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(USA Today)   Healthcare.gov works great if you take away all those damn people wanting to sign up for it, says the Chief Technology Officer in charge of the site."These bugs were functions of volume,'' Park said. "Take away the volume and it works.''   (usatoday.com ) divider line
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2013-10-06 03:15:08 PM  

Infernalist: Benjimin_Dover: DamnYankees: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I'm not saying anything. I'm asking a question which so far no one has been able to answer.

If you're too poor, you get Medicaid. If you don't qualify for Medicaid because you make too much, you get subsidies to pay for insurance through the ACA. The less money you make, the bigger the subsidy.

I think you should clarify that answer. Every source I've seen so far says that these "subsidies" are not checks cut to either you or the insurance company. They are "tax credits" which a person would get when they submit a tax return. Here's a hint for you. The tax filer does get to chose where his tax credits go. It is immediately subtracted from the tax liability. So if after Uncle Sam takes his cut and there's not enough of that tax credit left to pay the premium, how does that person pay?

You really need to go wiki how this shiat works.  Expecting everyone else to educate you on the basics is humiliating.  Or it should be, at least.


Bottom line is most people who are currently employed without insurance still aren't going to be able to afford insurance. Heralding Obamacare as some sort of useful national healthcare system is what's humiliating. It it should be, at least.
 
2013-10-06 03:16:01 PM  

Fubini: iheartscotch: Fubini: iheartscotch: 6,000; out of a country of 300,000,000.... That's not even a .01 of 1%. Let's say, for the sake of argument, that 1/3 of Americans need to sign up for ACA. That's 100,000,000 Americans. At the rate of 6,000 a day; we'll need 16,666.67 days.

It's not out of 300 million, it's out of the pool of currently uninsured people who live in a state without a state exchange. The number of uninsured people in the US stands at about 45 million, I don't know how many live in states without state exchanges.

Ok, let's say that 20,000,000 Americans need to sign up for ACA and they live in states without exchanges. At 6,000 a day; we'd need 3,333.33 days.

Given that your numbers are from a state exchange, it still doesn't make sense. The federal exchange was designed for 60,000 concurrent users, and it doesn't take all day for one person to sign their family up for healthcare, so that multiple generations of clients can access the exchanges each day. Assume there are five generations, and you're looking at signing up 300,000 policies per day. Note that lots of policies will be written for more than one person, and that people could hypothetically be on the exchanges all day, but I'm just assuming that everyone tries to get on between 5:00PM and 9:00PM after work.

Also, bear in mind that the federal exchanges have released no numbers whatsoever, so both you and I are both engaging in wild-ass speculation.


I agree. I'm betting that everyone is trying to do the insurance thingy from 5pm to 9pm.

I realize that there would be a lot of families going in on one policy for everybody; I'm just fed up with the lack of any forethought with the execution.

They could have opened the exchanges 2 years ago; or they could have done it by last name ; or they could have scheduled everybody a time; or they could have put a rep down at the post office for people who can't use computers or can't afford Internet.
 
2013-10-06 03:16:21 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Infernalist: Benjimin_Dover: DamnYankees: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I'm not saying anything. I'm asking a question which so far no one has been able to answer.

If you're too poor, you get Medicaid. If you don't qualify for Medicaid because you make too much, you get subsidies to pay for insurance through the ACA. The less money you make, the bigger the subsidy.

I think you should clarify that answer. Every source I've seen so far says that these "subsidies" are not checks cut to either you or the insurance company. They are "tax credits" which a person would get when they submit a tax return. Here's a hint for you. The tax filer does get to chose where his tax credits go. It is immediately subtracted from the tax liability. So if after Uncle Sam takes his cut and there's not enough of that tax credit left to pay the premium, how does that person pay?

You really need to go wiki how this shiat works.  Expecting everyone else to educate you on the basics is humiliating.  Or it should be, at least.

Bottom line is most people who are currently employed without insurance still aren't going to be able to afford insurance. Heralding Obamacare as some sort of useful national healthcare system is what's humiliating. It it should be, at least.


lol stop being stupid.
 
2013-10-06 03:17:17 PM  
Shenanigans, I was told by the right-wing that the Obummercare was unpopular and nobody wanted it.
 
2013-10-06 03:18:17 PM  

saturn badger: But it's not their server structure. It is outsourced to a Canadian company. Same as the Amazon cloud but it says 'eh when it crashes.


In this case, "building" a website is not the same thing as "hosting and running it". I don't know who or where they're hosting it.

But, regardless of whether the government is leasing servers or they're running their own somewhere, both approaches are fundamentally different from a cloud-computing approach. The former centralizes data and processing in just a few physical locations, and communication between co-located servers doesn't need to be encrypted. In contrast, the assumption in cloud computing is that any server may live anywhere in the world. This requires a whole paradigm shift in terms of data protection, and all that protection takes a lot of compute time in terms of encryption and decryption.

Amazon loves it when you encrypt data that ends up getting streamed to another virtual server co-located on the same physical host. They get paid to do a bunch of useless processing.
 
2013-10-06 03:18:19 PM  

Daniels: Fissile: Daniels: This is a function of there not being enough computer programmers to make the country function.  That isn't ACA's fault.  It's a failure of schools and colleges to turn out kids with relevant majors.

But keep getting those $200k history degrees, kids!

============

Huh?  I know dozens of IT people who are unemployed, or underemployed.  Despite this fact, most large IT companies refuse to hire any American IT people, instead preferring to play the H1-B visa game.

If you know unemployed or underemployed IT people, they're either not looking very hard, are convinced their PASCAL skills should be all they need, or they're unwilling to relocate.  Because there are several thousand programming jobs in NYC alone.  Places are hiring H1B's because they need bodies to fill the seats.


============

Think so?  See here:  http://www.cringely.com/2013/07/18/so-thats-how-h-1b-visa-fraud-is-do n e/
 
2013-10-06 03:18:21 PM  
I  sure don't understand the reason for fining folks for not getting healthcare. If they can't afford it, then you fine them, you set them back even further from getting it. Nice logic Obama.
 
2013-10-06 03:20:22 PM  

Infernalist: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Infernalist: Benjimin_Dover: DamnYankees: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I'm not saying anything. I'm asking a question which so far no one has been able to answer.

If you're too poor, you get Medicaid. If you don't qualify for Medicaid because you make too much, you get subsidies to pay for insurance through the ACA. The less money you make, the bigger the subsidy.

I think you should clarify that answer. Every source I've seen so far says that these "subsidies" are not checks cut to either you or the insurance company. They are "tax credits" which a person would get when they submit a tax return. Here's a hint for you. The tax filer does get to chose where his tax credits go. It is immediately subtracted from the tax liability. So if after Uncle Sam takes his cut and there's not enough of that tax credit left to pay the premium, how does that person pay?

You really need to go wiki how this shiat works.  Expecting everyone else to educate you on the basics is humiliating.  Or it should be, at least.

Bottom line is most people who are currently employed without insurance still aren't going to be able to afford insurance. Heralding Obamacare as some sort of useful national healthcare system is what's humiliating. It it should be, at least.

lol stop being stupid.


You're right, sorry. They may be able to afford a policy. It's the deductible and the out-of-pocket costs that they won't be able to afford.

Oh well, there's always the ER!
 
2013-10-06 03:21:20 PM  

rkiller1: TuteTibiImperes: If anything this just shows how wildly popular the ACA is, so while it's inconvenient, it's a good sign.

Popular? 366 signed-up (some have not paid) in Rhode Island and 373 applications in Connecticut. http://www.wpri.com/news/politics/state-politics/healthsource-ri-obam a care-sign-up-total-at-366-so-far

Page views != paid signups. Just ask Drew.


I have employer-provided health insurance but it's not a great plan. When it calms down, I'm going to look at what's available on the exchanges.

I'm not going to buy the first time I go on the site. I'm going to see what's available, do some math, talk to my spouse. I imagine I'm not the only one who wants to think about the options before making a purchase.
 
2013-10-06 03:23:02 PM  
Take away the option to have any other form of insurance, and Obamacare works.

Take away all the Republicans, and the one-party government works.

Take away all the deniers, and AGW works.

Take away all the dissenters, and dictatorship works.

Take away all the wreckers, and socialism works.

Take away all the Jews, and the Third Reich works.
 
2013-10-06 03:24:05 PM  
i7.photobucket.com

So the weekend after they start the program, they are going to do maintenance? Because the weekend after the start would be a super unpopular time for people to look at the program
 
2013-10-06 03:25:39 PM  

Pick: I  sure don't understand the reason for fining folks for not getting healthcare. If they can't afford it, then you fine them, you set them back even further from getting it. Nice logic Obama.


People that destitute will get free or subsidized healthcare.
 
2013-10-06 03:30:09 PM  

Fubini: Pick: I  sure don't understand the reason for fining folks for not getting healthcare. If they can't afford it, then you fine them, you set them back even further from getting it. Nice logic Obama.

People that destitute will get free or subsidized healthcare.


and if you can't out-of-pocket $290 a month for the bronze plan? It'd be one thing if they were handing you the money to spend on this, but it comes back on your taxes.
 
2013-10-06 03:32:07 PM  

OhioUGrad: Never once had a problem all week creating an account. I only got the "server is down" once and that was after I had signed in and tried to finish the account. Signed in this morning with no wait time, no glitches or anything, and finished my account. The only problem I had is with verifying my identity which requires me to call them apparently (I'm sure that will be fun). But this gives people in the US something to whine about...if it wasn't this, it would be something else.


Started my account not long after this article popped up and so far it has been fairly easy. got about 5 minutes of a heavy load message then smooth sailing from there. Also a couple probs with the identity verification, as it apparently didn't like one of my answers or something. At first it said to call, which I didnt want to bother with so I skipped that part, finished the rest of the app. and went back, now it is asking me for a file with my ID attached. I tried uploading a passport pdf file which was 250kb and got a message saying that the file limit was 10mb and i couldn't upload it. LOL. I'll try again later. Took me all of a half hour tho.
 
2013-10-06 03:41:16 PM  

Fissile: Daniels: Fissile: Daniels: This is a function of there not being enough computer programmers to make the country function.  That isn't ACA's fault.  It's a failure of schools and colleges to turn out kids with relevant majors.

But keep getting those $200k history degrees, kids!

============

Huh?  I know dozens of IT people who are unemployed, or underemployed.  Despite this fact, most large IT companies refuse to hire any American IT people, instead preferring to play the H1-B visa game.

If you know unemployed or underemployed IT people, they're either not looking very hard, are convinced their PASCAL skills should be all they need, or they're unwilling to relocate.  Because there are several thousand programming jobs in NYC alone.  Places are hiring H1B's because they need bodies to fill the seats.

============

Think so?  See here:  http://www.cringely.com/2013/07/18/so-thats-how-h-1b-visa-fraud-is-do n e/


Yes, H1B fraud happens.  That doesn't make any point other than H1B fraud happens and certainly doesn't make the point that companies prefer H1Bs as candidates.

Here's what the H1B issue boils down to: If you ask someone to move from India to any American City, they will say yes almost 100% of the time.  That is not the case for US-based programmers who, in general, are less willing to relocate.  So, I can set up a code shop in Nowheresburg, South Dakota, and Indian programmers will happily go there, while US-based programmers, usually, will not.

sethen320: Daniels: This is a function of there not being enough computer programmers to make the country function.  That isn't ACA's fault.  It's a failure of schools and colleges to turn out kids with relevant majors.

But keep getting those $200k history degrees, kids!

I'm not really sure what you're arguing, but I'm with you.


I'm arguing that this massive programming project (which is what the exchanges are) was bound to failure because there aren't enough IT people in the US to make them, test them, and launch them in the time frame given.  The users (Obamacare enrolees) are basically the testers.  And unbelievably the number of programmers graduating college isn't increasing.
 
2013-10-06 03:46:04 PM  

ekdikeo4: People fail to understand the difficulty involved with providing enough server capacity for something like that.  Especially considering that within a week or two, you won't need half or more of the capacity that you would've liked to have had at launch.  So, although it looks kind of bad at start, just like with GTA Online, traffic will eventually level out, and things will be "normal".


They could have rolled it out state by state, that may have taken care of it.

It just goes to show that for all the screaming from the GOP that no one wanted Obamacare, plenty of people do want to be able to buy insurance who haven't been able to or are looking for cheaper options.

A friend of mine is super happy that she and her husband can now get something other than cobra which is ridiculously expensive.
 
2013-10-06 03:50:15 PM  

chasd00: This was my gut feeling. Its pretty inexcusable to not have proper capacity in place especially in this case when you knew exactly when to expect load.


It isn't that they didn't know when to expect the load, they underestimated how large that load would be. Something that happens all the time in the private sector.

Lee451: I would be more impressed with Obamacare if Obama were the first one  sign up for it. Congress should have been the next 535 to sign up for it.


Might I suggest you try to learn what something is before spouting bullshiat?
There is nothing to sign up for. You purchase private insurance, which is facilitated by the exchanges. You can get subsidies if your income is below a certain threshold (which ever member of Congress would be in excess of).

iheartscotch: 9 million a day? That's 3% of the population. We had 61 days from October 1st. Here we are, 5 days later, and nobody has been able to even look at their options. We'd need 33.33 days, at that rate, to get everybody signed up.

/ I know that not everyone needs to sign up; but, a bunch of people need to.


I love when people end their posts with "This post is entirely BS"
1) Households are what is relevant, not population. For example, the vast majority of the 60 million children under 15 (20% of the population) wont be going to the website, those not already covered will have parents doing so.
2) About 60% of people are covered by employer healthcare and most have no reason to visit.
3) Government provides healthcare to many Americans through VA, Tricare, Medicare
4) There are about 15% of Americans not covered by insurance and 10% that have private plans.

Assuming 25% of American households go through the exchanges, then you have a total of about 25 million. That would be less than 3 days at 9 million per day. Now you also have a large number of people just looking and people visiting multiple times. but it shows how utterly stupid counting every man, woman, and child in the US is.

Fubini: Beyond that, you're just wrong. The average American household spends about 10% of their income on health insurance, and the penalty is (at most) 1%. It's far cheaper to take the penalty than it is to buy insurance. The only people who are buying insurance are the ones who want insurance. If you don't want or don't need insurance you're not going to eat the extra 90% of the cost just because you're already 10% of the way there.


That is why the penalty escalates. In 2016 it will be $695 (for a single individual or $2085 for a family) or 2.5% of income. Still less than insurance, but a lot to spend to not receive a benefit.
 
2013-10-06 03:56:34 PM  
Love the 800 number on the page: 1-800-318-2596 - since there's no letter for 1 on the keypad, the number spells 1-800-farkYO(U).
 
2013-10-06 03:57:49 PM  
I'm sure that when Congress funded the IT infrastructure for this program that they made sure that it would be a complete success in very way.
 
2013-10-06 03:59:08 PM  

revrendjim: This IT farkup was actually part of the Republican strategy. I remember the Teabagger arguments for not creatinga state-run exchange, and in addition to the obvious point of refusing to cooperate with Obamanism, they thought that they could overburden the federal system and cause it to fail, giving them another excuse to repeal Obamacare.

Servers and IT support cost money, and not much was budgeted for the federal exchange because they originally thought that few, if any, states would willingly cede control of their exchanges to the federal government. Of course now that they have, the obvious solution would be to ask Congress for some additional funding to support the rollout of Obamacare. I'm sure they'll get right on that.


Here in Hawaii, the Feds gave the state $203 million dollars to create the "Hawaii health exchange."   they immediately paid $54 million to a Virgina based company to create and run the website.  FIFTY FOUR MILLION DOLLARS.

So far, only two insurers have signed up for the Hawaii health exchange , and they have been unable to get their website to display prices, compare benefits and purchase plans.  The service offers consumers the opportunity to pay 2% more than if they just went to the company's own website.

The marketing director announced to the press:  "(The rates are) really not something that people need right now. "The feedback we got from the majority of people was they didn't want to see plans yet."

You can't blame the Republicans for this completely botched and tone deaf mess.

http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Hawaii-health-exchange-opens-with ou t-plan-specs-4859922.php
 
2013-10-06 04:03:33 PM  

Daniels: Yes, H1B fraud happens. That doesn't make any point other than H1B fraud happens and certainly doesn't make the point that companies prefer H1Bs as candidates.

Here's what the H1B issue boils down to: If you ask someone to move from India to any American City, they will say yes almost 100% of the time. That is not the case for US-based programmers who, in general, are less willing to relocate. So, I can set up a code shop in Nowheresburg, South Dakota, and Indian programmers will happily go there, while US-based programmers, usually, will not.


=============

No Americans would be interested in working in Bumfark, Flyover?  How would you know?  American IT workers are shut out from the hiring process from the jump.  You didn't read the indictment, did you?  Those ads were placed on behalf of the IT companies as a pretext to demand H1-Bs from the feds.  The ads were written is a such a way as to ensure no American IT pros could possibly qualify.   They were not going consider any American IT workers, period.  This was not just a few IT companies either.

BTW, why set up a IT center in Bumfark, Flyover only to staff it exclusively with South Asians?  If you don't need the place to be near New York, or LA, why not just set up shop in India where the talent is?

Your rhetoric is typical Tea-Party/GOP/free market.  Big business games the system to squeeze labor, and you blame the victims.
 
2013-10-06 04:08:40 PM  
FTA -
"U.S. Chief Technology Officer Todd Park said the government expected HealthCare.gov to draw 50,000 to 60,000 simultaneous users, but instead it has drawn as many as 250,000 at a time since it launched Oct. 1."

"These bugs were functions of volume,'' Park said. "Take away the volume and it works.''


Perhaps you should consult Google or Facebook --- their sites seem to work just fine, regardless of the amount of traffic they get ( and it's a large multiple of visitors compared to 50,000 - 60,000 simultaneous users).
 
2013-10-06 04:09:03 PM  
I'm a programmer working for a governmental entity, so I'm really getting a kick out of these responses.
 
2013-10-06 04:13:33 PM  

Pick: I  sure don't understand the reason for fining folks for not getting healthcare. If they can't afford it, then you fine them, you set them back even further from getting it. Nice logic Obama.


Because ACA won't work unless you have enough young/healthy people in it to pay for the old/sick ones.  A bit like how SS works.  It works pretty much the way most government programs work - get one group of people to pay for benefits to another.
 
2013-10-06 04:22:16 PM  

PainInTheASP: ekdikeo4: People fail to understand the difficulty involved with providing enough server capacity for something like that.  Especially considering that within a week or two, you won't need half or more of the capacity that you would've liked to have had at launch.  So, although it looks kind of bad at start, just like with GTA Online, traffic will eventually level out, and things will be "normal".

Nonsense.  We need to scrap the whole thing and start over.  Preferably with a solution that involves poorhouses and debtor's prison.  Because soshulism.


Hmmmm... don't sign-up, get a fine. Don't pay the fine - go to jail.

Sounds a bit like debtor's prison to me.
 
2013-10-06 04:23:48 PM  

pedobearapproved: [i7.photobucket.com image 800x320]

So the weekend after they start the program, they are going to do maintenance? Because the weekend after the start would be a super unpopular time for people to look at the program


"Maintenance" is a catch-all term for...almost everything server-related, really.

/also, IE? Really?
 
2013-10-06 04:31:22 PM  

pedobearapproved: Fubini: Pick: I  sure don't understand the reason for fining folks for not getting healthcare. If they can't afford it, then you fine them, you set them back even further from getting it. Nice logic Obama.

People that destitute will get free or subsidized healthcare.

and if you can't out-of-pocket $290 a month for the bronze plan? It'd be one thing if they were handing you the money to spend on this, but it comes back on your taxes.


Wrong. If you choose to use your subsidy for your health insurance premiums then it goes directly to the insurance company and is subtracted from your portion of the bill. You never see it. I know this because I chose that option when the exchange finally worked for me.
 
2013-10-06 04:34:40 PM  

xmasbaby: revrendjim: This IT farkup was actually part of the Republican strategy. I remember the Teabagger arguments for not creatinga state-run exchange, and in addition to the obvious point of refusing to cooperate with Obamanism, they thought that they could overburden the federal system and cause it to fail, giving them another excuse to repeal Obamacare.

Servers and IT support cost money, and not much was budgeted for the federal exchange because they originally thought that few, if any, states would willingly cede control of their exchanges to the federal government. Of course now that they have, the obvious solution would be to ask Congress for some additional funding to support the rollout of Obamacare. I'm sure they'll get right on that.

Here in Hawaii, the Feds gave the state $203 million dollars to create the "Hawaii health exchange."   they immediately paid $54 million to a Virgina based company to create and run the website.  FIFTY FOUR MILLION DOLLARS.

So far, only two insurers have signed up for the Hawaii health exchange , and they have been unable to get their website to display prices, compare benefits and purchase plans.  The service offers consumers the opportunity to pay 2% more than if they just went to the company's own website.

The marketing director announced to the press:  "(The rates are) really not something that people need right now. "The feedback we got from the majority of people was they didn't want to see plans yet."

You can't blame the Republicans for this completely botched and tone deaf mess.

http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Hawaii-health-exchange-opens-with ou t-plan-specs-4859922.php


You understand that I was talking about the federal exchange, right? Hawaii has every right to fark up their own exchange, but that's a different subject.
 
2013-10-06 04:37:51 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Infernalist: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Infernalist: Benjimin_Dover: DamnYankees: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I'm not saying anything. I'm asking a question which so far no one has been able to answer.

If you're too poor, you get Medicaid. If you don't qualify for Medicaid because you make too much, you get subsidies to pay for insurance through the ACA. The less money you make, the bigger the subsidy.

I think you should clarify that answer. Every source I've seen so far says that these "subsidies" are not checks cut to either you or the insurance company. They are "tax credits" which a person would get when they submit a tax return. Here's a hint for you. The tax filer does get to chose where his tax credits go. It is immediately subtracted from the tax liability. So if after Uncle Sam takes his cut and there's not enough of that tax credit left to pay the premium, how does that person pay?

You really need to go wiki how this shiat works.  Expecting everyone else to educate you on the basics is humiliating.  Or it should be, at least.

Bottom line is most people who are currently employed without insurance still aren't going to be able to afford insurance. Heralding Obamacare as some sort of useful national healthcare system is what's humiliating. It it should be, at least.

lol stop being stupid.

You're right, sorry. They may be able to afford a policy. It's the deductible and the out-of-pocket costs that they won't be able to afford.

Oh well, there's always the ER!


It's okay... most of us accept that there's some freeloaders like you out there that refuse to play nice with everyone else. So yes, you so have the ER and you can pay the fine, and most of this country is alright with that.

Honestly, just because you're too uninformed to know how it works or too disingenuous to accept it, doesn't mean everyone feels the same. Definitely stay in Florida, you fit right in.
 
2013-10-06 04:44:55 PM  

Yeah_Right: PainInTheASP: ekdikeo4: People fail to understand the difficulty involved with providing enough server capacity for something like that.  Especially considering that within a week or two, you won't need half or more of the capacity that you would've liked to have had at launch.  So, although it looks kind of bad at start, just like with GTA Online, traffic will eventually level out, and things will be "normal".

Nonsense.  We need to scrap the whole thing and start over.  Preferably with a solution that involves poorhouses and debtor's prison.  Because soshulism.

Hmmmm... don't sign-up, get a fine. Don't pay the fine - go to jail.

Sounds a bit like debtor's prison to me.


No, the only enforcement action is to deduct from your tax refunds. The IRS can't even pursue normal enforcement action beyond that (e.g. liens and levies) apart sending you letters stating what you already know.
 
2013-10-06 04:46:30 PM  

Fissile: Daniels: Yes, H1B fraud happens. That doesn't make any point other than H1B fraud happens and certainly doesn't make the point that companies prefer H1Bs as candidates.

Here's what the H1B issue boils down to: If you ask someone to move from India to any American City, they will say yes almost 100% of the time. That is not the case for US-based programmers who, in general, are less willing to relocate. So, I can set up a code shop in Nowheresburg, South Dakota, and Indian programmers will happily go there, while US-based programmers, usually, will not.

=============

No Americans would be interested in working in Bumfark, Flyover?  How would you know?  American IT workers are shut out from the hiring process from the jump.  You didn't read the indictment, did you?  Those ads were placed on behalf of the IT companies as a pretext to demand H1-Bs from the feds.  The ads were written is a such a way as to ensure no American IT pros could possibly qualify.   They were not going consider any American IT workers, period.  This was not just a few IT companies either.

BTW, why set up a IT center in Bumfark, Flyover only to staff it exclusively with South Asians?  If you don't need the place to be near New York, or LA, why not just set up shop in India where the talent is?

Your rhetoric is typical Tea-Party/GOP/free market.  Big business games the system to squeeze labor, and you blame the victims.


No.  My rhetoric is what is actually happening in the industry.  Not everything is farking politics.

Your indictment is meaningless in making a general point about the IT Industry.  It means someone committed fraud and was caught.  It does not prove an industry-wide conspiracy to not hire American programmers.  Please note the important sentence from the article itself: . He could be innocent for all I know, but the crime, itself, is I think fairly common and worth understanding.The entire article is the author's conjecture about a crime which he thinks is common, but has no idea whether that's true or not.

The reasons to not open a code shop IN India is because it's a nightmare.  Your team works the opposite hours as you, they are difficult (if not impossible) to get a hold of because many of them don't have phones and are asleep while you're working, you need to find a competent supervisor willing to live in a third world country for an extended amount of time, and reviewing their work becomes a challenge because it's hard to set up a time to talk to them.  The lack of communication means requirements get translated poorly and test plans don't get written so you quite often get shiat code back.  And if you have a question, you can't get it answered until tomorrow.  It's awful, and anyone who's dealt with it knows it's awful.

I didn't once say Americans "refused" to move to the middle of nowhere for a job.  I said it's harder to get Americans to relocate within America.  Sometimes for good reasons like not wanting to uproot families.  Sometimes for stupid reasons like "I can't possibly live amongst people with different views than me."  Again, if I had a programming job in the middle of Texas and I offered it to you and an Indian on an H1B, he would probably say yes almost immediately, where you might say "Texas??? I can't live with Republicans!!!!  fark them!  Everything must be about politics all the time!!!"

If you think there's not a shortage of talent, look at mappedinny.com.  There are hundreds of IT jobs on that one website.  The median salary for a semi-experienced code monkey to write web code in the Northeast was $82k last I looked.  There is not a "fake" shortage of talent.  There is an actual, real shortage of talent.  And on top of that shortage of talent, Obamacare created 51 new gigantic coding projects in the Exchanges.
 
2013-10-06 04:46:33 PM  

Fubini: In contrast, the assumption in cloud computing is that any server may live anywhere in the world.


Every cloud services provider I've dealt with asks you to choose which geographic center you want your virtual server to be located in.  Remember, two of the benefits that cloud hosting makes available are geographic proximity (so your users can connect to an instance of your service that's physically closer to them, reducing data transfer times) and geographic redundancy (so if the power in the NYC data center goes out, you can keep running out of the San Francisco data center).

Sure, you can't guarantee that two virtual machines in the NYC cloud are on the same physical machine, in the same rack, or even in the same building, but that's a far cry from the idea that when you're on the cloud, the physical server could be in an indeterminate country, where indeterminate laws apply.

Amazon loves it when you encrypt data that ends up getting streamed to another virtual server co-located on the same physical host. They get paid to do a bunch of useless processing.

Amazon's not unlike any other IT infrastructure operator -- higher loads mean higher maintenance costs. They'd prefer that their customers pay for access to compute power, but not actually use it any more than necessary.
 
2013-10-06 05:12:36 PM  
This whole thing must be a joke. It has to be a joke.

I've tried to set up an account since the 1st with no luck. First two days I couldn't even get in. Then they let me get though the sign up pages only to say at the end that the site was too busy to let me go any further and to re sign up later. Here it is Sunday I still have no idea want if anything I can afford.

And the whole thing if you can't afford sign up for Medicaid well in AZ people with no children can't since 3 or 4 years ago.

Can't look for plans I MIGHT be able to afford, can't sign up for Medicaid because I have no kids. AND get penalized for not have something from the government by December.

And to anyone who thinks they are not going to get penalized the IRS to connected to it so when you file your tax return next year they'll add it on to your return.
 
2013-10-06 05:16:41 PM  
Would definitely sign up if the bill hadn't already extended the insurance from my parents until 26. No insurance company is going to cover a 21 year old with a preexisting brain tumor and lymphoma.
But of course, some people feel I deserve to eat shiat and die over things that can't be controlled than be able to survive without being hundreds of thousands in debt.
 
2013-10-06 05:31:27 PM  

LV426: This whole thing must be a joke. It has to be a joke.

I've tried to set up an account since the 1st with no luck. First two days I couldn't even get in. Then they let me get though the sign up pages only to say at the end that the site was too busy to let me go any further and to re sign up later. Here it is Sunday I still have no idea want if anything I can afford.

And the whole thing if you can't afford sign up for Medicaid well in AZ people with no children can't since 3 or 4 years ago.

Can't look for plans I MIGHT be able to afford, can't sign up for Medicaid because I have no kids. AND get penalized for not have something from the government by December.

And to anyone who thinks they are not going to get penalized the IRS to connected to it so when you file your tax return next year they'll add it on to your return.


Try between like 2 am and 7am.  That's probably your best bet.
 
2013-10-06 06:05:26 PM  

CujoQuarrel: OhioUGrad: Never once had a problem all week creating an account. I only got the "server is down" once and that was after I had signed in and tried to finish the account. Signed in this morning with no wait time, no glitches or anything, and finished my account. The only problem I had is with verifying my identity which requires me to call them apparently (I'm sure that will be fun). But this gives people in the US something to whine about...if it wasn't this, it would be something else.

For me it always dies at setting up the security questions. It refused to believe that I didn't use the same entry for each of the three questions (I didn't). How could that be a server load issue?


Seems like a lot of different people are having all different issues. Maybe it depends on which state you live in since you have to select that on the main page before you try and set up an account?
 
2013-10-06 06:07:35 PM  

ruetheday69: OhioUGrad: Never once had a problem all week creating an account. I only got the "server is down" once and that was after I had signed in and tried to finish the account. Signed in this morning with no wait time, no glitches or anything, and finished my account. The only problem I had is with verifying my identity which requires me to call them apparently (I'm sure that will be fun). But this gives people in the US something to whine about...if it wasn't this, it would be something else.

Started my account not long after this article popped up and so far it has been fairly easy. got about 5 minutes of a heavy load message then smooth sailing from there. Also a couple probs with the identity verification, as it apparently didn't like one of my answers or something. At first it said to call, which I didnt want to bother with so I skipped that part, finished the rest of the app. and went back, now it is asking me for a file with my ID attached. I tried uploading a passport pdf file which was 250kb and got a message saying that the file limit was 10mb and i couldn't upload it. LOL. I'll try again later. Took me all of a half hour tho.


I saw that you could try and verify online like that, but I am thinking it may be easier to call. I'll probably try to verify online again later and if that doesn't work, I'll try and call tomorrow during the day.
 
2013-10-06 06:07:47 PM  

quiotu: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Infernalist: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Infernalist: Benjimin_Dover: DamnYankees: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I'm not saying anything. I'm asking a question which so far no one has been able to answer.

If you're too poor, you get Medicaid. If you don't qualify for Medicaid because you make too much, you get subsidies to pay for insurance through the ACA. The less money you make, the bigger the subsidy.

I think you should clarify that answer. Every source I've seen so far says that these "subsidies" are not checks cut to either you or the insurance company. They are "tax credits" which a person would get when they submit a tax return. Here's a hint for you. The tax filer does get to chose where his tax credits go. It is immediately subtracted from the tax liability. So if after Uncle Sam takes his cut and there's not enough of that tax credit left to pay the premium, how does that person pay?

You really need to go wiki how this shiat works.  Expecting everyone else to educate you on the basics is humiliating.  Or it should be, at least.

Bottom line is most people who are currently employed without insurance still aren't going to be able to afford insurance. Heralding Obamacare as some sort of useful national healthcare system is what's humiliating. It it should be, at least.

lol stop being stupid.

You're right, sorry. They may be able to afford a policy. It's the deductible and the out-of-pocket costs that they won't be able to afford.

Oh well, there's always the ER!

It's okay... most of us accept that there's some freeloaders like you out there that refuse to play nice with everyone else. So yes, you so have the ER and you can pay the fine, and most of this country is alright with that.

Honestly, just because you're too uninformed to know how it works or too disingenuous to accept it, doesn't mean everyone feels the same. Definitely stay in Florida, you fit right in.


I'm not speaking for myself, but the millions of low wage workers who are still priced out of the insurance market because we don't have a real public option.
 
2013-10-06 07:03:15 PM  
The solution is to rub out a large portion of the qualifying population.  They can create a news agency to do this and name It something spiffy like The Rubbies.
 
2013-10-06 07:31:49 PM  
I'm curious how many of the Obamacare fanboys that are defending this joke of a computer system have actually had to go and sign up?

My guess is:   zero.

Today is the 6th.  If this pathetic system is an example of what's to come with the system, it's an utter failure.  I don't care how you dress it up, that "it's new", "give it time", "see how popular it is, everyone wants it", blah, blah blah.

You want to implement a healthcare system for everyone?  Make sure it works.

I've tried for five days now.  It doesn't work.  It fails.  You want me to be patient?  Why?  Why put something out that doesn't work?

No, my guess is that none of you Obamacare supporters have to actually apply for it.  You all probably have your nice cushy insurance and all this complaining is just a big joke to you, since you don't have to even think about using it.

Well, you're right.  It is a joke.  A big pathetic joke.  I'd be curious how well those who wrote the software got paid.

/rant over
//flame away
 
2013-10-06 07:34:04 PM  

pedobearapproved: shtychkn: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: DamnYankees: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I'm not saying anything. I'm asking a question which so far no one has been able to answer.

If you're too poor, you get Medicaid. If you don't qualify for Medicaid because you make too much, you get subsidies to pay for insurance through the ACA. The less money you make, the bigger the subsidy.

Hah. That sounds great. Do you know what the subsidies are for a person making $35k/year?

Hint: not nearly enough to afford the mandated private insurance.

What $35k job doesn't offer health insurance?  Maybe its time you find a better employer?

Wasn't that the point of all this bulls**t?


The main part was extending Medicaid to those living above the poverty lien (13k/year).  Then changing the rules so insurance companies cant refuse to cover those that need insurance.  And then, yes, it also provided an Exchange so that their could be a market place so the Free Market can actually work ro drive prices down.
 
2013-10-06 07:35:57 PM  

Pick: I  sure don't understand the reason for fining folks for not getting healthcare. If they can't afford it, then you fine them, you set them back even further from getting it. Nice logic Obama.


Because if you can't afford it, then there are systems in place to help you. If you don't qualify for those systems, then you CAN afford it but choose not to.
 
2013-10-06 07:37:48 PM  

Mouren: Would definitely sign up if the bill hadn't already extended the insurance from my parents until 26. No insurance company is going to cover a 21 year old with a preexisting brain tumor and lymphoma.
But of course, some people feel I deserve to eat shiat and die over things that can't be controlled than be able to survive without being hundreds of thousands in debt.


That was one fo the changes under the ACA.  Insurance companies cannot refuse you service.
 
2013-10-06 08:02:35 PM  

Mouren: Would definitely sign up if the bill hadn't already extended the insurance from my parents until 26. No insurance company is going to cover a 21 year old with a preexisting brain tumor and lymphoma.
But of course, some people feel I deserve to eat shiat and die over things that can't be controlled than be able to survive without being hundreds of thousands in debt.


You haven't been paying attention, have you?

They will cover you now.  Part of the ACA is that health insurance cannot be denied on grounds of pre-existing conditions anymore.
 
2013-10-06 08:19:32 PM  

Daniels: Fissile: Daniels: Fissile: Daniels: This is a function of there not being enough computer programmers to make the country function.  That isn't ACA's fault.  It's a failure of schools and colleges to turn out kids with relevant majors.

But keep getting those $200k history degrees, kids!

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Huh?  I know dozens of IT people who are unemployed, or underemployed.  Despite this fact, most large IT companies refuse to hire any American IT people, instead preferring to play the H1-B visa game.

If you know unemployed or underemployed IT people, they're either not looking very hard, are convinced their PASCAL skills should be all they need, or they're unwilling to relocate.  Because there are several thousand programming jobs in NYC alone.  Places are hiring H1B's because they need bodies to fill the seats.

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Think so?  See here:  http://www.cringely.com/2013/07/18/so-thats-how-h-1b-visa-fraud-is-do n e/

Yes, H1B fraud happens.  That doesn't make any point other than H1B fraud happens and certainly doesn't make the point that companies prefer H1Bs as candidates.

Here's what the H1B issue boils down to: If you ask someone to move from India to any American City, they will say yes almost 100% of the time.  That is not the case for US-based programmers who, in general, are less willing to relocate.  So, I can set up a code shop in Nowheresburg, South Dakota, and Indian programmers will happily go there, while US-based programmers, usually, will not.

sethen320: Daniels: This is a function of there not being enough computer programmers to make the country function.  That isn't ACA's fault.  It's a failure of schools and colleges to turn out kids with relevant majors.

But keep getting those $200k history degrees, kids!

I'm not really sure what you're arguing, but I'm with you.

I'm arguing that this massive programming project (which is what the exchanges are) was bound to failure because there aren't enough IT people in the US to make them, test them, and launch them in the time frame given.  The users (Obamacare enrolees) are basically the testers.  And unbelievably the number of programmers graduating college isn't increasing.


Ah.. didn't realize we are in short suppluy
Didn't graduate college though either.
 
2013-10-06 08:32:17 PM  
In threads about stuff like voter registration, obtaining ID, access to clinics etc, there'll often be an argument about how negatively inconvenience can impact on the average low-paid worker already busy running from job to job. I imagine a similar thing applies here - there are plenty of people out there who don't have lots of free time or easy access to the internet to whom a poorly functioning system would present a significant obstacle. It really did need to be implemented better.
 
2013-10-06 08:38:17 PM  

stirfrybry: TuteTibiImperes: If anything this just shows how wildly popular the ACA is, so while it's inconvenient, it's a good sign.

So you force people to join by threat of penalty, and this you call interest.

LOL you liberals are farked in the head


This.

They force us at the barrel of a gun (make no mistake if not for the threat of armed guys taking away all my shiat I would not pay anything but consumer taxes)
to buy something and then have the audacity to call it market demand.

farked in the head doesn't cover that level of batshiat crazy.
 
2013-10-06 08:55:50 PM  

The Numbers: In threads about stuff like voter registration, obtaining ID, access to clinics etc, there'll often be an argument about how negatively inconvenience can impact on the average low-paid worker already busy running from job to job. I imagine a similar thing applies here - there are plenty of people out there who don't have lots of free time or easy access to the internet to whom a poorly functioning system would present a significant obstacle. It really did need to be implemented better.


States have their own exchanges as well as the National Exchange.  Major problem is that some states (like Florida) are purposely attempting to hide the exchange and access to Medicaid cause well, people getting healthcare would be such a bad thing.
 
2013-10-06 09:23:53 PM  

JohnAnnArbor: Or not, actually.


Another example of government incompetence--the private sector never produces bloated websites that insist on loading a bunch of crap onto your computer before they will let you buy their product.
 
2013-10-06 09:47:40 PM  

Infernalist: Benjimin_Dover: ekdikeo4: People fail to understand the difficulty involved with providing enough server capacity for something like that.  Especially considering that within a week or two, you won't need half or more of the capacity that you would've liked to have had at launch.  So, although it looks kind of bad at start, just like with GTA Online, traffic will eventually level out, and things will be "normal".

Any rational person would have launched the site a month or months before day that people were going to start having to sign up. Get the bugs out before. It's not like they haven't had a few years of knowing this date was coming.

Massive new programs are going to have bugs, glitches and problems.  Anyone thinking otherwise is retarded.

Opening the website months ago would have only tested the ability of the website to function with no traffic on it.  The problem comes from the flood of traffic, not the website itself.


You mean the flood of traffic trying to create accounts?  That could have been done prior to the opening day of signing up.
 
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