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2013-10-07 10:15:11 AM
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Goddamn it! This is a raid! I can't see, you can't see! So what? All that matters is can the farkin' horse see! That's a raid!
 
2013-10-07 10:15:48 AM
174.132.29.32
 
2013-10-07 10:17:56 AM
The guy carring the garment bag kind of made me wonder how they keep their whites so white.  It's not like you can drop off your soiled robes at the dry cleaners.
 
2013-10-07 10:17:57 AM
FTA: The unassuming nature of the pictures has led to accusations that his work gives the Klan publicity, a claim he strongly refutes.

All but one of those photos did nothing but reenforce beliefs I already held about the KKK.

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And just a bit of advice for cousin Geech here before Suzzabelle and Lulu loose there eyesight (or what's left of their teeth) from a bad ricochet (or more likely a blind drunk accidental shooting). If you have roaches you might want to consider cleaning up that shiathole you call a house as a first step toward getting rid of them rather than breaking out a pellet gun.
 
2013-10-07 10:18:16 AM

Englebert Slaptyback: 'They live normal lives, some with stronger racial overtones than others. There is wealthy and poor, intelligent and unintelligent... just like anywhere else.'


Really? I didn't see any of these in TFA. The nicest least bad dwelling was still made of concrete blocks and treated lumber. All the rest were strongly indicative of lower economic class.


True but consider this, would wealthier people have allowed him to take pictures of themselves?  The type of people shown in the pictures would have appeared on Jerry Springer for the attention, the wealthier bunch, no.
 
2013-10-07 10:18:28 AM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: If you convince yourself the race you were born into is that damn special, you probably have nothing else in your life worth celebrating.


yeah pretty much. i actually feel a bit sorry for them. i imagine they're too stupid and ineffectual to really achieve anything
 
2013-10-07 10:18:35 AM

OldManDownDRoad: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 850x478]

I'll be darned - they DO take their robes to the dry-cleaner.

And I always thought that was just a joke.


crap...you beat me.
 
2013-10-07 10:22:38 AM
OldManDownDRoad:

The last cross-burning I saw was in the mid-60s in rural Craven County, NC, outside of Vanceboro. We were driving back from some family event in Greenville and the only road to the coast was a two-lane blacktop between New Bern and Greenville. It was out in a field and I was the only one awake in the car besides Dad, who was driving. Couldn't see anyone around it, just burning in the middle of a field. "Bunch of assholes" was his only comment.

Wow, that must have been a regular event back then.  My mom has the same story, but driving back to Greenville.  Coincidentally, I also had a racist Uncle Pete whose wife left him (my actual aunt by blood).  I don't know whether we should hang out or expect to see each other at a family reunion.
 
2013-10-07 10:25:07 AM

Tyrosine: All but one of those photos did nothing but reenforce beliefs I already held about the KKK.

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 850x449]

And just a bit of advice for cousin Geech here before Suzzabelle and Lulu loose there eyesight (or what's left of their teeth) from a bad ricochet (or more likely a blind drunk accidental shooting). If you have roaches you might want to consider cleaning up that shiathole you call a house as a first step toward getting rid of them rather than breaking out a pellet gun.


The spelling is just irony, right?
 
2013-10-07 10:25:47 AM
Does the geezer have a tattoo of a noose on his back?
 
2013-10-07 10:25:56 AM

Kraftwerk Orange: [174.132.29.32 image 458x360]


www.history.com

I can go like 20 on that sign, there has to be room in it for us to make money
 
2013-10-07 10:28:33 AM

blatz514: He must be a huge fan of Iron Maiden.  Check out the license plate!


Maybe if they cleaned that filthy house those marauding roaches would stay out.
Sheesh, in nearly all the pictures the surroundings are dirty and unkempt...yuck!
 
2013-10-07 10:29:22 AM

gnosis301: Does the geezer have a tattoo of a noose on his back?


Yes, but for the life of me, I don't understand why.
 
2013-10-07 10:29:44 AM
I figure at least a third of the people in those pictures are snitches for the FBI.
 
2013-10-07 10:30:56 AM

topcon: It's not all that astonishing, really.  I'm sure any number of poor Appalachian / southern houses and families look exactly the same, minus the KKK regalia.


Guess we better get used to that. America used to have a War on Poverty, now we're just eliminating the middle class and not in a good way.
 
2013-10-07 10:31:07 AM

OldManDownDRoad: Burr: My neighbors were alleged Klan members, I think the father was even the local grand dragon or wizard (that was the rumor).  I can't confirm this, my friend said he was visiting them (their daughter was in my grade) for some school group project and he saw all the symbols and robes in their basement, as well as a large Nazi flag.

My Uncle Pete was, we always thought, a Klansman. A real nasty piece of work, he almost got punched out by my Dad at a family funeral (!) after he made some wisecracks I didn't hear. After my Mom got Dad calmed down, Pete got into a tussle with her brother over some other crap he said. Mom had to stop inviting him to family events because he always told racist jokes and stories. All his kids ran away from home and his wife eventually left him. His gas station had three bathrooms - Men, Women, Colored. He's long dead and that gas station was torn down when Hwy-70 was four-laned south of Kinston in the early 70s. Sort of wish we had taken some photos of it since my kids don't believe it.


I also remember driving by a cross burning when I was younger, it was in the local (non-sanctioned)  youth baseball field not more then two miles from my house.

The last cross-burning I saw was in the mid-60s in rural Craven County, NC, outside of Vanceboro. We were driving back from some family event in Greenville and the only road to the coast was a two-lane blacktop between New Bern and Greenville. It was out in a field and I was the only one awake in the car besides Dad, who was driving. Couldn't see anyone around it, just burning in the middle of a field. "Bunch of assholes" was his only comment.


This is so surreal for me to read. The 1960's wasn't that long ago and it still blows my mind that stuff like that happened.
 
2013-10-07 10:32:54 AM

Sudlow: I figure at least a third of the people in those pictures are snitches for the FBI.


They don't even own a garage.  You can ask their wives.
 
2013-10-07 10:34:00 AM

Literally Addicted: Tyrosine: All but one of those photos did nothing but reenforce beliefs I already held about the KKK.

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 850x449]

And just a bit of advice for cousin Geech here before Suzzabelle and Lulu loose there eyesight (or what's left of their teeth) from a bad ricochet (or more likely a blind drunk accidental shooting). If you have roaches you might want to consider cleaning up that shiathole you call a house as a first step toward getting rid of them rather than breaking out a pellet gun.

The spelling is just irony, right?


No, it's posting on Fark while trying to appear that I'm paying attention during a meeting (while also taking minutes). Unlike most of the people in the photos I'm gainfully employed.
 
2013-10-07 10:34:08 AM

poodebunker: blatz514: He must be a huge fan of Iron Maiden.  Check out the license plate!

Maybe if they cleaned that filthy house those marauding roaches would stay out.
Sheesh, in nearly all the pictures the surroundings are dirty and unkempt...yuck!


Obviously, their women don't have time for regular housework.  Those hoods and patches all have to be custom made, and sewn. Plus, I can only imagine the time it takes to wash and iron them.  Blood stains don't come out all that easily.
 
2013-10-07 10:35:29 AM

cowsspinach: This is so surreal for me to read. The 1960's wasn't that long ago and it still blows my mind that stuff like that happened.


Dude, I'VE seen a clan rally and I'm in my 20's.  It still happens in the south pretty frequently.  Portland had a nazi problem in the 90's.  There are roving bands of skinheads in Long Beach to this day.  There was a church bombing in new york in the early 2000s that was racially motivated.  It shouldn't "blow your mind" it happened 50 years ago, it should be amazing people aren't still actively fighting this.
 
2013-10-07 10:36:46 AM

mike_d85: Yes, but for the life of me, I don't understand why.


Not sure if serious...
 
2013-10-07 10:36:48 AM
From the article:

'They live normal lives, some with stronger racial overtones than others. There is wealthy and poor, intelligent and unintelligent... just like anywhere else.'

      No there f*cking isn't.  ANYONE who hold beliefs of superiority based on ethnicity, social status, sexual orientation, etc. is demonstrating they make simple emotional decisions, not intelligent ones.

Perhaps the media could focus on people who are actually intelligent, folks who are making our society inclusive and a better place for all.

F*ck these hillbillies.
 
2013-10-07 10:36:49 AM

mike_d85: OldManDownDRoad:

The last cross-burning I saw was in the mid-60s in rural Craven County, NC, outside of Vanceboro. We were driving back from some family event in Greenville and the only road to the coast was a two-lane blacktop between New Bern and Greenville. It was out in a field and I was the only one awake in the car besides Dad, who was driving. Couldn't see anyone around it, just burning in the middle of a field. "Bunch of assholes" was his only comment.

Wow, that must have been a regular event back then.  My mom has the same story, but driving back to Greenville.  Coincidentally, I also had a racist Uncle Pete whose wife left him (my actual aunt by blood).  I don't know whether we should hang out or expect to see each other at a family reunion.


Wow, no shiate? My Uncle Pete was Pete Allen, originally from Farmville - but there are a ton of Allens in that area. I'm not sure how he was related to my mother, who was from Farmville as well. Her family moved to Greenville in the late 40s. We lived down on the coast and drove back and forth to Greenville all the time for family events on old Hwy 43, which used to run through the middle of nowhere. Yeah, that was cracker country back then. My brother was driving from ECU to Atlantic Beach one Saturday night in the mid-70s when he got stopped by a Vanceboro cop who just wanted to roust some long-hair. I had to drive from Chapel Hill in the middle of the night to throw his bail. Luckily the judge for that district was the famous Harry Whedbee, who took a dim view of redneck cops, so we didn't have to hire a lawyer to get the charges dropped and the money back.

The strange thing about rural eastern NC is that the people either tended to be really nice (my mother's family) or total rednecks, like Uncle Pete.

I don't miss Uncle Pete at all but I sure miss Aunt Dorothy's lemon squares at family meals . . .

/howdy, cuz
 
2013-10-07 10:37:57 AM

Lee451: Obviously it is better to light one cross than to curse the darkies.....


That got an out-loud "Ohhh geeeze!" from me. Well done!
 
2013-10-07 10:38:19 AM

Obama's Reptiloid Master: Mr. Right: Obama's Reptiloid Master: Coco LaFemme: I really wish we as a society would just ignore these shiat-for-brains defectives.  Don't take their pictures, don't interview them, don't acknowledge they exist.  They aren't worth the time it takes to move our eyeballs in their direction.

Well, law enforcement should. Because they engage in a lot of drug abuse and trafficking, gun smuggling, child abuse, spousal abuse, rape of all kinds, fraud, forgery, assault, organized crime, petty theft, grand larceny, extortion, welfare fraud, tax evasion, unauthorized practice of law, environmental code violations, incest, bigamy... oh yeah and ginning up racial hatred.

Since I am diametrically opposed to everything the Klan stands for, I'm not trying to White Knight them here but is there any evidence that they commit the crimes you've listed at any greater rate than the general population, given the areas in which they typically live?

Yes, at least as regards the organized crime/trafficking aspect. The various Klans are all security threat groups and often have multiple ex-con members. In this way they're no different than any other gang.

As compared to the population of gang members as a whole? No; gang member is gang member, no matter the affiliation.


I had never heard that before but I live in the North and I would make it a point not to associate with people who are Klan types so I wouldn't even hear rumors.  But if there is evidence of this, wouldn't some group like the FBI or the State Police be interested?  I'd think that engaging in criminal activity would give some law enforcement officers an opening to get at them and put them out of business.  Kind of like tax evasion got Capone.  And RICO would seem to be another opportunity.  Maybe if the various constabularies spent less time chasing their tails over legal or illegal pot they could get after criminals.
 
2013-10-07 10:38:45 AM

mike_d85: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 850x480]

And THAT, ladies and gents, is progress for women's equality in rural america.


I think I have problems with that on several levels.
Did she give him the shiner? That's a Klan Veil? That's real?
 
2013-10-07 10:39:40 AM
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This picture is screaming for a VATs HUD display.
 
2013-10-07 10:40:10 AM

OldManDownDRoad: The last cross-burning I saw was in the mid-60s in rural Craven County, NC, outside of Vanceboro. We were driving back from some family event in Greenville and the only road to the coast was a two-lane blacktop between New Bern and Greenville. It was out in a field and I was the only one awake in the car besides Dad, who was driving. Couldn't see anyone around it, just burning in the middle of a field. "Bunch of assholes" was his only comment.


This was in the mid-late 80's.  I think I might have saw two or three in the same spot before the baseball field was torn down and a distribution warehouse was built on it. My grandfather (Korean War vet) wanted to go over and ask them "what was going on" (just for the experience, he was crazy like that) but my mom didn't stop.
 
2013-10-07 10:40:12 AM

Englebert Slaptyback: 'They live normal lives, some with stronger racial overtones than others. There is wealthy and poor, intelligent and unintelligent... just like anywhere else.'


Really? I didn't see any of these in TFA. The nicest least bad dwelling was still made of concrete blocks and treated lumber. All the rest were strongly indicative of lower economic class.


Even worse, they had 2-liter bottles of carbonated beverages just sitting outside on the window sill.

I say the following as someone born and raised in Indiana, with half my family from Tennessee, and I currently live in Texas: Do KKK family trees EVER fork?
 
2013-10-07 10:40:31 AM

Latinwolf


True but consider this, would wealthier people have allowed him to take pictures of themselves? The type of people shown in the pictures would have appeared on Jerry Springer for the attention, the wealthier bunch, no.


Okay, but the author shouldn't try to establish the all-walks-of-life angle in the beginning and then focus solely on Cletus and Brandeen the rest of the time. If there were upper-class folks involved and interviewed the author could have said so and explained why they weren't in TFA.
I suspect he was trying not to say that the klan is the domain of the poor white bumpkin.
 
2013-10-07 10:40:36 AM

Scyllz: HUD display

 
2013-10-07 10:42:37 AM

Coco LaFemme: I really wish we as a society would just ignore these shiat-for-brains defectives.  Don't take their pictures, don't interview them, don't acknowledge they exist.  They aren't worth the time it takes to move our eyeballs in their direction.


Toledo a few years ago. The Klan said they were going to come and march. Cancelled the day of for lack of participation. Guess what happened? People started rioting because the Klan was marching. If they had ignored it, it all would have gone away.
 
2013-10-07 10:43:05 AM

Burr: OldManDownDRoad: The last cross-burning I saw was in the mid-60s in rural Craven County, NC, outside of Vanceboro. We were driving back from some family event in Greenville and the only road to the coast was a two-lane blacktop between New Bern and Greenville. It was out in a field and I was the only one awake in the car besides Dad, who was driving. Couldn't see anyone around it, just burning in the middle of a field. "Bunch of assholes" was his only comment.

This was in the mid-late 80's.  I think I might have saw two or three in the same spot before the baseball field was torn down and a distribution warehouse was built on it. My grandfather (Korean War vet) wanted to go over and ask them "what was going on" (just for the experience, he was crazy like that) but my mom didn't stop.


The thing is, Is I don't even live in "the south", I live just North if I-70 in eastern Ohio.  I drive about 20 miles west and I go from Appalachia to the Midwest.
 
2013-10-07 10:45:43 AM

cowsspinach: This is so surreal for me to read. The 1960's wasn't that long ago and it still blows my mind that stuff like that happened.


I feel the same way. Canada's racist history is "this happened a really long time ago and we don't do this anymore" (although we probably do), so coming down here and learning about sundown towns and all sorts of weird extremely petty racist things people have done and figuring out that they happened not THAT long ago is seriously unnerving.
 
2013-10-07 10:48:06 AM
They are also members of 'RRR' - Repeat Repeat Repeat
 
2013-10-07 10:48:18 AM

Burr: OldManDownDRoad: The last cross-burning I saw was in the mid-60s in rural Craven County, NC, outside of Vanceboro. We were driving back from some family event in Greenville and the only road to the coast was a two-lane blacktop between New Bern and Greenville. It was out in a field and I was the only one awake in the car besides Dad, who was driving. Couldn't see anyone around it, just burning in the middle of a field. "Bunch of assholes" was his only comment.

This was in the mid-late 80's.  I think I might have saw two or three in the same spot before the baseball field was torn down and a distribution warehouse was built on it. My grandfather (Korean War vet) wanted to go over and ask them "what was going on" (just for the experience, he was crazy like that) but my mom didn't stop.


Wow, that recent? Well, kinda recent. Things have really changed in that area. I used to work construction down at Atlantic Beach (early 70s) with guys who drove every day from places like Vanceboro and Bayboro, because there were just no jobs to be had. They were a pretty redneck crew, sometimes showed up stinking drunk on Monday morning after drinking all weekend. There are few things in life that smell as bad as a redneck sweating out cheap whiskey.

But I do feel a little sorry for them. The economic boom brought on by the development along the rivers, plus the growth of ECU and the development of Farmville around such things as the brewery, have not really benefited these guys. Occasionally I'll hear from one of them and it's the same story - just that now they can't afford the taxes on their rundown place, and all the local jobs are still minimum wage. Every now and then someone will post a photo to Facebook of some party or reunion and these guys look TERRIBLE, a lifetime of crap food, cheap booze, and bottom-rung jobs.
 
2013-10-07 10:48:39 AM

Tyrosine: FTA: The unassuming nature of the pictures has led to accusations that his work gives the Klan publicity, a claim he strongly refutes.

All but one of those photos did nothing but reenforce beliefs I already held about the KKK.

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 850x449]

And just a bit of advice for cousin Geech here before Suzzabelle and Lulu loose there eyesight (or what's left of their teeth) from a bad ricochet (or more likely a blind drunk accidental shooting). If you have roaches you might want to consider cleaning up that shiathole you call a house as a first step toward getting rid of them rather than breaking out a pellet gun.


I just noticed the Dora the Explorer backpack or poster in the background.  That makes for an interesting twist.
 
2013-10-07 10:50:26 AM

mike_d85: cowsspinach: This is so surreal for me to read. The 1960's wasn't that long ago and it still blows my mind that stuff like that happened.

Dude, I'VE seen a clan rally and I'm in my 20's.  It still happens in the south pretty frequently.  Portland had a nazi problem in the 90's.  There are roving bands of skinheads in Long Beach to this day.  There was a church bombing in new york in the early 2000s that was racially motivated.  It shouldn't "blow your mind" it happened 50 years ago, it should be amazing people aren't still actively fighting this.


I must live under a rock. I've never witnessed such things and it's just so...creepy.
 
2013-10-07 10:51:20 AM
So, this guy spent enormous amounts of time and energy to make excellent photographs that basically duplicate what would be on these people's Facebook feeds? 'Kay. I fail to see what's "astonishing" about these images. The Klan's not all that secretive any more, and they're about as effectual as the Flat Earth Society.
 
2013-10-07 10:53:11 AM

gnosis301: Does the geezer have a tattoo of a noose on his back?


guess you didn't read the caption?
 
2013-10-07 10:53:35 AM
Where' re all da white women at?
 
2013-10-07 10:55:07 AM

cajunns: guess you didn't read the caption?


No.  I'm not going to look at a web site prominently featuring KKK apparel at work.
 
2013-10-07 10:56:28 AM

Burr: Burr: Joe Peanut: This picture really says it all, doesn't it?
[i.dailymail.co.uk image 850x449]

He couldn't find the fly swatter

And the Dora the Explorer chair just adds to the story...


I hadn't noticed that. Good catch. Definitely odd that they would have merchandise from a show that promotes multiculturalism openly
 
2013-10-07 10:56:47 AM

gnosis301: Scyllz: HUD display


*facepalm*
 
2013-10-07 10:57:59 AM
Burr:
The thing is, Is I don't even live in "the south", I live just North if I-70 in eastern Ohio.  I drive about 20 miles west and I go from Appalachia to the Midwest.

Heh - I'm familiar with that area. One of my close college pals was from Belpre, Ohio - across the river from Parkersburgh WV. We drove up to visit his family a couple times, typical college road trip. And it was indeed a trip. He had relatives who lived in converted barns along creek bottoms who still did things like gather ginseng and work seasonal jobs for a living. Literally so far down the hollow they couldn't get TV signals and listened mostly to ham radio and police scanners for entertainment.
 
2013-10-07 10:59:36 AM

OldManDownDRoad: Wow, no shiate? My Uncle Pete was Pete Allen, originally from Farmville - but there are a ton of Allens in that area...

The strange thing about rural eastern NC is that the people either tended to be really nice (my mother's family) or total rednecks, like Uncle Pete.

I don't miss Uncle Pete at all but I sure miss Aunt Dorothy's lemon squares at family meals . . .

/howdy, cuz


Nope, and some geography lessons made it a bigger no.  My uncle pete was out of Texas and somehow tied in with Alamo Car Rentals.  He was freaking LOADED (he did own a gas station, though).  Also, I was thinking Greenville, SC (should have checked) and my mother's side of the family was from somewhere around Salem, NC.

Aunt Judi's Mac and Cheese is thankfully still present at family gatherings.  It's funny how people in the Carolina's work out like that.  You got those two types of people, the UNC people, and the mountain folk.
 
2013-10-07 11:00:02 AM
'One of the Klansmen he chronicled is an engineer on a nuclear submarine'

More like was by now.
 
Ant
2013-10-07 11:01:06 AM

New Age Redneck: From the article:

'They live normal lives, some with stronger racial overtones than others. There is wealthy and poor, intelligent and unintelligent... just like anywhere else.'

      No there f*cking isn't.  ANYONE who hold beliefs of superiority based on ethnicity, social status, sexual orientation, etc. is demonstrating they make simple emotional decisions, not intelligent ones.

Perhaps the media could focus on people who are actually intelligent, folks who are making our society inclusive and a better place for all.

F*ck these hillbillies.


Intellect can be used to reinforce stupid beliefs. Don't get all comfy, thinking that all assholes with shiatty hateful beliefs are a bunch of slack-jawed morons.
 
2013-10-07 11:01:20 AM
The photojournalist has a really cool site. http://www.anthonykaren.com/
Has pictures missing from the article and other groups/locations like Mogadishu, WBC, and White Nationalists/Skin heads.
Really interesting stuff.
 
2013-10-07 11:01:56 AM

Whatchoo Talkinbout: 'One of the Klansmen he chronicled is an engineer on a nuclear submarine'

More like was by now.


Nukes are odd people. REALLY odd. If he managed to make it to the fleet, he gets my respect. Even if he's probably dumb as a stump in every other way.
 
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