capable than you.  Bring yourself down to their level. Not doing so is a CLM.
- Pretend that you are in a jr. high dance; women and men do not mix, and when they do, everyone watches the surprising, odd sight.
- Buying paper bags of grilled squid and eating them at your desk and stinking up the office was totally okay.

I wrote code, and was prolific, so I could finish the assignments very quickly - this is okay, since I was an outsider.  They could reap the benefits of early completion, and yet no one felt put out.  On the other hand, I learned to leave my desk messy and take off early, so I wouldn't get invited to go out drinking.  I mean, once or twice a week fine, but not every day!  On the other hand, when I wanted to work late, everyone wanted to wait for me to finish.

I think I got lucky because many of my co-workers were somewhat young and Americanized to some extent, but it was still an obviously different work dynamic.  Personally, I found Taiwan to be more familiar, though I still have problems getting used to sleeping in the cafeteria or at my desk.


This story sounds very similar to what I've ex-pats say about "japanese productivity." Thanks for the elaboration.
 
2013-10-07 11:29:28 AM

rabidarmadillo24: Why work 70-80 hours a week when you can simply get a part time job and live like a king on welfare and SNAP? The Japanese sure have a lot to learn from the US.


mission2mingle.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-10-07 12:39:41 PM
Police Officers and Deputies, at least in New Mexico, work 168  hours a week, 52 weeks a year, according to Workman's Compensation decisions.  They are never ever off the job.

Beat that, Japan!
 
2013-10-07 01:17:24 PM
www.adventure-journal.com
 
2013-10-07 02:08:15 PM

Silverstaff: Remember back in the 80's when we'd hear about those hardworking Japanese businessmen that were going to eat us alive economically?


Yes, the foreign competition boogie man to justify the anti-worker rat race policies. Same thing they are doing today. "We absolutely have to let in more foreign skilled workers. Even as we speak other countries are getting all the top talent and we aren't going to be able to compete!"
 
2013-10-07 02:26:31 PM

DrewCurtisJr: Silverstaff: Remember back in the 80's when we'd hear about those hardworking Japanese businessmen that were going to eat us alive economically?

Yes, the foreign competition boogie man to justify the anti-worker rat race policies. Same thing they are doing today. "We absolutely have to let in more foreign skilled workers. Even as we speak other countries are getting all the top talent and we aren't going to be able to compete!"


And that also works for outsourcing! Lose your job to another country? Maybe you should have worked harder and not demanded minimum wage!
 
2013-10-07 03:04:02 PM
 The current American supreme court cannot wait for the opportunity to vote on this one.
 
2013-10-07 03:04:35 PM
Kazihiro: [Hunt has been offered a job by his Japanese bosses] Can we count on you?
Hunt Stevenson: Fellas... is a frog's ass watertight?
Kazihiro: [he discusses it with his colleagues in Japanese] Yes. We believe it is.
 
db2
2013-10-07 03:12:26 PM
じゃあ、仕様がない。おつかれさまでした!
 
2013-10-07 03:43:27 PM

quietwalker: Fano: A fairer thing to say is that they are AT work for 70-80 hours a week. Take out smoke breaks and it drops to 35 hours.

Having briefly worked in a few places in asia, I found Japan to be the most odd.  In my very limited experience, I've noted some strange trends;

*snip*


Winner winner, chicken dinner. I've worked in several Japanese offices, as well as trained groups of their professionals for U.S. business life (they had to go over to work on contract stuff). They're AT work all day and night, but rarely DOING work. They simply refused to believe that their habits were going to get them in trouble in western offices; I mean, how could staying late be bad? Americans are super lazy; they couldn't possibly have problems with the J-work ethic!  Oh, boy, then there's the drinking thing...

They figured it out after management pulled them aside a few times, but the transitions were rough.

I've got a buddy who's work background is similar to mine, but the Japanese were going to Germany. Similar stories, with more "dealing with women in the workplace" problems to solve. Oofda!    :-P
 
2013-10-07 03:58:12 PM

Fano: quietwalker: Fano: A fairer thing to say is that they are AT work for 70-80 hours a week. Take out smoke breaks and it drops to 35 hours.

Having briefly worked in a few places in asia, I found Japan to be the most odd.  In my very limited experience, I've noted some strange trends;

- Always arrive before, and leave after your boss.  Attempt to leave at the same time as your co-workers.  Failure to do so is a 'Career Limiting Move' - a CLM
- Cleaning up your desk is a signal to co-workers that you're ready to leave for the day.
- Only do real work between 10am and noon.  After noon, do make-work.  For example, instead of adding up a set of numbers using a calculator or computer, do it on paper.  Instead of editing a proposal, retype the entire thing.  The important thing is to look authentically busy without producing much real output.  Being done with work is a CLM.
- Wait until 8-9pm or so, and then go to the bars in gender-specific groups. Every frickin' night.  Even if you don't want to.  Not going to bars is a CLM.  Less so for women, though.
- Do not excel.  Do not make other people look less capable than you.  Bring yourself down to their level. Not doing so is a CLM.
- Pretend that you are in a jr. high dance; women and men do not mix, and when they do, everyone watches the surprising, odd sight.
- Buying paper bags of grilled squid and eating them at your desk and stinking up the office was totally okay.

I wrote code, and was prolific, so I could finish the assignments very quickly - this is okay, since I was an outsider.  They could reap the benefits of early completion, and yet no one felt put out.  On the other hand, I learned to leave my desk messy and take off early, so I wouldn't get invited to go out drinking.  I mean, once or twice a week fine, but not every day!  On the other hand, when I wanted to work late, everyone wanted to wait for me to finish.

I think I got lucky because many of my co-workers were somewhat young and Americanized to some e ...


I was going to my CSB but Fano and quietwalker pretty much covered it.  They may be at the office that long but in terms of productivity American workers have them covered.
 
2013-10-07 04:46:11 PM

Harry Freakstorm: The hot chick's husband currently works 54-60 hours a week at Lowe's or Home Depot. He's a manager so he gets no overtime. I'm waiting for him to keel over cause she'd look awesome in a black mourning dress. maybe some pearls and black heels. Are fishnets appropriate for mourning? They should be.


You;re a sick man.

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2013-10-07 08:54:25 PM

THE GREAT NAME: Rude Turnip: Unfortunately, this mentality goes hand-in-hand with what caused the Fukashima disaster,

You mean this mentality is a giant tsunami?

which is now going to fark over everyone living near the Pacific Ocean with cancer. As soon as your culture starts to have negative external effects, it is perfectly open to being criticized and condemned.

Oh you're a whiney eco-loon looking to make this thread into an ant-nuclear-power platform.


Says the guy who brought up "living like a king on welfare."

/plonk
 
2013-10-08 10:22:44 AM

relaxitsjustme: I was going to my CSB but Fano and quietwalker pretty much covered it. They may be at the office that long but in terms of productivity American workers have them covered.


/fourthed
 
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