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(Abc.net.au)   Spending over a decade studying and training to attain one of the most respected and valued jobs around still won't prevent you getting groped on the job if you are a woman   (abc.net.au) divider line 132
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2013-10-06 09:02:15 PM  
I really wouldn't take the chance of pissing off my doctor. Could end up getting prescribed something quite nasty.
 
2013-10-06 09:34:02 PM  
That's what they get for being attractive and within a 10 foot radius.  If they didn't want to be sexually harassed they'd be unattractive and further away
 
2013-10-06 09:43:16 PM  
I've read a lot of stories from emergency room doctors needing to let off steam. Apparently sexual harassment  from the (drunk/stoned/stupid) patients is common, but so are four-point restraints and a nice dose of Haldol.
 
2013-10-06 09:46:32 PM  
Men get groped at work, too. Probably as often or even more because we're not allowed to complain about it.
 
2013-10-06 09:53:22 PM  
Yeah, when you treat the public, you find out just how mean and disrespectful the public has gotten.
 
2013-10-06 09:55:18 PM  
And if the docs have it bad, think about the abuse of the poor souls in retail sales and service.
 
2013-10-06 10:10:49 PM  

doglover: Men get groped at work, too. Probably as often or even more because we're not allowed to complain about it.


I've never been groped at work.
 
2013-10-06 10:22:32 PM  
You'd think they'd be more forgiving about the biology involved.
 
2013-10-06 10:29:41 PM  

fusillade762: I really wouldn't take the chance of pissing off my doctor. Could end up getting prescribed something quite nasty.


Or getting jabbed with something sharp.
 
2013-10-06 10:31:01 PM  

fusillade762: doglover: Men get groped at work, too. Probably as often or even more because we're not allowed to complain about it.

I've never been groped at work.


Me either.  I've been waiting for years and nada.
 
2013-10-06 10:32:10 PM  
Thirty per cent of those surveyed reported that they were touched or grabbed during consultations, with 36 per cent having been subjected to gender-based remarks


This probably is a big issue for women doctors, I couldn't find with a 30 second google search any data about male doctors having this problem, still, I bet at least some do.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-10-06 10:32:31 PM  

Bucky Katt: fusillade762: I really wouldn't take the chance of pissing off my doctor. Could end up getting prescribed something quite nasty.

Or getting jabbed with something sharp.


And then my doctor said, "You're going to feel a little prick".
 
2013-10-06 10:49:27 PM  
Men treat women like objects. Ric Romero reports.
 
2013-10-07 12:04:19 AM  

Bucky Katt: fusillade762: doglover: Men get groped at work, too. Probably as often or even more because we're not allowed to complain about it.

I've never been groped at work.

Me either.  I've been waiting for years and nada.



Maybe one of those rape whistles will help.
 
2013-10-07 12:04:36 AM  
I blame porn:
lh3.ggpht.com
 
2013-10-07 12:05:35 AM  
descendants of those who raped as they pleased for a large chunk of history behave this way? i'm shocked.
 
2013-10-07 12:05:36 AM  
My first thought was that the nurses have been getting it worse for far longer... but hey, now that it's happening to "important people" they can get all angry about it.
 
2013-10-07 12:06:14 AM  
reminds me of my last physical.
I ended up with a young resident.
not a bad looking woman at all.
at the end she got  a bit weird as she asked if there was anything else.
I said no. then she she hemmed and hawed and then finally said: "most men want me to check their prostate"
Something about the way she said that made me feel really sorry for her.
so I lied and told her "No, I'm good. Maybe next time"
 
2013-10-07 12:06:20 AM  

doglover: Men get groped at work, too. Probably as often or even more because we're not allowed to complain about it.


I can't tell if you're just amusing yourself or you actually believe that.

Yes, men are allowed to complain about harassment.
 
2013-10-07 12:09:39 AM  
doglover: Men get groped at work, too. Probably as often or even more because we don't we're not allowed to complain about it.

FTFY
 
2013-10-07 12:09:59 AM  

doglover: Men get groped at work, too. Probably as often or even more because we're not allowed to complain about it.


Well then sexy this is for you : )
Right Said Fred - I`m Too Sexy
 
2013-10-07 12:13:25 AM  
Sexual harassment is about abusing an imbalance of power between two parties. Generally the doctor is considered to be the one with the power in the relationship so unless the harasser is an employer it's unlikely to meet the legal definition of sexual harassment.
 
2013-10-07 12:13:46 AM  
ickory-smoked:

Yes, men are allowed to complain about harassment.

If a man sexually harasses a woman it's the man fault.
If a woman sexually harasses a man then it's the man's fault.
If a man sexually harasses a man then it's a man's fault.
If a woman sexually harasses a woman heads explode.
 
2013-10-07 12:14:01 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-10-07 12:14:09 AM  

Hickory-smoked: doglover: Men get groped at work, too. Probably as often or even more because we're not allowed to complain about it.

I can't tell if you're just amusing yourself or you actually believe that.

Yes, men are allowed to complain about harassment.


Men are allowed to complain of course, but they tend to be treated like lesser beings for reporting it.

"Big strong man got harrased by a weak woman? Poor baby, go cry and fill out a report, we'll look into it if we feel like it."

I have seen this before, this kind of reaction to a guy trying to get help.
 
2013-10-07 12:16:44 AM  
Oh, and sorry I couldn't resist : )
 
2013-10-07 12:16:55 AM  

doglover: Men get groped at work, too. Probably as often or even more because we're not allowed to complain about it.


You're allowed to complain about. I know men who have done just that. There were no reprisals, either.
 
2013-10-07 12:18:43 AM  
I've only seen one chick doctor and that was for strep throat.  She prescribed antibiotics without even taking a throat swab...I thought that was weird and I never went back to her.
 
2013-10-07 12:22:51 AM  

Abox: I've only seen one chick doctor and that was for strep throat.  She prescribed antibiotics without even taking a throat swab...I thought that was weird and I never went back to her.


My GP is female and not entirely unattractive.  She's married with a couple of kids, I'm married with a couple of kids, It's just not an issue for the most part.  Though the prostate check is, err, uncomfortable.
 
2013-10-07 12:23:47 AM  
I've never understood why having Dr. before your name or ,M.D. after is supposed to confer automatic societal respect. Medical doctors are the biological equivalent of car mechanics and IT monkeys.
 
2013-10-07 12:26:34 AM  
It's almost as though when you strip away the textbooks and degrees and job titles and workplace etiquette, we're animals or something.
 
2013-10-07 12:27:43 AM  

troggy: I've never understood why having Dr. before your name or ,M.D. after is supposed to confer automatic societal respect. Medical doctors are the biological equivalent of car mechanics and IT monkeys.


The tread was being derailed in the other direction. If it rocks back and forth too much I might get see sick.
 
2013-10-07 12:41:50 AM  
Male doctor here, have been "sexually harassed" by a couple of female patients now that I think about it. Don't really care, it's kinda funny when a wrinkly, old lady wants to be completely inappropriate with me. I could see how it would be different for females though. The tricky part (for me anyway) is rebuffing the patient without pissing them off.

A woman working at the VA hospital will get hit on by the vets more than any situation I've ever seen though. Literally more than a scantily clad woman at a singles' bar. It's insane.
 
2013-10-07 12:42:51 AM  

basemetal: And if the docs have it bad, think about the abuse of the poor souls in retail sales and service.


I've been groped a few times at work. The last time it happened, I received a lecture from upper management about how I should have screamed or ran to find a supervisor. Yep, I'm totally gonna do that when the groper is some elderly man and there's tons of customers around. My main priority at the time was to get away as fast as I could, otherwise I just shut down.
 
2013-10-07 12:47:48 AM  
People who are groped complain, but I think they would prefer it to being ungropably unattractive.

Grass is always greener.

/got groped when I was a waiter
//there was lots of groping all around.
 
2013-10-07 12:48:31 AM  

worlddan: troggy: I've never understood why having Dr. before your name or ,M.D. after is supposed to confer automatic societal respect. Medical doctors are the biological equivalent of car mechanics and IT monkeys.

The tread was being derailed in the other direction. If it rocks back and forth too much I might get see sick.


Go see your mechanic for that.  He can prescribe you something.
 
2013-10-07 12:49:25 AM  

troggy: I've never understood why having Dr. before your name or ,M.D. after is supposed to confer automatic societal respect. Medical doctors are the biological equivalent of car mechanics and IT monkeys.


simple...one can live with a car or a computer that's broke. Not so much with a body that is broken.
 
2013-10-07 12:53:26 AM  
Evolutions is a biatch. Men seem to be programmed to grope while women seem rather gropable (and perhaps get to select who gropes them). And anyhow, what about all the wanted/appreciated gropes?
 
2013-10-07 12:53:39 AM  

doglover: Men get groped at work, too. Probably as often or even more because we're not allowed to complain about it.


When I was putting  myself through University as a Surgical Tech one of the Nurse Anesthetists not only groped me, but hit on me and thoroughly expressed her interest in (cough) exploring one another's anatomy. And after getting herself a sizable handful of (cough) of my sensitive area a circulating nurse took me home one night after our shift to (cough) cook me dinner, but that was spoiled by her shooting her ex-husband in the (R) shoulder. Through the front door. As he was trying to break it in.

So, it happens. I learned to live with it.

"-)

/true
 
2013-10-07 12:54:50 AM  

Smackledorfer: People who are groped complain, but I think they would prefer it to being ungropably unattractive.

Grass is always greener.

/got groped when I was a waiter
//there was lots of groping all around.


But being groped by sick people with broken bodies is a bit over the top.

You need to thrown in hazard pay and vinyl hazmat suits into the mix.
 
2013-10-07 12:55:53 AM  

mr lawson: troggy: I've never understood why having Dr. before your name or ,M.D. after is supposed to confer automatic societal respect. Medical doctors are the biological equivalent of car mechanics and IT monkeys.

simple...one can live with a car or a computer that's broke. Not so much with a body that is broken.


But the mechanic actually has to know something. The IT guy has to be able to fix things. Machines don't fix themselves. Bodies do. A general practitioner only has to know a handful of drug names to make you feel better while you heal and how to say "I'm refering you to a specialist."
 
2013-10-07 01:00:55 AM  

Smackledorfer: People who are groped complain, but I think they would prefer it to being ungropably unattractive.

Grass is always greener.

/got groped when I was a waiter
//there was lots of groping all around.


What if you were so unattractive that you were only groped by people in your league. Now that would suck.
 
2013-10-07 01:08:26 AM  
Article says nothing about anyone being groped.
 
2013-10-07 01:13:57 AM  

Bathysphere: Smackledorfer: People who are groped complain, but I think they would prefer it to being ungropably unattractive.

Grass is always greener.

/got groped when I was a waiter
//there was lots of groping all around.

What if you were so unattractive that you were only groped by people in your league. Now that would suck.


Groping doesn't work that way.

As a nonconsentual act, everyone gropes up.

With the exception of weirdos and alcohol.

Of course as an 18 y.o. man, with virtual rape immunity (to women), having a few ladies touch me in places was quite a lot better than school, where even my imagination involved girls wanting little to do with me :)
 
2013-10-07 01:16:56 AM  

Smackledorfer: Bathysphere: Smackledorfer: People who are groped complain, but I think they would prefer it to being ungropably unattractive.

Grass is always greener.

/got groped when I was a waiter
//there was lots of groping all around.

What if you were so unattractive that you were only groped by people in your league. Now that would suck.

Groping doesn't work that way.

As a nonconsentual act, everyone gropes up.

With the exception of weirdos and alcohol.

Of course as an 18 y.o. man, with virtual rape immunity (to women), having a few ladies touch me in places was quite a lot better than school, where even my imagination involved girls wanting little to do with me :)


You got "friend-zoned" by your own imagination!?
 
2013-10-07 01:17:13 AM  

Chariset: I've read a lot of stories from emergency room doctors needing to let off steam. Apparently sexual harassment from the (drunk/stoned/stupid) patients is common, but so are four-point restraints and a nice dose of Haldol.


Yeah, that was my first thought on reading it--how many of the harassers are unimpaired?
 
2013-10-07 01:19:31 AM  
How is this not 100%? Patients will grope you. Patients will masturbate in the room. Patients will talk to people who are not there. And that's just Tuesday.
Nurses put up with this bullshiat all the time.

People do odd thing when they are sick/drugged up and/or dying.
 
2013-10-07 01:20:59 AM  

doglover: Men get groped at work, too. Probably as often or even more because we're not allowed to complain about it.


I know, right?  We should really work to repeal all those laws criminalizing men reporting sexual harassment.
 
2013-10-07 01:21:54 AM  

troggy: I've never understood why having Dr. before your name or ,M.D. after is supposed to confer automatic societal respect. Medical doctors are the biological equivalent of car mechanics and IT monkeys.


3/10

Actually... 6/10. You've got a few good chunks of bait on that hook.
 
2013-10-07 01:24:27 AM  

worlddan: ickory-smoked:

Yes, men are allowed to complain about harassment.

If a man sexually harasses a woman it's the man fault.
If a woman sexually harasses a man then it's the man's fault.
If a man sexually harasses a man then it's a man's fault.
If a woman sexually harasses a woman heads explode.


It's sad and pathetic that you actually believe that.
 
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