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2013-10-07 08:39:50 AM
You mean to tell me that a profession that has always been behind the times in terms of gender equality, and that until the past 50 years considered 'detached superiority' to be the best possible method for interacting with the public might have a bit of a problem with inappropriate sexual behaviour?  No way.  What's next? Are the engineers and lawyers up to this too?
 
2013-10-07 08:42:11 AM

Mr. Eugenides: Abox: I've only seen one chick doctor and that was for strep throat.  She prescribed antibiotics without even taking a throat swab...I thought that was weird and I never went back to her.

My GP is female and not entirely unattractive.  She's married with a couple of kids, I'm married with a couple of kids, It's just not an issue for the most part.  Though the prostate check is, err, uncomfortable.



Women get invasive exams all the time (often by male doctors).  Man up nancy boy.  Close your eyes and think of England.
 
2013-10-07 08:42:50 AM

doglover: Men get groped at work, too. Probably as often or even more because we're not allowed to complain about it.


I haven't been groped at work since I was 16. With guys there is a much bigger danger of getting punched in the face for pulling something like that.
 
2013-10-07 08:46:42 AM

LiberalConservative: Evolutions is a biatch. Men seem to be programmed to grope while women seem rather gropable (and perhaps get to select who gropes them). And anyhow, what about all the wanted/appreciated gropes?


If it's wanted it's called a caress.  A grope means that it is unwanted.

If men are so unable to control themselves maybe we should round them up and place them in special camps.   Don't you think that  labelling men as out-of-control assholes is an insult to men?
 
2013-10-07 08:53:45 AM

EStau: I have no qualms with a man wanting to be a gyno. My doc actually said that he became a OBGYN because he felt that it was a "happy" medical field. He spoke about how being a general surgeon was an option, but he couldn't always fix a problem, and make the person happy. (EG installing a colostomy bag, fixed the issue, but the patient was less than thrilled) Delivering babies, helping women to plan for families, or avoid them, and making, what could be, an unpleasant experience a nice one does sound like a "happy" medical field!
Unless you're that evil, uncaring, heavy-handed witch I saw that just wants to crush delicate, sensitive, petite flowers /sniff. Oh, and happiness, I think she tried to crush my main source of it too.


I can't see gynecology as all that happy of a field.  Maybe delivering a healthy, wanted baby is a happy event, but beyond that there is a lot of older menopausal women with tumors and cancer and prolapses.
 
2013-10-07 08:58:01 AM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Men treat women like objects. Ric Romero reports.


Yes. Because men are all the same, and all men do this. Good job fighting sexism there.
 
2013-10-07 09:22:52 AM

Trapper439: Benevolent Misanthrope: Men treat women like objects. Ric Romero reports.

Yes. Because men are all the same, and all men do this. Good job fighting sexism there.


It doesn't have to be all or even most.  There just have to be enough horrible men to make it nearly impossible for a woman to go through life without encountering some pretty much all the time, and it's pretty clear that this happens.

Also, it is true that most men at least tacitly support this kind of treatment, as do many women who have been trained since birth to view women as inferior objects whose purpose is to titillate men whenever men want to get off.
 
2013-10-07 09:29:35 AM

THE GREAT NAME: someonelse: Tat'dGreaser: Gotta love the old men's rights thread on the ole Fark

It's like when you come across a weird racist toy at an antiques store. It's oddly amusing at first, but ultimately sad.

So, you find racism amusing?


Occasionally, as a precursor to sadness and mild nausea.
 
2013-10-07 09:30:40 AM

Lady J: razyjean:

I have a question for the ladies: do you prefer a male or female OB/GYN?

I prefer female, because they have the same parts as I do and are more inclined to respect the sensitive nature of the area (plus, I had one male Dr. that made me feel kind of uncomfortable; like he enjoyed giving the exam just a little too much).

My mother-in-law says that only a man should look at a woman's parts.  I honestly didn't even know how to respond to that.  I tried explaining my views, but it was like talking to a puppy, blank stare and all (like she couldn't comprehend the words I was speaking).

female. mainly because I would mistrust the motivations of any man who wanted to be a gynaecologist


wooo sexism.

i thought about how cool it would be a gynecologist when i was like 18, but that only lasted a minute till i realized i'd have to deal with a lot of yeast infections, jungles, and old women.

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2013-10-07 09:31:12 AM

Bucky Katt: fusillade762: doglover: Men get groped at work, too. Probably as often or even more because we're not allowed to complain about it.

I've never been groped at work.

Me either.  I've been waiting for years and nada.


You gotta head down to the home depot parking lot. Granted, they'll steal your wallet. Wallets are on sale for 4.95, 10% off with employee discount.
 
2013-10-07 09:36:01 AM

someonelse: Tat'dGreaser: Gotta love the old men's rights thread on the ole Fark

It's like when you come across a weird racist toy at an antiques store. It's oddly amusing at first, but ultimately sad.


A lot of guys get tired of being tarred with the same brush. Most of us know to think 'How would I want someone to treat my sister, wife, mother, or daughter?'

If we see harassment we try to stop it. Yes there is a problem with sexual harassment, we all need to help fix it. If someone does this, report them. Assholes won't change without consequences.

The idea that men get this as much as women is pretty far fetched. I'm sure some environments are just as bad for men, but nearly so many if them.

But goddamn, I get tired of it being assumed all guys tolerate or excuse this behavior.
 
2013-10-07 09:40:41 AM
he is concerned that less than 7 per cent of the GPs said they had been trained on how to deal with sexual harassment by a patient

See there? THAT's the problem. Patients are horribly underqualified to train GPs on how to deal with sexual harassment. That task should be left to professional.
 
2013-10-07 10:05:50 AM

DaBayer: he is concerned that less than 7 per cent of the GPs said they had been trained on how to deal with sexual harassment by a patient

See there? THAT's the problem. Patients are horribly underqualified to train GPs on how to deal with sexual harassment. That task should be left to professional.


No, you idiot! He means that training doctors todo sexual harassment needs patience, because doctors are slow learners. That's why they need 10 years at med school just to learn how to poke their finger up your bum, prescribe antibiotics for a virus, and badger you about your lifestyle.
 
2013-10-07 10:16:24 AM

razyjean: My mother-in-law says that only a man should look at a woman's parts. I honestly didn't even know how to respond to that. I tried explaining my views, but it was like talking to a puppy, blank stare and all (like she couldn't comprehend the words I was speaking).


My current Gyno is a near-retirement tiny Chinese man which is amusing to me since I'm 5'8". I was a little nervous at first but he's completely harmless and very nice. In fact the only thing that's weird about it is he is very much pro-baby so it took a while to convince him that yes, hysterectomy was how I wanted to fix the endometriosis since the other treatment didn't work. The waiting room is a little intimidating, because he's probably delivered 500+ babies and they're all on the walls.
 
2013-10-07 10:25:22 AM

ladyfortuna: The waiting room is a little intimidating, because he's probably delivered 500+ babies and they're all on the walls.


Maybe he should start using a delivery room then, and probably catch them on the way out.
 
2013-10-07 10:25:22 AM

ladyfortuna: because he's probably delivered 500+ babies and they're all on the walls.


That's disgusting and unsanitary.
 
2013-10-07 10:33:27 AM

someonelse: ladyfortuna: because he's probably delivered 500+ babies and they're all on the walls.

That's disgusting and unsanitary.


Haha! Well played.
 
2013-10-07 10:45:50 AM

ambercat: redmid17: razyjean: ladyfortuna: Pincy: Mr. Eugenides: Abox: I've only seen one chick doctor and that was for strep throat.  She prescribed antibiotics without even taking a throat swab...I thought that was weird and I never went back to her.

My GP is female and not entirely unattractive.  She's married with a couple of kids, I'm married with a couple of kids, It's just not an issue for the most part.  Though the prostate check is, err, uncomfortable.

I'm sure all the women who have to go through a pelvic exam every year are playing their violins for you.

Indeed. Especially when they forget the lubricant for the speculum.

/not kidding even a little bit.
//it was just that once, thank god

You poor thing!


I have a question for the ladies: do you prefer a male or female OB/GYN?

I prefer female, because they have the same parts as I do and are more inclined to respect the sensitive nature of the area (plus, I had one male Dr. that made me feel kind of uncomfortable; like he enjoyed giving the exam just a little too much).

My mother-in-law says that only a man should look at a woman's parts.  I honestly didn't even know how to respond to that.  I tried explaining my views, but it was like talking to a puppy, blank stare and all (like she couldn't comprehend the words I was speaking).

I've not been to an OB/GYN -- being a guy and all -- but my girlfriend is thinking about switching from a female to a male. She doesn't feel too comfortably getting a BC prescription from a women who is "pregnant every time I see her." Then again, I don't know if there is any actual judgment or a just a figment of her imagination. I mean, you know how crazy women are...

How does she know she's pregnant and not fat? However, it's also odd to assume her birth control failed, if that's what your gf is implying. Some of the ladies who become OB/GYNs are the types who love pregnancy and children. Doesn't mean they're going to make YOU pregnant.


1) Her doctor repeatedly says she is pregnant and has additional children every year....
2) That's not what she's implying
3) I'm assuming, because I didn't want to press the issue, that my girlfriend didn't feel comfortable asking for a way to prevent pregnancy from her because she thought she was being judged. That's why I mentioned the whole "judgment" thing because judging is separate from sabotaging
 
2013-10-07 11:10:06 AM

Bigdogdaddy: I exposed myself to a nurse at the doctor's office.  Was there to get a shot in the ass, had lose cargo shorts and went commando.  I forgot about the keys, cell phone, Nintendo DS, change, wallet in them.  I undid my belt and the pants slipped out my fingers and fell to the floor.  I figured, oh well, too late now.  I'm glad she was a nurse with a sense of humor and not one that was all offended by it.


I'm sure she's seen similar things before.

Pincy: My GP is female and not entirely unattractive. She's married with a couple of kids, I'm married with a couple of kids, It's just not an issue for the most part. Though the prostate check is, err, uncomfortable.

I'm sure all the women who have to go through a pelvic exam every year are playing their violins for you.


Pelvic exams involve sticking fingers into a place things are meant to enter.  Prostate checks involve sticking fingers where they aren't meant to go.

razyjean: I have a question for the ladies: do you prefer a male or female OB/GYN?

I prefer female, because they have the same parts as I do and are more inclined to respect the sensitive nature of the area (plus, I had one male Dr. that made me feel kind of uncomfortable; like he enjoyed giving the exam just a little too much).

My mother-in-law says that only a man should look at a woman's parts. I honestly didn't even know how to respond to that. I tried explaining my views, but it was like talking to a puppy, blank stare and all (like she couldn't comprehend the words I was speaking).


My wife most definitely wants a female gyn.  The ob part is moot.
 
2013-10-07 11:13:46 AM

Graffito: LiberalConservative: Evolutions is a biatch. Men seem to be programmed to grope while women seem rather gropable (and perhaps get to select who gropes them). And anyhow, what about all the wanted/appreciated gropes?

If it's wanted it's called a caress.  A grope means that it is unwanted.

If men are so unable to control themselves maybe we should round them up and place them in special camps.   Don't you think that  labelling men as out-of-control assholes is an insult to men?


But there's the problem; one does not know if the outcome is grope or caress (yeah, yeah, baring certain "situations"). The groper only has to successfully caress once in 10 (20, 50, 100?) to make such an attempt a worthwhile endevour at a shot of passing on their genetic material...
Perhaps men who are non-out-of-control-assholes are simply controlling themselves just so that they can employ an alternate method (pickup line, warm hello, offer to buy a drink, etc) enabling a shot at passing on their genetic material simply because they believe that would provide a greater chance than a grope/caress attempt? Couldn't that also be considered assholish, and thus insulting to men also. Hmm... maybe you are right about those special camps.
 
2013-10-07 11:20:58 AM

doloresonthedottedline: Believe it or not, the sleep doctor was the absolute last specialist I saw. After a neurosurgeon, endocrinologist, cardiologist, psychiatrist, neurologist.. Apparently doctors don't realize that, past a certain point, most people don't distinguish between sleepiness and fatigue.


Oh man... And a big nod of sympathy to you, and happiness that someone finally figured it out. Not getting enough sleep is one of those problems that completely changes your life.
 
2013-10-07 11:30:06 AM

ladyfortuna: razyjean: My mother-in-law says that only a man should look at a woman's parts. I honestly didn't even know how to respond to that. I tried explaining my views, but it was like talking to a puppy, blank stare and all (like she couldn't comprehend the words I was speaking).

My current Gyno is a near-retirement tiny Chinese man which is amusing to me since I'm 5'8". I was a little nervous at first but he's completely harmless and very nice. In fact the only thing that's weird about it is he is very much pro-baby so it took a while to convince him that yes, hysterectomy was how I wanted to fix the endometriosis since the other treatment didn't work. The waiting room is a little intimidating, because he's probably delivered 500+ babies and they're all on the walls.


Just don't drink If he offers you a coke.

Glad you got your hysterectomy.  My wife spent almost 2 years bleeding with endo and a benign 5 inch tumor before hers got approved.  Had to drag her in barely conscious to ER a least once every few months to get an A Pos refill.  They asked to keep the tumor for education.  And thanks goes out to you farkers that give blood.  That surgery and last year of her dealing with it was the first time we actually went over our $10K deductible.  Worth every penny.  They cut her from hip to hip.
 
2013-10-07 12:14:56 PM
and here I was planning a trip to Australia...
 
2013-10-07 12:38:21 PM

nanim: and here I was planning a trip to Australia...


Honestly I wouldn't even bother. Soelden does not even have enough snow to ski on the peaks yet, and Gstaad is so much nicer, albeit a bit more expensive, to ski and stay at. Plus you won't have to worry about dingoes eating your babies.
 
2013-10-07 12:42:30 PM
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Your really going to mess with someone with lots of these and knows how to use them?
 
2013-10-07 01:44:11 PM
If a hot chick grabs my junk, then tells me to turn my head and cough, the natural & expected reaction she gets from a certain part of me will be the same whether she went to med school or not. And I guess I'd have to ask, in this case who is harassing whom?
 
2013-10-07 02:07:42 PM

Bathysphere: basemetal: And if the docs have it bad, think about the abuse of the poor souls in retail sales and service.

I've been groped a few times at work. The last time it happened, I received a lecture from upper management about how I should have screamed or ran to find a supervisor. Yep, I'm totally gonna do that when the groper is some elderly man and there's tons of customers around. My main priority at the time was to get away as fast as I could, otherwise I just shut down.


That's one response type of four identified. In other words? Whoever said that was an idiot.
 
2013-10-07 02:33:24 PM
Still no word on whether they were hot or not.
 
2013-10-07 02:44:16 PM
Jeez if I like a woman no matter the position I would just openly say it. If the woman says no or that she is married, I leave it alone and try to keep it professional. Why tease about it?
 
2013-10-07 03:33:32 PM

stuffy: [ts4.mm.bing.net image 255x183]
Your really going to mess with someone with lots of these and knows how to use them?


Mess with her at your own risk

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2013-10-07 03:38:25 PM

fusillade762: I really wouldn't take the chance of pissing off my doctor. Could end up getting prescribed something quite nasty.


This.  It's like being rude to your waiter...you never know WHAT will end up inside you.
 
2013-10-07 07:27:53 PM

doglover: Smackledorfer: Bathysphere: Smackledorfer: People who are groped complain, but I think they would prefer it to being ungropably unattractive.

Grass is always greener.

/got groped when I was a waiter
//there was lots of groping all around.

What if you were so unattractive that you were only groped by people in your league. Now that would suck.

Groping doesn't work that way.

As a nonconsentual act, everyone gropes up.

With the exception of weirdos and alcohol.

Of course as an 18 y.o. man, with virtual rape immunity (to women), having a few ladies touch me in places was quite a lot better than school, where even my imagination involved girls wanting little to do with me :)

You got "friend-zoned" by your own imagination!?


Dammit, now I'm choking on my Hot Cheetos...!

/really
 
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