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(USA Today)   Healthcare.gov works great if you take away all those damn people wanting to sign up for it, says the Chief Technology Officer in charge of the site."These bugs were functions of volume,'' Park said. "Take away the volume and it works.''   (usatoday.com ) divider line
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2013-10-06 12:18:16 PM  
5 votes:
People fail to understand the difficulty involved with providing enough server capacity for something like that.  Especially considering that within a week or two, you won't need half or more of the capacity that you would've liked to have had at launch.  So, although it looks kind of bad at start, just like with GTA Online, traffic will eventually level out, and things will be "normal".
2013-10-06 12:09:35 PM  
4 votes:
I spent 3 days trying to create an account and was finally able to do so. Two days later, I still haven't been able to log in.

The Obamacare defenders dismiss the failures of the website forgetting :

We have to buy insurance by 12/15 or else. Else what? Whatif you don't pay the fine?

The government compared the failure to apples I phone. We aren't required to buy an iPhone

The insurance isn't affordable or free. If. However, I could log in, I would find out if the subsidy calculator estimate of $19000 with a $12000 out of pocket is accurate or not.
2013-10-06 02:07:21 PM  
3 votes:

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I'm not saying anything. I'm asking a question which so far no one has been able to answer.


If you're too poor, you get Medicaid. If you don't qualify for Medicaid because you make too much, you get subsidies to pay for insurance through the ACA. The less money you make, the bigger the subsidy.
2013-10-06 01:52:25 PM  
3 votes:

TuteTibiImperes: If anything this just shows how wildly popular the ACA is, so while it's inconvenient, it's a good sign.


So you force people to join by threat of penalty, and this you call interest.

LOL you liberals are farked in the head
2013-10-06 01:43:36 PM  
3 votes:
Explain what is load testing and why did no one bother to do any serious load testing.
2013-10-06 12:59:05 PM  
3 votes:
If anything this just shows how wildly popular the ACA is, so while it's inconvenient, it's a good sign.
2013-10-06 02:56:46 PM  
2 votes:
i.imgur.com
2013-10-06 02:46:58 PM  
2 votes:

Ivo Shandor: Amazon figured it out a while ago. If they aren't allowed to use commercial services, then maybe they could sweet-talk the NSA into lending them a few hundred racks of servers.


People just throw out Amazon's cloud like it's a silver bullet that can magically and automatically take care of any server workload with minimal cost and effort.

For one, all the data going through the exchanges is covered by HIPAA. This isn't a deal-breaker for cloud computing, but it's certainly not standard practice.

Second, people in the government know that they're going to be in this business for a long time. It's far more cost effective to manage their own server infrastructure than to lease it from a cloud provider in perpetuity, so a dedicated, local server infrastructure is a given. Then, you have the following problem: do you spend a ton of money to develop a cloud based system (which is difficult due to HIPAA constraints) alongside your local version, just so you can meet demand in the first two to four weeks? Or is it more sensible to just develop one version of your infrastructure and ask people to be patient during launch?

Let me put it this way: if the Republicans had OK'ed a bunch of spending to make sure that the health care exchanges run smoothly on day one, I'd have no problem complaining about this launch. Guess what really happened?
2013-10-06 02:37:21 PM  
2 votes:

iheartscotch: Here we are, 5 days later, and nobody has been able to even look at their options.


If by nobody, you mean the 13k Kentuckians who have applied and 6k who have enrolled then sure.

http://www.kentucky.com/2013/10/05/2861764/kentucky-emerges-as-key-p ol itical.html
2013-10-06 02:34:11 PM  
2 votes:

Lee451: I would be more impressed with Obamacare if Obama were the first one  sign up for it. Congress should have been the next 535 to sign up for it.


You do realize that Congress is obligated by law to use the exchange?
2013-10-06 02:16:01 PM  
2 votes:

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: DamnYankees: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I'm not saying anything. I'm asking a question which so far no one has been able to answer.

If you're too poor, you get Medicaid. If you don't qualify for Medicaid because you make too much, you get subsidies to pay for insurance through the ACA. The less money you make, the bigger the subsidy.

Hah. That sounds great. Do you know what the subsidies are for a person making $35k/year?

Hint: not nearly enough to afford the mandated private insurance.


You can file for an exception if the cost of the cheapest option available is still more than 8% of your yearly income.  That would be $2,800 for someone making $35k a year.
2013-10-06 02:13:57 PM  
2 votes:

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Silverstaff: TuteTibiImperes: If anything this just shows how wildly popular the ACA is, so while it's inconvenient, it's a good sign.

The Republican Talking Point is that entire storm of traffic to the exchanges was almost entirely the media and Congressional offices, because everyday people are rejecting them en-masse.

Then again, these are the same people who thought Unskewed Polls were the "real" way that the 2012 election would turn out, that global warming is "junk science", and that the Iraqi people would cheer us and celebrate us as liberators and the post-war occupation would be quick and easy.  They aren't known for the best working relationship with facts.

So... How is a minimum wage worker supposed to afford these private health plans?


Simple:

1. Medicaid expansion.  The ACA was designed to expand the number of low-income people covered by Medicaid.  A minimum wage job would generally be enough to get Medicaid under the ACA as written, so they wouldn't have to buy private insurance.

This didn't happen in a lot of Red States because it was the one place that Republicans won in court, saying that the Federal government couldn't force states to expand Medicaid coverage, so it's up to state governments to expand it if they choose.  So, they are supposed to get Medicaid, and in many states they can now get it when they couldn't before. . .but in some Red states they can't because Republicans thought it would be worth good political points to shoot holes in the ACA and pray that it fails rather than let the poor get healthcare.

2. Tax subsidies.  For those who would be above the line to get the expanded Medicaid.  The plans are heavily subsidized on a sliding scale, based on income and family size to make the plans affordable to low incomes.

These subsidies are paid for by taxes on medical devices & equipment.  Repeal this tax is another thing Republicans have tried to attach to the Continuing Resolution, which would basically make the ACA a net loss by getting rid of the tax that would fund it.

The ONLY way that somebody can't get affordable health insurance under the ACA now is if they live in a state where the state refuses to expand Medicaid as listed in the ACA, which they explicitly only do so they try to make it fail.
2013-10-06 02:13:44 PM  
2 votes:

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: DamnYankees: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I'm not saying anything. I'm asking a question which so far no one has been able to answer.

If you're too poor, you get Medicaid. If you don't qualify for Medicaid because you make too much, you get subsidies to pay for insurance through the ACA. The less money you make, the bigger the subsidy.

Hah. That sounds great. Do you know what the subsidies are for a person making $35k/year?

Hint: not nearly enough to afford the mandated private insurance.


You asked about a person making minimum wage.

Hint:  35k is not minimum wage.

Next question?
2013-10-06 02:11:00 PM  
2 votes:

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Hah. That sounds great. Do you know what the subsidies are for a person making $35k/year?

Hint: not nearly enough to afford the mandated private insurance.


So you know how it works, but still ask the question as though you don't know, and are upset other people don't answer your question as though its being asked in good faith?
2013-10-06 01:59:23 PM  
2 votes:
I've worked for software companies that produced software for use by the US government and I've worked at software companies that produced software for use by the private sector.  The differences were staggering and confirmed every stereotype about the government workers you've ever heard.  Utterly depressing.
2013-10-06 01:54:55 PM  
2 votes:
2013-10-06 01:54:09 PM  
2 votes:

netringer: rev. dave: Explain what is load testing and why did no one bother to do any serious load testing.

This is the load testing.  Doh.


They did say that they assumed a peak demand of twice Medicare.gov's all-time peak demand, which equates to 60,000 concurrent users. They said the demand has consistently been about 250,000 concurrent users.  The problem isn't the ability to handle expected load, the problem is that the expected load was far smaller than their current, actual load.

What they really should have done is to stagger the rollout based on something like last name or zip code, to smooth out the demand spikes.
2013-10-06 01:46:38 PM  
2 votes:

TuteTibiImperes: If anything this just shows how wildly popular the ACA is, so while it's inconvenient, it's a good sign.


Popular? 366 signed-up (some have not paid) in Rhode Island and 373 applications in Connecticut. http://www.wpri.com/news/politics/state-politics/healthsource-ri-obam a care-sign-up-total-at-366-so-far

Page views != paid signups. Just ask Drew.
2013-10-06 01:46:25 PM  
2 votes:

rev. dave: Explain what is load testing and why did no one bother to do any serious load testing.


This is the load testing.  Doh.
2013-10-06 01:46:06 PM  
2 votes:
And?  This is a fixable problem.

Plus if they did build up a huge infrastructure to handle the load perfectly from day one, people would be complaining it was overdesigned and too expensive.
2013-10-06 01:16:24 PM  
2 votes:
This IT farkup was actually part of the Republican strategy. I remember the Teabagger arguments for not creatinga state-run exchange, and in addition to the obvious point of refusing to cooperate with Obamanism, they thought that they could overburden the federal system and cause it to fail, giving them another excuse to repeal Obamacare.

Servers and IT support cost money, and not much was budgeted for the federal exchange because they originally thought that few, if any, states would willingly cede control of their exchanges to the federal government. Of course now that they have, the obvious solution would be to ask Congress for some additional funding to support the rollout of Obamacare. I'm sure they'll get right on that.
2013-10-06 01:02:25 PM  
2 votes:
I gotta say, whoever decided to use Windows Server should be taken out back and shot
2013-10-06 12:52:34 PM  
2 votes:
The entire week I've literally never NOT gotten the "we're experiencing overload please wait" message. It's not good.
2013-10-06 12:36:33 PM  
2 votes:

ekdikeo4: People fail to understand the difficulty involved with providing enough server capacity for something like that.  Especially considering that within a week or two, you won't need half or more of the capacity that you would've liked to have had at launch.  So, although it looks kind of bad at start, just like with GTA Online, traffic will eventually level out, and things will be "normal".


As much as I chuckle about 'the cloud' and SaaS, this is exactly the sort of problems those concepts are designed to overcome.
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-10-06 12:28:04 PM  
2 votes:

SauronWasFramed: We have to buy insurance by 12/15 or else. Else what? Whatif you don't pay the fine?



12/15 is like, tomorrow.  You are so screwed.
2013-10-06 12:21:14 PM  
2 votes:

ekdikeo4: People fail to understand the difficulty involved with providing enough server capacity for something like that.  Especially considering that within a week or two, you won't need half or more of the capacity that you would've liked to have had at launch.  So, although it looks kind of bad at start, just like with GTA Online, traffic will eventually level out, and things will be "normal".


Nonsense.  We need to scrap the whole thing and start over.  Preferably with a solution that involves poorhouses and debtor's prison.  Because soshulism.
2013-10-06 10:01:39 PM  
1 vote:

youmightberight: They force us at the barrel of a gun (make no mistake if not for the threat of armed guys taking away all my shiat I would not pay anything but consumer taxes) to buy something and then have the audacity to call it market demand.


What the fark are you on about?

"barrel of a gun"?  You do know that the ONLY means the IRS has to enforce the tax/penalty/fine whatever for not purchasing health insurance is to withhold future tax returns, right?  They can't even file a lien or any other collection tool.  Just note you owe it for when you eventually do get a tax refund, and send you angry letters griping that you need to pay them.  They explicitly cannot press any kind of charges or use any kind of physical force regarding this.

Or is this what Rush Limbaugh, Sarah Palin, Glen Beck and such have told you?
2013-10-06 07:37:48 PM  
1 vote:

Mouren: Would definitely sign up if the bill hadn't already extended the insurance from my parents until 26. No insurance company is going to cover a 21 year old with a preexisting brain tumor and lymphoma.
But of course, some people feel I deserve to eat shiat and die over things that can't be controlled than be able to survive without being hundreds of thousands in debt.


That was one fo the changes under the ACA.  Insurance companies cannot refuse you service.
2013-10-06 07:34:04 PM  
1 vote:

pedobearapproved: shtychkn: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: DamnYankees: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I'm not saying anything. I'm asking a question which so far no one has been able to answer.

If you're too poor, you get Medicaid. If you don't qualify for Medicaid because you make too much, you get subsidies to pay for insurance through the ACA. The less money you make, the bigger the subsidy.

Hah. That sounds great. Do you know what the subsidies are for a person making $35k/year?

Hint: not nearly enough to afford the mandated private insurance.

What $35k job doesn't offer health insurance?  Maybe its time you find a better employer?

Wasn't that the point of all this bulls**t?


The main part was extending Medicaid to those living above the poverty lien (13k/year).  Then changing the rules so insurance companies cant refuse to cover those that need insurance.  And then, yes, it also provided an Exchange so that their could be a market place so the Free Market can actually work ro drive prices down.
2013-10-06 07:31:49 PM  
1 vote:
I'm curious how many of the Obamacare fanboys that are defending this joke of a computer system have actually had to go and sign up?

My guess is:   zero.

Today is the 6th.  If this pathetic system is an example of what's to come with the system, it's an utter failure.  I don't care how you dress it up, that "it's new", "give it time", "see how popular it is, everyone wants it", blah, blah blah.

You want to implement a healthcare system for everyone?  Make sure it works.

I've tried for five days now.  It doesn't work.  It fails.  You want me to be patient?  Why?  Why put something out that doesn't work?

No, my guess is that none of you Obamacare supporters have to actually apply for it.  You all probably have your nice cushy insurance and all this complaining is just a big joke to you, since you don't have to even think about using it.

Well, you're right.  It is a joke.  A big pathetic joke.  I'd be curious how well those who wrote the software got paid.

/rant over
//flame away
2013-10-06 04:34:40 PM  
1 vote:

xmasbaby: revrendjim: This IT farkup was actually part of the Republican strategy. I remember the Teabagger arguments for not creatinga state-run exchange, and in addition to the obvious point of refusing to cooperate with Obamanism, they thought that they could overburden the federal system and cause it to fail, giving them another excuse to repeal Obamacare.

Servers and IT support cost money, and not much was budgeted for the federal exchange because they originally thought that few, if any, states would willingly cede control of their exchanges to the federal government. Of course now that they have, the obvious solution would be to ask Congress for some additional funding to support the rollout of Obamacare. I'm sure they'll get right on that.

Here in Hawaii, the Feds gave the state $203 million dollars to create the "Hawaii health exchange."   they immediately paid $54 million to a Virgina based company to create and run the website.  FIFTY FOUR MILLION DOLLARS.

So far, only two insurers have signed up for the Hawaii health exchange , and they have been unable to get their website to display prices, compare benefits and purchase plans.  The service offers consumers the opportunity to pay 2% more than if they just went to the company's own website.

The marketing director announced to the press:  "(The rates are) really not something that people need right now. "The feedback we got from the majority of people was they didn't want to see plans yet."

You can't blame the Republicans for this completely botched and tone deaf mess.

http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Hawaii-health-exchange-opens-with ou t-plan-specs-4859922.php


You understand that I was talking about the federal exchange, right? Hawaii has every right to fark up their own exchange, but that's a different subject.
2013-10-06 03:59:08 PM  
1 vote:

revrendjim: This IT farkup was actually part of the Republican strategy. I remember the Teabagger arguments for not creatinga state-run exchange, and in addition to the obvious point of refusing to cooperate with Obamanism, they thought that they could overburden the federal system and cause it to fail, giving them another excuse to repeal Obamacare.

Servers and IT support cost money, and not much was budgeted for the federal exchange because they originally thought that few, if any, states would willingly cede control of their exchanges to the federal government. Of course now that they have, the obvious solution would be to ask Congress for some additional funding to support the rollout of Obamacare. I'm sure they'll get right on that.


Here in Hawaii, the Feds gave the state $203 million dollars to create the "Hawaii health exchange."   they immediately paid $54 million to a Virgina based company to create and run the website.  FIFTY FOUR MILLION DOLLARS.

So far, only two insurers have signed up for the Hawaii health exchange , and they have been unable to get their website to display prices, compare benefits and purchase plans.  The service offers consumers the opportunity to pay 2% more than if they just went to the company's own website.

The marketing director announced to the press:  "(The rates are) really not something that people need right now. "The feedback we got from the majority of people was they didn't want to see plans yet."

You can't blame the Republicans for this completely botched and tone deaf mess.

http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Hawaii-health-exchange-opens-with ou t-plan-specs-4859922.php
2013-10-06 03:30:09 PM  
1 vote:

Fubini: Pick: I  sure don't understand the reason for fining folks for not getting healthcare. If they can't afford it, then you fine them, you set them back even further from getting it. Nice logic Obama.

People that destitute will get free or subsidized healthcare.


and if you can't out-of-pocket $290 a month for the bronze plan? It'd be one thing if they were handing you the money to spend on this, but it comes back on your taxes.
2013-10-06 03:21:20 PM  
1 vote:

rkiller1: TuteTibiImperes: If anything this just shows how wildly popular the ACA is, so while it's inconvenient, it's a good sign.

Popular? 366 signed-up (some have not paid) in Rhode Island and 373 applications in Connecticut. http://www.wpri.com/news/politics/state-politics/healthsource-ri-obam a care-sign-up-total-at-366-so-far

Page views != paid signups. Just ask Drew.


I have employer-provided health insurance but it's not a great plan. When it calms down, I'm going to look at what's available on the exchanges.

I'm not going to buy the first time I go on the site. I'm going to see what's available, do some math, talk to my spouse. I imagine I'm not the only one who wants to think about the options before making a purchase.
2013-10-06 03:18:19 PM  
1 vote:

Daniels: Fissile: Daniels: This is a function of there not being enough computer programmers to make the country function.  That isn't ACA's fault.  It's a failure of schools and colleges to turn out kids with relevant majors.

But keep getting those $200k history degrees, kids!

============

Huh?  I know dozens of IT people who are unemployed, or underemployed.  Despite this fact, most large IT companies refuse to hire any American IT people, instead preferring to play the H1-B visa game.

If you know unemployed or underemployed IT people, they're either not looking very hard, are convinced their PASCAL skills should be all they need, or they're unwilling to relocate.  Because there are several thousand programming jobs in NYC alone.  Places are hiring H1B's because they need bodies to fill the seats.


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Think so?  See here:  http://www.cringely.com/2013/07/18/so-thats-how-h-1b-visa-fraud-is-do n e/
2013-10-06 03:08:05 PM  
1 vote:

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: DamnYankees: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I'm not saying anything. I'm asking a question which so far no one has been able to answer.

If you're too poor, you get Medicaid. If you don't qualify for Medicaid because you make too much, you get subsidies to pay for insurance through the ACA. The less money you make, the bigger the subsidy.

Hah. That sounds great. Do you know what the subsidies are for a person making $35k/year?

Hint: not nearly enough to afford the mandated private insurance.


What $35k job doesn't offer health insurance?  Maybe its time you find a better employer?
2013-10-06 03:05:40 PM  
1 vote:

SauronWasFramed: I spent 3 days trying to create an account and was finally able to do so. Two days later, I still haven't been able to log in.

The Obamacare defenders dismiss the failures of the website forgetting :

We have to buy insurance by 12/15 or else. Else what? Whatif you don't pay the fine?

The government compared the failure to apples I phone. We aren't required to buy an iPhone

The insurance isn't affordable or free. If. However, I could log in, I would find out if the subsidy calculator estimate of $19000 with a $12000 out of pocket is accurate or not.


Couple of things:

1) You have months to get on and sign up for Healthcare..  Doesn't have to be today.

2) You can go to your States exchange if you want - you don't have to use the Federal Exchange.

3) You can get your healthcare from your JOb

4) You can find healthcare from insurance companies directly if you want.

So you have time and choices...


AS for paying the fine for not having insurance... That is tacked on your IRS income taxes.  So it will come out of your tax return.. eventually
2013-10-06 02:53:42 PM  
1 vote:

Daniels: This is a function of there not being enough computer programmers to make the country function.  That isn't ACA's fault.  It's a failure of schools and colleges to turn out kids with relevant majors.

But keep getting those $200k history degrees, kids!


============

Huh?  I know dozens of IT people who are unemployed, or underemployed.  Despite this fact, most large IT companies refuse to hire any American IT people, instead preferring to play the H1-B visa game.
2013-10-06 02:52:07 PM  
1 vote:

BumpInTheNight: As much as I chuckle about 'the cloud' and SaaS, this is exactly the sort of problems those concepts are designed to overcome.


I'm not sure that would have worked here, because if I remember correctly HIPPA regulations impose strict rules on how healthcare data can be stored.  It might be that none of the cloud providers could offer a compliant service.
2013-10-06 02:50:05 PM  
1 vote:

Dimensio: 12349876: iheartscotch: Here we are, 5 days later, and nobody has been able to even look at their options.

If by nobody, you mean the 13k Kentuckians who have applied and 6k who have enrolled then sure.

http://www.kentucky.com/2013/10/05/2861764/kentucky-emerges-as-key-p ol itical.html

The state's Democratic governor will likely face a serious re-election challenge from a Republican candidate who makes issue of Governor Beshear's willingness to enable poor people to receive affordable health coverage.

is term limited.  Gone in late 2015 and so far indicating he'll retire from politics.
2013-10-06 02:45:14 PM  
1 vote:
It's almost like millions of people were desperately trying to obtain healthcare at the same time. Imagine that. If there was enough capacity to handle a one-time peak that will never be repeated it would be decried as an example of government waste.

In other news the government is still shut down and the people responsible don't know what they hope to get out of it other than a paycheck.

i.imgur.com


i.imgur.com
2013-10-06 02:31:22 PM  
1 vote:

stirfrybry: 1% of income is not miniscule, moron. I guess you don't understand the words "which ever is greater".
Low information voter. You're one


It's only one percent if your income is 400% above poverty level. For a two-person household, that's 62,000 dollars. For a four-person household, that's 94,000 dollars. Below that, it slides between $95 and 1% (as you point out, whichever is greater). There are some families that are completely exempt.

Beyond that, you're just wrong. The average American household spends about 10% of their income on health insurance, and the penalty is (at most) 1%. It's far cheaper to take the penalty than it is to buy insurance. The only people who are buying insurance are the ones who want insurance. If you don't want or don't need insurance you're not going to eat the extra 90% of the cost just because you're already 10% of the way there.
2013-10-06 02:27:29 PM  
1 vote:
Well that's what you get when you outsource all the IT needs to the lowest bidder. You get what you pay for.
2013-10-06 02:18:32 PM  
1 vote:

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: someonelse: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Silverstaff: TuteTibiImperes: If anything this just shows how wildly popular the ACA is, so while it's inconvenient, it's a good sign.

The Republican Talking Point is that entire storm of traffic to the exchanges was almost entirely the media and Congressional offices, because everyday people are rejecting them en-masse.

Then again, these are the same people who thought Unskewed Polls were the "real" way that the 2012 election would turn out, that global warming is "junk science", and that the Iraqi people would cheer us and celebrate us as liberators and the post-war occupation would be quick and easy.  They aren't known for the best working relationship with facts.

So... How is a minimum wage worker supposed to afford these private health plans?

You're saying the subsidy for 100-400% of the poverty level isn't enough?

I'm not saying anything. I'm asking a question which so far no one has been able to answer.


http://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+will+poor+people+pay+for+obamacare
2013-10-06 02:14:49 PM  
1 vote:
I would be more impressed with Obamacare if Obama were the first one  sign up for it. Congress should have been the next 535 to sign up for it.
2013-10-06 02:09:05 PM  
1 vote:

DamnYankees: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I'm not saying anything. I'm asking a question which so far no one has been able to answer.

If you're too poor, you get Medicaid. If you don't qualify for Medicaid because you make too much, you get subsidies to pay for insurance through the ACA. The less money you make, the bigger the subsidy.


Hah. That sounds great. Do you know what the subsidies are for a person making $35k/year?

Hint: not nearly enough to afford the mandated private insurance.
2013-10-06 02:05:00 PM  
1 vote:

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Silverstaff: TuteTibiImperes: If anything this just shows how wildly popular the ACA is, so while it's inconvenient, it's a good sign.

The Republican Talking Point is that entire storm of traffic to the exchanges was almost entirely the media and Congressional offices, because everyday people are rejecting them en-masse.

Then again, these are the same people who thought Unskewed Polls were the "real" way that the 2012 election would turn out, that global warming is "junk science", and that the Iraqi people would cheer us and celebrate us as liberators and the post-war occupation would be quick and easy.  They aren't known for the best working relationship with facts.

So... How is a minimum wage worker supposed to afford these private health plans?


You're saying the subsidy for 100-400% of the poverty level isn't enough?
2013-10-06 01:57:58 PM  
1 vote:

stirfrybry: So you force people to join by threat of penalty, and this you call interest.


The penalty this year is miniscule. Given that, the current load really is a gauge of interest.
2013-10-06 01:56:50 PM  
1 vote:

PanicMan: And?  This is a fixable problem.

Plus if they did build up a huge infrastructure to handle the load perfectly from day one, people would be complaining it was overdesigned and too expensive.


yes, people often complain when things work too well.

The things you libtards tell yourself are hilarious
2013-10-06 01:53:32 PM  
1 vote:
No one thinks this is a giant DoS attack?
2013-10-06 01:48:51 PM  
1 vote:
The Obamacare website: the Simcity of our federal government.
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-10-06 01:01:41 PM  
1 vote:
I remember how long the lines were when Star Wars came out back in the 70's.  I don't know how well it did but it must have been a flop because there were lines.
2013-10-06 11:57:26 AM  
1 vote:
You'll get over it whinemitter
 
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