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(Mirror.co.uk)   This month's announcement of 100 lost Doctor Who episodes recovered comes from Ethiopia. "About that..." follow-up article seen warming up in the wings   (mirror.co.uk) divider line 10
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2013-10-06 09:39:43 AM  
3 votes:

No Such Agency: I've never had much luck watching early Doctor Who, but its sad that penny-pinching bureaucrats ordinary people mindlessly destroyed recycled materials following standard procedures important parts of British culture ephemeral records of a minor TV show that seems a lot more important in hindsight just to save a few pounds to stay within budget, at a time when much television was broadcast live and is lost anyway and recordings were routinely recycled. If they still exist, it's like finding a stack of Rembrandt sketches Rembrandt's cocktail napkins, not intrinsically very interesting and valuable only as a marker of time past in a trunk in your grandma's attic.


FTFY.

Seriously, you sound like somebody who hasn't actually seen much early Doctor Who. Those of us that were actually there and are honest with ourselves acknowledge that it's not actually very good. In its earliest days it was a driver of some minor effects innovation such as the banishing Tardis and the Radiophonic Workshop; and it created some iconic childhood fears (Daleks and Cybermen); but the longer it dragged on, the less forgivable the cheap sets and cheesy acting became. It was a children's show whose most enduring legacy was that it created a generation of adults with enough fond memories to support the modern incarnation of the show. There's nothing important or cultural about the actual content of those tapes. I'd be far more excited if somebody discovered that early Tardis sets or Daleks had survived.

And besides, even if everything you said were true -- and it isn't -- it would be disingenuous revisionism at best to castigate the BBC employees who simply did what was routinely done with light entertainment at the time. It's not like they lost the moon landings, or recycled the Elgin Marbles into kitchen countertops.
2013-10-06 03:33:52 PM  
2 votes:

DemonEater: dionysusaur: True? That shifts my Favorite Python from Michael Palin to Eric Idle. Still don't think I'd like to hang with Eric, but that was a class move that scores him a truckload or respect.

Actually I misremembered.

It was Terry Gilliam.


It was GIlliam because -as an animator- he'd gotten to know people in the BBC techinical and special effects departments.  He bought them new tapes, took the old ones (with the Python master on them) home, put them in the attic and forgot about them.

Until a couple years later, when the BBC came looking for them.  The end result is that the Pythons own their own TV show, something which was unheard of until much more recently (Lucy notwithstanding).
2013-10-06 12:50:55 PM  
2 votes:

czetie: And besides, even if everything you said were true -- and it isn't -- it would be disingenuous revisionism at best to castigate the BBC employees who simply did what was routinely done with light entertainment at the time. It's not like they lost the moon landings, or recycled the Elgin Marbles into kitchen countertops.


The only reason they didn't do the same to Monty Python's Flying Circus is that Eric Idle made them sell him the tapes and bought them new ones to use.  That would have been a sad loss.
2013-10-06 02:52:33 PM  
1 votes:

dionysusaur: True? That shifts my Favorite Python from Michael Palin to Eric Idle. Still don't think I'd like to hang with Eric, but that was a class move that scores him a truckload or respect.


Actually I misremembered.

It was Terry Gilliam.
2013-10-06 01:55:47 PM  
1 votes:
Cerebral Knievel:
they actually do have all the drawings. what they dont have is the technical background and revision notes. all those rockets were custum, hand fabricated pieces of machinery. that's why they need to reverse engineer everything. all the electronics were hand made componant boards, there were no IC's back then. everything was electro-mechanical

Actually, the Apollo guidance computer was the first to use ICs. Two NAND gates per chip!
2013-10-06 01:24:41 PM  
1 votes:

Jim_Callahan: No Such Agency: I've never had much luck watching early Doctor Who, but its sad that penny-pinching bureaucrats mindlessly destroyed important parts of British culture just to save a few pounds.

Man, the UK really needs to consider becoming relevant to history in an actual real way at some point.

I mention this because the US has something similar that we're upset about, except in our case the lost documents are the design documents for a bunch of real, functioning space-ships, not an imaginary one.


they actually do have all the drawings. what they dont have is the technical background and revision notes. all those rockets were custum, hand fabricated pieces of machinery. that's why they need to reverse engineer everything. all the electronics were hand made componant boards, there were no IC's back then. everything was electro-mechanical
2013-10-06 12:29:25 PM  
1 votes:
czetie:

All fair points but I think it's odd that a national broadcaster felt that the programming they were producing was essentially "throwaway".  I guess growing up with the CBC and its mandate to produce quality programming that reflects and enriches Canadian culture (whether or not it succeeds is of course debatable), I just assumed the Beeb had similar ideas.

Your best point is of course about hindsight, it's always the clearest form of sight.
2013-10-06 11:00:17 AM  
1 votes:

czetie: No Such Agency: I've never had much luck watching early Doctor Who, but its sad that penny-pinching bureaucrats ordinary people mindlessly destroyed recycled materials following standard procedures important parts of British culture ephemeral records of a minor TV show that seems a lot more important in hindsight just to save a few pounds to stay within budget, at a time when much television was broadcast live and is lost anyway and recordings were routinely recycled. If they still exist, it's like finding a stack of Rembrandt sketches Rembrandt's cocktail napkins, not intrinsically very interesting and valuable only as a marker of time past in a trunk in your grandma's attic.

FTFY.

Seriously, you sound like somebody who hasn't actually seen much early Doctor Who. Those of us that were actually there and are honest with ourselves acknowledge that it's not actually very good. In its earliest days it was a driver of some minor effects innovation such as the banishing Tardis and the Radiophonic Workshop; and it created some iconic childhood fears (Daleks and Cybermen); but the longer it dragged on, the less forgivable the cheap sets and cheesy acting became. It was a children's show whose most enduring legacy was that it created a generation of adults with enough fond memories to support the modern incarnation of the show. There's nothing important or cultural about the actual content of those tapes. I'd be far more excited if somebody discovered that early Tardis sets or Daleks had survived.

And besides, even if everything you said were true -- and it isn't -- it would be disingenuous revisionism at best to castigate the BBC employees who simply did what was routinely done with light entertainment at the time. It's not like they lost the moon landings, or recycled the Elgin Marbles into kitchen countertops.


You sir, just have no taste.
2013-10-06 08:57:22 AM  
1 votes:
AngryDragon:
Were they found with the Ark of the Covenant?

Man, those guys are running the longest con ever short of, you know, religion in general.  "We have the Hebrews' G_d-powered super-weapon stored in our temple!  No you can't see it".

I really hope this report is true.  I've never had much luck watching early Doctor Who, but its sad that penny-pinching bureaucrats mindlessly destroyed important parts of British culture just to save a few pounds.  If they still exist, it's like finding a stack of Rembrandt sketches in a trunk in your grandma's attic.
2013-10-06 08:20:40 AM  
1 votes:
The Master had them all destroyed
 
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