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(MSNBC)   A poll conducted in 24 competitive House districts shows registered voters in 17 of those districts favored a generic Democratic challenger over the incumbent Republican   (tv.msnbc.com) divider line 32
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2013-10-07 12:09:41 AM
Happens all the time, then they put an actual name to the candidate and the incumbent wins.
 
2013-10-07 01:44:30 AM
If nothing else these polls give the DNC a better idea of where to focus the advertising money.  Even if they can't turn enough districts to take back the House this election, any headway made will put them a step closer in '16.
 
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2013-10-07 06:18:35 AM
Makes me wonder what's in the drinking water in the other 7 that makes them that feeble-minded.
 
2013-10-07 07:38:12 AM

knbber2: Happens all the time, then they put an actual name to the candidate and the incumbent wins.


This.

The Republican in my district (Gibson) may be the only politician in all of New York who's not a party-line whargarbling hack.

His likely challenger is a 27-year-old who married a half-billion-dollar pile of Facebook money and swanned into town last year for a bit of district-shopping. We're still explaining to him that the big four-legged black-and-white things out in the fields are dairy cattle and he need not fear them.
 
2013-10-07 08:47:03 AM
I guess the district lines are too straight.
 
2013-10-07 08:48:39 AM

TuteTibiImperes: If nothing else these polls give the DNC a better idea of where to focus the advertising money.


"Everywhere"
 
2013-10-07 08:48:59 AM
Really hope this happen. Not because I think it would necessarily lead to an improvement in government or for any kind of specific changes....I would just be fascinated how the GOP would manage to spin this so that it's all somehow Obamas/liberals/main stream medias fault.
 
2013-10-07 08:49:39 AM
Meh.

"Generic Republican" was going to defeat Obama in 2012, too.
 
2013-10-07 08:50:22 AM
So what?  Gerrymandering has made it so that there are very few competitive districts.   Sure, gerrymandering is used to increase the number of politicians elected by the party in power, but it is much more of an incumbency protection scheme.
 
2013-10-07 08:51:30 AM

Xcott: I guess the district lines are too straight.


At this point, don't we have the computing power/technology necessary to create "real time" district maps? Shouldn't our representatives be able to redraw - or rather, have districts redrawn for them - based on the residency of every single person in the state on a day to day basis?

You know....so they can better serve their constituencies, of course?
 
2013-10-07 08:51:50 AM

Gulper Eel: knbber2: Happens all the time, then they put an actual name to the candidate and the incumbent wins.

This.

The Republican in my district (Gibson) may be the only politician in all of New York who's not a party-line whargarbling hack.

His likely challenger is a 27-year-old who married a half-billion-dollar pile of Facebook money and swanned into town last year for a bit of district-shopping. We're still explaining to him that the big four-legged black-and-white things out in the fields are dairy cattle and he need not fear them.


Now that's funny, right there.

/Mobile
 
2013-10-07 08:54:42 AM

knbber2: Happens all the time, then they put an actual name to the candidate and the incumbent wins.


Depends.  While I agree with your point, the Democrats are generally not as bad as nominating idiots.  Look at their number of Coakley's vs. the Republicans number of Atkins.
 
2013-10-07 08:57:53 AM
Generic democrat punched my grandpa at the VA Hospital get together. Beautiful Republican Man gave me pie and smells of honey and lavender. I'm voting with my gut smart not mind thinking thing.
 
2013-10-07 08:58:00 AM
Speaking of gerrymandering, I'm sick and tired of how Liberals are gaming the system through gerrymandering. So, I'm asking all Conservatives and moderates to support independent commissions to draw all congressional districts.

Let's stop those damn Liberals!
 
2013-10-07 09:01:16 AM

AkaDad: Speaking of gerrymandering, I'm sick and tired of how Liberals are gaming the system through gerrymandering. So, I'm asking all Conservatives and moderates to support independent commissions to draw all congressional districts.

Let's stop those damn Liberals!


0.5/10, too obvious. The 0.5 was for effort.
 
2013-10-07 09:01:36 AM
This would mean a lot more if the election wasn't more than an entire year away. Americans WILL remember this come election time, but its impact will be long forgotten, and as such the gravity of the situation will give way to god, guns and abortion once again.

Oh, and jerbs. Always jerbs. Laser-like focus and all that.
 
2013-10-07 09:04:25 AM
I wonder how long they searched for actual competetive districts?  I didnt know such a thing existed.  Kinda like a lygar.
 
2013-10-07 09:08:49 AM
We'll see... I have no faith in my fellow countrymen anymore. Particularly when it comes to getting rid of these dangerous ideologues in the GOP.
 
2013-10-07 09:14:34 AM
We need to substantially increase the size of the House of Representatives. Smaller, more homogenous districts will elect people who more closely represent their interests. The secret money people would have to layout more cash. Such district will be harder to gerrymander.

If we had the same proportion of population to representatives now as we did in the First Congress, there would be over 8000 members of the House.
 
2013-10-07 09:18:29 AM

mainstreet62: AkaDad: Speaking of gerrymandering, I'm sick and tired of how Liberals are gaming the system through gerrymandering. So, I'm asking all Conservatives and moderates to support independent commissions to draw all congressional districts.

Let's stop those damn Liberals!

0.5/10, too obvious. The 0.5 was for effort.


I read that as outright sarcasm.
 
2013-10-07 09:22:01 AM

threedingers: Meh.

"Generic Republican" was going to defeat Obama in 2012, too.


Came to say this.  I laughed constantly at conservatives I know who crowed about those meaningless polls early on.  Not about to turn around and do the same thing.
 
2013-10-07 09:25:47 AM

threedingers: mainstreet62: AkaDad: Speaking of gerrymandering, I'm sick and tired of how Liberals are gaming the system through gerrymandering. So, I'm asking all Conservatives and moderates to support independent commissions to draw all congressional districts.

Let's stop those damn Liberals!

0.5/10, too obvious. The 0.5 was for effort.

I read that as outright sarcasm.


Yeah, I read it as a ploy to trick the GOP into doing something they're against in order to stick it to the libs. Kinda in the "Obama needs to come out in favor of breathing oxygen" vein.
 
2013-10-07 09:28:21 AM
That can only mean one thing, time to purge the voter rolls.
 
2013-10-07 09:34:05 AM

jayhawk88: Really hope this happen. Not because I think it would necessarily lead to an improvement in government or for any kind of specific changes....I would just be fascinated how the GOP would manage to spin this so that it's all somehow Obamas/liberals/main stream medias fault.


Easy. They stole the election.

Next question.
 
2013-10-07 09:36:06 AM

mainstreet62: AkaDad: Speaking of gerrymandering, I'm sick and tired of how Liberals are gaming the system through gerrymandering. So, I'm asking all Conservatives and moderates to support independent commissions to draw all congressional districts.

Let's stop those damn Liberals!

0.5/10, too obvious. The 0.5 was for effort.


I disagree. I think this is a brilliant bit of trolling, and this is just the wrong audience. It would go over better in a place like Free Republic, a classic Br'er Rabbit strategy. I think we should be making to argument to every conservative we can.

I give it an 8/10, but it would be 10/10 on Free Republic.
 
2013-10-07 09:48:51 AM

Yakk: That can only mean one thing, time to purge the voter rolls.



I will take "What is new voter ID laws and cutting back early voting days for $100,? Alex
 
2013-10-07 09:57:18 AM
I'd prefer to run some Republicans out of office, but I'm not going to put stock in a MSNBC poll.
 
2013-10-07 10:13:26 AM
FTFA:  "Republicans have felt the brunt of the public's anger for the standoff over the government shutdown. Polls released last week by CBS and Fox showed that Americans blame Republicans for the shutdown by a wide margin."

Well, that's because you have Republicans like Michelle Bachmann going around bragging about it.  She told Hannity that, "[w]e're really very energized today, we are very strong, This is about the happiest I've seen members in a long time because we see we are starting to win this dialogue on a national level."
 
2013-10-07 10:13:41 AM
In a certain sense this is what the repubs are working for. The Tea Party element is uncomfortable being in charge. They're much happier in the role of victim and when handed the shiny toy of governmental responsibility, their immediate response is to bang it against the wall until it breaks. Demotion to minority status enables them to indulge in the reckless rhetoric, Red Dawn daydreaming and meaningless symbolism which really interests them and their constituents, without the possibility of, you know, accidentally wrecking the country. The only danger is that a sidelined Tea Party Congressman might feel obliged to invoke Second Amendment remedies on the House floor if his sense of grievance is high enough. It sounds crazy. but then, these people are.
 
2013-10-07 10:17:41 AM

Satanic_Hamster: knbber2: Happens all the time, then they put an actual name to the candidate and the incumbent wins.

Depends. While I agree with your point, the Democrats are generally not as bad as nominating idiots. Look at their number of Coakley's vs. the Republicans number of Atkins.



Exactly. I also believe that gerrymandering and the public's growing frustration with the tea Party antics could harm the Republican incumbent if implemented correctly. Have the Democratic challenger basically say that while their Republican opponent is a decent person and not a "Tea Party extremist", their re-election would continue to empower the "Tea Party extremists" in the safe gerrymandered districts due to their failure to stand up to them. You can't boot the extremists in the safe districts out. Your only other option to keep the Tea Party from taking the country down with them is to marginalize them by electing Democrats in the swing districts.

That would give the incumbent Republican two choices, either to stand up to the Tea Party and alienate the base or double down on the derp which alienates the moderates. Either way it is a win-win for the Democrats.
 
2013-10-07 11:32:42 AM

Wellon Dowd: We need to substantially increase the size of the House of Representatives. Smaller, more homogenous districts will elect people who more closely represent their interests. The secret money people would have to layout more cash. Such district will be harder to gerrymander.

If we had the same proportion of population to representatives now as we did in the First Congress, there would be over 8000 members of the House.


Here's the problem: the members of the suicide caucus really are representing their constituents' interests. Their constituents are much more homogeneously white than the rest of the nation. They voted for Romney at a far higher rate than the rest of the nation. They even voted for their representative in the House at a far higher rate than the rest of the nation voted for Romney. Their constituents think blowing up the world is the right thing to do.
 
2013-10-07 11:45:12 AM

Fantasta Potamus: I'd prefer to run some Republicans out of office, but I'm not going to put stock in a MSNBC poll.


WTF is an "MSNBC" poll? They paid for it, it was conducted by PPP.  I paid for a Volkswagen, does that mean it is a MisterRonbo car?

PPP is middle of the pack on accuracy.  In 2012 they ended up with a 2.7% bias - in favor of Republicans.

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/11/10/which-polls-fare d- best-and-worst-in-the-2012-presidential-race/?_r=0
 
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