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(News 13 Orlando)   Tragic accident or not, let's raffle off a gun to raise money for this guy's legal defense. That 's a great idea   (mynews13.com) divider line 78
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2013-10-07 12:00:33 AM
In the video, you can see Brown, who was running from police for a suspected seatbelt violation

The hell? Had to do more digging on this one.

Here's a link with the dashcam video.

Sure looks like the cop ran him over. Oh, and there are these fun tidbits:

"At best the report is inaccurate, at worst it's a blatant lie," says Brown family attorney Benjamin Crump, who also represented Trayvon Martin's family.

Complicating the case is the fact that the autopsy was actually performed by Dr. Shiping Bao - the same doctor who performed the autopsy on Trayvon Martin - but signed by Herrmann. Bao was fired from his position in the M.E.'s office in September. According to the complaint, Bao told the Brown family that he concluded the cause of death was not an "accident" but "traumatic homicide," but that he was overruled by his supervisor, Dr. Herrmann.
 
2013-10-07 01:19:18 AM
This thread should be interesting, I'll get the popcorn and sodas. Anyone want skittles?
 
2013-10-07 01:21:12 AM
FTA: However, the drawing for the winning raffle ticket was held on a pontoon boat, out of the sight of spectators, under the Whitehair Bridge on the St. Johns River in DeLand.

Organizers briefly addressed the small crowd from their pontoon boat, telling them that they would call the winner.


Sounds like a scam.
 
2013-10-07 01:21:25 AM
Well why the fark not?
 
2013-10-07 01:22:32 AM

strangeluck: This thread should be interesting, I'll get the popcorn and sodas. Anyone want skittles?


I'm mixing up some LEAN right now.
 
2013-10-07 01:29:56 AM
Let's support our local murderer with a badge by auctioning off a weapon of mass destruction. Good call, idiots!
 
2013-10-07 01:31:44 AM
At least he didn't drown "while swimming with more then he could steal".
 
2013-10-07 01:32:07 AM
DRIN--

Oh, wrong guy? Do carry on then.
 
2013-10-07 01:32:21 AM
I thought this was gonna be another Zim thread, drink.
 
2013-10-07 01:32:45 AM
Is there any problem guns CAN'T solve?
 
2013-10-07 01:33:31 AM

Befuddled: FTA: However, the drawing for the winning raffle ticket was held on a pontoon boat, out of the sight of spectators, under the Whitehair Bridge on the St. Johns River in DeLand.

Organizers briefly addressed the small crowd from their pontoon boat, telling them that they would call the winner.

Sounds like a scam.



Yeah, they have raffles at one of the local HotRod shows every year, its always a nice 57 Chevy Belair or a mid-60s Impala or something. Seems like the only people that win those are in the same club thats raffling it off.
 
2013-10-07 01:33:44 AM

Oldiron_79: I thought this was gonna be another Zim thread, drink.


You're looking for the Lakewood, WA story linked below.
 
2013-10-07 01:36:13 AM

fusillade762: In the video, you can see Brown, who was running from police for a suspected seatbelt violation


You highlight "seatbelt violation" like it's some trivial crime. Not wearing your seatbelt can get you killed.
 
2013-10-07 01:36:53 AM

morg: fusillade762: In the video, you can see Brown, who was running from police for a suspected seatbelt violation

You highlight "seatbelt violation" like it's some trivial crime. Not wearing your seatbelt can get you killed.


I actually lol'd. Nice.
 
2013-10-07 01:41:52 AM

morg: fusillade762: In the video, you can see Brown, who was running from police for a suspected seatbelt violation

You highlight "seatbelt violation" like it's some trivial crime. Not wearing your seatbelt can get you killed.


not sure if trolliing or really means it
 
2013-10-07 01:44:23 AM

morg: fusillade762: In the video, you can see Brown, who was running from police for a suspected seatbelt violation

You highlight "seatbelt violation" like it's some trivial crime. Not wearing your seatbelt can get you killed.


Clearly.
 
2013-10-07 01:46:21 AM
Why would you run from cops for not wearing a seatbelt? Why would an officer chase someone, endangering others lives, for a seat belt violation?

This is so filled with fail, and the idiot paid the ultimate price, for what, a $35 dollar ticket? Guessing he didn't have a license, and that is why he was running. Or had drugs on him. No reason to run unless something else was going on.

Kudos for the assist on the Darwin award, with the plus of getting a idiot cop off the street. Win win.
 
2013-10-07 01:59:02 AM

fusillade762: The hell? Had to do more digging on this one.

Here's a link with the dashcam video.

Sure looks like the cop ran him over. Oh, and there are these fun tidbits:


you know he could have tried to hit his brakes for a show...
 
2013-10-07 02:00:23 AM

morg: fusillade762: In the video, you can see Brown, who was running from police for a suspected seatbelt violation

You highlight "seatbelt violation" like it's some trivial crime. Not wearing your seatbelt can get you killed.


Why didn't you submit this headline? You're funnier.
 
2013-10-07 02:00:38 AM
The raffle was held out of the view of the public, and the ticket holders were told that the winner would be called?
cdn01.cdnwp.celebuzz.com
Sounds legit.
 
2013-10-07 02:06:04 AM
"I think there's probably beginning to be more now than there were before because" even as decided to use even go want to do look more like.
 
2013-10-07 02:15:45 AM

strangeluck: This thread should be interesting, I'll get the popcorn and sodas. Anyone want skittles?


And some tea please...
 
2013-10-07 02:18:25 AM
This just in.  You run from the cops you take a chance of getting killed.  I'd say there was way more to the story than meets the eye.
 
2013-10-07 02:19:06 AM

Befuddled: FTA: However, the drawing for the winning raffle ticket was held on a pontoon boat, out of the sight of spectators, under the Whitehair Bridge on the St. Johns River in DeLand.

Organizers briefly addressed the small crowd from their pontoon boat, telling them that they would call the winner.

Sounds like a scam.


Yeah, if your draw is held under a bridge, you just might be a troll.
 
2013-10-07 02:19:20 AM
Hm, I'm not sure who's the person to blame here.

After all, the cop is now a FORMER DeLand police officer--he's not working as a cop anymore, and since he was a rookie, his legal costs may not have been covered by the union, so if his family needs to raise money to cover his defense, that's up to them.

The victim's family took a half-million dollar settlement with the police department (which proves nothing); but if there's a villain here, it's the medical examiner's office and the DA who declined to press charges in the case. I mean, the cop could hardly come out and say "No no, I think you should press charges against me, it was clearly a case of vehicular homicide." It's up to the DA to decide whether to press charges or not--and it's up to the medical examiner to determine how and why a person died. It was the ME's office that determined the victim didn't die by being struck by a car, which would have led the DA to decide not to file charges. Which makes zero sense, since that would mean the guy just up and died, or as we used to say DFO'd.

Cop hate may be misplaced in this one. I think what's wanted here is a double helping of lawyer and bureaucrat hate.
 
2013-10-07 02:22:25 AM

Gyrfalcon: Hm, I'm not sure who's the person to blame here.

After all, the cop is now a FORMER DeLand police officer--he's not working as a cop anymore, and since he was a rookie, his legal costs may not have been covered by the union, so if his family needs to raise money to cover his defense, that's up to them.

The victim's family took a half-million dollar settlement with the police department (which proves nothing); but if there's a villain here, it's the medical examiner's office and the DA who declined to press charges in the case. I mean, the cop could hardly come out and say "No no, I think you should press charges against me, it was clearly a case of vehicular homicide." It's up to the DA to decide whether to press charges or not--and it's up to the medical examiner to determine how and why a person died. It was the ME's office that determined the victim didn't die by being struck by a car, which would have led the DA to decide not to file charges. Which makes zero sense, since that would mean the guy just up and died, or as we used to say DFO'd.

Cop hate may be misplaced in this one. I think what's wanted here is a double helping of lawyer and bureaucrat hate.


Why you always up so late?
 
2013-10-07 02:27:05 AM
Um... so?

Raffles are a pretty standard way to raise money for things in informal situations.  I mean, I understand the outrage over the incident itself, that sounds unacceptably ambiguous at best, but I don't really see why the raffle is in itself a news item.

I guess it's a follow-up thing from the perspective of the local paper in question?
 
2013-10-07 02:29:15 AM

Gyrfalcon: It's up to the DA to decide whether to press charges or not--and it's up to the medical examiner to determine how and why a person died. It was the ME's office that determined the victim didn't die by being struck by a car, which would have led the DA to decide not to file charges. Which makes zero sense, since that would mean the guy just up and died, or as we used to say DFO'd.


An ME can determine that someone died due to injuries from an auto accident without ruling it a homicide, depending on the location and severity of the injuries. Sort of like how a guy shot in the back of the head with a rifle can die of a gunshot wound without them ruling it a suicide.
 
2013-10-07 02:33:35 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Gyrfalcon: Hm, I'm not sure who's the person to blame here.

After all, the cop is now a FORMER DeLand police officer--he's not working as a cop anymore, and since he was a rookie, his legal costs may not have been covered by the union, so if his family needs to raise money to cover his defense, that's up to them.

The victim's family took a half-million dollar settlement with the police department (which proves nothing); but if there's a villain here, it's the medical examiner's office and the DA who declined to press charges in the case. I mean, the cop could hardly come out and say "No no, I think you should press charges against me, it was clearly a case of vehicular homicide." It's up to the DA to decide whether to press charges or not--and it's up to the medical examiner to determine how and why a person died. It was the ME's office that determined the victim didn't die by being struck by a car, which would have led the DA to decide not to file charges. Which makes zero sense, since that would mean the guy just up and died, or as we used to say DFO'd.

Cop hate may be misplaced in this one. I think what's wanted here is a double helping of lawyer and bureaucrat hate.

Why you always up so late?


11:30 is not late.
 
2013-10-07 02:37:30 AM
Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Why you always up so late?

She's in the West. Why are you always up so late?
 
2013-10-07 02:38:06 AM

Bigdogdaddy: This just in.  You run from the cops you take a chance of getting killed.  I'd say there was way more to the story than meets the eye.


I dunno.  The dash cam is pretty damning.
Even if they're wanted for mass murder, exacting the death penalty on the spot is not how things are supposed to play out.
 
2013-10-07 02:38:14 AM

HotWingAgenda: Gyrfalcon: It's up to the DA to decide whether to press charges or not--and it's up to the medical examiner to determine how and why a person died. It was the ME's office that determined the victim didn't die by being struck by a car, which would have led the DA to decide not to file charges. Which makes zero sense, since that would mean the guy just up and died, or as we used to say DFO'd.

An ME can determine that someone died due to injuries from an auto accident without ruling it a homicide, depending on the location and severity of the injuries. Sort of like how a guy shot in the back of the head with a rifle can die of a gunshot wound without them ruling it a suicide.


In the link fusillade provided, the ME said the guy DIDN'T die from being struck by the car:

Brown family attorney Benjamin Crump tells CBS News' Crimesider that he believes the reason the grand jury failed to indict Harris was that the autopsy, signed by Dr. Marie Herrmann, determined that there was no evidence the car struck Brown - a conclusion the family's complaint says defies "logic, common sense, and seemingly scientific principle."

A medical examiner can only come up with two verdicts: death by accident or death at the hands of another. Therefore, since according to the genius in this case the victim somehow didn't die by being run over by a car, he magically died from some other cause that didn't involve being struck by the patrol car driven by the cop. And therefore, the grand jury couldn't indict him, because he didn't cause the death of the victim.
 
2013-10-07 02:41:42 AM
Guns get raffled off all the time, there's absolutely nothing illegal about it in most states, you 'afraid of your own shadow' types need to get over yourselves.

As far as the issue with the guy who got killed, once you begin to run from the police, you open yourself up to possible harm. Accidents happen, from watching the video it looks to me like the guy slipped and fell and the cop simply could stop in time. Nobody runs from the police for a simple traffic violation, this guy was obviously guilty of something and he didn't want to be caught. I have zero sympathy for him.
 
2013-10-07 02:55:11 AM
The video clearly shows the man being sucked into a wormhole just nanoseconds before the car could ram him at speed. Obviously, the extraplanar entities that killed him just deposited his body under the car moments (though who can say how time works in their realm?) later. Turn this one over to the X-Files.
 
2013-10-07 02:59:01 AM

Gyrfalcon: determined that there was no evidence the car struck Brown


Oh, forget what I said then. That's farked up.
 
2013-10-07 03:00:25 AM
Oh, and yeah, it sounds totally legit that these good samaritans who just wanted to help out the former officer with his legal fees A. held the purported raffle on a boat and later "announced" the winner, B. refused to say how much they raised, and C. generously offered to turn over any funds not applied to said defense fund (the, y'know, ENTIRE STATED PURPOSE OF THE RAFFLE) toward charity. Totally, 100% legit, and not shady in any way. Not even a little bit.
 
2013-10-07 03:22:35 AM
Would you all feel better if they raffled off a car instead?


/cars don't kill people, cops kill people.
 
2013-10-07 03:22:49 AM
Makes you wonder how the grand jury decided there was insufficient evidence to bring charges though. Surely they would have seen the video.
 
2013-10-07 03:30:42 AM
Follow your training!
 
2013-10-07 03:38:21 AM
That's some straight up GTA right there.

i745.photobucket.com
 
2013-10-07 03:40:17 AM

Gyrfalcon: Hm, I'm not sure who's the person to blame here.

After all, the cop is now a FORMER DeLand police officer--he's not working as a cop anymore, and since he was a rookie, his legal costs may not have been covered by the union, so if his family needs to raise money to cover his defense, that's up to them.

The victim's family took a half-million dollar settlement with the police department (which proves nothing); but if there's a villain here, it's the medical examiner's office and the DA who declined to press charges in the case. I mean, the cop could hardly come out and say "No no, I think you should press charges against me, it was clearly a case of vehicular homicide." It's up to the DA to decide whether to press charges or not--and it's up to the medical examiner to determine how and why a person died. It was the ME's office that determined the victim didn't die by being struck by a car, which would have led the DA to decide not to file charges. Which makes zero sense, since that would mean the guy just up and died, or as we used to say DFO'd.

Cop hate may be misplaced in this one. I think what's wanted here is a double helping of lawyer and bureaucrat hate.


How the fark is the cop hate misplaced? He drove over someone with his car who was running, admittedly a stupid idea, from a seatbelt violation. Sounds like a pretty legit reason to place cop hate in the general vicinity. And it wasn't like the victim/runner dove under the police car either. At the very very least it was criminal recklessness in the chase.

I am not going to bag on the guy for auctioning off property to raise money for his defense -- he is going to need it -- but the cop hate is fine on this one. Also the people buying raffle tickets for this event are farking retards if they didn't insist on it being done in plain sight.

To be honest, I'm more surprised that Dr. Bao made a stunningly obvious, correct choice for the cause of death. I'm less surprised that a politically appointed coroner would throw the PD a bone.
 
2013-10-07 03:50:31 AM
Cop tried to pull the guy over for a suspected seatbelt violation? More like Driving While Black. There's no way he could tell if the guy had his belt on or not, from behind, in the dark.

Still, running from the cops is farking stupid, getting out of your car and fleeing on foot is even stupider, and there was no way this was going to end well for the deceased. From the video it looks like the cop was trying to get in front of the suspect to block him in, and the guy just picked the wrong spot to trip and fall.

The bit about the M.E's report is really sketchy though. Sounds like there's some serious CYA activity going on, between that and the summary firing of the officer. Both sides were obviously in the wrong here.
 
2013-10-07 05:00:33 AM

ReapTheChaos: Guns get raffled off all the time, there's absolutely nothing illegal about it in most states, you 'afraid of your own shadow' types need to get over yourselves.

As far as the issue with the guy who got killed, once you begin to run from the police, you open yourself up to possible harm. Accidents happen, from watching the video it looks to me like the guy slipped and fell and the cop simply could stop in time. Nobody runs from the police for a simple traffic violation, this guy was obviously guilty of something and he didn't want to be caught. I have zero sympathy for him.


How's it going officer?
 
2013-10-07 05:22:07 AM
I'd rather win the cannoli
 
2013-10-07 05:46:47 AM
No one runs from a seatbelt violation. And if the dashcam runs from the start, we could see him taking off said belt to get out and run away. Guilty. Then he runs from cops. They are supposed to think that a runner has something to hide. NOT the full story. And goodbye $550,000 that could have been spent in so many more deserving ways.
 
2013-10-07 05:52:41 AM

BummerDuck: Why would you run from cops for not wearing a seatbelt? Why would an officer chase someone, endangering others lives, for a seat belt violation?

This is so filled with fail, and the idiot paid the ultimate price, for what, a $35 dollar ticket? Guessing he didn't have a license, and that is why he was running. Or had drugs on him. No reason to run unless something else was going on.


My  wonderful ex-brother in law did something similar. He was told that he had to come to court for some legal proceedings but decided to run to another state to avoid the charges. In the end he got arrested and served several months to a year for running from the police... for a charge that would've been thrown out of court anyway. I don't know what he originally thought the charges were for, but it ended up being because he had a very small amount of pot on him. The point of this story is that people will run from the police because they're breaking the law in other ways and think that they'll get serious jail time for said lawbreaking when it's really for something minor.

/last I heard he was in jail for a B&E where he threatened someone pretty badly
 
2013-10-07 06:32:44 AM

Ready-set: No one runs from a seatbelt violation. And if the dashcam runs from the start, we could see him taking off said belt to get out and run away. Guilty. Then he runs from cops. They are supposed to think that a runner has something to hide. NOT the full story. And goodbye $550,000 that could have been spent in so many more deserving ways.




DNRTFA but I recall he was on parole or some such.
The point is that he wasn't killed because of a seatbelt infringement. He was killed because he ran from the cops and one got overzealous in his pursuit. Leaving the question if the officer was right or wrong to go full carmageddon when knowing only that he had a runner.

/Yes only the guilty run.
/but nine out of ten runners are guilty of trivial shiat.
/at some point its the better judgement to not wreck equipment and go full judge dredd on every panicked driver.
 
2013-10-07 06:53:34 AM
cdn01.dailycaller.com
 
2013-10-07 06:57:36 AM
That is the Florida of Florida. Epic.
 
2013-10-07 07:06:49 AM
The family of the suspect received $550,000 in a settlement. That's more than Mr. Brown would have made in his lifetime knocking over liquor stores and gas stations.
 
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