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2013-10-07 01:28:05 AM  

ciberido: doglover: Men get groped at work, too. Probably as often or even more because we're not allowed to complain about it.

I know, right?  We should really work to repeal all those laws criminalizing men reporting sexual harassment.


Mores aren's just eels, you know.
 
2013-10-07 01:29:48 AM  
ciberido:

It's sad and pathetic that you actually believe that.

It's sad and pathetic that you think that I think that you think that I think you think I think you actually believe that.
 
2013-10-07 01:37:08 AM  

doglover: mr lawson: troggy: I've never understood why having Dr. before your name or ,M.D. after is supposed to confer automatic societal respect. Medical doctors are the biological equivalent of car mechanics and IT monkeys.

simple...one can live with a car or a computer that's broke. Not so much with a body that is broken.

But the mechanic actually has to know something. The IT guy has to be able to fix things. Machines don't fix themselves. Bodies do. A general practitioner only has to know a handful of drug names to make you feel better while you heal and how to say "I'm refering you to a specialist."


Sometimes. But then you get a patient like me who just says "I'm extremely tired all the time" and a few other odd things. Which specialist do you send me to?

Believe it or not, the sleep doctor was the absolute last specialist I saw. After a neurosurgeon, endocrinologist, cardiologist, psychiatrist, neurologist.. Apparently doctors don't realize that, past a certain point, most people don't distinguish between sleepiness and fatigue.

/the answer was narcolepsy
//studies show she sucked no more than most at diagnosing it
 
2013-10-07 01:46:32 AM  

Tchernobog: worlddan: troggy: I've never understood why having Dr. before your name or ,M.D. after is supposed to confer automatic societal respect. Medical doctors are the biological equivalent of car mechanics and IT monkeys.

The tread was being derailed in the other direction. If it rocks back and forth too much I might get see sick.

Go see your mechanic for that.  He can prescribe you something.


That's almost an argument for legal drugs. I agree wholeheartedly.

Dramamine is OTC though, nearly unregulated. It would relieve his "see sickness" at the suggested dose and give him a pretty nasty disassociative trip at doses much higher.

In a sane world he'd be allowed to stop by his local pharmacy on his way home and pick up a proper disassociative like ketamine along with maybe a bit of LSD.

He'd wake up the next morning,look in the mirror,and realize how silly it was to take the consumerist bullshiat culture he's been spoonfed since birth seriously. The way a few milligrams of one chemical and micrograms of another shattered his previously accepted reality would be echoed on his now sober, tired,and disheveled face.

His urge to buy shiat he doesn't need would vanish along with his compulsory trust of folks wearing white coats, expensive suits, or badges over body armor.

So that will never happen.
 
2013-10-07 01:50:59 AM  

Chariset: I've read a lot of stories from emergency room doctors needing to let off steam. Apparently sexual harassment  from the (drunk/stoned/stupid) patients is common, but so are four-point restraints and a nice dose of Haldol.


Shoot a feller could have a good weekend in Vegas with all that
 
2013-10-07 01:57:34 AM  
People, let's not lose sight of the most significant fact here: this study took place in Australia.  Of course there's going to be a lot more sexual harrassment.
 
2013-10-07 02:03:29 AM  
Look, when is the last time *you* were asked to drop trou and had a finger poked in your butt? If that's not an invitation to flirt I don't know what is!

/like my doc, but I don't like him *that* much
//he's a crummy kisser
///let's see how many idiots think I'm serious, shall we?
 
2013-10-07 02:09:28 AM  

doglover: You got "friend-zoned" by your own imagination!?


Friendzoning would have been an improvement.

/was not a happy teenager :)
 
2013-10-07 02:22:52 AM  
I exposed myself to a nurse at the doctor's office.  Was there to get a shot in the ass, had lose cargo shorts and went commando.  I forgot about the keys, cell phone, Nintendo DS, change, wallet in them.  I undid my belt and the pants slipped out my fingers and fell to the floor.  I figured, oh well, too late now.  I'm glad she was a nurse with a sense of humor and not one that was all offended by it.
 
2013-10-07 02:36:59 AM  

doglover: Men get groped at work, too. Probably as often or even more because we're not allowed to complain about it.


Doesn't count if you are groping yourself dude.
 
2013-10-07 02:37:28 AM  
Are GPs really 'respected and valued'? I have no idea if this is the case in Australia, but in the UK they're frequently the doctors who came bottom in their class and are little more than the irritation you have to get past to get to a real doctor.
 
2013-10-07 02:43:12 AM  

Mr. Eugenides: Though the prostate check is, err, uncomfortable.


No. Really?

Uncomfortable as it may be, in my experience,
a) no female physician has clamped a fake hand on my right shoulder. *shudder*
2) no female physician has acted with less than professional demeanor during a prostate exam. (see a above)
iii) no female physician has had larger fingers than any male physician who performed a prostate exam on me.

That's all I have to say about that.
 
2013-10-07 02:45:57 AM  

Mr. Eugenides: Abox: I've only seen one chick doctor and that was for strep throat.  She prescribed antibiotics without even taking a throat swab...I thought that was weird and I never went back to her.

My GP is female and not entirely unattractive.  She's married with a couple of kids, I'm married with a couple of kids, It's just not an issue for the most part.  Though the prostate check is, err, uncomfortable.


I'm sure all the women who have to go through a pelvic exam every year are playing their violins for you.
 
2013-10-07 02:59:28 AM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: Mr. Eugenides: Though the prostate check is, err, uncomfortable.

No. Really?

Uncomfortable as it may be, in my experience,
a) no female physician has clamped a fake hand on my right shoulder. *shudder*
2) no female physician has acted with less than professional demeanor during a prostate exam. (see a above)
iii) no female physician has had larger fingers than any male physician who performed a prostate exam on me.

That's all I have to say about that.


Yeah, it's not *physically* uncomfortable.
 
2013-10-07 03:02:52 AM  

Pincy: Mr. Eugenides: Abox: I've only seen one chick doctor and that was for strep throat.  She prescribed antibiotics without even taking a throat swab...I thought that was weird and I never went back to her.

My GP is female and not entirely unattractive.  She's married with a couple of kids, I'm married with a couple of kids, It's just not an issue for the most part.  Though the prostate check is, err, uncomfortable.

I'm sure all the women who have to go through a pelvic exam every year are playing their violins for you.


I'm sure Mrs. Eugenides agrees. with you.  Something, something, episiotomy  something.
 
2013-10-07 03:03:21 AM  

Pincy: Mr. Eugenides: Abox: I've only seen one chick doctor and that was for strep throat.  She prescribed antibiotics without even taking a throat swab...I thought that was weird and I never went back to her.

My GP is female and not entirely unattractive.  She's married with a couple of kids, I'm married with a couple of kids, It's just not an issue for the most part.  Though the prostate check is, err, uncomfortable.

I'm sure all the women who have to go through a pelvic exam every year are playing their violins for you.


Indeed. Especially when they forget the lubricant for the speculum.

/not kidding even a little bit.
//it was just that once, thank god
 
2013-10-07 03:23:49 AM  
Menopause does wonders for sexual harassment, unless you're Andrea Merkel.
 
2013-10-07 03:28:09 AM  
Only 41 instances of the word "grope"?  We are slipping, people!  Let's get with the program!
Back to the gropefest...
 
2013-10-07 03:42:14 AM  

doloresonthedottedline: Sometimes. But then you get a patient like me who just says "I'm extremely tired all the time" and a few other odd things. Which specialist do you send me to?

Believe it or not, the sleep doctor was the absolute last specialist I saw. After a neurosurgeon, endocrinologist, cardiologist, psychiatrist, neurologist.. Apparently doctors don't realize that, past a certain point, most people don't distinguish between sleepiness and fatigue.



That just proves my point. You just send them to specialists in any old order. Tired? A -ologist. No? B- ologist, C-ologist. They'll get help or die sometime during the process.
 
2013-10-07 03:43:45 AM  

ladyfortuna: Pincy: Mr. Eugenides: Abox: I've only seen one chick doctor and that was for strep throat.  She prescribed antibiotics without even taking a throat swab...I thought that was weird and I never went back to her.

My GP is female and not entirely unattractive.  She's married with a couple of kids, I'm married with a couple of kids, It's just not an issue for the most part.  Though the prostate check is, err, uncomfortable.

I'm sure all the women who have to go through a pelvic exam every year are playing their violins for you.

Indeed. Especially when they forget the lubricant for the speculum.

/not kidding even a little bit.
//it was just that once, thank god


You poor thing!


I have a question for the ladies: do you prefer a male or female OB/GYN?

I prefer female, because they have the same parts as I do and are more inclined to respect the sensitive nature of the area (plus, I had one male Dr. that made me feel kind of uncomfortable; like he enjoyed giving the exam just a little too much).

My mother-in-law says that only a man should look at a woman's parts.  I honestly didn't even know how to respond to that.  I tried explaining my views, but it was like talking to a puppy, blank stare and all (like she couldn't comprehend the words I was speaking).
 
2013-10-07 03:53:58 AM  

Mr. Eugenides: Abox: I've only seen one chick doctor and that was for strep throat.  She prescribed antibiotics without even taking a throat swab...I thought that was weird and I never went back to her.

My GP is female and not entirely unattractive.  She's married with a couple of kids, I'm married with a couple of kids, It's just not an issue for the most part.  Though the prostate check is, err, uncomfortable.


She probably didn't mind the first few times, but asking for a prostate check every fifteen minutes during a routine physical is a bit over the top.
 
2013-10-07 04:00:31 AM  
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2013-10-07 04:03:25 AM  

razyjean: ladyfortuna: Pincy: Mr. Eugenides: Abox: I've only seen one chick doctor and that was for strep throat.  She prescribed antibiotics without even taking a throat swab...I thought that was weird and I never went back to her.

My GP is female and not entirely unattractive.  She's married with a couple of kids, I'm married with a couple of kids, It's just not an issue for the most part.  Though the prostate check is, err, uncomfortable.

I'm sure all the women who have to go through a pelvic exam every year are playing their violins for you.

Indeed. Especially when they forget the lubricant for the speculum.

/not kidding even a little bit.
//it was just that once, thank god

You poor thing!


I have a question for the ladies: do you prefer a male or female OB/GYN?

I prefer female, because they have the same parts as I do and are more inclined to respect the sensitive nature of the area (plus, I had one male Dr. that made me feel kind of uncomfortable; like he enjoyed giving the exam just a little too much).

My mother-in-law says that only a man should look at a woman's parts.  I honestly didn't even know how to respond to that.  I tried explaining my views, but it was like talking to a puppy, blank stare and all (like she couldn't comprehend the words I was speaking).


I've not been to an OB/GYN -- being a guy and all -- but my girlfriend is thinking about switching from a female to a male. She doesn't feel too comfortably getting a BC prescription from a women who is "pregnant every time I see her." Then again, I don't know if there is any actual judgment or a just a figment of her imagination. I mean, you know how crazy women are...
 
2013-10-07 04:06:09 AM  

ciberido: worlddan: ickory-smoked:

Yes, men are allowed to complain about harassment.

If a man sexually harasses a woman it's the man fault.
If a woman sexually harasses a man then it's the man's fault.
If a man sexually harasses a man then it's a man's fault.
If a woman sexually harasses a woman heads explode.

It's sad and pathetic that you actually believe that.


How else would he be able to feel OUTRAAAAAGED! about everything?
 
2013-10-07 04:40:36 AM  
Dude, not in my house.  Doctors are figures of authority.
 
2013-10-07 04:51:24 AM  
I'd rather see male gyno. They don't know what it's like having lady parts, so I find them to be more gentle and respectful.
 
2013-10-07 05:09:23 AM  

Bathysphere: I'd rather see male gyno. They don't know what it's like having lady parts, so I find them to be more gentle and respectful.


This ladies and gentlemen is the first and sadly probably last ever honest comment by a female on the entire internets.
 
2013-10-07 05:09:46 AM  
razyjean:

I have a question for the ladies: do you prefer a male or female OB/GYN?

I prefer female, because they have the same parts as I do and are more inclined to respect the sensitive nature of the area (plus, I had one male Dr. that made me feel kind of uncomfortable; like he enjoyed giving the exam just a little too much).

My mother-in-law says that only a man should look at a woman's parts.  I honestly didn't even know how to respond to that.  I tried explaining my views, but it was like talking to a puppy, blank stare and all (like she couldn't comprehend the words I was speaking).


female. mainly because I would mistrust the motivations of any man who wanted to be a gynaecologist
 
2013-10-07 05:12:26 AM  

doglover: Men get groped at work, too. Probably as often or even more because we're not allowed to complain about it.


Bullshiat.
 
2013-10-07 05:12:46 AM  

THE GREAT NAME: Bathysphere: I'd rather see male gyno. They don't know what it's like having lady parts, so I find them to be more gentle and respectful.

This ladies and gentlemen is the first and sadly probably last ever honest comment by a female on the entire internets.


Wait what? I'm pretty honest on the intertubes.
 
2013-10-07 05:18:44 AM  

Bathysphere: THE GREAT NAME: Bathysphere: I'd rather see male gyno. They don't know what it's like having lady parts, so I find them to be more gentle and respectful.

This ladies and gentlemen is the first and sadly probably last ever honest comment by a female on the entire internets.

Wait what? I'm pretty honest on the intertubes.


Some people should have their intertubes tied.
 
2013-10-07 05:42:28 AM  

aerojockey: People, let's not lose sight of the most significant fact here: this study took place in Australia.  Of course there's going to be a lot more sexual harrassment.


I don't get it. And I say so not defending Australia, as I'm under no illusion that we've got a particularly good record on the matter.
 
2013-10-07 05:43:38 AM  

redmid17: razyjean: ladyfortuna: Pincy: Mr. Eugenides: Abox: I've only seen one chick doctor and that was for strep throat.  She prescribed antibiotics without even taking a throat swab...I thought that was weird and I never went back to her.

My GP is female and not entirely unattractive.  She's married with a couple of kids, I'm married with a couple of kids, It's just not an issue for the most part.  Though the prostate check is, err, uncomfortable.

I'm sure all the women who have to go through a pelvic exam every year are playing their violins for you.

Indeed. Especially when they forget the lubricant for the speculum.

/not kidding even a little bit.
//it was just that once, thank god

You poor thing!


I have a question for the ladies: do you prefer a male or female OB/GYN?

I prefer female, because they have the same parts as I do and are more inclined to respect the sensitive nature of the area (plus, I had one male Dr. that made me feel kind of uncomfortable; like he enjoyed giving the exam just a little too much).

My mother-in-law says that only a man should look at a woman's parts.  I honestly didn't even know how to respond to that.  I tried explaining my views, but it was like talking to a puppy, blank stare and all (like she couldn't comprehend the words I was speaking).

I've not been to an OB/GYN -- being a guy and all -- but my girlfriend is thinking about switching from a female to a male. She doesn't feel too comfortably getting a BC prescription from a women who is "pregnant every time I see her." Then again, I don't know if there is any actual judgment or a just a figment of her imagination. I mean, you know how crazy women are...


How does she know she's pregnant and not fat? However, it's also odd to assume her birth control failed, if that's what your gf is implying. Some of the ladies who become OB/GYNs are the types who love pregnancy and children. Doesn't mean they're going to make YOU pregnant.
 
2013-10-07 05:53:03 AM  
THE GREAT NAME:
Bathysphere: I'd rather see male gyno. They don't know what it's like having lady parts, so I find them to be more gentle and respectful.

This ladies and gentlemen is the first and sadly probably last ever honest comment by a female on the entire internets.


Can add data point: my college GF reported that her female doctor basically jammed a cold speculum up there and said "buck up honey we all have to go through it".

Lady J:
I would mistrust the motivations of any man who wanted to be a gynaecologist

Yeah I'm sure they're all pervs.  Think for a second... most gyn's have to see some pretty ghastly vaginas in their day.  If I was planning on molesting my patients I would pick a specialty where they didn't show up with their crotch smelling like a dead carcass.
 
2013-10-07 06:08:01 AM  
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/Hide yo' wifes, hide yo' kids!
 
2013-10-07 06:08:26 AM  
Had a really hot woman doctor for my last work physical. It was starting to get up there.
 
2013-10-07 06:24:58 AM  

razyjean: ladyfortuna: Pincy: Mr. Eugenides: Abox: I've only seen one chick doctor and that was for strep throat.  She prescribed antibiotics without even taking a throat swab...I thought that was weird and I never went back to her.

My GP is female and not entirely unattractive.  She's married with a couple of kids, I'm married with a couple of kids, It's just not an issue for the most part.  Though the prostate check is, err, uncomfortable.

I'm sure all the women who have to go through a pelvic exam every year are playing their violins for you.

Indeed. Especially when they forget the lubricant for the speculum.

/not kidding even a little bit.
//it was just that once, thank god

You poor thing!


I have a question for the ladies: do you prefer a male or female OB/GYN?

I prefer female, because they have the same parts as I do and are more inclined to respect the sensitive nature of the area (plus, I had one male Dr. that made me feel kind of uncomfortable; like he enjoyed giving the exam just a little too much).

My mother-in-law says that only a man should look at a woman's parts.  I honestly didn't even know how to respond to that.  I tried explaining my views, but it was like talking to a puppy, blank stare and all (like she couldn't comprehend the words I was speaking).


I disagree with your reasoning that female gyno's are more delicate. I feel the exact opposite actually. I think because they share our pudendum, and must go through the same exams they feel as though they have a license to to be err.. less caring. Granted, I've only had two GYNs to draw this preference from. I very much prefer my male gyno to my last female doc, compared to her seeing him is like a spa day. No joke. Although, I do have a inkling that she was just an unusually horrible doctor and he is an A++, above average doc.
@ Lady J
I have no qualms with a man wanting to be a gyno. My doc actually said that he became a OBGYN because he felt that it was a "happy" medical field. He spoke about how being a general surgeon was an option, but he couldn't always fix a problem, and make the person happy. (EG installing a colostomy bag, fixed the issue, but the patient was less than thrilled) Delivering babies, helping women to plan for families, or avoid them, and making, what could be, an unpleasant experience a nice one does sound like a "happy" medical field!
Unless you're that evil, uncaring, heavy-handed witch I saw that just wants to crush delicate, sensitive, petite flowers /sniff. Oh, and happiness, I think she tried to crush my main source of it too.
 
2013-10-07 06:36:48 AM  
EStau:
I disagree with your reasoning that female gyno's are more delicate. I feel the exact opposite actually. I think because they share our pudendum, and must go through the same exams they feel as though they have a license to to be err.. less caring.

This is sexism, pure and simple.
 
2013-10-07 06:43:42 AM  

stratagos: Look, when is the last time *you* were asked to drop trou and had a finger poked in your butt? If that's not an invitation to flirt I don't know what is!

/like my doc, but I don't like him *that* much
//he's a crummy kisser
///let's see how many idiots think I'm serious, shall we?


That happened the last time I went to see the doc. Hey it was her idea.
 
2013-10-07 07:13:09 AM  
Having done two years of pharmacy residency at two different teaching hospitals and now working at a third, I've not ever met an unattractive medical resident, intern, or med student. Of either gender. I think that being beautiful is a prerequisite to med school admission. Trolls like me get to go to pharmacy school.

/not surprised people harass physicians
 
2013-10-07 07:32:57 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Men treat women like objects. Ric Romero reports.


Of course they do. Just look at the sentence structure:

Men treat women like objects.

Subject verb object (plus prepositional phrase or some such thing).
 
2013-10-07 07:36:34 AM  
I wouldn't say it is one of the most respected jobs (independent software dev), but I've been groped twice. I'm a dude and both were female managers/clients.  First time was a simple butt grab and a "You smell so good".  The other was a nibble on my ear from behind and a right hand over my crotch while I was sitting in a chair.  Both times I simply said "I'm married". 2nd time was tough though because she was extremely attractive.  I felt flattered instead of violated.  I figured they were just trolling for flings.
 
2013-10-07 07:41:13 AM  
Gotta love the old men's rights thread on the ole Fark
 
2013-10-07 07:48:53 AM  

ImmaHoopyFrood: I wouldn't say it is one of the most respected jobs (independent software dev), but I've been groped twice. I'm a dude and both were female managers/clients.  First time was a simple butt grab and a "You smell so good".  The other was a nibble on my ear from behind and a right hand over my crotch while I was sitting in a chair.  Both times I simply said "I'm married". 2nd time was tough though because she was extremely attractive.  I felt flattered instead of violated.  I figured they were just trolling for flings.


Hey - I was aiming for Fark! How the hell did I end up in Penthouse Letters??
 
2013-10-07 08:08:20 AM  
That depends on how far you stretch the definition of sexual harassment.  When the standard, "guy I didnt like looked at me for more than 1 second" is included, I could see these numbers being legit.
 
2013-10-07 08:14:23 AM  

Tat'dGreaser: Gotta love the old men's rights thread on the ole Fark


It's like when you come across a weird racist toy at an antiques store. It's oddly amusing at first, but ultimately sad.
 
2013-10-07 08:15:06 AM  

someonelse: It's like when you come across a weird racist toy at an antiques store. It's oddly amusing at first, but ultimately sad.


Ohhh well said
 
2013-10-07 08:16:02 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: ImmaHoopyFrood: I wouldn't say it is one of the most respected jobs (independent software dev), but I've been groped twice. I'm a dude and both were female managers/clients.  First time was a simple butt grab and a "You smell so good".  The other was a nibble on my ear from behind and a right hand over my crotch while I was sitting in a chair.  Both times I simply said "I'm married". 2nd time was tough though because she was extremely attractive.  I felt flattered instead of violated.  I figured they were just trolling for flings.

Hey - I was aiming for Fark! How the hell did I end up in Penthouse Letters??


Totally true, unlike letters.  And this was after I left a consulting firm and went out on my own because of disagreements in corporate culture.  After my 2 years with the firm at the Christmas dance/party my drunk ass manager made my wife cry when he tried to feel her up.  Said he didn't remember doing it.  The people that moved up in the firm were the ones that attended the special swinger parties.  I never participated in the fall "Hay Ride" or the "After Christmas Party".  The place was like a cult.  We had monthly required meetings in hotels that were catered.  When someone left they had a little "This person is dead to us" ceremony, and let everyone know that if they saw this person working at any client that was on their list to report it for potential legal action.
 
2013-10-07 08:22:23 AM  

someonelse: Tat'dGreaser: Gotta love the old men's rights thread on the ole Fark

It's like when you come across a weird racist toy at an antiques store. It's oddly amusing at first, but ultimately sad.


So, you find racism amusing? You vile specimin.
 
2013-10-07 08:26:51 AM  

fusillade762: doglover: Men get groped at work, too. Probably as often or even more because we're not allowed to complain about it.

I've never been groped at work.


Me neither.  Being unattractive and oblivious to social cues does have its advantages at times.
 
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